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| 00:21:02 | ZincAlloy1 | the bigger the album art, the sooner playback stops.. |
| 00:21:37 | [Franklin] | what> |
| 00:21:39 | [Franklin] | ? |
| 00:21:56 | ZincAlloy1 | on rockbox for android |
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| 00:37:41 | [Franklin] | what happens? |
| 00:39:21 | ZincAlloy1 | when album art is loaded and I play a song, it stops after a certain time |
| 00:39:36 | [Franklin] | ah |
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| 00:43:48 | ZincAlloy1 | more album art oddness. a couple of covers that worked at 500x500px don't load at 570x570 |
| 00:45:11 | ZincAlloy1 | while I had a couple syntax errors when I switched album art sizes I opened these. maybe that broke them? they still work when I try the SD card in my clip zip |
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| 00:48:47 | ZincAlloy1 | ah. they, still load at 500x500. |
| 00:50:20 | [Franklin] | ZincAlloy1, this whole thing is weird... |
| 00:51:35 | ploco | ZincAlloy1: sounds like out of buffer. check system>rockbox info> buffer while playing music |
| 00:52:16 | ZincAlloy1 | buffer: 469kb |
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| 00:55:49 | ploco | might need to build with MEMORYSIZE 24 or 32 (in Makefile) to smooth playback. |
| 00:56:08 | ploco | *for smooth playback |
| 00:56:26 | ZincAlloy1 | I see. I've been simply using rasher's builds so far.. |
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| 01:00:41 | ploco | that build has default MEMORYSIZE=8, a tiny 8mb that even a 720x1280 backdrop would use up almost half of the buffer |
| 01:01:01 | ZincAlloy1 | aha! |
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| 01:02:11 | ZincAlloy1 | not suitable for a little eye candy then |
| 01:04:02 | ploco | its very hard to make a theme for 720p and 1080p without increase the memorysize |
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| 01:18:36 | ZincAlloy1 | why is the default memory size for these so small then? |
| 01:19:19 | ploco | I guess back then 320x480 was the mainstream. |
| 01:21:00 | ZincAlloy1 | for small targets it probably needs to be that small |
| 01:21:32 | ZincAlloy1 | never ran into any buffer issues with themes before |
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| 01:28:41 | ploco | can consider you as the lucky one? I run out of buffer all the time. always try to draw on the backdrop layer. |
| 01:28:54 | ZincAlloy1 | ^^ |
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| 01:32:07 | ZincAlloy1 | [Saint], do you know how to activate absolute point mode in a wps? |
| 01:32:43 | [Saint] | ZincAlloy1: it needs to have at least one touch area. |
| 01:32:59 | ZincAlloy1 | aha! so I've been messing that one up |
| 01:33:26 | [Saint] | Without at least one touch area, absolute point won't actually be able to _do_ anything. |
| 01:33:36 | ZincAlloy1 | right |
| 01:33:55 | ZincAlloy1 | I've been trying to make the progress bar a touch area |
| 01:34:10 | [Saint] | But, unless the theme specifically disables touch areas, or you're using a fucking _ancient_ binary, a progressbar should be creating its own touch areas. |
| 01:34:25 | [Saint] | In fact, any bar should automagically create its own touch area. |
| 01:34:49 | [Saint] | You shouldn't need to do anything to make a progressbar a touch area. |
| 01:34:59 | [Saint] | It should "Just Work". |
| 01:35:04 | ZincAlloy1 | oh? interesting |
| 01:35:11 | ZincAlloy1 | I still have that 3x3 grid |
| 01:35:16 | [Saint] | (unless you pass the notouch tuple in bar params) |
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| 01:35:47 | ploco | [Saint]: will you accept a patch that make all android MEMORYSIZE=32 ? |
| 01:36:31 | [Saint] | ploco: there's really no point in doing so - unless you can demonstrate a reliable fail case. |
| 01:36:44 | [Saint] | Disk access on these targets is essentially free. |
| 01:36:51 | [Saint] | No reason to expand it really. |
| 01:37:46 | ploco | I can provide one of my theme to test on default 8mb build and 32mb build |
| 01:38:21 | ZincAlloy1 | Or is there a workaround? |
| 01:38:36 | [Saint] | If your theme is using enough resources to completely deplete an 8MB buffer...you're quite probably "Doing It Wrong(TM)". |
| 01:38:52 | [Franklin] | [Saint], bitmaps can get quite big |
| 01:39:07 | [Saint] | No shit sherlock. |
| 01:39:34 | [Franklin] | 8MB, /UNCOMPRESSED/ bitmaps are even bigger |
| 01:40:48 | ploco | http://pan.baidu.com/s/1i3iPjb3 << this surely will eat up all 8mb. draw on the whole backdrop in wps |
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| 01:41:24 | [Franklin] | 9.2 meg, zipped |
| 01:41:34 | [Franklin] | so yeah, definitely |
| 01:41:48 | [Saint] | You're likely counting fonts in there too, erroneously. |
| 01:42:02 | * | [Franklin] hasn't downloaded yet |
| 01:42:09 | [Saint] | We don't preload all glyphs. |
| 01:42:13 | [Saint] | Only 200 of them. |
| 01:42:15 | ZincAlloy1 | the backdrops for my theme are 2.8MB earch. Once the cover art comes it things go horribly, horribly wrong |
| 01:44:04 | ZincAlloy1 | I guess I could make it much smaller. but then it would need plenty of files, making a simple theme more complicated than it needs to be |
| 01:44:24 | [Saint] | The absolute worst case scenario for a 1280x1024 bitmap with an alpha channel is 3.9MB, and that still leaves ~4MB for everything else. |
| 01:44:42 | [Saint] | For the present, I don't think there's any need to increase the buffer. |
| 01:44:48 | [Saint] | At least, not to 32MB. |
| 01:44:51 | [Franklin] | but two of them... |
| 01:45:02 | [Saint] | You're an idiot. |
