#rockbox 2014-09-16

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#rockbox log for 2014-09-16

00:01:17	nialv7	utf8 characters are all >= 128, since const char * is signed, they all < 0
00:01:26	gevaerts	And to answer the other question, as far as I can see, path_trim_whitespace() is used when parsing playlists, i.e. stuff people have added whitespace to because "it doesn't matter and you can't see it anyway"
00:01:35	nialv7	and they are compared against <= ' '
00:01:44	gevaerts	Oh, right, signed char might do that
00:02:27	nialv7	does that mean char is unsigned when compiling for real ipod6g?
00:02:44	gevaerts	Well, char signedness is implementation-defined. It might be...
00:02:45	*	copper gives up
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00:03:08	nialv7	.... should i submit a patch for this?
00:03:58	micah	hey i've got an old ipod classic - 80gb, rockbox has kept this sucker ticking when someone was wanting to throw it away, so huge thanks
00:04:24	micah	i'm getting occasional drive errors on it - and am wondering if there are any disk testing/repairing tools I can run on it
00:05:15	*	gevaerts tries to find out default char signedness for all rockbox CPU architectures
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00:09:59	gevaerts	nialv7: char is unsigned on arm, yes
00:10:01	gevaerts	Hmmm
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00:10:38	gevaerts	OK, this is reasonably new code (only a year old or so...)
00:10:53	nialv7	so what should i do..?
00:10:59	gevaerts	Well, it's committed more recently
00:11:03	gevaerts	jhMikeS is to blame
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00:12:35	nialv7	also whitespace trimming prevent us from have file names begin with whitespaces...
00:13:14	gevaerts	Yes, that too, but I'm not sure how common that is in the real world
00:13:54	copper	why is it working for me then?
00:14:10	copper	my sim is running git 278e866
00:14:19	nialv7	idk. what encoding are you using?
00:14:27	copper	utf8
00:14:32	gevaerts	copper: easy, that's from before the commit that broke it
00:14:41	copper	6ffb8ffeeed9aca75c278906785a957d72b3ef57 ?
00:14:42	gevaerts	7d1a47cf is the problematic one
00:14:58	copper	ah
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00:17:02	nialv7	so... could that cause the jitter problem as well?
00:17:06	gevaerts	Well, if I look at the diff properly, there was whitespace trimming for the end of the file before that
00:17:09	gevaerts	No
00:17:27	nialv7	oh ok
00:17:43	*	nialv7 will do test anyway
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00:18:25	gevaerts	nialv7: are you using a playlist?
00:18:40	nialv7	I was playing from the database
00:18:57	gevaerts	Not relevant for the gapless issue, but I'm trying to figure out where path_trim_whitespace is called from
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00:19:18	nialv7	oh, if you are talking about the uisimulator
00:19:28	nialv7	then i was playing directly from file
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00:20:05	nialv7	it's audio_load_track->playlist_peek->get_filename
00:20:11	gevaerts	Right. I understand where the code is coming from now
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00:21:11	gevaerts	Can you report a bug? I'd like jhMikeS to have a look at this, but he isn't online right now
00:21:54	gevaerts	The unsigned one is fairly trivial, but the entire trimming at the start of the filename needs to be looked at, and I want to be sure there's no other signedness issue somewhere
00:22:59	nialv7	that sounds like several bugs
00:23:18	gevaerts	Yes
00:24:57	nialv7	I'm not sure how to write those bug reports...
00:28:35	gevaerts	I'll file them.
00:29:27	nialv7	thx. I'll go back to debug the jitter problem...
00:35:38	gevaerts	There, FS #12995 and FS #12996
00:35:39	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12995 path_trim_whitespace() assumes unsigned char (bugs, new)
00:35:39	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12996 path_trim_whitespace() shouldn't trim the start of a filename (bugs, new)
00:36:46	gevaerts	The end of a filename is fair game here I think. If you have whitespace at the end of a file, it doesn't end with a supported extension, so it can't be played anyway
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00:38:06	nialv7	i agree
00:45:41	*	nialv7 is wondering how many people have actually done the mSATA mod with an ipod6g
00:46:09	[Saint]	several, but comparitively few.
00:47:02	nialv7	i thought most people do that with a ipod 5g
00:47:59	[Saint]	I have one iPod Video with an SSD in it, and several with the 240GB MK2431GAH
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00:49:15	nialv7	those are ipod 5/5.5g right?
00:49:26	[Saint]	Correct.
00:49:58	nialv7	I want to know who else have done the mSATA mod with 6g, and if they have similar problem..
