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#rockbox log for 2014-11-22

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00:46:38shadowcoderI am an invitee to your channel
00:46:44[Franklin]hello
00:49:22[Franklin]ok, to sum it up, there's now a possibility of arbitrary code execution on the iPod nano6g (the square one)
00:49:31[Franklin]and when there's code... there's rockbox :D
00:56:48*[Saint] isn't honestly sure anyone is particularly interested in Rockbox on this wee POS, are they?
00:57:25[Saint]I mean, think of a Clip, and then, make it about 10 times worse.
00:57:34[Franklin]at least it's got a color screen
00:57:39[Franklin]and a hires one
00:58:01[Franklin]and plus, at least you can still buy this one
00:58:09[Saint]...but, would you?
00:58:20[Franklin]yes
00:58:26[Saint]If anyone bought this in today's age, I would laugh at them.
00:58:29[Saint]For a very long time.
00:58:31[Saint]Long and hard.
00:58:49[Franklin]then laugh away
00:59:00[Saint]Hahaha...you bought one?
00:59:04[Saint]Oh god.
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01:00:50[Franklin]the possible exploit that's being look into involves fonts and freetype
01:01:04*[Saint] is well aware
01:01:24*[Franklin] was saying it for the benefit of all on the channel
01:01:26[Saint]That exploit is as old as the hills and not specific to this device
01:01:53shadowcoderAll the better
01:01:56[Saint]any old freetype implementation is wide open.
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01:04:41[Saint]So - what happened to OP wanting to keep this under wraps?
01:04:53[Saint]Did that change, or are you gleefully ignoring OP's wishes?
01:06:54[Franklin]it was publicly discussed on #freemyipod
01:07:31shadowcoderI meant, "Don't change the rockbox homepage to NEW DEVICES COMING SOON"
01:07:37[Saint]You mean the same channel where it was also said "please keep this under wraps"?
01:08:08[Saint]shadowcoder: unless its going to be you doing it, I don't see that happening any time soon.
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01:09:04[Saint]The level of involvement puts this firmly out of reach for most of our active submitters.
01:09:21[Saint]And, those who could, aren't interested, to the best of my knowledge.
01:09:26*[Franklin] thinks he might do it
01:09:29*[Franklin] might too
01:09:45[Saint]Are you aware of the _vast_ amount of reverse engineering this requires?
01:09:45[Franklin]some ports have been done by one person working solo, no?
01:09:59[Franklin]shadowcoder seems up to the task
01:10:04*[Franklin] can learn
01:10:19[Saint]I'm just sayin'....this isn't going to be another "Hey, maybe I'll write a now OS or a AI" again is it?
01:10:32[Saint]*new
01:10:46[Franklin]yes, I am well aware ;)
01:11:01[Franklin]there's really nothing to lose
01:11:28[Saint]This is the type of project that say, [7] or pamaury would find intimidating.
01:11:41[Franklin]so
01:11:55[Saint]so - you know where you're at just as I do.
01:11:58[Saint]Just sayin'.
01:12:00[Franklin]it'd be a good learning project even if I fail
01:12:13*[Saint] isn't so sure
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01:12:52[Saint]from plugins to reverse engineering undocumented SoCs is quite a leap, but, good luck.
01:13:02[Franklin]ok here we go
01:13:34TheSevenhave fun with the FTL ;)
01:13:43[Saint]Yeah.
01:13:47TheSeven(once you actually have code execution)
01:13:53[Saint]I wasn't even going to mention that.
01:14:05TheSevenbut I hope that will be mostly a matter of time given that we can mess with arbitrary resources in apple's blob
01:14:14*[Franklin] just hopes to get code execution working
01:14:18[Saint]I'm not sure if its being grasped how much of a _truly_ huge undertaking this is.
01:14:26[Franklin]what's there to lose?
01:14:27[Saint]Like..really, huge.
01:14:32TheSevenmostly time ;)
01:14:40[Saint]Lots and lots of it. :)
01:14:40[Franklin]exactly TheSeven
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01:14:56shadowcoder[Saint]: I understand it's a big undertaking,
01:15:06[Saint]massive.
