#rockbox 2014-11-20

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01:21:57	micah	anyone know if its easy to change the battery on an iriver h10?
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02:05:38	franklin	micah: I guess the hardest part would be finding a replacement
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03:06:29	TheSeven	guys, it looks like we have an attack vector that might allow code execution on newer ipod nanos :)
03:06:41	TheSeven	it's being discussed on #freemyipod right now
03:07:10	TheSeven	and the underlying vulnerability is even more dumb than all the other ones that we used before ;)
03:07:16	alexbobp	ohh they still make nanos? cool
03:07:47	alexbobp	is it just the larger classics that are discontinued?
03:08:06	alexbobp	oh yeah these are iOS nanos. never mind. wow.
03:08:13	TheSeven	not really iOS
03:08:29	alexbobp	oh really?
03:08:31	TheSeven	they look like it, but they're still the old RTXC system as far as I can tell
03:08:38	[Franklin]	wow... I'd like rockbox on there!
03:08:39	TheSeven	just a new UI on top of that
03:14:37	alexbobp	wow
03:14:48	alexbobp	and all this time I assumed nanos could run a subset of published ios apps
03:14:59	alexbobp	but nope, I guess they have a touchscreen for basically no practical purpose >_>
03:15:53	[Franklin]	alexbobp: but if rockbox could be ported... :D
03:15:56	[Franklin]	2048!
03:15:57	[Franklin]	doom!
03:20:42	alexbobp	oh rockbox has 2048 now? I guess that's to be expected :P
03:20:53	*	alexbobp tries to imagine doom with pure touch controls
03:21:00	[Franklin]	yes, I wrote it :)
03:21:06	alexbobp	nice
03:21:21	alexbobp	but I bet doom on a new nano would be even more of a pain than on a sansa clip zip :D
03:22:11	[Franklin]	alexbobp: Another World too, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,48586
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03:35:32	foolsh	franklin: o/
03:36:16	franklin	hey foolsh
03:36:20	franklin	long time no see :)
03:36:32	franklin	well, I've been perfecting my virtual code wheel
03:36:37	franklin	for another world
03:36:39	foolsh	on gerrit?
03:36:44	franklin	no
03:36:55	franklin	I wasn't sure it'd be a good idea to push, for various reasons
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03:37:01	[Franklin]	legal and otherwise
03:37:08	foolsh	gti hub
03:37:14	[Franklin]	yeah, but still
03:37:18	[Franklin]	ok sure
03:37:36	[Franklin]	it's not the best code
03:39:21	foolsh	I did not have logging enabled
03:41:09	foolsh	but if you were going to impliment 100% 125% 150% MAX then it not a issue
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07:30:03	ebegdab	Are there any plans to give an update for Cygwin? It seems like it hasn't been updated since 2007.
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09:14:24	ebegdab	I have limited bandwidth, is there any way I can download a windows development environment, without having to download the entire vm?
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09:32:07	greatwolf	I'm playing around with the idea of using a rockbox enabled player as a 2FA device. I already wrote the lua implementation but I need to adapt it to use rockbox's rb table. what's the easiest way to debug this w/o having to unplug, replug and run the script everytime?
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10:12:34	foolsh	greatwolf: there is logf over serial http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PortalPlayerUsb
10:12:47	foolsh	but I'm no sure thats what you're talking about
10:13:21	foolsh	and I'm not sure your player supports it
10:15:26	gevaerts	I'd suggest using the simulator first
10:19:44	greatwolf	kk will look into that, I'm using a sansa e260 btw
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11:30:35	Guest31373	are the ipod classic daily builds (relatively) stable enough for use?