| 01:45:26 | [Saint] | Why would there be two backdrops in the buffer at any one point in time? |
| 01:45:36 | [Saint] | We can only display one. |
| 01:46:01 | ZincAlloy1 | a backdrop plus cover art will cause issues |
| 01:46:02 | [Franklin] | no... backdrop, album art... duh! |
| 01:47:00 | [Franklin] | ah sorry, I didn't make it clear |
| 01:47:02 | [Saint] | Uuuugh - who uses bitmap AA? |
| 01:47:09 | ZincAlloy1 | I use jpg |
| 01:47:24 | [Franklin] | good |
| 01:47:41 | [Franklin] | but Rockbox still stores it uncompressed in RAM, right? |
| 01:47:42 | ZincAlloy1 | still have many tiny bmp cover arts left from back in the day when rockbox didn't support jpg cover art :D |
| 01:47:43 | ploco | theres two layer, top and backdrop, it double the needs |
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| 01:49:46 | [Saint] | Well, if we assume .jpg, and fullscreen album art, and keeping with our 1280x1024 scenario, we're still talking....what, ~500kB? |
| 01:50:18 | [Saint] | If one were to be using fullscreen bitmap AA, then then could be problematic I guess. |
| 01:50:25 | [Saint] | *then that |
| 01:50:41 | [Franklin] | [Saint], I'd think that Rockbox would still store it in raw bitmap format internally. Please correct (nicely) me if I'm wrong. |
| 01:50:45 | [Saint] | Either way - I think 32MB is pretty bloody ridiculous. |
| 01:51:15 | [Saint] | 16 would be ample. |
| 01:51:43 | [Franklin] | so it doesn't matter what the compressed size is, right? |
| 01:51:44 | [Saint] | (unless we're talking fullscreen bitmaps on RaaA hosted on a 4K television or so...) |
| 01:51:53 | [Franklin] | haha |
| 01:52:51 | ZincAlloy1 | A 720x1280 backdrop and 500x500px album art already cause issues for me. my mp3s stop after around 19 seconds |
| 01:53:12 | ploco | I wouldn't be so sure 16mb is enough when we have to build targets 1080x1920 these days |
| 01:53:15 | ZincAlloy1 | under 5 seconds with 570x570 |
| 01:53:20 | [Saint] | Jeesus Christ...what are these themes doing? |
| 01:53:31 | [Franklin] | LOL |
| 01:53:45 | [Saint] | My 720x1280 theme uses around 4MB |
| 01:54:00 | ZincAlloy1 | It was hardly doing anything |
| 01:54:16 | [Franklin] | BTW, I'd say G#950 is Git-quality now |
| 01:54:18 | * | [Saint] boggles |
| 01:54:20 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #950 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/950 : FS #9583 - periodic table by Franklin Wei |
| 01:54:23 | [Franklin] | Even works on c200 |
| 01:54:23 | ZincAlloy1 | shall I share my work in progress with you? |
| 01:56:03 | [Saint] | We should /probably/ have ifdefed buffer allocations for hosted targets. |
| 01:56:27 | [Saint] | Allocating 32MB of static buffer to RaaA on, for example, a 240x320 target... |
| 01:57:06 | [Saint] | Some of those devices only have ~512MB or less for the system in total. |
| 01:57:19 | [Saint] | Allocating 32MB would probably cause Android to kill it. |
| 01:57:44 | [Saint] | Or, lots of other background tasks, depending on how the host operates. |
| 01:58:11 | [Saint] | Some will kill the allocating task, others will kill off everything else to try to accomodate the allocating task. |
| 01:58:36 | ploco | RCC has a script in configure , allocate different buffer size based on target resolution. I can try to extract that if needed |
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| 02:00:16 | ZincAlloy1 | [Saint]: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63855956/rockdroid.zip |
| 02:00:48 | [Saint] | Something along the lines of "worst case scenario fullscreen ARGB bitmap" X 4, or so, would likely be sufficient for all targets. |
| 02:01:33 | [Saint] | That would almost certainly allow for the buffer to be reduced on some targets. |
| 02:04:08 | ploco | https://github.com/Rockbox-Chinese-Community/Rockbox-RCC/blob/lab-general/tools/configure line 3394, only applys to android |
| 02:11:58 | chrisb | which platforms besides sansa are still in production? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide |
| 02:12:15 | [Franklin] | latest ipod classic |
| 02:12:20 | [Franklin] | but that's just overstock |
| 02:12:22 | [Saint] | iPod Classic |
| 02:12:34 | [Saint] | [Franklin]: no - its still in active production. |
| 02:12:41 | ZincAlloy1 | weren't there rumours that the clip zip is out of production? |
| 02:12:44 | [Franklin] | ah |
| 02:13:07 | [Franklin] | but expect it's end of life soon (as in 5 years) |
| 02:13:21 | ZincAlloy1 | "I work for a large online retailer, in our stock system the zip, + & Fuze all have stock re-supply issues & marked as being 'discontinued by manufacturer'." |
| 02:13:47 | [Saint] | Yeah - I'd take that with a grain of salt, personally. |
| 02:14:00 | [Saint] | SanDisk is still selling both new and refurbished units. |
| 02:14:34 | ZincAlloy1 | hope it survives a little longer. it's a great player with rockbox. not too sturdy, but very handy |
| 02:14:43 | [Franklin] | but expect the death of the ipod classic soon... :( |
| 02:14:52 | [Franklin] | sad but true |
| 02:15:19 | [Saint] | Ohhhh, stop spreading fud. |
| 02:15:42 | [Franklin] | apple barely even acknowledges it exists |
| 02:15:56 | copper | what |
| 02:16:10 | copper | http://www.apple.com/ipod/ |
| 02:16:18 | copper | it's right there, smack in the middle |
| 02:16:26 | copper | http://www.apple.com/ipodclassic/ |
| 02:16:37 | [Franklin] | all they ever talk about is "ipod touch", "iphone", "ipad", and "mac" |
| 02:16:41 | copper | here it is again, in the middle http://store.apple.com/us/ipod |
| 02:16:43 | [Saint] | Its well established that facts don't prevent [Franklin] from making wild assumptions. |
| 02:16:48 | [Franklin] | LOL |
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| 02:18:49 | chrisb | i didn't think the port for the 160G ipod classic was in good shape though... |
