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| 00:41:10 | foolsh | [Franklin] It was just an idea I was throwing out there... |
| 00:43:19 | foolsh | Yeah it would be cool to integrate it all into the build system and have the option in rbutil to pick and choose |
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| 02:05:30 | [Franklin] | foolsh: the thing that contributes to .rock size is bitmaps, not code |
| 02:08:26 | [Franklin] | which is why clock is an order of magnitude bigger than xworld |
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| 02:20:22 | [Franklin] | foolsh: so how were you going to classify "extra" vs non-"extra" plugins? |
| 02:23:58 | foolsh | Oh, its not bin size that concerns, it was that once a plugin goes in the rockbox tree, its almost as if it become part of the core, needing rockbox porters to wade through useless demo after demo, plugin after plugin, if the plugins grow "too" big, I feel someone some where will wish people to stop adding games and stuff to the tree |
| 02:25:33 | foolsh | if it moves to a more modular work flow, it means less work porting to new hardware, and more freedom to add any amount of plugins |
| 02:26:21 | [Franklin] | foolsh: aha |
| 02:26:25 | [Franklin] | now I get it |
| 02:26:34 | [Franklin] | yeah, that would be a problem |
| 02:26:43 | [Franklin] | but then again, its nice for every rockbox install to have plugins |
| 02:26:53 | [Franklin] | no need to worry about needing to install "extras" each time |
| 02:27:34 | foolsh | when is the last time you needed bounce? |
| 02:27:39 | [Franklin] | foolsh: lol |
| 02:27:41 | [Franklin] | never |
| 02:27:57 | [Franklin] | yeah, I agree that at least some of the demos are *useless* |
| 02:28:04 | [Franklin] | I thought you were referring to the games |
| 02:28:19 | [Franklin] | foolsh: then the real problem is that plugins are not portable |
| 02:28:42 | [Franklin] | it should be that all that nothing needs to be changed from platform to platform |
| 02:28:51 | [Franklin] | not even keymaps |
| 02:28:57 | [Franklin] | but unfortunately, that's not possible |
| 02:29:25 | foolsh | It has many cavets |
| 02:32:15 | foolsh | yes extra-plugins would have to be maintained by the community, but as it is now themes are exactly that |
| 02:32:26 | foolsh | just a thought |
| 02:32:35 | foolsh | I'm never serious ;) |
| 02:32:42 | [Franklin] | foolsh: neither am I |
| 02:33:18 | [Franklin] | foolsh: I like it the way it is now |
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| 02:34:42 | foolsh | It would be nice to be able to just dump a source directory into plugins and get a compiled rock at ciimpile time with no other changes needed to rockbox |
| 02:36:26 | foolsh | set a few flags in a SOURCES file and tell the preprocessor to scan the whole directory |
| 02:37:05 | [Franklin] | foolsh: I still think that's too complicated for the average Joe |
| 02:37:34 | [Franklin] | foolsh: I think that the way it is now is just fine |
| 02:37:47 | [Franklin] | because any changess simply complicate things |
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| 02:38:23 | [Franklin] | so you're saying that there'd be two links on the download page for each target? |
| 02:38:28 | [Franklin] | one "basic" and one "full" |
| 02:38:34 | [Franklin] | or something like that? |
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| 02:39:26 | foolsh | more like rockbox.zip and plugin-extras.zip I was thinking |
| 02:39:40 | foolsh | unzip extras over .rockbox |
| 02:39:53 | foolsh | but it's not an issue |
| 02:39:57 | foolsh | yet |
| 02:40:11 | * | [Franklin] still finds it too complicated |
| 02:40:16 | [Franklin] | bins are complicated |
| 02:40:33 | [Franklin] | they're tightly coupled with core |
| 02:40:46 | [Franklin] | so there'd be the problem of mismatches |