11:31:55	gevaerts	Most people seem to think so
11:32:20	gevaerts	Well, they're not technically daily, they're built after every commit :)
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11:35:39	ender`	i don't think i ever ran a release build on my devices
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12:13:16	greatwolf	is there any doc on rb.do_menu and the parameters it takes? the closest I've found is http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=apps/plugin.h#l776 but the argument order seems to differ from lua
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13:04:24	Cunctator	Hi everyone, I'm the guy that last week discovered that his brand new iPod classic had an HDD failure while installing Rockbox. Today the replacement unit arrived from the Apple service, and I am trying to do the process again VERY carefully. I'm following the freemyipod instructions (i've installed only the Apple drivers, not the whole iTunes), but I find myself with the same issue I had with the other iPod:
13:05:03	Cunctator	at the stage "The display of your iPod should now stay black, and a new USB device called "Apple Recovery (DFU) USB Driver" should connect to your PC." my PC sees no such device connected. I HEAR the "something-has-been-plugged-in" sound, but nothing comes in "my Computer"
13:05:36	Cunctator	now, I've searched other threads on the website, and a guy there claims it doesnt matter, to just go through running bootstrapipodclassicitunes.exe
13:05:45	Cunctator	but before doing ANYTHING, i want to check with you
13:06:51	Cunctator	ATM the ipod is in DFU mode (black, turned off), and plugged in. I'll wait for instructions, whenever someone has time.
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13:23:33	copper	Cunctator: did you see a driver installation taking place on your PC?
13:24:02	Cunctator	not after the DFU mode was "activated", no
13:24:05	Cunctator	just the sound
13:24:41	copper	well the UMSboot drive isn't mounted yet, so I don't expect you should see a device in explorer yet
13:25:15	Cunctator	its not the "64MB drive called "UMSboot" that i dont see
13:25:26	Cunctator	its the "Apple Recovery (DFU) USB Driver"
13:25:38	copper	that's a driver, not a storage device
13:26:00	copper	am I misunderstanding what you're saying?
13:26:17	copper	where in "My Computer" are you looking?
13:26:25	Cunctator	no...you make sense. But then the line "a new USB device called "Apple Recovery (DFU) USB Driver" should connect to your PC." on the guide is pretty misleading
13:26:48	Cunctator	i was expecing something to pop out under my computer BEFORE i ran bootstrap
13:26:55	copper	running bootstrapipodclassicitunes.exe should be safe
13:26:58	copper	even if it fails
13:27:13	copper	you can always recover from it
13:27:20	Cunctator	alright, I replug the iPod then
13:27:59	Cunctator	ok plugged in, i hear the "plugged-in" sound
13:28:11	Cunctator	no "driver installation" dialogue box tho
13:28:16	Cunctator	its all quiet
13:28:23	copper	there should be an icon notification in the taskbar
13:28:31	copper	er
13:28:31	Cunctator	there aint
13:28:34	copper	what's it called
13:29:02	copper	bleh, whatever
13:29:19	copper	run the exe - if that fails, then I guess the driver installation failed
13:29:26	Cunctator	alrigh...
13:29:29	copper	Windows is bloody annoying
13:30:28	Cunctator	OK so listen
13:30:30	Cunctator	3 things happened
13:31:08	Cunctator	1) the black DOS window says: "ERROR 31: A device attached to the system is not functioning"
13:31:31	Cunctator	2) a SUCCESS white window comes out saying: UMSboot has been launched!
13:31:48	Cunctator	3) my ipod has a "fuzzy" apple logo, and a big black band on the left
13:31:59	copper	ugh
13:32:01	copper	that's not good
13:32:05	Cunctator	(incidentally this is EXACTLY what happened last time)
13:32:09	copper	you shouldn't be seeing an Apple logo
13:32:16	Cunctator	(Im scared I'm ficking up another ipod here...)
13:32:52	Cunctator	ah and 4) the USBboot partiton is open
13:32:53	copper	someone needs to make a live Linux distro on a USB stick with an automated emCORE installation process
13:33:10	copper	you see the 64 MB mount?
13:33:14	Cunctator	yes
13:33:17	copper	weird
13:33:29	copper	try the next installation step
13:33:43	copper	copy installer-ipodclassic.ubi to the 64 MB "drive"
13:33:57	Cunctator	you sure? are we 100% sure that the HDD damage I had last time was NOT because of all of this?
13:34:15	copper	No.
13:34:22	Cunctator	great
13:34:41	copper	sigh
13:34:45	copper	it's so much easier on Linux
13:35:02	Cunctator	dude, I believe you, but I just don't have a Linux machine handy...
13:35:04	copper	if you know how to use Linux on the command line, that is
13:35:48	copper	in what country do you live?
