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#rockbox log for 2014-10-10

00:00:48[Saint]In the (probably rare) event that a user may want to exceed 0dB, then they could do so trivially.
00:06:21copperwhy is it possible to go beyond 0 dB to begin with?
00:06:46copperif the answer is "replaygain", then the preamp functionality is sufficient
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00:09:18copperin other words, boosting volume should be limited to specific functionality, rather than general volume control
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00:13:26copperEQ "precut" is similar to RG preamp
00:13:41copperboth cases that I can think of
00:14:52coppergoing beyond 0 dB should not be done without special consideration, which implies understanding the need for it in special cases
00:15:25coppercases that are already covered with their own functionality for boosting volume
00:15:39[Saint]I honestly don't know why we can exceed 0dB.
00:15:51[Saint]But, there's likely some reason...I dunno.
00:16:07[Saint]I would definitely like to disallow Joe Average from easily doing so, though.
00:16:31copperdefaulting "max volume" to 0 dB would be an (easy) step forward
00:16:52[Saint]Yes. That's exactly what I would like to do.
00:16:58copperyou've got my vote
00:17:00coppergood night
00:17:27[Saint]o/
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02:04:18[Franklin][Saint]: I think it would be very difficult to make the whole BMP compression transparent to the plugin
02:04:26[Franklin]so I think the plugin should do the decompression
02:04:46[Franklin]but what if the plugin doesn't want the overhead? where can I make it so that some bitmaps are compressed and others are not?
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02:23:08[Franklin]make -j3
02:28:04[Franklin]woohoo 40k 2048 binary!@
02:28:12[Franklin]with compression of tiles and background
02:28:23[Franklin]80% file size reduction
02:34:19[Franklin]still not 100% lossless though
02:34:54[Franklin]found the 1st bug already!
02:43:56[Franklin]TBH, it looks like JPEG :)
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02:45:57[Franklin]or just use DEFLATE?
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03:15:19nialv7who is familar with the usb stack?
03:15:27nialv7I have a problem
03:18:13[Franklin]nialv7: possibly gevaerts, he wrote a major part of it
03:18:49nialv7[Franklin], but he's not online...
03:18:56[Franklin]then wait :)
03:19:04[Franklin]or ask someone else
03:19:21nialv7[Franklin], like who?
03:19:30[Franklin]IDK
03:20:50[Franklin][Saint]: it's 99% lossless now
03:20:58[Franklin]just some endianness issues
03:21:05[Franklin](which have been fixed)
03:21:16[Franklin]and borderline issues
03:25:18[Franklin](the uncompressed bitmap seems shifted 1px to the left)
03:27:18[Franklin]gnight all
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03:45:42nialv7ok I know where's the problem
03:45:54nialv7oops, no i dont
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08:30:31pamaurywodz (logs): great news for the e150 :)
08:30:53pamauryI should get my e100 next week, the guy told me he will send it today
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16:00:09ZincAlloyyesterday's build is giving me some troubles on clip zip. I've been getting the following error message every once in a while: "*panic* rm_handle fail :115 pc:30008800 sp:3 bt end"
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18:56:20pamauryyuriks: ping
18:56:51yurikspamaury: pong
18:57:19pamauryhey, I have some free time right now, have you done any work on usb audio at the moment ?
18:57:32yuriksnah, just reading specs and the rockbox code
18:58:02yuriksI don't really have time to implement things atm (in a company trip) but I was hoping to start messing with it in two weeks or so
18:58:23pamauryok, do you mind if I try to take my old code and make it compile/run with current code ?
