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#rockbox log for 2014-10-05

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00:49:13*[Franklin] gives up on wolf for now...
00:49:28[Franklin]perhaps something REALLY simple
00:51:30*[Franklin] obviously sucks at porting
00:52:06[Franklin]perhaps a checkdisk plugin?
00:52:12*[Franklin] really needs that
00:53:49[Franklin]or this:,42476.0.html
00:53:52[Franklin]as a TSR plugin?
00:58:23[Franklin]or I could always fix XRick up
01:06:15[Franklin]Does yield(HZ/1000) do any good?
01:06:21[Franklin]sorry, sleep(HZ/1000)
01:07:08gevaertsdefine "good"
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01:35:02[Franklin]gevaerts: does it do anything useful? I know it syncs to tics
01:35:24[Franklin]here's the whole code:
01:35:25[Franklin]void sys_yield(void)
01:35:25[Franklin]{ rb->sleep(HZ / 1000); /* sleep 1 ms */ rb->yield();
01:35:26DBUGEnqueued KICK [Franklin]
01:35:43gevaerts[Franklin]: what do you expect HZ/1000 to evaluate to?
01:36:21[Franklin]which syncs to tic
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01:36:50[Franklin]so it randomly sleeps between 0 and 10 ms?
01:36:54[Franklin]very useful.
01:38:13gevaertsIt's basically the same as yield()
01:38:52[Franklin]so I should just take it out?
01:38:58gevaertsI can't imagine why you'd want to yield() twice
01:39:03[Franklin]Xrick code
01:39:15[Franklin]not mine :)
01:39:41gevaertsThen you have your first review comment ready
01:40:14[Franklin]for the list?!
01:40:21[Franklin]ok, sure
01:40:29gevaertsWherever you like
01:40:39CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:40:39*[Franklin] is waiting for it to go on gerrit
01:40:52[Franklin]MUCH easier that way
01:41:04*gevaerts basically ignores the thing as long as it's not on gerrit
01:42:32*[Franklin] too
01:42:41[Franklin]till now
01:54:56*[Franklin] waits and sees if he's being blocked from the list
01:55:03[Franklin]nope! it worked! :)
01:56:36[Franklin]or did it?
02:02:04[Franklin]ugh... can't send to the list
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02:44:17[Franklin]gevaerts: since the original author hasn't pushed his xrick code yet, could I start my own task for it on gerrit?
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03:12:04[Franklin]weird... the hold button's not doing anything
03:12:09[Franklin]changes the GPIO though
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03:12:26[Franklin]GPIO flips from FC to D4 when it's on, and vice-versa
03:12:32[Franklin]but nothing happens
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03:12:45[Franklin]backlight stays on, and doom doesn't go to the menu
03:13:04[Franklin]hold button acts like it should
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09:43:14wodz[Franklin]: You really should start with something simple. You produce lots of unnecessary buzz which really has no chance to yield anything useful. You should understand the basics of embedded programming first. There is a reason why we don't support C++ nor regular malloc.
09:46:10*[Saint] is still waiting for:
09:46:15[Saint]A - the Linux port
09:46:26[Saint]B: - the entirely new OS port designed from scratch
09:46:33[Saint]C - The A.I.
09:46:41[Saint]...I'm sure there's more.
10:00:33wodz[Franklin]: Everything in embedded world is a compromise unless we talk about recentish smartphones which are much more like real PC.
10:02:13wodz[Saint]: could you please retest latest usb driver incarnation on 6g and n2g? It doesn't work on 7's ipod and I am interested if this is general or you have some super special device which does not have any problem.
10:09:05copperon emCORE or Rockbox?
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10:19:11TheSevencopper: rockbox freezes on usb insertion on mine
10:19:54TheSevenbut only with wodz's driver changes, although I failed to find the cause
10:20:15TheSevenI have an exam on tuesday, might be able to finally look into that afterwards
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10:28:04copperyou guys should have released Rockbox 3.14 after kugel's fixes to the theme engine
10:28:41coppernow there's a whole new bunch of stuff that's more or less buggy, untested and / or unfinished, and it's going to drag on for months
10:29:58coppernot that I don't appreciate all the work you guys put into it, but you really missed a good window of opportunity for publishing a new stable release
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10:30:41copperbefore, I could just tell people to use HEAD
10:31:01coppernow I have to tell them to use a specific build that I know to work, between 3.13 and HEAD
10:32:12[Saint]You say that like no one tried.
