#rockbox 2014-11-16

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#rockbox log for 2014-11-16

00:10:54	[Franklin]	foo\|sh: ping
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00:20:26		Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0/20141110195804])
00:34:06	[Franklin]	git is acting weirdly...
00:34:20	[Franklin]	I run git rebase -i master, and it says there's conflicts
00:34:32	[Franklin]	so I run git rebase −−abort and git rebase -i master again
00:34:39	[Franklin]	and then there's no conflicts
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00:41:48	[Franklin]	I'm not really complaining; it does what I'd expect
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00:48:52	[Franklin]	but still, its weird
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01:18:22	foolsh	[Franklin] pong
01:18:51	[Franklin]	foolsh: welcome back
01:19:39	foolsh	I didn't go any where, just on a different sleeping schecdule ;)
01:20:13	foolsh	I don't understand the rotation code very well
01:20:19	[Franklin]	foolsh: I fixed it
01:20:33	[Franklin]	check the forums :P
01:20:51	foolsh	I'm gonna change your name to speedy
01:20:55	[Franklin]	I'm surprised I didn't catch that before pushing
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01:21:27	[Speedy]	anyway, I also _think_ I fixed the crash with load/save
01:21:42	foolsh	what do think of the save load scheme that I put in place?
01:21:45	[Speedy]	it just disables saving from the main menu when you haven't loaded a game yet
01:22:01	foolsh	okay
01:22:06	[Speedy]	foolsh: It needs some sort of safety net to keep people from wiping their games
01:22:11	[Speedy]	and a save+quit option
01:22:16	[Speedy]	other than that, I like it
01:22:31	foolsh	I took out save+quit
01:22:37	foolsh	it just save
01:22:39	foolsh	or load
01:22:42	foolsh	or quit
01:23:12	[Speedy]	foolsh: I'd think there should be "save+quit" and "quit"
01:23:18	[Speedy]	just for convenience
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01:23:46	foolsh	btw, why would you delete a save file on load? that's just silly :P
01:24:09	[Franklin]	foolsh: to make it "seamless"
01:24:20	[Franklin]	you load, play, save, and quit
01:24:30	[Franklin]	that works for simple games (eg 2048)
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01:25:36	foolsh	I like having seperate "load" "save" and "quit" it gives control to the user to do what they feel is best
01:25:55	foolsh	I admitt I was frustrated before
01:26:03	[Franklin]	yeah, I'd like to keep that
01:26:13	[Franklin]	and add a save+quit option
01:26:17	foolsh	ok
01:26:38	[Franklin]	and also give the user a warning when they just quit (without saving)
01:26:38	foolsh	but not deleting the save file until a new save is made ;)
01:26:45	[Franklin]	foolsh: oh yeah
01:26:57	foolsh	alright sounds great
01:27:34	[Franklin]	also, I'm still not sure if it should be "counterclockwise" or "anticlockwise"
01:27:55	*	[Saint] stirs the pot
01:28:06	[Saint]	quicksave/load that just remembers the save from that session!
01:28:07	[Saint]	;p
01:28:11	[Saint]	...now...go!
01:28:19	[Franklin]	[Saint]: no...
01:28:32	[Franklin]	[Saint]: it deletes after loading
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01:29:20	foolsh	conventionally it's counter clockwise silly
01:29:29	[Franklin]	foolsh: but that's american english
01:29:39	[Franklin]	foolsh: I prefer counterclockwise too
01:29:47	[Saint]	If you wanna be pedantic, it varies by locale.
01:29:51	[Franklin]	and this project uses british english
01:29:55	[Saint]	^
01:30:03	[Franklin]	[Saint]: well, how do you localize a plugin?
01:30:15	[Saint]	You don't. I expect.
01:30:33	[Franklin]	so counterclockwise?
01:31:36	[Saint]	anti-clockwise is the common En-UK variant.
01:31:52	[Saint]	counterclockwise the common En-US variant.