00:50:12	[Saint]	The MK2431GAH will fit in the Color/Photo/4G as well IIRC>
00:50:37	[Saint]	The 5/5.5G needs the 80GB backing plate to fit the MK2431GAH
00:50:51	[Saint]	It won't fit with the 30GB backing plate.
00:55:02	[Saint]	I have some offbrand ZIF SSD in one of my Classics.
00:55:08	[Saint]	Renice, IIRC>
00:55:16	[Saint]	s/>/./
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00:56:57	chrisb	nialv7: what's the mSATA mod?
00:58:06	[Saint]	chrisb: see: http://www.tarkan.info/
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01:04:20	chrisb	[Saint]: thanks, that's a very interesting site
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01:35:08	jhMikeS	gevaerts: you're getting into weird territory if you want spaces in an extension, FAT explicitely forbids it, as for others, I guess extensions really aren't a thing
01:36:50	jhMikeS	and for whitespace trimming at only the end, hmmm, probably inadviseable in paths from playlist files (and likely most other times)
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01:56:27	amiconn	Spaces in an extension are not forbidden in vfat, but both leading and trailing spaces are, as well as trailing periods
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02:02:58	jhMikeS	it's not an extension then; it's in the FAT spec that I've got
02:03:20	jhMikeS	which is Microsoft's btw
02:04:46	jhMikeS	"file.ext ension" has no extension
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03:20:37	saratoga	I like how the "All Side-by-Side" option in gerrit actually does the same as the "Side-by-Side" option, which is the opposite of showing you all items side by side
03:22:49	saratoga	i'd say thats unexpected, but actually, I expect gerrit to always do the least useful thing in all circumstances
03:24:18	foo\|sh	Should read "open a crap load of tabs"
03:27:05	foo\|sh	I run a redmine server for my small projects I love the way I can do this...
03:27:08	foo\|sh	http://creativepc.no-ip.org/projects/rockbox/repository/revisions/77bfff58ec440fc1d666fdd398cb9efbf1a1c287/diff?utf8=%E2%9C%93&rev_to=2a35c4cad8cb5d9c592715882d57fe78a6f9d163&type=sbs
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03:37:18	nialv7	I think the gapless playback actually works, but the database is taking too much resource, forcing playback to jitter
03:37:29	nialv7	if i play from file there's no jitter
03:38:02	nialv7	if I play from database, the jitter occurs after the next has started playing
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04:02:24	nialv7	So i turned off "Gather Runtime Data" then the jitter is gone.
04:03:58	foo\|sh	Ah good to know
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08:15:38	foolsh	Looking for a vict... uh volunteer to check out g#656 maybe build the toolchain on a 64bit system, I'm on 32bit, or just look over the beast and point out what I did wrong so far ;-)
08:15:41	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #656 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/656 : WinCE SDL port & new Toolchain CeGCC 0.59 (WIP) by Benjamin Brown
08:17:36	foolsh	I have it building right up to "make: *** No rule to make target `wince-rock/bmp.h', needed by `wince-rock/apps/action.o'. Stop."
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08:22:07	foolsh	And anyone is really curious/generous and wants to be helpful, I'll even donate and ship some hardware to any interested parties
08:23:23	JdGordon	wince still exsists?
08:24:10	foolsh	same thing as Windows Mobile these days I believe
08:25:25	foolsh	Which was the same as PocketPC way back in the day
08:26:16	foolsh	Which was Windows CE before that, you know how Microsoft likes to just change the name and pretend its better
08:26:44	foolsh	I just have these poor little shits sitting here not doing anything
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08:29:12	foolsh	After I've got this SDL port under my belt, I'd like to maybe start a native port to one of them
08:29:37	foolsh	For educational purposes of course
08:30:32	[Saint]	I am genuinely curious, but shipping to NZ would cost me an arm and a leg.
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08:31:10	foolsh	Let me check on the prices from here
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08:32:06	[Saint]	"1 (one) - First Born Child; Sex (any)"
08:32:16	foolsh	lol
08:32:57	[Saint]	I tried shipping a Nano 2G to France once, even had it tracked, and it just vanished into a black hole.
08:33:41	[Saint]	Cost me seventeen bajillion Euros to lose a device in the ether.
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08:35:45	foolsh	about $25 US to ship
08:36:32	[Saint]	Hmmm. Not as bad as I thought.
08:37:03	foolsh	More than the device is worth ;-)
08:37:38	foolsh	Well, depending on the sucker who's buying it
08:38:12	[Saint]	Strife89 loves WinCE/Palm stuff.