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10:32:22coppertried what?
10:32:35copperI'm not familiar with the process
10:35:12[Saint]We don't as yet have a nominated release manager, the one we _do_ have, has apparently left the project and not actually made the official.
10:36:17[Saint]Like, quite a few names, actually.
10:36:36[Saint]Daniel is the only one that's actually drawn a definite line in that sand.
10:37:18[Saint]People have been slowly falling off the project and neglecting to tell anyone whether ot not they would still like to be involved for a while now. Is what I meant.
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10:52:26TheSeven[Saint]: I think most people of that kind would actually still be interested if they just had the time, but have completely lost track what's going on in the meantime
10:53:05TheSevenI'm about to fall off that edge as well, which is one of the primary reasons why I'm trying to wrap up that ipod classic mess before that happens
10:53:19[Saint]Right. Good point. I guess would like to be involved is better changed to can actually be involved.
10:59:28TheSevenright now I have a dozen such projects waiting to be finished (with quite a bit of money invested in some of them), I'm going to have a fairly busy winter term at the university starting right after that exam, and I have a paid job that will take up quite some time from mid october to about the end of the year, not much time left :/
11:00:08TheSevenand in about a year or so I'll hopefully graduate, get a fulltime job, etc.
11:00:47copperI'm back to school myself
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11:01:04copperwith a minimum of 4 years
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11:48:29copperlol, prices for the discontinued iPod Classic have exploded
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11:48:33copper400-500 euros
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12:55:09drvinknever thought mine would be worth more than i bought it for
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13:14:52copperdrvink: those are prices for "new" units
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16:05:38DynionHey guys!
16:05:50Dynioni found something that may be interesting, but i'm left a little clueless
16:06:42Dynionis anyone accustomed to the red wine audio upgrade of the ipod 5.5g?
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16:18:46[Saint]Snake oil.
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16:24:51Dynionhow's that?
16:25:00Dyniona wolfson dac is pretty good...
16:25:15Dynion(not that a rockboxed classic isn't)
16:28:46[Saint]By all means, pay the ridiculous price and find out. ;)
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16:38:43copperDynion: the newer iPod Classic is actually better
16:38:48copperno bass roll-off
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16:40:54copperHead-Fi is bloody cancer
16:41:26Dynionnvm. i found out the wolfson dac is standard.
16:41:32Dynion@ saint
16:41:33[Saint]A fukken. Men.
16:41:50Dynionim afraid u guys have been right i bit too much to disagree
16:42:18Dynionone of u guys once said an ipod classic with rockbox is pretty much the best dap
16:42:36copperthe Cirrus Logic DAC in the iPod Classic outputs pretty much perfect 16 bit performance
16:42:38[Saint]My assumption reading it is he or she thought the aforementioned snake oil added said DAC.
16:43:02Dynionive recently listened to a fiio, and it barely beat my phone
16:43:12Dynionthose classics just keep dying on me, sadly
16:43:24Dynioneither headphone jack or harddisk.
16:43:45copper"5G / 5.5G iMods: Use of any other audio dock / cable may cause damage to amplifiers or associated equipment."
16:43:53copper"5G / 5/5G iMods require ALO Audio iMod dock cable*"
16:43:56copperthat's brilliant
16:44:07Dynionyeah, and the cable costs 200 $
16:44:09copperonly $195
16:44:16Dynionin how many views is that a fraud
16:44:17coppertotal scam
16:44:25Dynioni received the same cable with my fiio e11 xD
16:44:46[Saint]But it didn't have irrelevant caps added!
16:45:15[Saint] gate caps man...c'mon, they make everything better
16:45:17Dynione11 was a disappointment too btw... rockbox spoiledme
16:45:27[Saint]They turned my opus into WAV
16:45:37[Saint]True story.
16:46:09copper"A richer, more seductive midrange" -> Norah Jones gets all over you
16:46:55Dynionany advice on what to do then? sansa clip is a bit disappointing soundwise
16:47:05Dynionand ipod classics die on me all the time
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16:47:20copperdo you take them jogging?