01:31:56	[Franklin]	[Saint]: everything else in rockbox uses "counterclockwise"... comments, everything
01:32:02	[Franklin]	except the rockblox manual
01:32:10	foolsh	we're tlaking about a comment anyways so it doesn't really make a big difference ;P
01:32:19	[Franklin]	foolsh: and the option ;)
01:32:21	[Saint]	A comment? Gah...
01:32:27	[Saint]	Fuck the comment. ;p
01:32:35	foolsh	oh yeah I forgot
01:32:36	[Franklin]	[Saint]: there is a menu for that says counterclockwise too
01:32:42	[Saint]	Ah.
01:33:05	[Franklin]	so it /does/ matter ;)
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01:33:10	[Saint]	I'd default to En-UK personally.
01:33:33	[Franklin]	[Saint]: but the rest of the codebase uses counterclockwise... change that too?
01:33:53	[Saint]	Nope. ANything the user doesn't see doesn't matter.
01:34:11	[Franklin]	the manual?
01:34:22	[Saint]	...does the user see the manual?
01:34:26	[Franklin]	yes
01:34:29	[Franklin]	they do
01:34:29	[Saint]	So?
01:34:39	[Franklin]	well, the manual's "correct"
01:34:44	[Franklin]	so no, it doesn't matter
01:34:52	[Franklin]	well, anticlockwise it is
01:35:13	[Franklin]	well, anticlockwise it is
01:35:16	[Franklin]	sry
01:35:58	foolsh	lol whatever
01:36:17	[Franklin]	foolsh: I was actually hoping it would be counterclockwise
01:36:31	[Franklin]	but there'd be no way [Saint] would approve :D
01:36:56	foolsh	fuck it we'll use degrees
01:37:00	[Franklin]	lol
01:37:01	foolsh	:P
01:37:27	[Franklin]	foolsh: it complicates things a bit if the loading code doesn't delete the save
01:38:13	foolsh	so delete it right before save
01:38:19	foolsh	thats how I had it
01:38:42	[Franklin]	no... in order to have a "quit wo/ saving" and a "save+quit" option
01:38:55	[Franklin]	if the loading code didn't delete, "quit wo/ saving" code would have to
01:39:05	[Franklin]	but it doesn't know how
01:39:41	[Franklin]	so it'd be easier to have the loading code delete it, and then have "quit wo/ saving" to just exit, and "save+quit" to save
01:40:46	[Franklin]	the drawback of this approach would be in the event of a crash, the save would be lost
01:41:27	foolsh	then it becomes a pain in the ass to just "save" after a difficult area and "load" it from the menu, instead of dieing and starting the scene from the very beggining
01:42:00	foolsh	I don't see the problem I had no difficulties with it so far
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01:42:16	foolsh	I was pulling my hair outwondering where my saves were going
01:42:16	*	[Franklin] is now confused
01:42:37	[Franklin]	with the delete on load?
01:42:50	foolsh	me too, let me see your code tonight before I pass judgement :)
01:43:20	*	[Franklin] will change the code to not delete on load
01:43:24	[Franklin]	at the cost of elegance
01:43:31	[Franklin]	and a few added functions
01:43:58	[Franklin]	then tell me if that's what you want
01:46:18	foolsh	Okay, sorry if I seem passionate about it, it's not a casual game, when the player gets past a difficult area, it's nice to save and jump back there with a load if they die, deleting the save on "load" prevents this
01:46:51	*	[Franklin] understands completely
01:47:56	[Franklin]	ok it seems to be working
01:48:02	[Franklin]	now to add the "safety net"
01:48:30	[Franklin]	actually, first I'll push to give you an idea
01:49:26	[Franklin]	ok look at engine.c and sys.c
01:49:31	[Franklin]	(the diffs)
01:49:49	[Franklin]	is that what you were talking about?