13:35:53	Cunctator	italy
13:36:07	Cunctator	does that make a difference?
13:36:34	copper	I was just thinking of alternative and radical solutions to your problem :P
13:37:10	copper	I very much doubt your iPods are to blame
13:37:16	copper	it's just Windows fuckery
13:37:19	Cunctator	well me now
13:37:23	Cunctator	me too now
13:38:24	Cunctator	so shoudl I restore, unplug, reboot, what?
13:38:40	copper	do you have a second PC or laptop?
13:38:45	Cunctator	yes
13:38:51	Cunctator	a win7 one
13:39:03	foolsh	May I suggest a full restore, then I would strongly suggest using a virtual machine with linux installed to continue
13:39:05	copper	did you try the installation process on that one?
13:39:14	Cunctator	nope
13:39:45	copper	IIRC there are problems particular to Win8
13:39:56	copper	maybe you'll get more luck with Win7
13:40:06	Cunctator	OK...full restore means I have to reinstal itunes right?
13:40:06	copper	or you could install a Linux virtual machine like foolsh says
13:40:11	copper	nah
13:40:20	copper	you can just reboot the ipod
13:40:33	copper	press-holding menu and center button for a long time
13:40:39	Cunctator	well, OK lets see
13:40:46	Cunctator	should I eject the 64mb partition first?
13:40:50	copper	nothing was installed so there's nothing to recover or repair
13:40:53	copper	yes
13:41:30	copper	press-hold until you see the Apple logo
13:41:58	Cunctator	ok clean Apple logo, then back to the normal welcome page
13:42:14	copper	good, your iPod is fine :)
13:42:49	Cunctator	well, not sure yet. Last time it did the same, except that it started getting reallocated sectors more and more every sync I did
13:42:54	Cunctator	until it would not sync anymore
13:43:35	Cunctator	OK, not this time. Diagnostics are clean
13:44:10	Cunctator	so, try again from stratch on the Win7 machine?
13:44:33	Cunctator	should I wait for some super wizard like The7 to show up?
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13:44:49	copper	I say you can just try on the Win7 machine
13:44:56	Cunctator	(not belittling your abilities, I've just been told he's the Supreme Master :) )
13:45:18	copper	just go step by step as long as every step completes as expected
13:45:28	copper	yeah he's the iPod Jedi Master
13:45:32	Cunctator	:)
13:46:29	copper	was iTunes ever installed on your Win7 computer?
13:46:52	Cunctator	yeah, unfortunately it is
13:46:56	Cunctator	right now
13:47:20	Cunctator	,my GF's PC
13:49:10	Cunctator	ill get to it in some 20 minutes, got some chores to do
13:49:29	copper	I'll have to leave soon too
13:50:22	Cunctator	well if it does the same shit i will leave it and wait for some support
13:51:05	copper	if that fails, I'd look into installing a Linux Virtual Machine
13:54:04	foolsh	I'd suggest Ubuntu if you do go the VM route, because its the user friendliest out there IMO
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14:07:04	Cunctator	except guys that I really have no idea where to start with that. It's just frustrating that dozens of people seem to have no problem whatsoever with Windows installation...
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14:17:09	copper	well, at least it's a one time thing
14:17:23	copper	once emCORE is installed, you don't have to update it to update Rockbox
14:18:03	copper	also, installing a Linux VM might not be "simpler" for you, but it would likely give you a much greater chance of success
14:20:49	copper	there are tutorials all over the web for this
14:20:51	copper	like http://www.instructables.com/id/Introduction-38/?ALLSTEPS
14:21:26	Cunctator	umm
14:21:30	Cunctator	thats Win7 tho
14:21:33	Cunctator	i got 8.1
14:21:34	copper	or http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/virtualbox
14:22:22	copper	should work pretty much the same on Win8
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14:42:47	Cunctator	great so Win7 doesnt work either. As I connected the DFU mode iPod it starts "installing driver" but it ends up saying " Device driver software was not successfully installed −− No driver found"
14:43:06	copper	that's the problem I ran into with Win7 too
14:43:46	copper	just follow one of those howtos or find another one you like, and install a Linux VM
14:44:18	copper	it's worth the hassle, just install emCORE once and for all
14:44:32	copper	and it's not that complicated
14:44:41	Cunctator	you might be right..