16:47:36Dynionjogging, cycling
16:47:50copperyou're not supposed to take a heavy HDD-based DAP for jogging
16:48:16Dynionand i walk about 5 miles every day
16:48:39Dynionso headphone jack usually dies because of the constant movement
16:49:11copperI can't imagine how that would happen
16:49:24Dynionwell... im left with mono-audio
16:49:30copperanyway, portability-wise, can't beat the Clip+
16:49:57Dynionclip+ is a cool device, decent audio, and pretty much sizeless
16:50:15Dynionbut the classic is such a huge improvement
16:50:20copperover what?
16:50:25Dynionsound quality
16:50:35coppernot really, no
16:50:55[Saint]Yeah, no. Its really not.
16:51:01Dynioni had a clip (without the +)
16:51:05[Saint]An improvement, sure.
16:51:11copperand the iPod has higher output impedance
16:51:11[Saint]A huge one? No.
16:52:09Dynionis there a difference between clip and clip+?
16:52:21copperolder and newer
16:52:24[Saint]Need moar A+B device rmaa overlays.
16:52:35Dynionbecause clip sounded like a lovely mp3, and classic like hifi to me
16:52:46[Saint]Looking at two images is for plebs.
16:53:12Dynionbrb, got to go
16:53:22Dynioni'll try aniother sansa sometime
16:53:34__saratogaClip and classic are basically identical, although the classic goes 2 db or so louder
16:53:37Dynionill try & test another clip+
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16:54:18__saratogaPretty much all well made devices will be the same these days
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16:54:54__saratogaLow power audio DACs and headphone amps were figured out in the mid 2000s
16:55:03[Saint]Which is why its surprising the SanDisk players sound any good. ;)
16:55:27__saratogaSo unless they screw up badly there won't be much difference
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16:56:13__saratogaI guess some of the Sandisk players do have a bit of flash memory access noise which is annoying if you have very sensitive headphones
16:56:29__saratogaAlthough I haven't noticed that on the zip
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16:57:14coppersaratoga: bass roll-off and highish impedance still seems to be pretty common
16:58:16__saratogaOn newer stuff?
16:58:26coppersmartphones, notably
16:58:45[Saint]Bass rolloff for sure.
16:58:56copperalso, very low output (on smartphones, in the EU)
16:59:01__saratogaQualcomm is 99% of everything sold in the us and they're low impedance
16:59:15__saratogaDon't know about elsewhere
16:59:18coppermy Sony has a qualcom, and it's about 5 ohms
16:59:30copperand 0.135 Vrms max output
16:59:52__saratoga5 isn't low?
17:00:03coppernot low enough if you have stupid BA IEMs
17:00:10__saratogaOh yeah
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17:00:44[Saint]s/stupid/tot3z l337/
17:01:11__saratogaMy n5 also has a pretty low maximum volume
17:01:21copperand my Poweramp on my Xperia Z1 produces random glitches during playback
17:01:39__saratogaI'm assuming they moved to a 1.8 v or even lower supply voltage
17:02:13coppercase in point: it's 2014 but one still cannot trust modern devices for perfect playback
17:02:21copperexcept iPhones maybe
17:03:16copper(the Z1 is barely one year old)
17:03:27copperand the Sony Walkman app sucks ass
17:03:47copperI thought Sony was a bloody expert on portable devices for music?
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17:04:24[Saint]No. Hey just made a lot of them. Like SanDisk.
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17:04:46copperHad me fooled.
17:04:59[Saint]Making lots of something and being an expert therein don't necessarily go hand in hand.
17:05:15copperthey bloody co-invented the Compact Disc!
17:05:19__saratogaBAs are strange headphones though
17:05:36copper30 years ago!
17:05:51__saratogaFor even normal iems most phones are fine
17:05:52coppergapless, seemless, perfect playback
17:05:56copper30 years ago.
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17:06:43__saratogaGapless on CD was easy because its just one stream and tracks are implemented by jumping into it like a cue sheet
17:07:09[Saint]The constant skipping negated it anyway.
17:07:28[Saint](In a portable setting)
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17:07:41[Saint]Portable optical media was just...gah.
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17:10:10copperalso, Poweramp only shows one album when there are two albums or more in a list, with the same title
17:10:15coppere.g. "Greatest Hits"
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17:10:31copperand it still doesn't support Album Artist
17:10:41copperGoogle Play Music is useless
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17:11:33copperand one has to suffer lag in album lists while smartphone music player apps load cover artwork
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17:12:11coppernow I remember why I didn't own an MP3 player from 2002 to 2009
17:12:15copperbecause they sucked!