01:51:45	foolsh	that works
01:51:50	[Franklin]	alright
01:52:13	foolsh	did you reintroduce motion blur and anti aliasing?
01:52:19	[Franklin]	no
01:52:40	[Franklin]	as [Saint] said, people will get very angry at me if I did
01:52:59	[Franklin]	lol
01:53:14	foolsh	pfft, if its done in the audio buffer it should have enough memory
01:53:32	[Saint]	I don't mean froma core perspective.
01:53:39	foolsh	the fuze+ can handle it, not sure about other targest
01:53:41	[Saint]	I mean about from a pissing on a classic game perspective.
01:53:50	foolsh	oh lol maybe
01:54:36	[Saint]	I posit most poeple playing this would've had a fond memory for the original and want to see it semi faithfully represented.
01:54:44	[Franklin]	[Saint]: its disabled by default
01:54:50	[Franklin]	(would be, that is)
01:55:07	[Franklin]	I imagine negative would piss people off enough
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01:56:26	[Franklin]	but hey, it was pretty cool
01:56:38	[Franklin]	so yeah, I'll get the kinks worked out
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02:02:18	foolsh	[Franklin] "git rm apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/xworld_title.320x240x24.bmp" and "git rm apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/xworld_title.640x480x24.bmp"
02:02:33	foolsh	unless you're trying to sneak them back in ;)
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02:12:50	[Franklin]	foolsh: lol
02:14:06	[Franklin]	foolsh: I'm not sure how those got in
02:14:49	[Franklin]	ok
02:14:51	[Franklin]	pushed
02:15:04	foolsh	gerrit if a shithole to colaborate on
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02:15:20	[Franklin]	foolsh: this is really sad: http://inversethought.com/jordi/piccies/lol.png
02:16:01	[Franklin]	at one point, there were almost 800 commits per month
02:16:19	[Franklin]	now we're down to like 20
02:16:37	foolsh	so do a hardware port and that's a few hundred right there :)
02:16:44	[Franklin]	lol
02:17:03	[Franklin]	foolsh: yeah, too bad you can't squeeze 50 or so commits out of a plugin :)
02:18:42	[Franklin]	foolsh: perhaps 10 at most
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02:19:22	foolsh	it always peaks in winter ;)
02:19:30	[Franklin]	foolsh: why?
02:19:49	[Franklin]	hmm... interesting
02:19:51	foolsh	clod bored people huddled around cpus for warm
02:19:55	foolsh	cold*
02:20:00	[Franklin]	lol
02:20:16	[Franklin]	college students on break?
02:26:31	foolsh	chirstmas gifts that need rockbox ports ;)
02:26:37	[Franklin]	lol
02:26:49	*	[Franklin] tries to get git show to list ALL the commits
02:26:54	[Franklin]	can't seem to figure it out
02:27:58	[Franklin]	aha git log!
02:29:34	[Franklin]	hmm... can't seem to get UTC times
02:31:40	[Franklin]	ok... since the first commit, there's been 32687 commits
02:31:45	[Franklin]	(in my local tree)
02:31:59	[Franklin]	I like how its an anagram of 2^15
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02:33:01	*	[Franklin] decides to make his own cool graphs
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02:45:00	foolsh	http://creativepc.no-ip.org/projects/rockbox/repository/statistics
02:46:14	[Franklin]	oh cool
02:46:48	*	[Franklin] is a little speck
02:47:24	foolsh	I have been known to look for help finishing in the past g#656
02:47:27	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #656 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/656 : WinCE SDL port & new Toolchain CeGCC 0.59 (WIP) by Benjamin Brown
02:47:32	[Franklin]	any way to make it have a longer time frame?
