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#rockbox log for 2014-09-13

00:04:06ZincAlloythe way it is the buttons are hard to press and it makes bad use of the space available
00:04:12ZincAlloyhttp://oi58.tinypic.com/wa28bd.jpg
00:04:49ZincAlloybottom is something that came with my phone
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00:08:26Mirhttp://www.computerworld.com/article/2607184/sandisk-announces-worlds-highest-capacity-sd-card-512gb.html#social
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00:14:32ZincAlloyHere's how I'd do it: http://oi59.tinypic.com/155mjaw.jpg
00:15:10foolshI do like that
00:15:37ZincAlloythanks :)
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00:20:40ZincAlloythe thing that came with my phone can be resized by pulling out a playlist on the bottom.. would be nice to have as well
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00:26:48rojgevaerts: thank you :)
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02:02:55foolsh[Franklin]: Lets continue over here the game Descent has released their source code, it was decent game back in the day
02:03:50foolshhttps://github.com/drguildo/Descent
02:03:52[Franklin]nice
02:04:43foolshGRANTS A
02:04:46foolshROYALTY-FREE, PERPETUAL LICENSE TO SUCH END-USERS FOR USE BY SUCH END-USERS
02:04:48foolshIN USING, DISPLAYING, AND CREATING DERIVATIVE WORKS THEREOF, SO LONG AS
02:04:50foolshSUCH USE, DISPLAY OR CREATION IS FOR NON-COMMERCIAL, ROYALTY OR REVENUE
02:04:51[Franklin]YEAH
02:04:52foolshFREE PURPOSES.
02:05:09[Franklin]"We removed
02:05:09[Franklin]all code to which we did not own the copyright. This mainly involved low-
02:05:09[Franklin]level sound and modem code."
02:05:36[Franklin]OK... port?
02:05:46[Franklin]some x86 asm
02:06:15foolshIt's huge though
02:06:36[Franklin]ugh...
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02:09:58[Franklin]DOOM on a real PC is AWESOME
02:10:07[Franklin]about 20 times better than on ipod classic :)
02:10:27foolshDoom and Descent were out right around the same time
02:10:50[Franklin]hmm... maybe
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02:12:02foolshPut it on the backburner
02:13:03foolshShould finish what we got so far, amaze, peridoc table, infones, 2600box all would require less effort
02:13:56[Franklin]periodic table is good to go
02:14:04[Franklin]amaze definitely not
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02:14:15[Franklin]ptable could use an up/down
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02:14:37foolshptable could use that would be to hard to work something acceptable
02:14:41foolshwork out*
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02:14:59foolshwouldn't be to hard I mean
02:15:22[Franklin]yes, for the middle of the table, easy
02:15:27[Franklin]just add 18 to idx
02:15:37[Franklin]but for the "borderline" ones...
02:15:56[Franklin]could be done with some ifs/elses
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02:17:20[Franklin]just need to make some vars static
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02:25:56[Franklin]foolsh, what should be "up" from the lanthantides?
02:26:05[Franklin]foolsh, what should be "up" from the lanthanides?
02:26:08[Franklin]typo
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02:27:21foolshI was thinking like 104 could be above 57 and 105 above 58
02:27:27foolshso on on and on
02:27:57foolshNot logical but just there
02:28:31[Franklin]but see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table#mediaviewer/File:Periodic_table_blocks_spdf_%2832_column%29.svg
02:28:39[Franklin]and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table#mediaviewer/File:Periodic_Table_overview_%28wide%29.svg
02:28:53[Franklin]so actinium is "up" from lanthanide
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02:30:16foolshI like the wide one
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02:31:05[Franklin]yeah
02:31:08[Franklin]me too
02:31:08[Franklin]so "up" from lanthanum is actinium
02:31:29[Franklin]and "up" from hydrogen is francium
02:31:30[Franklin]ok
02:32:06[Franklin]problem is... there could be a new element any day :)
02:32:12[Franklin]see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_periodic_table
02:34:54foolshHasn't happened yet though ;-)
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02:35:12*[Franklin] feels bad for whoever needs to maintain it :)
02:36:40[Franklin]where to put 119?
02:38:37[Franklin]and http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/tech/mobile/goodbye-ipod-classic/index.html
02:40:03[Franklin]farewell, old friend
02:40:13foolshLeaving?
02:40:18foolshOh
02:40:29foolshI didn't see the link lol
02:40:29[Franklin]iPod classic ;)
02:41:57foolshI was thinking about trying to start a native port of rockbox for some of these old wince pdas I have laying around
02:42:06[Franklin]hmm... any way to get apple OF games running on Rockbox?
02:42:27[Franklin]first I need a game
02:43:00foolshSure port them, natively ? no not a chance
02:43:19[Franklin]oh really?
02:44:37[Franklin]yeah, maybe port
02:44:43foolshIf you have the source and it's in C or can be ported to C and the license agrees with rockbox
02:44:52*[Franklin] can't even get a game
02:45:09[Franklin]so no
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02:45:49foolshOr write them from scratch
02:47:36[Franklin]no...
02:47:59[Franklin]asphalt?
02:48:14foolsh???
02:48:25[Franklin]game
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02:49:18[Franklin]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCYsG-mrXQc
02:54:08[Franklin]wait... ipodlinux has "vortex demo"...
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02:57:39[Franklin]if I could find the source...
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03:06:46[Franklin]Does anyone have an OF image for iPod classic, or is this illegal to ask?
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03:07:12[Franklin]I mean, you can download a new image if you want
03:07:12[Franklin]TheSeven?