14:44:52	Cunctator	(how do i get OUT of DFU mode on my ipod again?)
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14:45:53	copper	press-hold select + menu
14:47:30	Cunctator	how does this look to you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH29ALyraG4
14:51:07	copper	I don't run Windows and don't use virtual machines - just follow whatever guide looks good to you
14:51:36	Cunctator	alright..
14:52:02	Cunctator	last question
14:52:08	Cunctator	say i do this
14:52:34	Cunctator	how hard is it to then go though the emCORE installation procedure? Do I need linux-specific knowledge?
14:52:48	Cunctator	one thing is to instal this virtual box. Another to use it.
14:56:31	copper	yes, but you'll find help here
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18:18:02	robertdundee	hi pamaury good evening i ran the file and got an libusbx: error [submit_control_transfer] submiturb failed error -1 errno=16 Cannot probe transfer size, please specify it on command line.
18:19:23	pamaury	robertdundee: are you sure you ran in as root using "sudo" ?
18:19:59	robertdundee	yes, exactly sudo ./sbloader_32 -u 041e:415a zenxfi_recovery.sb
18:20:30	pamaury	ah right, that's an old buggy version of sbloader, try to run:
18:20:41	pamaury	sudo ./sbloader_32 -x 64 -u 041e:415a zenxfi_recovery.sb
18:22:07	robertdundee	Pamaury transfer error at init step Error: cannot get status report
18:22:44	pamaury	ah damn, I think I know why and it's going to be a pain
18:22:47	pamaury	wait a minute
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18:30:27	pamaury	robertdundee: try to run this:
18:30:27	pamaury	rmmod usbhid
18:30:27	pamaury	modprobe usbhid quirks=0x041e:0x415a:0x0004
18:30:34	pamaury	then unplug and replug your device
18:30:38	pamaury	and retry with sbloader
18:34:06	robertdundee	sorry for the delay my keyboard and mouse stop responding
18:34:39	robertdundee	pamaury transfer error at init step Error: cannot get status report
18:36:09	pamaury	ah, did you reboot your machine ?
18:36:49	pamaury	because the "rmmod usbhid" basically kills all HID connected device to the linux, so if your virtual machine emulates keyboard and mouse using HID, it's normal it stopped responding :-/
18:36:51	robertdundee	pamaury just unplugged the keyboard and mouse and reconnect them
18:37:21	robertdundee	.(
18:37:37	pamaury	hum, can you retry with
18:37:37	pamaury	sudo ./sbloader_32 -x 64 -u 041e:415a zenxfi_recovery.sb
18:37:43	pamaury	unplug and replug your device before
18:38:05	robertdundee	yes transfer error at init step Error: cannot get status report
18:38:24	pamaury	err sorry, without the "-x 64"
18:38:26	pamaury	I'm tired sorry
18:38:45	robertdundee	thank you im learning this
18:39:46	robertdundee	a lot of strange signs on the screen, buffer overun prevented
18:41:29	robertdundee	Warning: zenxfi_recovery.sb 512: um_strcpy: buffer overrun prevented: str2tok[2]: 312>20
18:42:03	pamaury	wow, I'm never seen this
18:42:06	pamaury	*I've
18:45:16	robertdundee	I ran it again then sudo ./sbloader_32 -u 041e:415a zenxfi_recovery.sb then Cannot probe transfer size, please specify it on command line
18:45:17	pamaury	I'm sorry, I have to leave. I should be back in one hour
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18:45:58	robertdundee	it is ok, thank you Ill be around
18:46:22	pamaury	I have an idea about how to proceed, just don't have the time to explain it right now
18:48:20	robertdundee	no problem, the device seems ok
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19:32:30	ZincAlloy	rockbox on my clip zip just crashed during playback
19:33:02	ZincAlloy	"prefetch abort a…" "FSR 0x8" "(domain 0, fault…"
19:33:37	ZincAlloy	pressed the stop button and it played about half a second of music
19:33:49	ZincAlloy	kept it pressed a little longer and now the backlight keeps flashing up
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20:11:13	robertdundee_	hi pamaury
20:11:22	pamaury	hi back
20:11:23	pamaury	so
20:12:08	pamaury	here is what I suggest: you use sbloader on windows, and only when rockbox bootloader is running on the ZEN device, then you make the device appear in the virtual machine
20:12:11	pamaury	is that clear ?