02:47:44	foolsh	I'll even donate some hardware if you're interested
02:48:06	[Franklin]	nah
02:48:28	[Franklin]	foolsh: actually, get me interested
02:48:39	*	[Franklin] wants to get lower-level
02:48:47	foolsh	I can make it longer but have to go log in and edit the sources
02:49:06	foolsh	I've wanted to start a hardware port for one of those wince devices
02:49:11	foolsh	could boot it with haret
02:49:45	[Franklin]	foolsh: I have no experience whatsoever with that kind of thing :)
02:50:09	foolsh	neither did I, and it should never stop you
02:50:24	foolsh	unless you want to be a surgeon or something
02:50:41	foolsh	then stop before you cut open people
02:50:53	[Franklin]	lol
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02:52:02	foolsh	the tool chain I was using for that has two flavors
02:52:12	foolsh	cegcc and mingw32ce
02:52:41	foolsh	the former was for running native code on bare metel
02:52:53	foolsh	the later for of course under WinCE
02:52:59	[Franklin]	yeah
02:53:29	foolsh	I flipped a flopped at first as to which to use
02:53:42	foolsh	I though boot with haret?
02:53:46	foolsh	thought*
02:53:55	foolsh	or run a SDL app
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02:54:13	[Franklin]	foolsh: SDL app would be way easier
02:54:18	[Franklin]	I'd think
02:54:20	foolsh	since I'm no genius, naturally
02:54:27	foolsh	I choose SDL
02:56:49	[Franklin]	foolsh: so what's its current state?
02:57:56	foolsh	mostly done, I have to get errno.h in there some where, I think
02:58:16	foolsh	and it dependancies
02:58:41	*	foolsh needs another cup of joe
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03:41:28	[Franklin]	foolsh: what's next for xworld?
03:41:34	[Franklin]	foolsh: it needs some more PR
03:44:05	foolsh	can we increase the frame rate on the e200?
03:44:23	foolsh	we sleep a little, and fast mode is too fast
03:44:34	[Franklin]	foolsh: oh yeah, I almost forgot
03:44:45	*	[Franklin] will try just dividing the sleep time by 2
03:45:10	foolsh	I can ignore scroll events some how too, as well?
03:45:26	[Franklin]	hmm?
03:45:29	foolsh	it interupts input
03:45:45	[Franklin]	scroll events?
03:45:52	foolsh	on the e200 sorry
03:46:17	foolsh	scroll event fromteh e200 interupt inputs, causing jerkiness
03:46:26	*	[Franklin] doesn't know
03:46:29	*	[Franklin] doesn't know how
03:47:00	foolsh	you did something about that refresh button for hte ipod I'll see about the e200 tonight
03:47:10	foolsh	should be similair
03:47:20	foolsh	just has to catch it and exit the loop
03:47:22	[Franklin]	oh yeah
03:47:33	[Franklin]	if you can figure out the button, it'll be easy
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03:58:52	foolsh	[Franklin] it seems almost a little redundant to have the menun duplication, does jumping to the game if no save exists yet sound better?
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04:00:12	foolsh	so another words, starting the plugin the first time will jump to the code input screen
04:00:38	foolsh	and after exiting and saving the next time we can jump to the one menu
04:00:43	[Franklin]	foolsh: nah
04:01:01	[Franklin]	foolsh: people might want to change settings a bit before starting
04:01:11	foolsh	they could pause and do that
04:01:11	[Franklin]	and plus, it'd be inconsistent
04:01:37	*	foolsh won't argue with [Franklin] since he does all the work
04:01:51	[Franklin]	lol
04:02:00	*	foolsh is just works it out slowly
04:02:30	foolsh	gah, y words!
04:02:38	[Franklin]	IKR?
04:03:36	[Franklin]	foolsh: but it could be a menu option
04:03:39	[Franklin]	"Skip to game"
04:03:53	[Franklin]	and sys_menu just automatically returns if its set and there's a save
04:04:37	foolsh	right something like that, seems... more elegant
04:05:30	[Franklin]	and then of course it could be turned off from the pause menu
04:05:56	foolsh	the duplication is what kills it, need simplification
04:07:12	[Franklin]	?