| 02:41:02 | [Franklin] | (not so much with release builds, but there hasn't been a release in *forever*) |
| 02:41:20 | [Franklin] | speaking of which, I really think a release is *long overdue* |
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| 02:43:56 | foolsh | yes I understand that memory addresses change with each compile and as gevaerts and wodz talked about this morning they're version-ed extremely strictly because of that, I understand that it would "have" to be tightly coupled with each build somehow |
| 02:44:37 | * | [Franklin] goes and reads the logs |
| 02:44:44 | foolsh | but I'm also not saying it has to be, it just an idea |
| 02:45:25 | [Franklin] | yeah |
| 02:46:41 | [Franklin] | lol 06:56foolshhe will never stop |
| 02:47:18 | foolsh | lol, I haven't seen you slow an instant in two weeks |
| 02:49:35 | [Franklin] | next thing to do: wolf3d |
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| 02:51:21 | [Franklin] | foolsh: well, I don't care about sound for xworld :) |
| 02:51:28 | [Franklin] | I guess I'll leave that for someone else |
| 02:51:44 | foolsh | no one does I think ;) |
| 02:51:50 | [Franklin] | ok then |
| 02:51:56 | [Franklin] | that simplifies things *a lot* |
| 02:52:24 | [Franklin] | then all that's really left to do is to get the thing to run on gray+mono devices |
| 02:52:34 | [Franklin] | and optimize it like crazy |
| 02:53:49 | [Franklin] | and document it |
| 02:56:18 | * | foolsh starts downloading 500+ mb of LaTeX |
| 02:56:34 | * | [Franklin] never cared much about manual entries |
| 02:56:37 | [Franklin] | at most 2 sentences |
| 02:56:41 | [Franklin] | no pictures |
| 02:57:21 | foolsh | fine with me |
| 02:57:35 | * | [Franklin] hopes no one reads the manual |
| 02:57:41 | [Franklin] | or uses the help screen |
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| 03:01:13 | [Franklin] | also, I need to put yield()s in |
| 03:01:42 | [Franklin] | ok lets see here... |
| 03:01:56 | [Franklin] | "XWorld is an interpreter for Another World, a fantastic game by Eric Chahi" |
| 03:02:03 | foolsh | [Franklin] I wouldn't bother with targets that can't do "good" bmp scalling, it makes it imposible to get past the code imput screen with out it |
| 03:02:11 | [Franklin] | for the help screen, how's that? |
| 03:02:26 | foolsh | that sound good |
| 03:02:26 | [Franklin] | foolsh: so that'd be everything but color then |
| 03:02:30 | foolsh | right |
| 03:02:47 | foolsh | or zoom |
| 03:02:52 | foolsh | but htats more work |
| 03:02:55 | [Franklin] | zoom? |
| 03:03:11 | foolsh | sure zoom and pan |
| 03:03:16 | [Franklin] | how? |
| 03:03:32 | foolsh | the problem is you can't read the code say "O23" or what ever |
| 03:03:52 | foolsh | on tiny screens, the "good" scalling solves that |
| 03:03:54 | * | [Franklin] hasn't tried yet |
| 03:04:04 | foolsh | Ah I've seen it on my e280 |
| 03:04:08 | [Franklin] | let's try this distcc |
| 03:09:19 | [Franklin] | ooh yes I see |
| 03:09:26 | [Franklin] | it is *unreadable* on e200 without good scaling |
| 03:09:55 | foolsh | yes its completely useless with out good scalling |
| 03:10:08 | foolsh | so oh well so long |
| 03:10:13 | [Franklin] | unless the code screen can be bypassed |
| 03:21:04 | foolsh | [Franklin], fine with me if you skip the gray scales then all together either way it's more your baby than mine ;) |
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| 07:01:24 | [Saint] | TheSeven: Do you have any idea whay only _some_ people would be having issues with http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=582035c ? |
| 07:01:41 | [Saint] | I've attempted to look into it, but it confuses the fuck out of me. |
| 07:02:03 | [Saint] | The main confusing thing, is I can't for the life of me see where that arror is actually coming from. |