08:38:23	[Saint]	He's got quite the Palm collection.
08:39:11	*	[Saint] just has two palms, with added accessories - fingers and thumbs.
08:39:31	foolsh	lmao, did not see that one coming
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09:00:29	foolsh	[Saint]: If I can come up with the extra 25 I'll ship it, but sorry don't hold your breath, I just got one big ass bill paid off that almost broke my ass, but I'll see what I can do
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10:24:38	gevaerts	jhMikeS: the trimming doesn't only happen for m3u
10:24:55	gevaerts	It also happens for adding a file to the playlist, i.e. starting playback
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11:09:45	kugel	why trim at all?
11:11:11	gevaerts	We've always trimmed at the end
11:12:29	gevaerts	That seems reasonable to me. I can imagine people inadvertently adding whitespace to playlist lines, and if it's deliberate the file won't have a recognised extension anyway
11:14:03	wodz	pamaury: ping
11:23:24	jhMikeS	gevaerts: seems like a preference really though normally I'd expect a non-quoted path to have its outer whitespace trimmed, which is basically what everything does
11:26:29	pamaury	wodz: pong
11:26:38	pamaury	wodz: any news regarding qeditor ?
11:26:48	pamaury	I have more debugging suggestion if you have time to try
11:27:20	wodz	pamaury: googling shows that this might be related to the bug in file chooser widget in particular qt version
11:27:33	wodz	pamaury: I can try something
11:28:06	pamaury	I doubt it, I think it's related to libxml2
11:28:21	gevaerts	jhMikeS: how do you quote a path in the file browser?
11:28:35	wodz	pamaury: I am looking also how to set 'Register Tab' label to the filename explored but I am not good at oo world unfortunately
11:28:59	wodz	pamaury: Ok, if you have something to try I can do this now
11:29:14	pamaury	hum, not sure it will be easy to change the tab name given how the code is written
11:29:33	pamaury	could you try g#966
11:29:36	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #966 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/966 : regtools: fix libsocdesc library by Amaury Pouly
11:29:42	gevaerts	jhMikeS: right now you just can't play a file in rockbox if the name starts with space
11:30:45	pamaury	wodz: I'm interested in what is printed in the console
11:30:55	wodz	one sec
11:31:21	wodz	pamaury: I left the comment on gerrit
11:31:46	wodz	pamaury: although gerrit decided to f*** up formating
11:31:58	pamaury	ok, wait a sec, uploading a new patch with more debug
11:33:28	pamaury	wodz: try patchset 3
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11:33:51	pamaury	this way we can check if the crash is caused by the xml parser or not
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11:36:39	wodz	pamaury: http://pastie.org/9558403
11:37:02	pamaury	ok weird, it's not in the parser
11:37:11	pamaury	damn, and the backtrace is completely helpless
11:37:41	wodz	I forgot one printf in ctor
11:38:11	pamaury	ah yeah this one is important
11:38:30	jhMikeS	gevaerts: I herby doth quote: " /spacey/path " :) Of course it could just be treated in a playlisty-readey vs. file-browsery way
11:38:55	pamaury	wodz: to change the tab name, I'll upload a new patch so you can try and play with it
11:38:56	jhMikeS	*file-browsery-wowsery :
11:41:54	wodz	pamaury: http://pastie.org/9558417
11:42:38	pamaury	ok, so the bug is not in the parser, that only makes it harder to find :(
11:42:50	wodz	pamaury: so it looks correct (init is at the very beginning) and not related to xml parsing
11:43:11	pamaury	wodz: could you run qeditor in gdb and when it crashes backtrace all threads
11:43:35	wodz	how do I do that?
11:45:47	wodz	pamaury: http://pastie.org/9558420
11:46:10	pamaury	thread apply all backtrace
11:46:15	pamaury	oh you figured out before me ;)
11:47:29	pamaury	damn, this is gonna be hard, I guess some code touches some thread specific storage or something which only later triggers the crash
11:47:54	pamaury	I have a new try to suggest
11:48:32	pamaury	wait a sec
11:49:10	pamaury	in regedit.cpp, line 1057
11:49:30	pamaury	replace m_cur_socfile = SocFile(filename); by m_cur_socfile = SocFile();
11:50:18	pamaury	when you try to open the file, it should display a warning message telling you it failed and I hope not crash
11:50:45	wodz	yes, it works just as you described
11:51:35	pamaury	so no crash ?