04:09:48	foolsh	I was talking about the menu code being duplicated
04:10:17	foolsh	but it's not a show stopper,
04:10:19	[Franklin]	ah yes
04:10:23	[Franklin]	it needs refactoring
04:10:34	[Franklin]	the whole plugin does, actually :)
04:10:41	foolsh	It seems some scenes play much slower/faster than others
04:10:54	foolsh	I got past the first scene
04:11:07	[Franklin]	foolsh: yes, that's to be expected
04:14:25	*	foolsh wonders why, since we have more than enough cpu to do the job
04:14:40	foolsh	even on the ten year old e200
04:17:23	[Franklin]	foolsh: overhead from the simulation for one
04:17:23	[Franklin]	and the fact that the game intentionally sleeps between frames
04:17:24	[Franklin]	/ping ChanServ
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04:17:24	[Franklin]	sry
04:18:10	foolsh	since we can already return the fps, can't we use that to tell us how much we have to adjust the sleep time?
04:18:38	[Franklin]	foolsh: yes
04:18:38	foolsh	granted thats complicated but not impossible
04:18:45	[Franklin]	foolsh: it's not really
04:18:51	[Franklin]	just multiplying the sleep value
04:18:53	foolsh	is for me ;)
04:19:18	[Franklin]	ok, I'll try dividing it in two
04:19:23	[Franklin]	(by)
04:19:27	foolsh	later
04:19:35	foolsh	oh by not bye
04:20:11	[Franklin]	lol
04:21:54	[Franklin]	foolsh: try the latest patch set (no fast mode, just normal)
04:22:10	foolsh	alright e200? fuze+? both?
04:22:17	[Franklin]	both I guess
04:22:23	[Franklin]	though e200 would be more interesting
04:22:26	foolsh	okay
04:24:42	[Franklin]	do it for the code screen, intro, and "pool" scene :)
04:25:38	foolsh	alright
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04:36:17	foolsh	fuze+ is 33fps no matter what scaling or rotation on the code input scene, the intro plays at 10-25 fps, the pool scene at about 16 fps, the cage scene at 11fps
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04:36:26	foolsh	it much faster
04:36:34	[Franklin]	good!
04:36:39	[Franklin]	what about e200?
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04:36:54	foolsh	still building
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04:37:19	*	[Franklin] needs to get his build server booted up
04:37:27	foolsh	almost to fast on the fuze+
04:37:36	[Franklin]	foolsh: that's not a problem! :P
04:37:36	foolsh	but not slow at all
04:37:58	foolsh	yes it's nice
04:38:08	foolsh	I can run the good scalling
04:38:13	[Franklin]	foolsh: well, I guess it needs a setting to enable it
04:38:28	foolsh	medium mode?
04:38:33	[Franklin]	perhaps "Speed:" "50%" "100%" "150%" "MAX"
04:38:38	foolsh	yes
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04:45:13	[Franklin]	foolsh: what's the FPS on e200?
04:46:29	[Franklin]	it's gettin' late
04:46:30	[Franklin]	gnite
04:47:11	foolsh	e200 is 4fps with good scaling and rotation on the code input scene 20 with fast scaling the intro plays at 10-24 fps, the pool scene at about 11-14 fps
04:47:29	foolsh	with only th efast scaling on after the code input screen
04:47:45	foolsh	its much better
04:49:35	foolsh	ther's an off by one onthe e200, the screen has a white line up the right hand side with rotation CCW but no big deal
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08:27:05	benwah	hi
08:27:17	foolsh	hello benwah
08:28:13	benwah	I purchased sansa clip zip long ago. Is this still a good model to buy or is something obviously better these days
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08:30:49	foolsh	I admit, I know very little on this subject, but personally if price was not an option, I would seek out a creative zen, or ipod video to mod.