| 02:19:09 | [Franklin] | it is |
| 02:19:23 | [Franklin] | just the install is too hard, and doom doesn't work without a workaround :) |
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| 02:21:01 | chrisb | ah, that's right, the install to ipod classic is the problem... |
| 02:24:50 | [Saint] | The installation method isn't what's holding it back. |
| 02:25:00 | [Saint] | Its the fact that there's no bootloader. |
| 02:25:46 | [Saint] | It can't progress to unstable until it has a Rockbox supplied bootloader, regardless of how functional the port is. |
| 02:26:27 | [Saint] | It'll continue to be "unusable" for as long as installation and boot relies on emCORE and the Freemyipod project. |
| 02:26:56 | [Saint] | (because Rockbox doesn't offer any officially supported means of installation, it needs to be marked as unusable) |
| 02:29:33 | chrisb | thanks. is it the same issue for the install for the SonyNWZE3xx |
| 02:32:08 | ZincAlloy1 | [Saint], I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. My WPS still has the 3x3 grid.. with a progressbar present it shouldn't, right? I've also tried to define a touch area for the progress bar.. |
| 02:32:13 | [Saint] | ...kinda |
| 02:33:01 | [Saint] | ZincAlloy1: is it possible that config.cfg is defining gridmode? |
| 02:33:27 | [Saint] | config.cfg will take preference here. |
| 02:33:48 | [Saint] | Even if the theme provides touch areas, its still possible to run it in gridmode. |
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| 02:37:47 | ZincAlloy1 | no, config.cfg is alright |
| 02:38:24 | ZincAlloy1 | so should it run in absolute mode as soon as there is a progress bar? |
| 02:38:51 | [Saint] | As far as I'm aware, it should, yes. |
| 02:39:04 | [Saint] | As progressbars automagically create their own touch areas. |
| 02:39:07 | ZincAlloy1 | weird |
| 02:39:24 | [Saint] | Any bar should automagically create its own touch area. |
| 02:39:50 | [Saint] | Unless you're passing the notouch tuple in bar params. |
| 02:40:24 | ZincAlloy1 | nope |
| 02:43:12 | ZincAlloy1 | resetted all settings and reloaded the theme. no luck |
| 02:46:44 | [Saint] | You shouldn't have to, but, what happens if you select absolute point specifically? |
| 02:47:48 | ZincAlloy1 | general settings>display>touchscreen settings? |
| 02:47:50 | [Saint] | (so refreshing to read skin code that is nicely laid out and wasn't written by a complete retard) |
| 02:47:55 | [Saint] | Yes. |
| 02:47:57 | ZincAlloy1 | that only changes modes in the menus |
| 02:48:07 | ZincAlloy1 | ha, thanks |
| 02:48:21 | ZincAlloy1 | gotta make it easy to read or working with it will be a nightmare. |
| 02:48:54 | [Saint] | ok, sec, lets try something. |
| 02:49:38 | [Saint] | try this theme: http://linux.die.net/man/8/fsck.msdos |
| 02:49:48 | [Saint] | bah, stoopid pastebuffer. |
| 02:50:00 | [Saint] | http://www.datafilehost.com/d/967ddaa2 |
| 02:50:02 | [Saint] | There we go. |
| 02:50:26 | [Saint] | Its for 480x800, but, it'll try to position its elements in a semi-sane fashion. |
| 02:50:53 | [Saint] | Its not supposed to have to deal with such a large jump in resolution, but, it should work for our requirements now. |
| 02:51:34 | ZincAlloy1 | ugh? what happened there? it's supposed to be a zip file but I ended up with a .dmg? |
| 02:52:17 | ZincAlloy1 | 348kb instead of 257? |
| 02:52:48 | ZincAlloy1 | ah, gotta uncheck the download manager thingy |
| 02:52:53 | [Saint] | It should be exactly 269,566 bytes |
| 02:53:02 | [Saint] | compressed |
| 02:53:19 | [Saint] | http://pastebin.com/xtnmWXrk |
| 02:53:32 | [Saint] | Glargh. Sorry. DIdn't mean to paste that. |
| 02:53:41 | [Saint] | I've got ten bajillion pastebuffers open. |
| 02:54:42 | ZincAlloy1 | that works |
| 02:54:58 | [Saint] | Bet it looks bloody crazy. |
| 02:55:14 | ZincAlloy1 | kinda |
| 02:55:20 | [Saint] | Its only supposed to have to deal with 10~20px discrepancies. |
| 02:55:57 | [Saint] | For weird targets where the OS steals some of the resolution for virtual softkeys, or ones with screwy resolution. |
| 02:56:33 | [Saint] | 720x1288, etc. 856x1200, <other_crazy_resolution_here>, and so on. |
| 02:56:39 | ZincAlloy1 | that theme reminds me… I've got to find a huge iconset |
| 02:56:48 | [Saint] | How huge is huge? |
| 02:56:57 | [Saint] | I can whipe you up one now if you want. |
| 02:57:01 | [Saint] | *whip |
| 02:57:46 | [Saint] | 256x256px? :) |
| 02:57:50 | [Saint] | 128x128? |
| 02:57:57 | [Saint] | 64? 48? |
| 02:58:13 | ZincAlloy1 | quite sure yet. Maybe I'll change the line spacing again… I'll let you know! |
| 02:58:45 | ZincAlloy1 | +not |
| 02:59:17 | ZincAlloy1 | oh my… your theme won't let me select the upper most items in lists |
| 02:59:23 | ZincAlloy1 | I can't switch back to my theme :D |
| 02:59:44 | [Saint] | Hmmm...I wonder why that is... |
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| 03:00:26 | [Saint] | ZincAlloy1: http://www.datafilehost.com/d/3248addc (icon sets with viewers, 48x48~256x256px) |
| 03:00:27 | ZincAlloy1 | fixed it. I was able to turn on grid :D |
| 03:00:43 | ZincAlloy1 | excellent! thanks! |
| 03:00:59 | [Saint] | If you need any other resolution, just give me a yell. |
| 03:01:03 | ZincAlloy1 | switching from your theme to mine produces awesome artifacts.. |
| 03:01:38 | [Saint] | Yeah, I don't use a backdrop at all, and even though Rockbox should be clearing the backdrop buffer when exiting/entering a screen, it...doesn't seem to. |
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| 03:01:52 | [Saint] | Its reproducible with switching any theme that uses a backdrop. |