11:51:44	wodz	no crash
11:52:29	pamaury	ok, now right after the line you modified, remove the if() { } so that the error message is not displayed
11:53:25	wodz	no crash
11:53:56	pamaury	ok so the crash is either indirectly related to the parsing, or related to the display of non-empty file
11:54:21	pamaury	wait a sec, I will upload a new patch
11:54:33	wodz	I can try to craft empty desc file and we will see
11:57:01	pamaury	wodz: see patchset 4
11:57:10	pamaury	the idea is to crafy a soc desc programmatically
11:57:19	pamaury	I put the code to create the soc and one reg
11:57:39	pamaury	if that's not enough, try to incrementally build it up: one register, one field, one value
11:58:00	pamaury	then start putting several register locations for the register, and several locations for the device
11:58:19	pamaury	the structure is described in regtools/lib/soc_desc.hpp
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12:01:07	wodz	pamaury: I created desc file with only <xml> and <soc></soc> and this crashes
12:01:16	wodz	I'll try your approach now
12:05:34	wodz	pamaury: patchset 4 does not crash and creates VCHIP->NUCLEAR structure :-)
12:05:54	pamaury	hum, now is becoming weird, so it may be related to parsing in the end
12:06:06	pamaury	when you did your check, did you put the xml file in the desc/ directory ?
12:06:11	wodz	yes
12:06:26	pamaury	can you try to put it elsewhere please so it's not loaded on startup ?
12:07:49	wodz	it was not loaded on startup as I named it empty.xml while only regs-xxx.xml are loaded on startup
12:08:35	wodz	pamaury: ^
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12:09:43	pamaury	ok
12:10:42	pamaury	now, back to lib/soc_desc.cpp, edit soc_desc_parse_xml() this way:
12:11:05	pamaury	ok stop, I now what the problem is, I'm really really dumb
12:11:20	pamaury	remove xmlCleanupParser(); from lib/soc_desc.cpp: soc_desc_parse_xml()
12:14:50	wodz	yeah, that helps
12:14:55	wodz	:-)
12:15:17	pamaury	patchset 5 of g#966 should work now :)
12:15:19	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #966 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/966 : regtools/soc_desc: fix libxml2 misinit by Amaury Pouly
12:15:38	pamaury	I'm sooooooooo stupid
12:16:03	pamaury	wodz: can you just check patchset 5 and if that's ok I'll push
12:16:42	wodz	yes, that is basically what I am running now (I guess printfs are of no importance)
12:16:47	pamaury	sure
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12:17:03	pamaury	good
12:17:24	pamaury	I'll try to send you a patch for tabs renaming, it's not that trivial given the code
12:17:40	pamaury	brb
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12:58:12	kugel	perhaps related to the removal of IO priority?
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13:44:56	pixelma	serious question: it is possible to set the A-B repeat mode in the Android app (I'm assuming on all touch screen targets), but I don't see how I'd be able to set the A and B markers. Is this a bug or am I missing something?
13:59:45	dfkt	just a guess/workaround, pixelma - could you assign the A-B markers on the quickscreen?
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14:12:20	pixelma	I'm not sure how you mean this. If I understand you correctly there would neet to be a settinge "Set A marker" and "Set B marker" in the Repeat mode menu, but there isn't currently. On button targets you either control those markers from the WPS (IIRC), on some that's even a dedicated button for the A marker, another one for the B marker. On targets with fewer buttons there's one button whose function cycles through setting A marker, B marker and
14:12:20	pixelma	reset both (again IIRC).
14:13:43	pixelma	I don't even use that function outside testing purposes but wondered how it worked on touchscreen when seeing that RaaA cabbie lets me enable A-B repeat
14:14:19	pixelma	(also for completeness of my own theme)
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15:14:19	ploco	ZincAlloy: g#967
15:14:22	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #967 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/967 : Android: resume_playback by long press on the back button. by Chiwen Chang
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15:24:57	ploco	no worries :) since I need the same function for the next theme too.
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16:00:24	ZincAlloy	we could reconsider long press on menu as well. context menu sure is an intuitive function, but you'd get the same result with a long touch on any object. not sure what would be a more appropriate choice, though. Maybe quick screen?
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18:44:46	Guest2973	Hello! Could somebody take a look over a theme issue please? I've spent ages looking and debugging in the simulator but I have no explanation...
18:45:01	Guest2973	It's related to SugarBrown on the Clip Zip: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1656&target=sansaclipzip
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18:47:19	copper	Guest2973: what's the issue? What version of Rockbox are you running?
18:48:35	Guest2973	The latest version using the simulator.