08:31:47	foolsh	the fuze line of products may be plastic happy meal feeling players, but the screen size is nice
08:33:53	benwah	i only listen to song ever
08:34:12	foolsh	then the clip line, is still the right fit
08:36:17	foolsh	From the wiki "Rockbox runs on the Clip v1, Clip v2, Clip+ and ClipZip? models, and is generally stable enough to use. "
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09:02:10	alexbobp	my favorite thing about the zip line is that they can dangle harmlessly from the headphone cable if you drop them
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17:58:55	foolsh	[Franklin] o/
17:59:21	[Franklin]	foolsh: \o
17:59:27	[Franklin]	I got a nice graph of commits per day
17:59:55	[Franklin]	it turns out there were two major spikes in development
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18:00:54	foolsh	oh? what do they correlate with?
18:01:06	[Franklin]	8/21/2002
18:01:19	[Franklin]	and 10/1/2011
18:01:40	[Franklin]	there were 70 commits those two days
18:01:52	*	foolsh wonders what targets those were
18:02:09	[Franklin]	lol
18:02:19	[Franklin]	lets findo ut
18:02:45	*	foolsh has been slowly plucking away at keymaps for xworld
18:03:38	foolsh	xworld on the e200 is still less than spectacular with your latest changes
18:03:45	[Franklin]	fuze+
18:03:57	[Franklin]	it was pamaury adding keymaps for fuze+ plugins
18:04:03	foolsh	lol
18:04:34	[Franklin]	http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=log;pg=35
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18:11:53	[Franklin]	foolsh: http://fwei.tk/commits.png
18:12:46	foolsh	whoa
18:13:12	[Franklin]	its commits per day
18:13:20	foolsh	I see that
18:14:31	[Franklin]	lets try commits per month
18:16:02	[Franklin]	oh cool
18:18:44	[Franklin]	foolsh: http://fwei.tk/commits_per_month.png
18:19:05	foolsh	Object not found!
18:19:18	[Franklin]	try again
18:19:30	foolsh	+1
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18:25:00	[Saint]	wfm
18:25:12	[Franklin]	[Saint]: yes?
18:26:05	[Franklin]	foolsh: I suspect that most of the commits are on weekends
18:28:56	[Franklin]	lets find out
18:35:04	[Franklin]	weird
18:35:16	[Franklin]	Monday and Sunday have the most commits
18:35:23	[Franklin]	friday and saturday have the least
18:36:00	foolsh	I guess that makes sense
18:36:21	[Franklin]	why?
18:36:34	foolsh	people do stuff on the week end
18:36:43	[Franklin]	yeah, but why not saturday?
18:37:00	foolsh	poeple still go out on saturday
18:37:09	foolsh	it's called the weekend
18:37:12	foolsh	:)
18:37:14	[Saint]	you probably forgot to skew for timezones per author.
18:37:20	[Franklin]	[Saint]: aha
18:37:20	foolsh	that too
18:37:21	[Saint]	...understandable.
18:37:21	[Franklin]	yes!
18:37:28	[Franklin]	[Saint]: you're right?
18:37:35	[Franklin]	/s/?/!/
18:37:39	[Franklin]	I did
18:38:25	[Saint]	It also pays to note that gerrit completely fucks this up.
18:38:35	[Saint]	with gerrit, you get the submission date.
18:38:39	[Franklin]	[Saint]: I was doing commit date
18:38:50	[Franklin]	should it be author date?
18:39:13	[Saint]	I...hmmm.
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18:40:02	foolsh	[Franklin] broke [Saint]
18:40:14	[Franklin]	lol
18:40:26	[Saint]	If you look at http://www.rockbox.org/recent.shtml#code for example, its all jacked up, due to gerrit.
18:40:27	foolsh	someone hit his reset button
18:40:46	[Saint]	The submissions are in order, but, the dates are the that which they wee submitted to gerrit.
18:40:56	[Saint]	not that of when they were committed to the codebase.