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| 03:05:24 | saratoga | can one of the android port developers comment if the changes to how the android target builds here are ok: http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/941/ (see tools/configure) |
| 03:05:58 | saratoga | it changes the NDK version for instance |
| 03:08:41 | [Saint] | saratoga: that looks all good to me. |
| 03:09:49 | saratoga | even the changes to LDOPTS? |
| 03:11:42 | [Saint] | Yes. But it shouldn't be pushed without also changing the error message that resides somewhere around line 660ish |
| 03:12:09 | [Saint] | (there's an error the prints the min SDK version if its unmet, which would now be completely misleading) |
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| 03:12:40 | [Saint] | *NDK version, sorry. |
| 03:12:41 | saratoga | can you post that to gerrit? |
| 03:12:45 | saratoga | i'd like to push this soonish |
| 03:12:48 | [Saint] | I can indeed. |
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| 03:14:18 | ploco | cherry-picked. compiling. gonna test on my phone before say "yes, not affecting android at all" |
| 03:15:25 | [Saint] | I sincerely doubt that anyone that's building Android or any other project that relies on the NDK still has NDK _5_ installed. |
| 03:15:57 | [Saint] | We've been on platform-16 for an age now. |
| 03:17:42 | [Saint] | ploco: your ART patches change the NDK path min to _19_. |
| 03:17:48 | [Saint] | I think we're good here. |
| 03:18:31 | ploco | haha. true. but still want to check anything else got affected. |
| 03:18:32 | [Saint] | (sorry - that was too delicious to not point out) |
| 03:20:07 | [Saint] | The same applies to that patch too, by the way. |
| 03:20:30 | [Saint] | If we bump the min NDK version, we also need to bump the min NDK unmet error. |
| 03:21:15 | ploco | hmm..the build crash when it try to start Rockbox. this is not a good sign |
| 03:22:05 | [Saint] | As far as I'm aware it should be fine. |
| 03:22:18 | [Saint] | Must be something I'm overlooking. |
| 03:23:34 | ploco | would you might cheery-pick that and test on the phone? I'm going to read the adb log see what cause this crash |
| 03:29:13 | [Saint] | ploco: do you have your ART workaround patch in the same local tree? |
| 03:29:36 | [Saint] | perhaps that's not playing nice. |
| 03:31:16 | ploco | no. I check out from a official master before cherry pick the dx90 patch |
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| 03:36:54 | ploco | E/AndroidRuntime(10615): java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: dlopen failed: "/data/app-lib/org.rockbox-2/librockbox.so" has unexpected e_type: 2 |
| 03:37:18 | ploco | gee.. link error |
| 03:38:54 | ploco | so he needs to work on configure line 673~676 to keep android build works |
| 03:39:30 | [Saint] | Oh my God! |
| 03:39:45 | [Saint] | What am I missing in order to save a comment in gerrit? |
| 03:46:18 | [Saint] | aha - man, that's fucking braindead. |
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| 04:29:16 | chrisb | ok, emcore is going on the ipod classic... |
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| 04:45:32 | chrisb | now that i have rockbox on the iPod classic, how can i put the device in usb MSC mode to write music files? |
| 04:45:42 | chrisb | is there a manual? |
| 04:48:30 | Strife89 | There is a manual, but Rockbox doesn't have a mode selector. It's effectively MSC; it just looks like a USB storage device to a computer. |
| 04:49:01 | Strife89 | For the record, a link to the Rockbox manual is on the left of the front page. |
| 04:51:10 | Strife89 | Bah, I forgot that the Classic is still considered "unusable". So technically there is no manual for that device - yet. |
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| 04:52:06 | chrisb | Strife89: ok when i plug in, the disk presents /dev/sdb and after i mount it, i don't see any directories, not even .rockbox/ |
| 04:52:55 | chrisb | Strife89: when i press left while plugging in, i dont see any disk at all, just a usb connection good for power |
| 04:54:32 | Strife89 | Sorry, chrisb - I don't know enough about the Classic to help beyond general or Rockbox-specific advice. |
| 04:54:44 | Strife89 | I only own a couple of Sandisk devices. |
| 04:56:22 | Strife89 | But, are you literally mounting "/dev/sdb", or are you mounting sdb1? |
| 04:56:45 | [Saint] | chrisb: if you didn't complete the installation, that would be entirely expected. |
| 04:56:55 | [Saint] | I suspect this is the case. |
| 04:57:42 | [Saint] | If all you're seeing is a black and white main menu structure, you'll have your answer. |
| 04:58:30 | [Saint] | Strife89: Classic is superfloppy under Rockbox |
| 04:58:41 | Strife89 | [Saint]: Ahhh. |
| 04:58:43 | [Saint] | So, no partitions. |
| 04:59:02 | [Saint] | It'll happily accept a partition table, however. |
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| 05:00:31 | [Saint] | chrisb: to clarify, if you're booting Rockbox, and all you see is a black and white main menu structure (no colour, at all), then the installation isn't complete, and you'll need to finish it by uploading a Rockbox binary. |
| 05:01:16 | [Saint] | emCORE supplies its own (stripped down) Rockbox binary as a fallback. |
| 05:01:27 | [Saint] | Which is almost certainly what you're seeing now. |
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| 05:02:45 | [Saint] | In fact, there's a bright red warning about this very thing on the Freemyipod installation wizard: |
| 05:02:47 | [Saint] | "Even though Rockbox starts, the installation is not complete yet. Continue reading and following the instructions to the end of the page!" |