18:48:39	Guest2973	The issue with the theme is:
18:48:41	copper	define "latest"
18:49:28	Guest2973	According to the sim 'Rockbox Info' screen 1bc89bd-140823
18:50:03	Guest2973	The issue is with the two vertical bars used for the volume and battery levels (extreme left and right of the middle of the WPS screen, respectively).
18:50:41	copper	okay
18:50:52	Guest2973	They work correct but when at the minimum values they glitch slightly... It's easiest to demonstrate with the volume. Take the volume down and when you get near the bottom the volume level will right off but then if you go lower (-70) the level will actually go up 1px.
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18:51:01	Guest2973	Going further down the level goes back down again.
18:51:14	copper	I've seen that happening
18:51:21	Guest2973	I hope this is clear explanation (hard to describe). Real easy to reproduce in the sim though.
18:51:50	copper	that happens with vertical bars
18:51:53	Guest2973	(Both battery and volume do it but clearly it's easier to reproduce in the volume due to the control).
18:51:58	Guest2973	Oh..
18:52:01	Guest2973	Any fix/work around?
18:52:15	copper	dunno, I should have reported it myself
18:52:20	Guest2973	Note that if I 'invert' these vertical bars the issue does not show
18:52:29	Guest2973	So I think it's a combination of vertical bars and non-invert
18:52:43	Guest2973	(but I do not want to use invert as I want discharge to reduce rather than increase)
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18:54:23	copper	http://outpost.fr/tmp/6eu.png/
18:54:26	copper	http://outpost.fr/tmp/pFf.png/
18:54:46	copper	load each one in their own tab, switch between tabs to see the difference
18:54:53	Guest2973	Yes I see.
18:54:55	Guest2973	Same issue.
18:55:02	Guest2973	So I guess it's not a theme issue, then.
18:55:03	copper	the bottom of the bar goes up (where it shouldn't be) and back down (where it should be)
18:55:28	copper	(note the time values)
18:55:43	Guest2973	Yep
18:55:48	Guest2973	It's the exact same problem.
18:55:54	copper	yeah I figured
18:56:05	copper	let me take a look at the theme markup
18:56:40	Guest2973	I did work around it by using two different viewports - One using the bar and one with a static image of an empty volume level and then load the latter at a certain volume level.
18:57:22	Guest2973	It works but it's clunky and I don't like it - Not least because it's hard for others to understand why (comments aside) and also if/when the underlying bug is fixed I'll need to remember to go back and remove the hack. So I think I'd rather stick with the bug for now.
18:57:51	Guest2973	Real shame though, I've been working on a derivative of that theme for ages and it's the only thing left bugging me :)
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19:00:42	copper	I think it's just a bug
19:00:49	copper	changing the markup doesn't fix it
19:01:00	Guest2973	Yep, I've tried that for ages.
19:01:07	copper	I'll file a bug report
19:01:16	copper	since I have an account, and those screenshots
19:01:27	copper	Do you want me to mention your theme?
19:01:43	Guest2973	It's not my theme :) But sure, include it as an example
19:01:45	Guest2973	Your call
19:01:48	copper	ok
19:01:52	Guest2973	I don't think it can be fixed in the theme, but I guess there might be a work around ???
19:02:09	copper	if it's a bug, it needs to be fixed
19:09:04	copper	hold on
19:12:16	Guest2973	Oh?
19:12:32	copper	FS #12998
19:12:33	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12998 Vertical progress bar (%pb) glitches at the start of a song (bugs, unconfirmed)
19:12:50	copper	just wanted to check if you'd like to add something to the bug report
19:13:27	copper	feel free to bookmark that page to check for progress, if any
19:14:02	Guest2973	Great, I'll keep an eye out
19:14:16	Guest2973	It's not just progress bar though
19:14:28	copper	if you create an account, you can "vote" for it and be notified of changes
19:14:31	Guest2973	Volume and battery bars also but I guess internally they're drawn similarly
19:14:33	Guest2973	Oh okay
19:14:41	Guest2973	Sounds good.
19:14:48	copper	I'll add that
19:16:13	copper	comment added
19:19:17	Guest2973	I've added a vote and minor comment (you've already covered everything mainly).
19:19:57	Guest2973	Can you think of any relatively elegant ways to solve this problem as a workaround? (Other than the 2 viewport method using a static image for when the bar is below a certain point)?