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20:12:48	robertdundee_	yes it is clear
20:13:17	robertdundee_	thank you let me try it
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20:21:12	robertdundee	pamaury no sucess. the pc crashed had to do a reboot. i dont know if using sendfirm in mtp tools can solve this issue
20:22:36	pamaury	apparently not because last time you tried it didn't work. You can retry the procedure: under windows (before giving the device to the virtual machine), use sbloader, then give the device to the virtual machine (without unplugging it of course)
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20:42:00	robertdundee	pamaury no sucess the device froze
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20:42:30	robertdundee	pamaury how can i specify the tranfer size on command line_
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20:44:27	pamaury	robertdundee: froze when ?
20:44:52	pamaury	the windows tool I sent you automatically detects the transfer size
20:45:03	pamaury	you need to use the sbloader on windows
20:45:05	robertdundee	when i try to give the device to virtual machine
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20:45:59	robertdundee	it seems that everything goes right untill the moment of transfering firmware to the device
20:45:59	pamaury	so manage to get the bootloader running (small writings on the screen) but when you give the device to the machine it freezes ?
20:47:19	robertdundee	yes and the sound of the usb disconnet plays in windows
20:48:27	pamaury	so the virtual machines never sees the device ?
20:48:53	robertdundee	exactly
20:49:48	pamaury	this is going to be tricky :( so it would be best to do everything under linux but we need to understand why it fails under Linux. I think it's because of usbhid driver messing with the device
20:50:34	pamaury	could you try this:
20:50:34	pamaury	reset the device, give it to the linux (the ROM recovery, don't use sbloader), and then run:
20:50:34	pamaury	sudo lsusb -v -d 041e:415a
20:50:47	robertdundee	all right
20:51:53	robertdundee	done it took a while on the terminal windows
20:52:51	robertdundee	in lsusb now shows as a root hub
20:54:28	robertdundee	before it was Bus 001 Device 060: ID 041e:415a Creative Technology, Ltd
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20:56:36	pamaury	I don't understand, when you run " lsusb -v -d 041e:415a" it should print many lines, does it ?
20:58:44	robertdundee	it does not just shows the directory im in
20:59:39	pamaury	did you give the ROM recovery device to the machine ?
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21:00:02	robertdundee	yes i did
21:00:52	robertdundee	the sd card also shows a a root hub
21:01:46	pamaury	I'm lost, did you upload the bootloader to the device before giving it to the machine ?
21:02:10	robertdundee	no i did not
21:02:24	robertdundee	shall I upload it_
21:03:21	robertdundee	must be a problem with the mtp tools
21:05:17	pamaury	no, don't upload anything to the device before giving it to the machine this time, then in linux if you type "lsusb", you should get a line "Bus 001 Device 060: ID 041e:415a Creative Technology, Ltd", do you ?
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21:07:08	robertdundee	no, after i gave it to the machine showed as a 2.0 root hub
21:07:27	robertdundee	perhaps the device memory fails
21:08:13	pamaury	no that's impossible
21:08:29	pamaury	the device cannot appear as a root hub
21:08:46	pamaury	can you pastebin the output of lsusb ?
21:10:32	robertdundee	sure, one sec please
21:16:24	robertdundee	http://www.pastebin.ca/2875447
21:16:29	GodEater	this is a very long second
21:17:17	robertdundee	my mistake im new to ubuntu
21:17:48	GodEater	that doesn't look like the command pamaury asked you to run
21:17:58	GodEater	you left off the -v -d 041e:415a
21:18:23	pamaury	robertdundee: you don't seem to have given the device to the machine
21:19:45	pamaury	robertdundee: could you give me the output of "dmesg \| tail -20" ?