| 05:03:16 | chrisb | i power up, emcore flashes, then gives me a boot menu with powerdown, rockbox, console and tools. |
| 05:03:36 | chrisb | then i select rockbox, and i'm in a nice new installation |
| 05:04:01 | [Saint] | That doesn't answer my question. |
| 05:04:26 | [Saint] | If you see colour, you're good. If you don't, you goofed. |
| 05:05:23 | chrisb | i went through the steps to do the full install from RockboxUtility |
| 05:06:08 | [Saint] | If that is the case, then the /.rockbox directory absolutely _will_ be present. |
| 05:06:19 | [Saint] | But I note you still haven't actually answered my question. |
| 05:06:46 | chrisb | my version is 0ff739c-140908 |
| 05:07:17 | chrisb | i see color, a snowy background when i powerup |
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| 05:07:43 | * | chrisb checks the build id |
| 05:09:12 | chrisb | git pull gives Head: 0ff739c Fix typo in fuze+ deadzone manual entry |
| 05:09:27 | [Saint] | In _rockbox_. |
| 05:09:28 | [Saint] | Whatever you see in the emCORE main menu is irrelevant. |
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| 05:10:52 | chrisb | [Saint]: ok. what should i look for in rockbox? |
| 05:11:29 | [Saint] | You should just tell me what you see. If its black and white, the installation didn't complete/wasn't completed. |
| 05:12:12 | [Saint] | If you see colour at all (the line selector is a good indicator of this), then the installation was successful, and the /.rockbox directory will definitely be present. |
| 05:12:30 | [Saint] | That is, after all, the issue you mentioned. |
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| 05:12:37 | chrisb | [Saint]: there are colors |
| 05:12:47 | [Saint] | Right. Then /.rockbox exists. |
| 05:13:22 | chrisb | i agree, i can't properly mount the disk over USB to see it, though |
| 05:13:27 | Strife89 | "Dot directories" are usually just hidden. |
| 05:13:36 | chrisb | i am familiar with ls -al |
| 05:13:51 | Strife89 | Ah, sorry. |
| 05:13:54 | [Saint] | chrisb: emCORE main menu -> Tools -> Run Rockbox fallback image |
| 05:14:18 | chrisb | there is also a partition tool, too |
| 05:14:23 | [Saint] | Use this flow in order to mount the device. |
| 05:14:40 | [Saint] | Nope, there's not. |
| 05:14:41 | chrisb | [Saint]: beautiful, thatmakes sense |
| 05:15:25 | [Saint] | Though, this should "Just Work" if you're on a Linux based system. |
| 05:15:49 | [Saint] | It is highly unusual that you would need to resort to the fallback image on a Linux based system. |
| 05:15:55 | [Saint] | Very much so. |
| 05:16:18 | roj | hi folks... just tried to upgrade my fuze v1 8gb to the latest rockbox build and copy files to it. installed rockbox using rockbox utility. started rockbox successfully. turned off fuze and reconnected it to pc. downloaded fuze v1 latest build and copied rockbox folder over top of installed folder. restarted fuze and rockbox started successfully. went into settings and customized a bit (crossfeed and the like). shut down fuze and reconnected i |
| 05:16:19 | roj | t to pc. tried copying some files to the ##music/music folder. copy FAILED after 6th file. this is similar to what happened with the standard 3.13 buikd. usb file copy support broken on fuze v1. in addition used 3.13 on two other fuze v1s weith identical results. |
| 05:16:51 | roj | thought you ought to know. hitting the sack now after reverting to sansa firmware |
| 05:17:06 | [Saint] | roj: use the OF for USB transfer. |
| 05:17:29 | roj | well and good but that's not a solution - that's a workaround. |
| 05:17:32 | [Saint] | This has always been the case for those who have issues with SanDisk USB transfer. |
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| 05:18:02 | [Saint] | If you want a solution...its open source. Go fix it. |
| 05:18:04 | roj | the thing is it used to work more reliably on previous versions |
| 05:18:25 | roj | i'm no programmer |
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| 05:18:44 | [Saint] | Then I guess you're going to have to accept the workaround, aren't you? |
| 05:19:22 | roj | sadly yes - i always love when folks try to make something better... and it isn't :) |
| 05:19:41 | [Saint] | I would posit you got what you paid for. |
| 05:20:02 | [Saint] | You're always welcome to not use the product, as well. |
| 05:20:07 | roj | in any event, that's my experiment for the evening. the fuze v2 is more stable provided you start the player before oyu plug it in |
| 05:20:15 | chrisb | [Saint]: i can see it now, both on the fallback and on the dev-image thanks for your help |
| 05:21:04 | [Saint] | chrisb: aha - great, so the development binary mounts successfully for you now? That's excellent. |
| 05:21:24 | [Saint] | I was quite puzzled as to why it wouldn't mount. |
| 05:21:35 | [Saint] | Were you on a Windows system I wouldn;t be surprised at all. |
| 05:21:52 | [Saint] | But, on a *nix system, it should absolutely "Just Work". |
| 05:22:38 | roj | sadly again that's the standard reply when something is broken in open source land these days. in any event i;m not here to argue. i made my test, documented it and i'm headed for bed. if someone wants to fix it they can |
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| 05:24:04 | [Saint] | Oh noes! People have better things to do than bend over backwards trying to fix an issue that has eluded the project for _years_ and some guy is mad at me...boohoo. |
| 05:24:16 | [Saint] | bah. |
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| 05:47:49 | [Saint] | [7]: wodz: (logs) I fixed up the whitespace errors in g#949 but accidentally fucked up the author |
| 05:47:53 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #949 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/949 : usb-designware: New USB driver for Synopsys DesignWare USB OTG core. by Hayden Pearce |