19:20:29	copper	I don't really care to work around it, to be honest
19:20:54	Guest2973	Fair enough
19:20:54	copper	and I can't think of anything right now
19:21:00	Guest2973	Thank you for your help :)
19:21:12	Guest2973	At least I can be confident it's not an issue in the theme, which is enough for me right now
19:22:03	Guest2973	Also, if I want to release my own theme how specific do I need to be when it comes to referencing others work I've used... If I've resized or otherwise modified (but started from) others themes and/or images?
19:22:25	Guest2973	Is it okay to say 'Images and backdrop modified from SugarBrown' as an example, or do I need to be more specific?
19:22:38	copper	yeah sure
19:22:48	copper	mention the original theme and its author
19:22:58	Guest2973	(Because I cannot remember exactly what I've done - I just know I started with two different themes, merged them slightly and then slowly tweaked to the point that by now almost everything has been touched)
19:23:04	copper	all changes are fair game as long as you give credit
19:23:33	Guest2973	So long as I don't need to be as specific as 'this image was from this theme, this was from this other theme' etc.
19:23:36	copper	nah
19:24:07	Guest2973	Okay great, I certainly remember the two themes I started with (I've stared at them long enough by now!) so that should be fine. Might release it later as other than this bug I'm pretty happy.
19:24:42	Guest2973	Thanks for all of the help! :)
19:25:26	copper	sure
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19:29:43	copper	Guest2973: you could show a static image for the percentages that translate into a one pixel high bar, and the progress bar for higher percentages
19:30:15	Guest2973	I tried that but I could not get it to redraw without using a different (conditional) viewport
19:30:23	copper	it's a matter of calculating what max percentage matches one pixel high and what minimum percentage matches two pixels high
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19:30:42	copper	yeah you could use two different viewports
19:30:58	Guest2973	Yeah, to make it easier to work with to begin with I just tried 'use static image when <50% else draw bar'
19:31:05	copper	with a conditional statement testing the progress percentage value
19:31:20	Guest2973	But it acted pretty scewy unless I use a conditional viewport using the progress
19:31:24	Guest2973	Ah exactly, yes.
19:31:56	copper	But, meh.
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19:33:02	Guest2973	So that way works but kinda ugly and not elegant... I hoped I might be able to do something like: %?if(%bl,<=,10)<%xd(min_image)\|%bl(0,0,15,17,battery,vertical)>
19:33:07	Guest2973	But it didn't work well
19:33:21	Guest2973	So I tried the viewport approach but decided the 'bug' was the lesser of two evils.
19:33:46	copper	hehe
19:34:06	copper	last time I worked around theme bugs, it came back to bite me in the ass
19:34:24	Guest2973	Ah, I'll give it a miss then :) Already spent too long on it anyway.
19:35:11	Guest2973	I also tried making the bar flash (so when the battery was in the final 10% it'd flash) but also had some odd behaviour... And because I only had about 1px height to work with <10% battery it hardly made a difference anyway so I'll canned that.
19:35:27	Guest2973	None the less, I've been impressed with the theme scripting generally
19:35:29	Guest2973	Been pretty fun
19:35:49	copper	yeah it's fun to make your own theme
19:35:58	copper	just the way you like it
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19:48:38	ZincAlloy	it's even more fun when everybody else likes it :)
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22:27:49	ploco	ZincAlloy: don't be so sure about the Android themes....once they start to ask a port for every resolution. Its going to be a nightmare.
22:28:48	ZincAlloy	yup.. I have a 1080p one nearly ready..
22:29:44	ploco	that include common target:480x854, 540x960, 720x1280, 1080x1920 and not so common 480x800, 640x1280, 768x1024, 800x1280, 320x480, 240x320
22:30:19	ZincAlloy	that's plenty
22:30:27	gevaerts	You forgot a few, I think
22:30:40	gevaerts	Isn't 768x1280 also fairly common?
22:31:46	ploco	I've not get any request for 768x1280 before.
22:31:53	gevaerts	Also, for tablets you basically have the same range, except in landscape
22:32:27	ZincAlloy	easy fix: turn your tablet!
22:32:53	ploco	yeah, that really kills the moon, isn't it? :)
22:33:51	gevaerts	Oh, and of course you want a variety of font sizes with each resolution. Physical size can vary a lot :)
22:34:27	ploco	don't forget icons
22:34:46	ZincAlloy	my latest theme is pretty easy to adapt to different screen sizes
22:35:00	ZincAlloy	no gradients :D
22:35:16	ploco	man, just think about this bring back the bad memory.
22:35:32	ZincAlloy	yeah, porting cabbie was a nightmare
22:36:42	ploco	eh? you tried?
22:37:18	ZincAlloy	not to android
22:37:41	ploco	that theme wasn't complex compare with some RCC theme.