18:58:29yuriksof course not
18:58:47pamauryI'm eager to play with the endpoint interval now that I've realised we don't need to rewrite the usb code :)
18:58:53yuriksehehe
18:59:02yuriksI realized my calculation from the other day was slightly incorrect
18:59:18yuriksspec says you can only send more than one packet in a transaction if your interval is 1
18:59:30yuriksso if you use a larger interval you're limited to 1024 bytes per transaction
18:59:38pamauryyes
18:59:40yurikswhich isn't a huge problem, since you don't want very large latency anyway
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19:00:15yuriksstill easily amounted to 4ms of buffering from my napkin calculation
19:00:31pamauryindeed, only interval 1 allows you to go up to 3096 transfers, so called "high bandwidth-high speed" endpoints, which are anyway only available at high speed so we should not depend on them
19:01:00pamauryI *think* usb audio should work at full speed too, I don't remember if the spec allows that
19:02:14yuriksI think it does, the 1.0 spec predates high speed
19:02:32yuriks(Audio Class 1.0, that is)
19:03:33pamauryyeah we should stick with 1.0 because I'm not sure windows implements 2.0 and even Linux got 2.0 support not so long ago, I'm not sure what the benefits are
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19:03:45yuriksmore complexity, probably :P
19:04:28pamauryprobably more effects and controllers, more flexibility yeah
19:07:12pamauryalso I didn't talked about it the other day but one of the goals of my audio code was to add support for more fancy things like:
19:07:12pamaury1) recording (should be easy)
19:07:12pamaury2) recorder source selection (should be doable in theory if I understand the spec, at worst we expose several recording source)
19:07:12DBUGEnqueued KICK pamaury
19:07:12pamaury3) radio recording ? (could be fun but radio frequency selection might be tricky)
19:07:12pamaury4) ADC recording (could be fun to monitor voltages/currents)
19:09:27yuriksADC recording is quite esoteric :)
19:10:05yuriksI think recording is a no-brainer, too, though I don't really care about it much
19:10:20yurikspamaury: worst case you have a UI on the device to select recording source
19:10:28yuriksespecially for radio tuning
19:11:17yuriksI mean, USB audio mode doesn't need to lock out the device like MSC does, so you could just capture the system audio output
19:12:42pamauryyeah indeed (which by the way triggers the interesting question of what happen if you try to play a song while usb audio is working...)
19:14:32yuriksprobably block *that*
19:14:45yuriksor mix it, but that's CPU consuming and I don't really see an use case
19:14:54pamauryah I just remember there is another potential problem with the current usb code: it doesn't support interface altsettings
19:15:02yuriksunless you're using it for PA-ing or something like that
19:19:24nialv7pamaury, hi, I captured a trace of the usb interaction.
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19:19:45pamaurynialv7: good, could you upload this somewhere ?
19:21:55nialv7pamaury, https://www.dropbox.com/s/owpzacnwidu9jt3/usb1.pcapng?dl=0
19:22:04nialv7pamaury, https://www.dropbox.com/s/4t6gsy590flkdwy/usb2.pcapng?dl=0
19:22:32pamauryok, what is the different between the two ?
19:25:58nialv7pamaury, usb2.pcapng is the continuation of usb1.pcapng
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19:27:57pamaurynialv7: thanks, I'll have a look later, I guess you captured the problem on wire so that somewhere it fails ?
19:28:20nialv7pamaury, you could look at the last few packets in usb1.pcapng
19:29:08nialv7pamaury, basicaly rockbox returns a Command failed (0x01), the host then send a request sense, then the pipe is stalled
19:30:45pamaurystrange, I should check the code to see what could possibly happen, the error handling of our mass storage code clearly deserves some improvements
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19:37:10yuriksI get USB disconnects *all the time* on my clip
19:37:13yuriksbut maybe it's my cable
19:37:51yuriksall the time being "need to try 5 times and then maybe it works once"
19:39:55pamauryyuriks: clip+ ?
19:41:16yuriksyeah
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19:41:51yuriksI think it's the cable though, since sometimes it always works, sometimes it never does
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19:42:10yuriksI started using the cable that came with the new clip I bought and haven't had problems, whereas before I was having problems all the time
19:42:11pamauryif it's clip+, it could be the driver, we always had problem with it
19:42:21pamauryits works for some people and random crashes for others
19:42:27yuriksmight be related to OS having been suspended, etc. too
19:43:02yurikspamaury: mine doesn't crash, it connects USB and then immediatelly disconnects. Sometimes (not most times) the clip freezes
19:43:19pamaurythat's more suspicious
19:43:27pamaurycable might be to blame indeed
19:44:01yuriksI rarely connect my clip except to charge (which works fine, holding down while plugging in), so it never bothered me much and I never paid attention to it
19:44:11yuriksI'll try using my old cable tonight and see if it comes back
19:54:14nialv7i was having similar problem with my ipod6g, yuriks. It connects then disconnect, repeats
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21:48:33Pierluigihi guys, does anyone know how to disable "poweroff on button hold" while running a plugin?
21:49:11pamauryPierluigi: not sure I understand what you mean
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