| 07:02:09 | [Saint] | But its a repeatable address. |
| 07:02:21 | [Saint] | (I'm not experiencing it, but many are) |
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| 13:12:20 | pamaury | wodz: pong |
| 13:13:35 | wodz | pamaury: Do you have experience with llvm .td files? I would like to add synci instruction to Mips but I fail miserably. |
| 13:14:48 | pamaury | At some point I got a bit familiar with it but then they changed many things so I'm not so sure anymore |
| 13:15:02 | pamaury | however the llvm irc channel and mailing list are quite helpful |
| 13:16:00 | pamaury | iirc you basically need to do two things: add the instruction itself (virtual node, how to encode/decode it), and add some rules to lower some construction to it |
| 13:16:18 | pamaury | (except if you plan to use it assembly directly) |
| 13:16:48 | wodz | ? |
| 13:18:15 | wodz | Instruction definition is in *InstrFormat.td and InstrInfo.td and this other bits? |
| 13:18:25 | pamaury | yes I think so |
| 13:19:02 | pamaury | in lib/Target/Mips/Mips32r6InstrFormats.td you probably need to add the opcode and in lib/Target/Mips/Mips32r6InstrInfo.td the intruction itself |
| 13:20:13 | pamaury | you must specify the OutOperandList and InOperandList, the AsmString, and probably a few others things if it acts a barrier or load/store some memory |
| 13:22:51 | wodz | this instruction basically do writeback of dcache followed by icache invalidate |
| 13:23:38 | pamaury | ok, let me read through the description files, I'll try to give you a basis to start on |
| 13:25:13 | pamaury | in InstrFormat.td, you need "def OPCODE5_SYNCI : OPCODE5<0b11111>;" (I hope I got the opcode right) |
| 13:26:38 | pamaury | in InstrIntr.td, first declare the encoding: "class SYNCI_R6_ENC : REGIMM_FM<OPCODE5_SYNCI>;" (I guess the R6 should be replaced by the correct revision it was introduced in, doesn't really matter anyway) |
| 13:27:07 | pamaury | define the instruction: def SYNCI_R6 : SYNCI_R6_ENC, SYNCI_R6_DESC, ISA_MIPS32R6; |
| 13:27:26 | pamaury | define the description (SYNCI_R6_DESC), that's probably the hardest part |
| 13:33:10 | pamaury | wodz: pamaury/7386b1765657f7ae7bac">https://gist.github.com/pamaury/7386b1765657f7ae7bac |
| 13:33:14 | pamaury | work in progress ;) |
| 13:33:21 | * | wodz looking |
| 13:33:47 | pamaury | I think it needs to specify that it acts as a memory barrier |
| 13:34:03 | pamaury | or pretend it touches memory |
| 13:34:53 | pamaury | I have updated it with "bit isBarrier = 1;" |
| 13:35:23 | pamaury | you also need to specify the delay slot if it has one |
| 13:35:33 | wodz | no it does not |
| 13:36:42 | wodz | hmm where is defined mapping of the fields in actual 32bit word? |
| 13:37:06 | wodz | REGIMM_FM? |
| 13:37:35 | pamaury | yes |
| 13:38:21 | pamaury | but this only creates the instruction, you cannot use it for the moment I think |
| 13:38:31 | pamaury | and you probably want to have some llvm guy check that |
| 13:38:59 | pamaury | I think you need to hook something in the MC assembly parser if you want to use it in inline assembly which I guess you want |
| 13:39:27 | wodz | well I actually want to use it in disassembly (llvm-mc) |
| 13:40:16 | pamaury | oh ok, I think this won't suffice, you need something more |
| 13:41:12 | wodz | hell, MipsInstrInfo.td and Mips32r6InstrInfo.td are vastly different |
| 13:42:28 | pamaury | I think you need to specify a DecoderMethod, unless llvm is smart enough to decode it only using REGIMM_FM which I doubt |
| 13:43:45 | pamaury | hum I don't know |
| 13:45:03 | pamaury | does synci belongs to mips32r6 by the way ? |
| 13:45:38 | wodz | no :-) this is mips32r2 instruction |
| 13:46:21 | pamaury | so rather MipsInstr.td then |