21:24:13	robertdundee	~/Downloads$ dmesg \| tail -20 [ 3507.205207] usb 1-1.5: new high-speed USB device number 70 using ehci-pci [ 3507.298648] usb 1-1.5: New USB device found, idVendor=041e, idProduct=415a [ 3507.298653] usb 1-1.5: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 [ 3507.298656] usb 1-1.5: Product: ROM Recovery [ 3507.298659] usb 1-1.5: Manufacturer: Sigmatel, Inc. [ 3517.291536] hid-generic 0003:041E:415A.0011: usb_submit_urb
21:26:10	pamaury	robertdundee: please use pastebin.com
21:28:18	robertdundee	http://www.pastebin.ca/2875467
21:30:28	pamaury	robertdundee: did you reboot the virtual machine ?
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21:31:11	robertdundee	yes, virtualbox freezes
21:31:17	pamaury	if yes, please rerun:
21:31:17	pamaury	rmmod usbhid; modprobe usbhid quirks=0x041e:0x415a:0x0004
21:33:15	robertdundee	ERROR: could not insert 'usbhid': Operation not permitted
21:33:16	pamaury	and then retry inserting the device and running lsusb and "dmesg \| tail -203
21:33:37	pamaury	sorry, forgot sudo:
21:33:37	pamaury	sudo rmmod usbhid; sudo modprobe usbhid quirks=0x041e:0x415a:0x0004
21:37:30	robertdundee	http://www.pastebin.ca/2875475
21:39:08	pamaury	robertdundee: have you inserted the ROM recovery device ?
21:40:53	robertdundee	yes Im having problems with virtualbox
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21:44:04	pamaury	robertdundee: what is the output of lsusb ? usually you can check if virtualbox inserted the device in the Devices menu, inserted devices have a checkbox on the left
21:45:43	robertdundee	http://pastebin.ca/2875477
21:46:30	pamaury	good, now run:
21:46:36	pamaury	sudo lsusb -v -d 041e:415a
21:48:39	robertdundee	http://www.pastebin.ca/2875479
21:49:11	pamaury	perfect
21:49:14	pamaury	now, run:
21:49:25	pamaury	sudo ./sbloader_32 -x 64 -u 041e:415a zenxfi_recovery.sb
21:51:25	robertdundee	unable to mount rockbox http://www.pastebin.ca/2875480
21:52:14	robertdundee	great, first time it boots under ubuntu
21:52:35	pamaury	now give the device to ubuntu if it's not the case
21:53:05	robertdundee	Unable to open MTP device '[usb:001,099]'
21:53:44	pamaury	what is printing this message ?
21:53:57	pamaury	does the virtual machine has the device ?
21:54:09	robertdundee	ubuntu with a negative sign
21:54:26	pamaury	what is the output of lsusb now ?
21:54:31	robertdundee	Unable to mount Rockbox media player
21:57:21	robertdundee	http://www.pastebin.ca/2875483
21:57:48	pamaury	and what is the output of "dmesg \| tail -20" ?
21:59:42	robertdundee	http://www.pastebin.ca/2875484
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22:00:00	pamaury	that's very nice :)
22:00:14	robertdundee	in ubuntu appears mounted onthe left screen this is great thank you
22:00:25	pamaury	now please run:
22:00:25	pamaury	sudo dd if=/dev/sde bs=1M count=10 of=zenxfi_dump.bin
22:00:59	robertdundee	dd: failed to open ‘/dev/sde’: No medium found
22:01:49	pamaury	hum
22:02:27	robertdundee	http://www.pastebin.ca/2875487
22:03:13	pamaury	I'm afraid your internal storage might be broken :(
22:04:03	pamaury	I need more debug info to check this
22:04:07	robertdundee	oh no I kind of suspect it
22:04:17	pamaury	I'll send you a debug build tomorrow
22:04:34	pamaury	If the storage is broken, we'll see it immediately
22:04:46	robertdundee	thank you pamaury what is great is that finally it boots under ubuntu
22:05:13	robertdundee	what does disable partition window means_
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22:06:52	pamaury	robertdundee: err, that's a bit complicated
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22:07:21	robertdundee	no worries
22:07:35	pamaury	basically it means that the bootloader is exporting the entire drive, including the hidden partitions
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22:08:17	pamaury	during normal operation, the drive would only show a "window", to hide the firmware partition
22:09:08	robertdundee	thanks for the explanation. tomorrow I will start searching for new internal storage
22:10:18	pamaury	problem is you cannot change it easily, I'm afraid you'll have to buy a new device if that's the case
22:11:14	robertdundee	oh then i bette keep my hopes high
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22:51:27	user01	i have an sacd ogg that skips on my ipod g5 under rockbox . . . im guessing because of the frequency of 176400Hz Stereo
22:53:34	user01	anyone know the max quality/frequency for a ipod 5?