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03:08:43[Franklin]and technically its abandonware now
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03:14:22[Franklin]yeah
03:14:26[Franklin]happens to me sometimes
03:14:49*[Franklin] is working on up/down in ptable
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03:32:02[Franklin]ahh... idea!
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03:32:17foolshSpill it
03:32:21[Franklin]use the existing ptable data to calculate up/down!
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03:33:01foolshOkaaaayyyy
03:33:01[Franklin]use the existing ptable data to calculate up/down!
03:33:35[Franklin]except... it involves nasty searches
03:34:03[Franklin]though a binary search cuts it down to 7 loops in worst-case
03:34:22[Franklin]but first I'll use a linear search for simplicity
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03:42:57[Franklin]nope... it wouldn't work
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03:50:41foolshLets see, four more values per element added to the matrix, designating the next destination for up , down, left, right it should work that way, its ugly, but is there a way around doing that way? not really the table of elements is weird like that, unless you know some mathematical trickery to predict elements
03:51:59[Franklin]which is what I'm trying to do
03:54:01[Franklin]yay... it works... 70% of the time :)
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03:58:06[Franklin]instead of playing doom
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04:00:17[Franklin]ok... "up" is 80% working
04:00:26[Franklin]though some problems with period 4
04:03:38[Franklin]and period 7
04:05:07foolshI found a good one [Franklin] http://www.linuxmotors.com/SDL_bomber/
04:05:37foolsh"This code is GPL" in the readme http://www.linuxmotors.com/SDL_bomber/downloads/
04:05:47[Franklin]wanna port?
04:05:54foolshIts in C
04:06:08[Franklin]so yes, I take it :)
04:06:13foolsh:-)
04:08:02foolshhmm it runs a match server, have to rewrite and simplify that
04:08:19foolshBut the bones are good
04:09:28[Franklin]ok... gotta sleep
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04:09:33foolshMe too
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07:45:32nialv7rockbox does not function properly as a usb 3.0 device. it keeps disconnecting and giving out input/output errors
07:45:47nialv7though I'm not exactly sure if this is a problem with my laptop....
07:47:01[Saint]Well...it is marked as "unusable".
07:47:53nialv7what do you mean? usb 3.0 is unusable?
07:48:43[Saint]The device port for the Classic.
07:48:59[Saint]Rockbox itself doesn't offer any means of installation for it.
07:50:09[Saint]And, yes, we have seen errors pertaining to the Classic and USB3 over on #freemyipod* before now, and it shouldn't happen at all, but it does.
07:50:50[Saint]I used to have some USB3 hardware around here to be able to test on but that's no longer the case.
07:51:36nialv7oh..
07:51:39[Saint](very very very early USB3 hardware, at that)
07:52:05nialv7is this happening on all platform? i mean both windows and linux?
07:52:36nialv7I only tested on linux. so could it be a linux xhci driver problem?
07:53:10nialv7also this happens for both rockbox and the emcore bootstrap tool... are they sharing code or?
07:53:14[Saint]I have no idea. But I cann tell you the situation is entirely unlikely to improve on Windows.
07:53:35[Saint]The current state of the USB driver is...interesting.
07:53:54[Saint]FOr some Windows users, it won;t mount _at all_.
07:54:05nialv7ok...
07:54:45[Saint]I thought the freemyipod installation documents actually specifically mentioned sticking away from USB3 until such time as this is sorted, but I see now that it doesn't.
07:54:51[Saint]I should ammend that.
07:55:02nialv7luckily I have a older laptop around which has usb 2.0 port.
07:55:11*[Saint] nods
07:55:21[Saint]linux USB2 should be solid.
07:56:01[Saint]I don't have any issue with Rockbox git HEAD on any of the Android/debian/Arch systems it touches.
07:56:32[Saint]I haven't used Windows outside of a VM for an eternity.
07:57:05[Saint]I doubt many regaulars have, except save for work.
07:57:13[Saint]Or school.
07:59:45drvink_i'm not a regular but windows is the only platform i use rockbox with :v
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08:00:01drvink_also, usb3 seems to be working ok for me w/ ipod6g
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08:04:25nialv7so maybe it's only linux?
08:04:45nialv7btw how do you sync music with rockbox? simply copying?
08:06:47drvinkrsync
08:09:45nialv7i'm searching for how to use rockbox with amarok, and found [Saint]'s post: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,43493.msg220761.html#msg220761
08:10:21nialv7so... any updates on that?
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09:32:43copperno problem for me with my Classic on my laptop's USB3 port
09:32:56copperrunning Arch Linux
09:38:58copperactually I've had this problem lately where the Classic wouldn't "register" completely and wouldn't mount until I unplugged it and plugged it in again
09:39:19copperbut I don't think that's related to USB3, and I can't tell if it's a Rockbox problem or a Linux problem
09:39:37copperand I don't think that happens every time either
09:47:06copperyup, just tried it, went fine this time
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21:15:04pixelmaI wonder if the SDL app can be used as is under Windows (provided that I got the sdl library) or if it needs to be crosscompiled
21:16:02dfktis there (technically) much difference between the SDL app and the simulators?
21:16:46pixelmawell yes, I can set my own resolution for it hence I'd be able to prepare a theme for my phone's screen
21:17:52pixelmathat's more from a user's pov of course
21:19:32dfktah ok. when making a theme for my phone/tablet, i simply changed the simulator's resolution in the source
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22:00:45nialv7can I build rockbox with toolchain built by crosstool-ng?
22:02:47gevaertsYou can try, but we don't test that
22:03:46nialv7ok
22:04:27nialv7ipod classic is not brickable, right?
22:04:40nialv7I can always go to DFU mode, right?
22:05:14gevaertsI think so, but I'm not a classic specialist
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