| 13:47:28 | pamaury | hum indeed the file is written in a completely different style |
| 13:51:28 | pamaury | it's weird that SYNC is declared with a i32 immediate by the way |
| 13:54:47 | wodz | You mean that according to isa manual it doesn't take arguments? |
| 13:56:04 | pamaury | according to mips manual, sync a single immediate argument which is 5-bit |
| 13:56:24 | wodz | ah yes, thats true |
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| 14:02:04 | pamaury | I'm wondering what is the bare minimal to be able to use it in the disassembler only... |
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| 14:06:56 | pamaury | wodz: maybe something like this: pamaury/7386b1765657f7ae7bac">https://gist.github.com/pamaury/7386b1765657f7ae7bac |
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| 14:09:21 | * | wodz tries |
| 14:11:18 | pamaury | I think ISA_MIPS32 is not right but we don't really care, however I'm not so sure the disassembler will pick the instruction just like this |
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| 14:12:50 | wodz | it should be ISA_MIPS32R2 but as you said this doesn't matter now |
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| 14:14:40 | wodz | pamaury: http://pastie.org/9716671 |
| 14:15:08 | pamaury | urg, very helpful ^^ |
| 14:19:51 | pamaury | CCAction seems related to calling convention |
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| 14:22:34 | pamaury | wodz: just for consistency, have you checked it compiles without the added code ? ;) |
| 14:22:57 | wodz | pamaury: just now, and it doesn't :P |
| 14:23:10 | pamaury | yeah, because that didn't make any sense |
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| 14:47:53 | wodz | pamaury: http://pastie.org/9716745 |
| 14:56:29 | pamaury | wodz: I'm compiling llvm on my box to try it, give me the afternoon so I can find some free time to try it and I'll tell you what I managed to achieve |
| 14:56:52 | wodz | sure, thanks for help |
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| 16:25:56 | Cunctator | anyone here able to help? |
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| 16:34:39 | gevaerts | Cunctator: maybe, but we won't know until we know what your problem is :) |
| 16:36:26 | Cunctator | awesome. I'm having issues with a rockboxed ipod 160gb 7g. Followed the freemyipod.org instructions carefully. It all works fine, except, I cannot add files on it. Recognized by my Win8.1 laptop, but as I copy&paste it gets stuck and needs rebooting. |
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| 16:40:40 | Cunctator | I should say: I managed to move my music library as soon as I installed it. Then played with it for a day. Then wanted to add new files, and all of a sudden anything bigger than a few MB will make the file transfer freeze. |
| 16:41:14 | Cunctator | (and no, it's not full. I got 15GB of free space, says my computer) |
| 16:42:49 | gevaerts | I suspect [Saint] is the person to help you. He seems to keep track of ipod classic issues fairly well |
| 16:43:16 | gevaerts | He might wake up any minute now |
| 16:46:40 | Cunctator | alright, I'll be AFK for a while now, but back later. Thanks for your help! |
| 16:47:11 | gevaerts | You can always check the logs to see if someone answered |
| 16:47:19 | gevaerts | Even if you're disconnected, I mean |
| 16:49:00 | Cunctator | thanks :) |
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| 18:46:50 | pamaury | wodz (logs): I have something working but it's unsatisfactory in several points: 1) the disassembler outputs "synci imm, base" instead of "synci imm(base)" 2) also the immediate is always printed as a sign number, don't know why |
| 18:53:21 | pamaury | wodz (logs): but I think I know to fix this, I need to understand how it works for load/store, it uses custom parsing procedure and representation, let's reuse that |