22:54:01	user01	i must be exceeding it in some way
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23:00:28	copper	Rockbox resamples everything to 44.1 kHz (by default) or 48 kHz
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23:01:12	copper	I guess your iPod is coping with the resampling process, especially if you're also using the EQ with many bands
23:01:41	user01	copper cool thanks, so i should resample to 48000 then?
23:01:50	copper	note that making a Vorbis file with a sampling rate that's higher than 48 kHz doesn't make much sense
23:02:14	franklin	copper: why?
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23:02:48	copper	because 44.1 kHz already covers the entire range of frequencies that humans can hear
23:03:16	*	[Franklin] thought it was a technical reason
23:03:23	copper	it IS a technical reason
23:03:35	copper	the technical side of human hearing
23:03:36	[Franklin]	software reason
23:04:04	copper	48 KHz would make sense if the rest of your collection is also 48 kHz
23:04:22	copper	otherwise, 44.1 kHz would make more sense
23:05:03	copper	and you should set the sampling frequency in Rockbox to the sampling frequency that reflects the majority of your collection
23:05:04	user01	copper: not for better audio quality?
23:05:09	copper	nope
23:05:28	copper	increasing the sampling rate beyond human abilities only adds noise that can't be heared
23:05:33	copper	heard
23:05:35	[Franklin]	(unless you're a robot)
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23:05:43	user01	copper: ok then i guess ill stick to 44.1
23:06:04	user01	flac
23:06:15	copper	Vorbis is fine
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23:06:30	copper	lossy vs. lossless is another matter
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23:14:09	copper	I should add that what I just said mostly applies for listening purposes only, not editing
23:14:17	copper	(about high sampling rates)
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23:21:23	copper	though obviously, one would not use a lossy codec (vorbis) for editing purposes
23:23:17	greatwolf	is there a tutorial or doc that covers the lua plugin api? I've look at various places like http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob_plain;f=apps/plugin.h and http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginLua but there's a lack of continuity; they don't really convey how the pieces fit together
23:23:39	user01	copper: thanks!
23:24:22	greatwolf	like for example, rb.yield, what exactly does that function do. under what contexts and assumptions can I call it under? etc.
23:24:34	[Franklin]	greatwolf: I'd suggest first you learn the C api
23:24:50	[Franklin]	see how that works, and much of that should carry over to lua
23:26:09	greatwolf	Franklin is there a more comprehensive C reference for the api I can look at? I think that can help
23:28:12	[Franklin]	plugin.h
23:28:18	[Franklin]	and existing plugins
23:32:51	[Franklin]	lua is really useless, TBH
23:33:33	greatwolf	why's that
23:33:49	[Franklin]	it's slow
23:33:54	*	gevaerts recommends not always taking [Franklin]'s opinions too seriously
23:33:54	[Franklin]	and incomplete right now
23:34:02	[Franklin]	gevaerts: true...
23:34:15	[Franklin]	but first, look at the C api
23:35:01	[Franklin]	but really, you'll need to understand the api, i.e. rb->yield
23:35:15	[Franklin]	before you can write any useful plugins, in any language
23:35:28	greatwolf	but isn't lua just using the underlying bindings to the C api? why would it be that much slower than writing the plugin in C
23:35:49	[Franklin]	because its interpreted
23:35:59	[Franklin]	and uses a lot of memory
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23:39:42	greatwolf	Franklin I was hoping there's some kind of reference that covers each of the functions in the C api. the plugin.h doesn't have as much comments covering that as I'd hope
23:40:57	greatwolf	like rb.yield, I see it declared as a function pointer but there's nothing explaining, what it's effects and behavior are, assumptions it makes etc. where would I find this information?
23:41:48	[Franklin]	greatwolf: look at other plugins
23:42:13	[Franklin]	and ask people
23:42:19	greatwolf	kk
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