| 05:49:00 | chrisb | wow, which players use cores with synopsys USB? |
| 05:49:10 | chrisb | and what does OTG mean? |
| 05:50:05 | [Saint] | Ummmm...iPod Classic, iPod Nano 2G, errrr..the iMX based devices, IIRC. |
| 05:50:18 | [Saint] | O(n) T(he) G(o) |
| 05:51:07 | [Saint] | (it pays to note that no targets I'm aware of actually support USB-OTG, however. Except for the hosted targets that won't be using this driver) |
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| 05:53:39 | chrisb | ok |
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| 06:57:47 | kugel | [Saint]: you can restore the original author |
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| 07:00:00 | kugel | git commit −−author="A X (email@foo.com)" −−amend −−reuse-message=HEAD |
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| 07:17:14 | [Saint] | kugel: I tried that, but it gave me a warning about the author email not matching my account. |
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| 07:20:01 | [Saint] | kugel: |
| 07:20:04 | [Saint] | remote: ERROR: In commit 8fec86aeebeb990420b7b85f0bb905eedbc50aef |
| 07:20:04 | [Saint] | remote: ERROR: author email address marcin.bukat@gmail.com |
| 07:20:04 | [Saint] | remote: ERROR: does not match your user account. |
| 07:20:04 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK [Saint] |
| 07:20:04 | [Saint] | remote: ERROR: |
| 07:20:04 | [Saint] | remote: ERROR: The following addresses are currently registered: |
| 07:20:06 | [Saint] | remote: ERROR: saint.lascivious@gmail.com |
| 07:20:08 | [Saint] | remote: ERROR: |
| 07:20:10 | [Saint] | remote: ERROR: To register an email address, please visit: |
| 07:20:12 | [Saint] | remote: ERROR: http://gerrit.rockbox.org/#/settings/contact |
| 07:20:20 | [Saint] | gah...shit, that's not a pastebin link now is it? |
| 07:20:22 | [Saint] | :-/ |
| 07:20:27 | [Saint] | Anyway - yeah, that. |
| 07:20:37 | kugel | oh, that's gerrit disallowing it then |
| 07:20:43 | [Saint] | Indeedy. |
| 07:21:04 | kugel | also, TheSeven was the original author i think? |
| 07:21:06 | jhMikeS | poor markun should now expect alot of spam :) |
| 07:21:07 | [Saint] | There _is_ a way to do it, and, I've done it before. |
| 07:21:14 | [Saint] | But, apparently this time I failed. |
| 07:22:53 | kugel | jhMikeS: why that? |
| 07:23:05 | kugel | that's not markun's mail :) |
| 07:23:14 | [Saint] | Indeed. |
| 07:23:34 | jhMikeS | oops, wrong guy, whatever though :) |
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| 07:44:05 | wodz | [Saint]: does it mean that g#949 works for you? |
| 07:44:09 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #949 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/949 : usb-designware: New USB driver for Synopsys DesignWare USB OTG core. by Hayden Pearce |
| 07:44:32 | [Saint] | It does. |
| 07:44:39 | wodz | holly shit |
| 07:44:52 | wodz | Nn all variants? |
| 07:44:52 | [Saint] | Hmmm? |
| 07:45:03 | [Saint] | Just tested Classic. |
| 07:45:10 | wodz | it locked up hard on [7]'s classic |
| 07:45:12 | [Saint] | Can't find an N2G until I get home. |
| 07:45:31 | [Saint] | Oh. Weird. |
| 07:46:01 | [Saint] | There's some i.MX targets that use this Synonsis core, is there not? |
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| 07:46:15 | wodz | n2g is probably more complicated. It at least needs g#843 |
| 07:46:17 | [Saint] | ...not that I have any of them. |
| 07:46:18 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #843 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/843 : Fix cache coherency on ARM940T (and other ARMv4T cores). by Michael Sparmann |
| 07:46:33 | [Saint] | Aha. Right, yes. Thanks for reminding me. |
| 07:47:00 | wodz | [Saint]: imx233 uses arc |
| 07:47:31 | [Saint] | Ah. Hmmm. There's more than just the Classic and N2G using this USB core, no? |
| 07:47:39 | [Saint] | Or am I imagining this... |
| 07:47:46 | wodz | amsv2 |
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| 08:01:10 | jhMikeS | [Saint]: So, what's so weird about the iPods? Sounds interesting. |
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| 08:02:55 | [Saint] | jhMikeS: in what way? |
| 08:03:34 | jhMikeS | [Saint]: I remember seeing a comment earlier about it tripping up even "experienced developers", I think you made it |
| 08:04:18 | [Saint] | Just a few of its oddities. |
| 08:04:29 | [Saint] | Superfloppy formatted by default from emCORE. |
| 08:04:33 | [Saint] | emCORE in general. |
| 08:05:02 | [Saint] | Really weird installation process entirely different to any other iPod. |
| 08:09:49 | wodz | [Saint]: BTW I still see white space errors in the desgnware driver (although in comments which will eventually be ripped off) |
| 08:11:30 | [Saint] | Oh? Ah. I may need to adjust my de-whitespace-ifyer |
| 08:11:49 | [Saint] | Looking at the code its skipping comments. |
| 08:12:07 | [Saint] | Not entirely nonsensical. |
| 08:12:16 | [Saint] | But, you're quite right. |
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| 09:56:56 | wodz | [Saint]: From comment on gerrit I assumed you tested designware driver on n2g but you said here you didn't. I am a bit confused, what is the actual status? |
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| 10:13:21 | [Saint] | wodz: yeah - I got mixed up there. I confused myself. I'm /indirectly/ using the new driver on N2G, a binary provided by [7]. |
| 10:13:45 | [Saint] | I'm home now, though, so I can make ammends. |
| 10:16:44 | fs-bluebot | Build Server message: New build round started. Revision 9a18ca4, 253 builds, 29 clients. |