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22:38:11	ZincAlloy	it wasn't complex, but bad enough
22:38:39	gevaerts	Are you saying cabbiev2 was bad? ;)
22:38:51	ZincAlloy	too many graphics. and those had to be placed on the gradient backdrop and exported individually every time
22:39:01	ZincAlloy	it was made too look appealing
22:39:25	ploco	man~ you should read my wps. 1000+ lines, that's bad
22:39:26	ZincAlloy	Unfortunately ease of portability suffered a bit :D
22:39:30	ZincAlloy	ouch
22:39:57	ZincAlloy	gotta say, cabbiev2 wasn't bad for my first theme, though :D
22:42:36	gevaerts	On decent screens it's a good theme I think
22:42:48	gevaerts	On c200 the dark backgrounds are horrible though
22:43:13	ZincAlloy	my player at that time was an iriver h340
22:43:29	ploco	http://pan.baidu.com/s/1eQH0rcu#dir/path=%252F0713 try the apk in 0823 folder with the themes_0713.zip, the most complicated theme in your life.
22:43:45	pixelma	Don't forget adapting to greyscale displays (with corrections by hand) and monochrome with non-square pixels!
22:44:33	ploco	pixelma, that sounds very tough.
22:44:52	ZincAlloy	yeah. it was a pain. but people were excited about it.
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22:47:32	ploco	seeing people make their own theme would excited me more
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22:49:00	ZincAlloy	once the android builds get the memory size increase, large targets will be easier to theme :)
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22:50:16	pixelma	I wasn't that excited, just thought that if I wouldn't do it, there would only be a badly scaled version of the graphics (like e.g. the tango icons still are). And I admit enjoying the challenge in making small graphics a bit
22:50:47	ZincAlloy	:)
22:51:01	ZincAlloy	at least it got things done
22:51:31	ZincAlloy	we could still be arguing about which theme would be the best for a default :D
22:52:19	ploco	pixelma is stand for the pixel art master? :)
22:54:40	pixelma	:)
22:55:59	ploco	I'm waiting for [Saint] 's new theme. It's going to be the last theme I would ever port
22:56:33	gevaerts	Has [Saint] actually ever finished a theme? :)
22:56:54	ZincAlloy	I kept using cabbiev2 exclusively until I got an android target. I didn't even have the desire to make a nice cabbiev2 for that one.. I immediately put together something new and touch friendly
22:56:58	ZincAlloy	:D
22:58:56	ploco	gevaerts: good point. (note to myself, as soon as seem a sbs code, should consider its finish and start the porting)
22:59:23	ZincAlloy	[Saint] must be working on the ultimate theme..
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23:00:14	ploco	cabbiev2 wasn't user friendly for android I tell you. jumps between sbs and wps like crazy
23:02:16	gevaerts	Ah, but original cabbiev2 didn't have an sbs :)
23:02:25	ZincAlloy	it's whatever you make of it. maybe I should go ahead try to make a nice port..
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23:02:54	ZincAlloy	was sbs even a thing when we made cabbiev2?
23:03:04	gevaerts	No
23:03:43	ZincAlloy	I guess that came shortly after. I guess we were lucky :D
23:04:13	ZincAlloy	just imagine: more icons on a different gradient...
23:04:18	gevaerts	:)
23:04:37	gevaerts	skinned lists are even more fun though
23:05:10	pixelma	I'm just annoyed about android cabbiev2's "OSD" because the touch regions already "active" even if I don't see the overlay thing (at least on my phone's screen). So if I touch the screen somewhere it's possible that I accidentally enter the quick screen without me wanting that result
23:05:28	ploco	I actually use skinned list a lot
23:05:50	ZincAlloy	I'm looking up skinned lists right now :D
23:05:55	gevaerts	ploco: make an android port of medieval or wavy!
23:06:01	pixelma	Well, "just". It's not that I'd use it otherwise anyway...
23:07:20	ploco	I will try but might look funny
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23:08:04	pixelma	Oh, and what I've already mentioned today about A-B repeat and haven't gotten an answer about it being a bug or me missing something
23:08:41	gevaerts	ploco: if you manage to get wavy working well on android, I'll buy you several beers :)
23:08:58	ZincAlloy	speaking of A-B repeat: the keymap for that on clip zip is quite horrible
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23:09:44	ploco	ZincAlloy: http://pastebin.com/PtJXd4b6 this is one of my skinned list code
23:10:16	ZincAlloy	do we really need that many keys for that? couldn't we just use the down button to set a, then set b and finally to drop the loop again?