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| 19:11:39 | pamaury | wodz (logs): current state: pamaury/7386b1765657f7ae7bac">https://gist.github.com/pamaury/7386b1765657f7ae7bac |
| 19:11:47 | pamaury | if I uncomment //let DecoderMethod = "DecodeMem"; |
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| 19:12:25 | pamaury | parsing is wrong because DecodeMem decodes an extra register (like for sw and ld), and without it crashes, so I think I need a custom decoder, I'll write that later, stay tuned ! |
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| 20:35:18 | wodz | pamaury: hmm, that is interesting. cache instruction also declares Reg operand which is actually not used (cache $hint, $addr where addr is imm16(base reg)). I tried to mimic how is cache modeled but llvm-mc crashes with my version. |
| 20:36:23 | pamaury | I had a look at the code and I think it will be quite easy to write a custom decoder, I'm busy right now but I will write it before the end of the day |
| 20:37:05 | wodz | I am eager to understand how this works. |
| 20:37:18 | wodz | pamaury: .td is enough to have disasm working? |
| 20:38:06 | pamaury | yes, except I need the decoder in this case but it will generated the disassembler all by itself |
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| 20:41:16 | wodz | pamaury: I don't quite understand why it is not possible to simply modify what CACHE does (drop the $hint) |
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| 20:45:48 | pamaury | wodz: because since it uses this complicated address structure imm(rs) which is represented by a MipsMemAsmOperand, it has to use a custom decoder, DecodeCacheOp in the case of cache, and this decode handles all arguments ($hint and $addr) |
| 20:47:30 | pamaury | damn, llvm trunk compiles at my lab's computer but not on my laptop, apparently it uses new c++ features |
| 20:47:33 | pamaury | *sight* |
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| 20:48:36 | wodz | pamaury: I came up with this http://pastie.org/9717458 which crashes actually |
| 20:50:27 | pamaury | no that won't work, mem already contains the immediate and a register |
| 20:51:30 | pamaury | wait a sec, I will upload some code, I cannot compile it at the moment but you can |
| 20:53:44 | pamaury | wodz: pamaury/7386b1765657f7ae7bac">https://gist.github.com/pamaury/7386b1765657f7ae7bac |
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| 22:49:27 | [Franklin] | I need some help profiling xworld |
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| 22:51:22 | pamaury | wodz: it's working :) |
| 22:51:26 | pamaury | pamaury/7386b1765657f7ae7bac">https://gist.github.com/pamaury/7386b1765657f7ae7bac |
| 22:51:43 | pamaury | # echo "0xef 0xbe 0x7f 0x04" | ./Debug+Asserts/bin/llvm-mc -disassemble -triple=mipsel-unknown-linux -mcpu=mips32r2 |
| 22:51:43 | pamaury | .text |
| 22:51:43 | pamaury | synci -16657($3) |
| 22:52:59 | wodz | can you try 0x05 0x1f 0x00 0x00 ? |
| 22:53:23 | pamaury | invalid instruction |
| 22:53:40 | pamaury | this is not a synci instruction |
| 22:53:51 | pamaury | oh wait, that's big endian |
| 22:54:01 | pamaury | synci 0($8) |
| 22:54:01 | wodz | yeah |
| 22:54:44 | wodz | ok, so the final thing is that $8 is rather unusual way of expressing mips register (although correct AFAIK) |
| 22:55:18 | pamaury | yeah llvm seems to output registers this ways on mips |
| 22:55:25 | pamaury | maybe there is an assembler variant to change this |
| 22:56:53 | [Franklin] | what should I put for the copyright of xworld? |
| 22:57:22 | [Franklin] | the way it is now, it has (C) 2004 Gregory Montoir |
| 22:57:30 | pamaury | wodz: if you want to tweak or better understand the code, I suggest you run this with the patch: |