01:15:16shadowcoderand equally much so, I don't think I'm biting off more than I can chew for one reason:
01:15:23shadowcodermy goal is NOT to port rockbox
01:15:32*TheSeven hopes that some major parts of the 8723 aren't that much different from the 8720 after all
01:15:36shadowcoderMy long-term goal is to flash it with a helloworld OS
01:16:03shadowcoderI'm under the assumption someone like [Franklin] will pickup where I left off, but that's not part of my plan
01:16:07[Franklin]and make it fill the screen with green?
01:16:12[Saint]shadowcoder: well, the two share some goals, I mean, I'm assuming you're going to want to access the filesystem, no?
01:16:26*TheSeven doubts that ;)
01:16:28[Saint]If you just want to play in RAM, then, things are a lot easier for you.
01:16:29[Franklin][Saint]: does a helloworld OS need to access the filesystem? :)
01:16:45shadowcoderMm, I wanna see some pretty colours
01:17:00shadowcoder(:P)
01:17:17[Franklin]shadowcoder: that's probably gonna take 100 man-hours in itself
01:17:19[Saint]Well, someone might pick it up, but who that is in the end remains to be seen.
01:17:22[Saint]Best of luck.
01:17:29[Franklin]to display text, meh, 5 hours maybe?
01:18:28[Saint]If one looks at the N2G port, which is still unfinished, you're looking at multiple years.
01:18:36[Saint]and that has had multiple authors.
01:18:52[Franklin][Saint]: think shorter-term
01:18:54TheSeven[Saint]: what's unfinished about that one? (except for someone breaking USB a few years ago)
01:18:58[Franklin]for now, just code execution
01:19:07[Franklin]no port is possible without that
01:21:12[Saint]TheSeven: aside from USB/HID, just a few klingons, recording, IAP, RTC(?), annoying pop presumably from something filling with a charge at poweron that only a few of them seem to do...
01:21:17[Saint]Ummm, I"m sure there's more.
01:21:20[Saint]Its been a while.
01:21:28TheSevenRTC is a hardware bug
01:21:32[Saint]Ah.
01:21:36TheSevenmenu+select reset occasionally just kills it
01:21:46TheSevenapart from that it seems to work
01:22:13[Saint]It seems to have the same issue as the Classic before playback starts.
01:22:25[Saint]Something not powered up correctly or something.
01:22:33[Saint]Annoying hiss until playback starts the first time.
01:22:37TheSevenand I think I've seen an IAP patch ;)
01:23:07TheSevenfor classic, but most of that will apply to nano2g as well
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01:41:50shadowcoderFeel welcomed, bertrik
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02:08:47[Saint]bertrik's a part of the furniture here. ;)
02:09:15[Franklin]lol
02:10:52*bertrik stands very still, trying to not be noticed
02:12:20shadowcoderhehe
02:12:28[Franklin]shadowcoder: wrong guy :)
02:12:55[Franklin]shadowcoder: look at the hostmasks
02:12:56shadowcoder[Franklin]: hmm?
02:13:12[Franklin]shadowcoder: if it's an IP, they're here to ask a question
02:13:21[Franklin]unaffiliated, then a more experienced user
02:13:31shadowcoderOh, I just say hello to anyone who happens to enter a channel if I'm on
02:13:34[Franklin]rockbox/developer is pretty much self-explanatory :)
02:13:45[Franklin]shadowcoder: it really fills up the logs here
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03:40:55[Franklin]I have a function with which I can get n 8-bit samples
03:40:55[Franklin]how can I plugin this into rockbox?
03:40:56[Franklin]also, it can't use the audiobuf
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12:44:58shadowcoderfoolsh: Hey, that's my motivation
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15:44:43_wodz_TheSeven: Are there any logs of discussion related to found new exploit vector? I can't find any
15:47:16TheSeven_wodz_: http://pastie.org/9731274 and http://static.dyp.im/qmSI7YsYam/99bbdf007f2acb1922664d29fc57c048.jpg
15:48:19_wodz_thx
15:48:46TheSeventhis means we have a lot more attack surface opened up now
15:49:02TheSevenand we know that it uses rather ancient freetype which has some CVE's
15:49:23TheSevenand the fonts are in that rsrc partition ;)
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16:03:58_wodz_hmm, I don't get what is the attack vector from this log unfortunately
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17:08:26[Franklin]foolsh: what'd I clobber?
17:16:52[Franklin]oh.... the manual?