23:10:35	gevaerts	ploco: ah, I see you're going down that messy path already :)
23:10:55	ZincAlloy	I don't get it. but I don't speak skinned lists yet
23:11:32	gevaerts	ZincAlloy: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1543
23:11:42	gevaerts	That's what you can do with modern theming :)
23:12:15	gevaerts	Or http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1535
23:12:17	*	scorche\|sh find someone else who lives in Gent
23:12:20	ZincAlloy	I know, we've been discussing it when I wanted to make a full screen album art theme with semi transparent overlays and text over that
23:12:23	scorche\|sh	s/find/finds/
23:12:34	gevaerts	Ah, yes
23:13:25	ZincAlloy	the medieval one is pretty cool
23:13:40	gevaerts	It is. Unfortunately it's unreadable :)
23:14:20	ZincAlloy	you mean you had real world useability in mind when you made these?
23:14:40	gevaerts	Of course!
23:14:43	gevaerts	:)
23:15:43	ploco	skinned lists basically is use %Lb to split and format the %Vi area. ( name 'a' size 705x100)
23:15:54	ZincAlloy	who did you design medieval for? time travellers?
23:16:32	gevaerts	Survivors from another time
23:18:20	gevaerts	But at least it has an excuse for having a coarse volume indicator :)
23:18:48	ZincAlloy	it's very extraordinary
23:19:52	*	gevaerts takes that as a compliment :)
23:20:03	ZincAlloy	it is :)
23:20:28	gevaerts	Just go over the theme site and look at all the boring left to right progress bars!
23:20:52	ZincAlloy	that progress bar is genius!
23:21:13	gevaerts	It took a bit of time to get right
23:21:30	ZincAlloy	we need more freaky progress bars
23:21:41	ZincAlloy	rats moving towards a trap and stuff
23:21:59	gevaerts	hmmmm
23:21:59	ZincAlloy	rockets flying towards the moon
23:22:10	*	gevaerts starts considering a cheese based theme
23:22:20	ZincAlloy	LOL. perfect
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23:23:13	gevaerts	Maybe cheese as the battery, slowly being eaten by rats, which then operate the lot
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23:24:08	gevaerts	With a treadmill somewhere
23:24:40	ZincAlloy	gotta save that up for the hamster theme
23:25:21	gevaerts	Hmmm, maybe you could have the album art covered by an image that varies over time (let's call it a progress bar!) so the AA fades in or out
23:25:32	gevaerts	(not for the rat theme)
23:25:51	ZincAlloy	or make it a jigsaw puzzle!
23:26:41	gevaerts	With the AA? I don't think you can, unfortunately
23:26:49	gevaerts	Well, I can't think how, anyway
23:27:02	ZincAlloy	you'd find a way
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23:33:46	[Franklin]	saratoga: I think I can fix the warnings by replacing #if LCD_DEPTH > 1 with HAVE_LCD_COLOR
23:37:49	[Franklin]	btw, g922 fails on fm rec with undefined references in settings.c
23:37:52	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #922 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/922 : three new DSPs (WIP) by Chiwen Chang
23:38:43	ploco	which target?
23:38:49	[Franklin]	FM recorder
23:39:06	[Franklin]	sim build
23:39:30	gevaerts	That means there's a few #ifndef HWCODECs missing
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23:40:11	[Franklin]	Is LCD_RGBPACK only defined with HAVE_LCD_COLOR?
23:41:22	[Franklin]	but seriously... screw the archos devices, their over 10 years old!
23:41:57	scorche\|sh	arent most of the devices we support at this point?
23:42:04	[Franklin]	yes...
23:42:05	[Franklin]	:)
23:42:30	[Franklin]	But still... the archos ones are the oldest
23:42:58	*	[Franklin] thinks a 10-year service life is well sufficient
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23:51:43	ender\|	i think my iHP-120 is 10 years old...
23:51:58	ploco	found the mistake. fix is on the way
23:52:01	[Franklin]	yay
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23:52:17	[Franklin]	just an #ifndef/#endif?
23:53:51	ploco	nope. dsp_pbe_precut(global_settings.pbe_precut); dsp_pbe_enable(global_settings.pbe); needs to be within #if CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC
23:54:24	[Franklin]	ahh... I remember that from the CHIP8 patch
23:54:36	[Franklin]	you can't use #ifndef HWCODEC
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23:58:00	ploco	glad you point it out. else would get blame again XP
23:58:47	[Franklin]	[Saint]: http://img.docstoccdn.com/thumb/orig/47374556.png

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