18:42:06	[Franklin]	ohhhhh
18:43:16	[Saint]	tl;dr: gerrit and author timezones make this chart pretty much impossible to create
18:43:22	[Saint]	with accuracy, at least.
18:43:32	foolsh	ballz
18:43:49	[Franklin]	it would have been interesting
18:43:57	[Saint]	Indeed.
18:44:11	[Franklin]	as would doing it by hour of the day
18:44:28	foolsh	you can take a subset of it before gerrit happened
18:45:00	[Franklin]	yes
18:45:20	foolsh	and then another one after it ;)
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18:46:50	foolsh	:) then average the deltas to give us the mean density of commits over time
18:48:26	*	[Franklin] considers changing careers
18:52:04	[Franklin]	statistics seem easy with a computer
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18:59:14	foolsh	[Franklin] so are gray scale targets still on the todo list?
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22:13:46	micah	i have this ancient ipod classic 80gb that I've been running rockbox on for a while (its an unsupported version), but sadly the drive is dying
22:14:02	micah	i'm looking to get another device that works really well with rockbox
22:14:54	micah	looking for small, and relatively cheap!
22:15:49	micah	what do people suggest?
22:17:45	micah	mostly interested in listening to podcasts while walking the dog in the freezing cold (so easy controls, esp. when using gloves is a plus). fm would be nice I guess, but otherwise I dont need recording
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22:28:40	[Saint]	micah: if its just the HDD, then, I'd just look at replacing it.
22:29:07	micah	[Saint]: i'm pretty sure its the HDD, but it looks a bit... complicated to replace
22:29:15	micah	they built those devices to not ever be opened
22:29:21	[Saint]	You can even cram solid state storage in there if you'd like to upgrade.
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22:41:43	micah	[Saint]: doesn't it depend on the ipod version?
22:41:51	micah	I can't seem to figure out which one mine is
22:43:02	[Saint]	There's only two types worth differentiating against, and, there's options for both.
22:43:42	micah	this seems to be Apple iPod classic ("Original"/6th Gen) 80 GB - model number A1238
22:44:48	micah	lol the opening process looks... fun https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod+Classic+Hard+Drive+Replacement/564
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22:46:05	micah	on the one hand, I'd like to extend the life of this device, on the other hand, I'd like a version of rockbox that is more supported, and isn't going to be a PITA to fix
22:46:18	micah	i can get an iriver h10 for $40, that is really tempting
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22:48:43	[Saint]	In what way do you mean "more supported"?
22:49:13	[Saint]	The 'unsupported' device classification almost certainly doesn't mean what you think it means.
22:49:35	[Saint]	sorry - 'unusable'.
22:50:18	[Saint]	The port is largely usable, and very stable, its just the installation procedure and lack of an official bootloader keeping the port classed as 'unusable' presently.
22:50:42	micah	i haven't looked to see if there is a new version available
22:51:05	micah	i'm running 9faabb9-130719
22:51:11	[Saint]	There's a new version available with every commit that enters the source tree.
22:51:40	[Saint]	the build you have there is _ancient_.
22:52:06	micah	:D
22:52:13	[Saint]	(Rockbox utility can handle the update process for you, or you can do it manually)
22:52:23	micah	rockbox utility?
22:52:43	micah	oh
22:52:48	micah	well, it wont work if my drive is bad
22:56:06	micah	in otherwords, i will need to be able to mount the device to use that, I presume
22:56:55	[Saint]	Aha. I interpreted 'dying' rather differently.
22:57:00	[Saint]	I would call that 'dead'.
22:57:59	micah	http://paste.debian.net/132078
22:58:09	micah	thats what I get when I try to mount it
22:58:23	micah	well, i don't call it dead because I can still listen to things on it! I just can't update it
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23:50:10	[Franklin]	foolzzzzzzzz: yes, they are
23:50:27	[Franklin]	foolzzzzzzzz: I haven't done anything to support them yet

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