17:18:10[Franklin]also note that the mrobe500 barely works
17:18:20[Franklin]there's junk at the right of the screen
17:18:30[Franklin]and rotation doesn't work
17:18:45foolsh[Franklin]: o/
17:18:56foolshYeah I test the sim out
17:21:34foolshyou still have the bitmaps and changes to config.h
17:21:43foolshin your local branch
17:22:53[Franklin]aha
17:23:41foolshI keep pulling them out
17:23:53foolshyou keep pushing them in :)
17:24:37foolshbut truthfully, you're doing a great job on xworld
17:25:38[Franklin]lol
17:26:05[Franklin]oh yeah, I'm an idiot
17:26:13[Franklin]git commit -a doesn't work
17:26:24[Franklin](all the time)
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17:29:55[Franklin]but yeah, I'll try not to push unreleated files
17:30:00[Franklin]BTW, I'm working on sound locally
17:33:52foolshrockboy might have some clues to help the mrobe500
17:37:10[Franklin]probably greylib will be impossible
17:37:15[Franklin]it needs the user timer
17:37:21[Franklin]but sound needs the user timer too
17:44:45[Franklin]foolsh: but I need someone who understands sound to help me with it
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18:12:53robertdundeehi no worries thanks
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18:57:11[Franklin]foolsh: I think I've got audio down
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18:58:29foolsh[Franklin]: cool
18:59:38[Franklin]not working yet
18:59:41[Franklin]but the code's there
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19:31:45[Franklin]foolsh: I just got an idea
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19:32:02[Franklin]instead of using timers, why not make a thread that polls until it's time for the timer to be fired
19:32:57[Franklin]the problem with this is that there's barely any yields() in the code
19:33:08[Franklin]which is my next order of business now
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19:54:37[Franklin]foolsh: this seems like a bug in the original code
19:54:40[Franklin]...
19:56:03[Franklin]AudioCallback takes an uint8_t* argument
19:56:13[Franklin]but then it casts the pointer to int8_t*
19:56:20[Franklin]and the rest of the code uses int8_t*
19:56:27[Franklin]weird
19:56:46[Franklin]actually, no
19:56:52[Franklin]the rest of the code doesn't use int8_t*
19:57:05[Franklin]oh wait nvm
19:58:09foolshlol
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20:08:58[Franklin]yeah, it uses int8_t internally
20:09:08[Franklin]and then converts to uint8_t upon returning
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20:14:46[Franklin]foolsh: I'm gonna push the sound code
20:14:50[Franklin]it probably won't work
20:14:55[Franklin]but try it and see :)
20:16:54[Franklin]man this sounds bad in the sim
20:17:02[Franklin]not sure if its my speakers or the game
20:17:06[Franklin]but it seems to be working
20:18:21[Franklin]foolsh: try it
20:18:25foolshOk
20:18:42[Franklin]ugh I keep commiting export.h
20:18:45[Franklin]config.h
20:20:42foolshlol and the bitmaps ;)
20:25:59[Franklin]they're not in my tree!
20:26:24[Franklin]nvm
20:26:28[Franklin]lol
20:27:13[Franklin]they are
20:27:29foolshgit can be a cranky about deleting files, if you don't do it through the git command "git rm ./foo"
20:27:49foolsha bit cranky*
20:28:02[Franklin]yes, I know
20:28:54foolshI just delete my branch and cherry pick the new changes from gerrit everytime, if there's a better way to colaborate with gerrit I don't know it ;)
20:30:30foolshwith you leap frogging ahead thoughout the week, it's not relistace to make changes until you're asleep :)
20:30:40foolshrealistic*
20:30:46[Franklin]lol
20:31:10*[Franklin] makes a tiny CGI script
20:31:16[Franklin]a 'mutex' cgi script
20:31:26[Franklin]and I'm gonna host it on my server
20:32:59[Franklin]you query with status=true, and it sets to true
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20:33:02[Franklin]and status=false=false
20:33:15[Franklin]check it before you push
20:33:21[Franklin]and set it too
20:38:25foolsh[Franklin]: I think something is wrong with this, not only is the sound of xworld either not working or so terrible I can't distiguish it
20:38:44foolshand now rockbox won't play music files either :/
20:39:05foolshlet me build HEAD and make sure nothing else is to blame
20:39:53[Franklin]it's xworld
20:41:48[Franklin]sorry, gtg
20:44:37foolsho/
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