17:13:31copperbefore 2002, they sucked too, but they were novel
17:14:26copperwatching FiiO struggly with the firmwares of their audiophile MP3 players is like watching the evolution of mp3 players all over again
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17:20:21Dynionwhy dont you guys make rockbox for fiio (except for it being a lot ofwork)
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17:21:09Dynionseems like a more useful port than MPIO players for example
17:23:16Dynionpeople buying fiio's usually like audio quality, so rockbox may follow kinda naturally
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17:40:36Dynionhmmm. thats a pity. Clip+ doesnt use SDXC
17:42:36copperDynion: you have to format it as FAT32
17:42:44copperthen it works
17:43:11Dynionwith the full 64gb?
17:43:16Dynioncause that'd be really awesome
17:44:41Dynionah you're right... never thought that was possible
17:44:45copper128 gb too
17:44:52Dynionerr... not that you were right
17:44:57Dynionbut that sdxc might work
17:45:48Dynionare there any improvements from the clip sport vs clip +
17:45:56Dynion(probably not,but wont hurt to ask)
17:46:02copperit's actually much worse
17:46:16copperand practically unportable
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17:46:46Dynionexpected it to be practically the same deivce
17:46:54coppercompletely different
17:47:14Dynionthanks for the advice! i'll surely give it a shot, classics seem to be unsuited for my use
17:47:35coppergive what a shot?
17:52:13Dynionafter killing 6 classics in 2,5 year (ok, they were second hand, but still)
17:52:20[Franklin]Dynion: how?
17:52:24[Franklin]hard disk failure?
17:52:37Dynionanother player may be better
17:52:44Dynion1 doa
17:52:49*[Franklin] thinks classics are the best player
17:52:49Dynion3 jack ports
17:52:52Dynion2 hard disks
17:53:09Dynioni love the classic to franklin
17:53:14[Franklin]though Gigabeast S beats everything
17:53:49[Franklin]apparently it has realtime APE c5000 playback
17:54:03Dynioni saw a h320 too, looks cool, but still
17:54:06Dynionhard disk and stuff
17:54:11Dyniongotta go though, dinner!
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18:26:13DiaTommyHey guys
18:26:43DiaTommyIs there a stable version of rockbox for YP-R0 ?
18:28:51DiaTommyAnd to @Lebellium : How can i downgrade 2.20 down to 1.25? just putting the rom file into the play wont work, it gives me an error when installing
18:29:59lebelliumIt's stable enough for a daily use
18:30:20DiaTommydo you mean rockbox or 2.20?
18:30:30lebelliumwell, 2.20 too
18:31:12DiaTommyI used rockbox about 6 Months ago on my YP-R0, it kept crashing
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18:32:06lebelliumthen you should have reported the problem
18:32:20DiaTommyI could give rockbox another try if its better now
18:32:40lebelliumnothing has been done for R0 over the last 6 months AFAIK
18:33:12lebelliumanyway, why do you want to downgrade from fw 2.20 to 1.25?
18:34:09DiaTommywell, there are 2 problems:
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18:36:00DiaTommy1. The music i play sounds weird, there are parts of music which should be in other tracks in the track im listening and sometimes, it ends to soon and/or starts in the middle
18:36:19DiaTommyI listened to the music on windows, the files are not damaged
18:38:26DiaTommy2. After some time, the player with just stop playing music, saying "couldnt find file" and crashs
18:39:06DiaTommythen, when i try to start it, it would stay at the samsung logo until the batterie dies and then it works
18:39:18lebelliummaybe your filesystem is damaged
18:39:24lebelliumbut that has nothing to do with fw 2.20
18:39:28lebelliumit's the same as 1.25
18:40:50lebelliumyou should format the device
18:43:58DiaTommyokay, ntfs?
18:44:15lebelliumno way!
18:44:38lebelliumyou would never format a MP3 player in NTFS
18:44:42lebelliumunless you want a brick
18:45:00lebelliumit's FAT32
18:45:55DiaTommyoh okay, i have a unbrick-cable, that wouldnt be a problem :D
18:47:21DiaTommyIm gonna format it, put my music on it and test it, thank you
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19:03:22DiaTommyis it bad when i accidentally remove the player while formatting
19:03:29DiaTommybecause i just did...