| 22:57:30 | pamaury | echo "0x05 0x1f 0x00 0x00" | ./Debug+Asserts/bin/llvm-mc -disassemble -triple=mips-unknown-linux -mcpu=mips32r2 -show-encoding -show-inst-operands -show-inst |
| 22:57:38 | pamaury | synci 0($8) # encoding: [0x04,0x1f,0x00,0x00] |
| 22:57:38 | pamaury | # <MCInst #1597 SYNCI |
| 22:57:38 | pamaury | # <MCOperand Reg:279> |
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| 22:57:38 | pamaury | # <MCOperand Imm:0>> |
| 22:57:41 | pamaury | very useful ^ |
| 22:58:35 | wodz | why encoding differs from actual instruction sequence? |
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| 22:59:42 | wodz | pamaury: ^ |
| 22:59:51 | pamaury | that's a good question |
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| 23:00:13 | pamaury | my guess is that this is the encoding of the decoded instruction, now why is that different, no idea |
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| 23:01:31 | pamaury | I'm not familar with mips encoding of registers but 0x05 0x1f 0x00 0x00 would be imm=0, base=16 right ? |
| 23:03:34 | wodz | this sequence should be decoded as synci 0($t0) t0 is $8 so decoding is correct |
| 23:04:19 | wodz | imm is 0, base should be 8 I guess |
| 23:05:46 | pamaury | ah right my mistake |
| 23:06:09 | pamaury | so this encoding output is wrong, that's weird |
| 23:07:35 | pamaury | anyway the decoding is correct |
| 23:07:54 | pamaury | apparently mips doesn't have an asm variant so there is no way to print something else than $8 |
| 23:08:34 | wodz | Right, thanks a bunch. Now I need to study this more to understand completely |
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| 23:09:38 | pamaury | I suggest you submit submit this on the llvm mailing list to get some feedback (otherwise I will), just to check this is the right way of doing it |
| 23:09:47 | pamaury | and ask about the register printing |
| 23:10:34 | wodz | well, you are the author |
| 23:11:06 | pamaury | ok I'll do it, let's pretend "synci" will one day be useful to someone ^^ |
| 23:11:49 | wodz | pamaury: it will be imported to capstone :-) |
| 23:12:01 | pamaury | ah yeah right |
| 23:12:42 | pamaury | gtg, good night |
| 23:12:50 | wodz | pamaury: For merging in llvm I guess assemebler must be provided as well |
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| 23:13:14 | pamaury | yes indeed |
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| 23:14:13 | [Saint] | Cunctator_: you still around? |
| 23:14:57 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:14:57 | * | gevaerts kicks lillebror1-zagor out |
| 23:14:59 | wodz | lillebror1-zagor has problems |
| 23:15:27 | gevaerts | I'll try to catch zagor tomorrow |
| 23:15:35 | gevaerts | For now though, that client is blocked |
| 23:15:35 | [Saint] | Cunctator_: boot to the emCORE main menu; select the 'Tools' menu item; select 'Run Rockbox fallback image'; mount the device; transfer your files; shutdown and reboot the device to return to the user installed Rockbox image. |
| 23:16:21 | [Franklin] | [Saint]: what should I put for xworld's copyright? |
| 23:17:21 | [Saint] | Cunctator_: USB is known to be fairly problematic on this target for a while now, this is (one of) the reason(s) a known stable Rockbox fallback image is embedded in the emCORE image. |
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| 23:18:00 | [Saint] | Cunctator_: for some odd reason, the USB issues only seem to predictably affect Windows operating systems. |
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| 23:18:33 | [Saint] | Cunctator_: on linux based operating systems, it appears to 'Just Work(TM)'. |
| 23:20:57 | Cunctator_ | hey Saint] |
| 23:21:01 | Cunctator_ | [Saint] |
| 23:21:06 | Cunctator_ | yes im still around |
| 23:21:36 | [Saint] | Try the fallback image as described above and gimme a yell afterwards. |