| 10:17:03 | [Saint] | I built a binary for it as soon as you posted the updated task, but I must've put the the wrong one on there. |
| 10:17:14 | [Saint] | (or possibly never got around to updating the binary at all) |
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| 10:28:53 | wodz | [7]: ping |
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| 13:49:03 | ZincAlloy | [Saint], I've introduced another touch area and now it works. The progress bar, too. |
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| 17:19:52 | * | chrisb enjoying ipod classic + emcore + rockbox |
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| 17:24:38 | copper | welcome to the club |
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| 17:29:28 | chrisb | copper: don't get me wrong, i love my sansa e200 and fuze, and hate the overprice of the iPod |
| 17:31:32 | chrisb | and i just got dock support working for my fuze,which was a long time goal |
| 17:32:26 | chrisb | my gtkpod has been broken for months, so i could no longer put files on the iPod with apple firmware |
| 17:34:32 | copper | it's not overpriced if there's no competition :P |
| 17:39:02 | chrisb | copper: but it was overpriced when there was lots of competition |
| 17:41:21 | * | ZincAlloy is enjoying Rockbox on his phone |
| 17:46:23 | chrisb | ZincAlloy: how do you do that? emulator? |
| 17:47:09 | * | chrisb goes to check other emcore targets... |
| 17:47:11 | ZincAlloy | There are rockbox builds for android |
| 17:47:43 | ZincAlloy | rasher.dk/rockbox/android/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/android/ |
| 17:48:25 | ZincAlloy | large album art won't work. other than that it's really nice once you've made a good theme.. |
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| 17:54:39 | chrisb | ZincAlloy: thanks |
| 17:55:24 | foolsh | chrisb: Are your sansa dock output changes in gerrit? |
| 17:56:35 | chrisb | foolsh: no, just in my local branch. i started with tenfoot's patch from 2011 |
| 17:57:17 | foolsh | cool I'll check that, and you should upload them if you care to |
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| 18:00:24 | foolsh | btw g#922 has really nice DSP effects but needs tested on more targets if anyone has time, give it a shot |
| 18:00:27 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #922 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/922 : three new DSPs (WIP) by Chiwen Chang |
| 18:00:58 | foolsh | I've had it running on fuze+ two days no trouble |
| 18:01:14 | chrisb | foolsh: can create a patch from git and send it to you for evaluation? also, i only checked it on one platform, fuzev2 |
| 18:02:46 | foolsh | I can if you wish, but it's not necessary, Id rather you learn how it not hard, if you can of course if not I'd be honored to |
| 18:03:52 | foolsh | Gerrits not permanent you can make changes and reach more people |
| 18:10:14 | foolsh | Don't worry if you mess up, you only get yelled at a little bit by the devs ;-) |
| 18:17:44 | chrisb | thanks for your encouragement |
| 18:19:32 | foolsh | Your welcome, ask for help anytime as well |
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| 18:36:34 | chrisb | rockbox is so good, i hope something like this may happen to keep the hardware available: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3657 |
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| 19:17:07 | fml | Hello. The new deadzone option should also be described in the section about the settings (don't know what appendix that is) |
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| 19:17:26 | fml | I mean in the manual |
| 19:19:37 | foolsh | Thanks again fml, I'll get to tit then ;-) |
| 19:19:41 | chrisb | deadzone for clip or fuze+? |
| 19:19:43 | foolsh | to it* |
| 19:19:48 | foolsh | lol |
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| 19:21:11 | fml | sorry for the nagging but if we (you) do it we should do it properly |
| 19:21:52 | foolsh | Absolutely, and really thank you, it's not nagging :-) |
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| 19:47:58 | foolsh | fml: Do you mean in the "The Main Menu > Settings" section? I see the system settings are missing from it completely, I have my work cut out for me now ;-) |
| 19:48:50 | foolsh | or rather General > System Settings |
| 19:50:07 | ZincAlloy | [Saint], check it out, it came out pretty slick - other than the album art issue https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63855956/rockdroid_720x1280.zip |
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| 19:55:23 | foolsh | fml: I'm slightly confused now, the other sections of "The Main Menu > Settings" do not reference their subsections either. Is it some where else you had in mind I should be looking? Sorry |
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| 20:06:48 | foolsh | fml: There appears to more inconsistencies in the manual than just that, so I'm going to post a forum post and try to draw more discussion to this, thank you again |
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| 21:14:52 | foolsh | Will rockbox be joining the internet slow down day tomorrow? https://www.battleforthenet.com/sept10th/ |
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| 21:21:07 | fml | foolsh: I meant the appendic "Config file options" |
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| 21:21:58 | foolsh | Ah thank you, I missed that one |
| 21:28:46 | foolsh | And the touchpad sensitivity setting is missing too it looks like. So I'll get *to it* then :-D |
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| 21:36:11 | oskie_ | hello. I have a Sansa Clip Zip but I wonder if there's newer players suitable for Rockbox? |