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20:50:51saratogaapparently the AMSv2 PCLK really can be set to 120 MHz
20:51:13saratogabecause with that patch, Vorbis decoding goes from 49.81 MHz to just 20.93 MHz
20:51:54saratogaprobably due to that annoying MDCT optimization for PP that saves memory but makes memory access really random and cache defeating
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21:04:14juakoli'm having problems with my clip+. it won't boot official firmware
21:05:40saratogadoes it boot rockbox?
21:08:50juakolno sansa logo appears by pressing power+left buttons
21:12:00juakolit freezes and i have to reset it
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21:16:34wodzsaratoga: Is mem bus derived from PCLK on amsv2?
21:17:29saratogawodz: yeah
21:17:58wodzsaratoga: so 120MHz sounds reasonable
21:18:00saratogajuakol: I guess you could try to check the disk for errors in rockbox
21:18:11saratogawodz: on v1 at least, 60MHz was the max in the datasheet
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21:21:49wodzsaratoga: uhh, 60MHz is terribly low for clocking sdram
21:22:17saratogaits some internal memory
21:23:16wodzits either sram or sdram. For both 60MHz is low
21:23:50juakolsaratoga windows shows there are no errors to fix
21:24:38juakolshould I try on Linux?
21:24:54saratogai don't think thats going to help
21:25:20saratogasorry, no idea how to fix this
21:26:48juakolcould the sansa ams unbrick method fix the problem?
21:27:57gevaertsI wouldn't try that
21:28:04saratogayeah you'll probably just destroy the player
21:28:48gevaerts*maybe* formatting the thing could help (this could be an issue with the OF's database or something like that), but if it doesn't you might also be in trouble
21:31:15juakoldo you mean to format internal storage?
21:31:45juakolok im gonna try
21:32:17gevaertsMake sure you reinstall rockbox immediately
21:32:38gevaertsI *think* there's bootloader USB mode on the clip+
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21:38:12juakoldidn't work
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21:57:35juakolis there any way to access the nand files?
22:05:38saratogaNAND is just ones and zeros, no files there
22:06:06saratogain this case though, the memory is SD, so you can't access the underlying NAND
22:06:19saratogathe unbrick method lets you have raw access to the the SD though
22:25:14DiaTommyI accidentally removed my YP-R0 while formatting and it wont start
22:25:54lebelliumI can't help you particularly
22:26:02lebelliumthat's IT in general, not rockbox specific
22:26:34lebelliumhopefully the unbrick cable may help you
22:26:41juakolsaratoga i meant to restore the nand or something like that
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22:28:10DiaTommyyou mean unbricking it?
22:28:20DiaTommyor just connecting?
22:28:29DiaTommyoh man...
22:28:54lebelliumunbricking it will format both the user and the hidden memory
22:29:18DiaTommyCan i unbrick with win7?
22:29:32lebelliumjust read the tutorial
22:30:14lebelliumagain that's not rockbox specific
22:30:23lebelliumand you are on the #rockbox channel
22:30:32DiaTommyoh, im sorry
22:30:59*[Franklin] keeps wondering how to add nicer animations to 2048
22:31:11[Franklin]2 months now, and I still don't know how
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22:39:41[Franklin]ahh... perhaps I could just start out by drawing newly merged tiles 10% bigger?
22:41:37[Franklin]hmm... that seems like it could work
22:46:18[Franklin]how do I allocate the memory I need for the scaled bitmap?
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22:47:51saratogaeither statically at compile time, or dynamically using the pluginlib malloc
22:49:46*[Franklin] thinks statically will be fine
22:50:01[Franklin]ahh... allocate the array first, then set the pointer in the struct! :O
22:54:02[Franklin]ahh... allocate the array first, then set the pointer in the struct! :O
22:56:33[Franklin]ahh... prefetch abort
22:57:57[Franklin]it'd be nice if I could get a stack dump
23:00:14[Franklin]any way I can?
23:02:32[Franklin]compiler doesn't know the signature unless you include the header!
23:03:08*[Franklin] expected that was handled during linking
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23:23:34[Franklin]weird... it's not scaling
23:24:28[Franklin]or if it is, it's not doing it right
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23:29:06[Franklin]well... the scaled tiles look *terrible*!
23:29:30[Franklin]even just 10%!
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23:38:25[Franklin]found that bug!
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23:48:10[Franklin]aww it's flickering
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23:51:44[Franklin]??? it's drawing the scaled tiles only on the left side???
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