| 23:22:02 | Cunctator_ | I tried that. But either 1) my fallback image doesn't load (stuck on checking database or something) or 2) even if I manage to launch it, the very same issue with blocked transfers happen |
| 23:22:12 | Cunctator_ | I will try once again right now, just to be sure |
| 23:22:17 | Cunctator_ | but I already did that twice |
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| 23:22:30 | gevaerts | I'd start suspecting possible disk issues |
| 23:22:47 | [Franklin] | Cunctator_: do you have all the data backed up? |
| 23:22:56 | Cunctator_ | on a brand new iPod? I literally tore the plastic from the box yesterday |
| 23:23:05 | Cunctator_ | yeah, all the music is stored on my laptop |
| 23:23:39 | gevaerts | That does make it less likely, yes |
| 23:23:40 | [Saint] | Nuke the /.rockbox fodler entirely and extract a new image to it. |
| 23:23:46 | [Saint] | *folder |
| 23:23:55 | [Franklin] | [Saint]: could it be that ATA driver commit? |
| 23:24:02 | [Saint] | No. |
| 23:24:11 | copper | use this build if in doubt: http://caudec.net/rockbox/rockbox-ipod6g-440ff95M-140517.zip |
| 23:24:34 | copper | old build from before all the new stuff |
| 23:24:36 | copper | "old" |
| 23:24:46 | [Saint] | Can we not push people on to unofficial builds please? |
| 23:24:46 | copper | 's all relative, eh |
| 23:24:59 | [Saint] | Lets try to actually debug this first. |
| 23:25:07 | Cunctator_ | so, plug it in, delete the .rockbox folder, and then copy and paste a new one? |
| 23:25:15 | [Saint] | Correct. |
| 23:25:28 | Cunctator_ | lets try |
| 23:25:35 | [Saint] | That way we'll know exactly what we're working with. |
| 23:26:47 | Cunctator_ | the version I've got here sitting on my desktop is: bcca111-141110 |
| 23:26:49 | Cunctator_ | is that alright? |
| 23:26:58 | [Saint] | Yeah, that's fine. |
| 23:27:58 | Cunctator_ | (is it normal that Win 8.1 always tells me "there's a problem with this drive. Scan the drive and fix it now"?) |
| 23:28:08 | Cunctator_ | upon plugging in |
| 23:28:48 | [Saint] | In some cases it will bitch about this, yes. Its fine to let it do whatever it thinks it wants to do. |
| 23:29:49 | [Saint] | Windows is a strange creature and I'm not entirely sure why it has a cry about the way the drive is set up. |
| 23:30:16 | [Saint] | Maybe it doesn't like large FTA32 superfloppy volumes. I honestly don't know. |
| 23:30:20 | [Saint] | *FAT32 |
| 23:31:49 | Cunctator_ | OK copied successfully. Now all that is shows on the iPod is: the new ".rockbox" folder, an ".apps" folder, a "Music" folder (which I created) and an invisible "iPod Controls" folder. |
| 23:31:55 | Cunctator_ | now i safely extract and reboot |
| 23:32:35 | [Saint] | I...hmmmm. That ipod controls' folder shouldn't be there. |
| 23:32:57 | [Saint] | The volume should have been formatted during the installation. |
| 23:33:19 | Cunctator_ | OK bad news. As I launched RockBox a red error message came out, saying there was some sort of error, and that it is trying to load fallback image |
| 23:33:34 | Cunctator_ | ...which it just did |
| 23:34:11 | [Saint] | Do you recall the error that was presented to you? |
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| 23:34:25 | Cunctator_ | it was pretty quick...sorry |
| 23:34:32 | [Saint] | If you could see if it is repeatable, its useful information. |
| 23:34:40 | Cunctator_ | OK |
| 23:36:07 | Cunctator_ | odd |
| 23:36:12 | Cunctator_ | it didnt do it anymore |
| 23:36:33 | Cunctator_ | i resetted, relaunched, SCANNING DISK for a while, and then it launched fine |
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| 23:37:24 | [Saint] | Hmmm. Ok. Well, if it decided to work, I'm cool with that. Now, this time just try transferring your media solely through the Rockbox fallback image. |