| 21:36:49 | oskie_ | looking that the wiki BuyersGuide it seems the Sandisk Sansa are the only ones in production |
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| 21:40:13 | ikeboy | I'd personally recommend the fuze+. It's older than the clip zip (I think) but has a big screen and good control imo. |
| 21:40:30 | ikeboy | Some people have complained about the touchpad though |
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| 21:48:55 | copper | 19:36:51 UTC <oskie_> looking that the wiki BuyersGuide it seems the Sandisk Sansa are the only ones in production |
| 21:48:58 | copper | didn't you ask this before? |
| 21:49:17 | copper | Fuze+, iPod Classic |
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| 22:07:58 | oskie_ | copper: before? must've been months ago |
| 22:09:35 | copper | 2014/09/09 00:12:00 UTC <chrisb> which platforms besides sansa are still in production? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide |
| 22:09:43 | copper | someone else then |
| 22:10:29 | copper | anyway, looks like the iPod Classic is finally out of production |
| 22:10:42 | copper | http://www.apple.com/ipodclassic/ redirects to http://www.apple.com/ipod/ and the Classic isn't listed |
| 22:11:22 | gevaerts | So now it *finally* can start becoming a classic |
| 22:11:26 | ZincAlloy | ^^ |
| 22:11:54 | copper | and the Rockbox port still is "unusable" :( |
| 22:12:02 | gevaerts | Well |
| 22:12:12 | gevaerts | So are most Apple devices when they leave the factory :) |
| 22:12:24 | copper | lol |
| 22:12:30 | copper | sassy mouth |
| 22:16:56 | copper | http://outpost.fr/SXx → tuaw.com: Apple kills iPod Classic in total silence | TUAW: Apple news, reviews and how-tos since 2004 | Original URL: http://www.tuaw.com/2014/09/09/apple-kills-ipod-classic-in-total-silence/ |
| 22:22:07 | copper | they should have updated it with a super large SSD |
| 22:22:31 | copper | in Champagne Gold :D |
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| 23:29:54 | ZincAlloy | the button assignment in android could use some work. a long press on the back button doesn't do anything. It could be used as a shortcut to the wps. |
| 23:30:55 | ZincAlloy | and a long press on the menu button will bring up the context menu. Not all that useful. a long touch on any list item will bring up the context menu as well. |
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| 23:39:53 | copper | useful for identifying iPods, maybe? http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/9/4715274/ipod-classic-discontinued-a-visual-history |
| 23:40:43 | copper | "If you're of a certain age, then, you can get ready to tell your grandchildren about the days when people carried 160GB of music in their pocket instead of streaming it all from the cloud. Oh, and get ready to explain what a spinning hard drive is, too." |
| 23:40:51 | copper | This. |
| 23:46:31 | copper | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/09/ipod-classic-is-dead-and-the-30-pin-connector-along-with-it/ |
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| 23:46:52 | copper | "Now that Apple is able to offer iPhones in 128GB solid-state storage options, the iPod classic would have felt particularly redundant as a product." |
| 23:47:05 | [Franklin] | yep |
| 23:47:09 | [Franklin] | who said that? |
| 23:47:16 | copper | except the Classic was selling for 250-300 euros, and the 128 GB iPhone will sell for a thousand euros |
| 23:47:28 | [Franklin] | another reason for them to cut it |
| 23:47:33 | [Franklin] | make them more money! |
| 23:47:46 | [Franklin] | any chance that rockbox could run on the iWatch? |
| 23:48:18 | * | copper pukes |
| 23:48:35 | * | [Franklin] just noticed apple's new website |
| 23:49:34 | [Franklin] | "Single computer architecture on a single chip" |
| 23:49:55 | [Franklin] | So RAM, CPU, and Flash storage on one chip... |
| 23:50:50 | [Franklin] | Inductive charging... |
| 23:51:11 | copper | the charging thing is brilliant |
| 23:51:14 | [Franklin] | If some way could be found to run arbitrary code, then it will definitely have the power to run rockbox |
| 23:51:37 | copper | it doesn't work as a standalone thing |
| 23:51:43 | copper | and there's no headphone plug |
| 23:51:44 | [Franklin] | yeah |
| 23:51:47 | * | the-kyle wouldn't want flash storage on the same chip with the CPU. |
| 23:51:48 | [Franklin] | aww |
| 23:51:55 | [Franklin] | the-kyle, that's what apple did |
| 23:51:58 | [Franklin] | *crapple |
| 23:52:03 | copper | socket* |
| 23:52:13 | copper | the-kyle: because of noise? |
| 23:52:46 | [Franklin] | ahh true |
| 23:52:53 | [Franklin] | but it seems to be a big "chip" |
| 23:53:12 | * | [Franklin] can't find any tech specs on the thing |
| 23:53:53 | [Franklin] | any *real* tech specs, not apple's marketing propaganda |
| 23:53:53 | the-kyle | Yes because of noise, but also because flash is short-lived. |
| 23:54:29 | the-kyle | The CPU part of the chip would definitely outlast the flash. |
| 23:54:40 | [Franklin] | yes |
| 23:55:08 | * | [Franklin] considers a forum post on the topic |
| 23:55:26 | the-kyle | And of course, since it's an Apple product, it most likely won't have a way to replace or supplement the flash with external storage. |
| 23:55:32 | [Franklin] | maybe there's a piezo in there :) |
| 23:55:35 | [Franklin] | and LOL |
| 23:57:09 | [Franklin] | the "S1" seems to be pretty big |
| 23:57:17 | [Franklin] | so I doubt it's one piece of silicon |
| 23:58:21 | [Franklin] | was anyone expecting a new ipod classic at the keynote today? |
| 23:58:30 | copper | no |
| 23:58:40 | * | [Franklin] was kinda hoping for one |
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