| 23:37:46 | Cunctator_ | ok, so I go back again and try to launch the fallback image |
| 23:37:58 | [Saint] | Correct. |
| 23:38:19 | [Saint] | The basic premise is that you'll need to launch the fallback image for all USB interactions. |
| 23:38:38 | copper | Balls. |
| 23:39:00 | Cunctator_ | ok it launched |
| 23:39:05 | Cunctator_ | now I plug in the usb |
| 23:39:29 | Cunctator_ | (how do i make sure it indeed IS the fallback image?) |
| 23:41:42 | [Saint] | By way of launching the fallback image via the 'emCORE -> Tools -> Run Rockbox fallback image' menu flow. |
| 23:42:12 | Cunctator_ | yeah thats what i did |
| 23:42:19 | Cunctator_ | anyway, crap. The same thing happened |
| 23:42:32 | Cunctator_ | starts moving the files, 2 maybe 3% |
| 23:42:41 | Cunctator_ | stops |
| 23:43:06 | Cunctator_ | even worse, now the iPod all of a sudden got unplugged by himself |
| 23:43:28 | * | [Franklin] is leaning towards hardware failure |
| 23:43:50 | [Saint] | [Franklin]: its literally brand new. |
| 23:44:05 | Cunctator_ | now its unresponsive, black screen. I can see the USB icon, but no backlight |
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| 23:44:22 | Cunctator_ | yes guys, I promise. I opned the box yesterday |
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| 23:44:35 | [Saint] | Cunctator_: I'm thinking that the prior errors may have left the disk in a somewhat funky state. WHat we'll try to do now is format the disk via the emCORE main menu. |
| 23:44:44 | Cunctator_ | alright |
| 23:44:59 | Cunctator_ | "reformat data partition"? |
| 23:45:08 | [Saint] | Again, go to the emCORE main menu; select 'Tools'; and then select reformat data partition'. |
| 23:45:14 | [Saint] | right, correct. |
| 23:45:17 | Cunctator_ | OK |
| 23:45:43 | Cunctator_ | yellow message: "reformatting data partition" |
| 23:45:48 | Cunctator_ | blue progress bar |
| 23:45:49 | [Saint] | After which, when you boot Rockbox from the emCORE main menu, the fallback image will load automatically. |
| 23:46:31 | [Saint] | ANd then wel'll try to add the new Rockbox image and some media at the same time. |
| 23:46:39 | Cunctator_ | alright |
| 23:46:40 | [Saint] | bah - can't type. |
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| 23:49:30 | Cunctator_ | almost there |
| 23:49:53 | [Franklin] | so what should I put for the copyright notice? |
| 23:49:57 | [Franklin] | (for xworld) |
| 23:51:40 | Cunctator_ | "data partition has been formatted" |
| 23:51:47 | Cunctator_ | I try and relaunch Rockbox? |
| 23:51:57 | [Franklin] | yeah |
| 23:51:59 | [Franklin] | go ahead |
| 23:52:02 | [Saint] | Correct. |
| 23:52:27 | Cunctator_ | loading rockbox ipod failed, loading fallback image (as planned) |
| 23:52:40 | Cunctator_ | OK, I plug it in |
| 23:52:41 | [Franklin] | ok, now try a transfer |
| 23:52:45 | [Saint] | Correct.. |
| 23:53:05 | [Franklin] | [Saint]: sorry, I'll let you do this :) |
| 23:53:25 | [Saint] | the additional . was a typographical error. :) |
| 23:53:58 | [Franklin] | lol |
| 23:55:30 | Cunctator_ | ummm. OK, the drive isnt called iPod Classic anymore, but Removable Disk. Also, it's not opening. |
| 23:55:51 | Cunctator_ | just froze my windows explorer |
| 23:55:59 | [Franklin] | try waiting a bit |
| 23:56:08 | copper | sigh |
| 23:57:10 | [Saint] | This is all quite strange. Are the any iTunes processes still running? |
| 23:58:01 | Cunctator_ | it totally fucked my explorer. I had to plug it out |
| 23:58:10 | [Saint] | What method of installation was it that you used? |
| 23:58:10 | Cunctator_ | umm, no |
| 23:58:25 | Cunctator_ | the one on the FreeMyIpod website, step by step |
| 23:58:43 | [Saint] | right, but, the w/ itunes, without itunes, etc. |
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