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00:06:17	Ivoah	What is "internal_rom_000000-0FFFFF.bin" and why is it on my iPod?
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01:19:02	orzo	would it be difficult to obtain a proprietary license for rockbox?
01:19:41	[Franklin]	near impossible
01:20:07	alexbobp	what would anyone want that for anyways :P
01:20:11	[Franklin]	though you /could/ legally sell it
01:20:19	[Franklin]	orzo: why?
01:20:36	alexbobp	you can legally sell it... along with full source code and a license to modify and/or redistribute free of charge under the gpl
01:21:18	orzo	well i was thinking more of permision to borrow code into a larger code base of nonfree code that i don't want to gpl
01:21:35	orzo	er, larger tghan the code i take from rockbox, not larger than rockbox
01:22:27	[Franklin]	that's exactly what the GPL is meant to prevent :p
01:22:34	orzo	prevent without permision
01:22:50	alexbobp	well you would need permission from everyone who contributed code to the project
01:23:13	[Franklin]	yeah
01:23:13	alexbobp	why should one person in here be able to give you permission to steal the GPLed work of everyone else who contributed?
01:23:19	[Franklin]	but most are long-gone
01:23:32	*	[Franklin] would be the first to oppose
01:23:55	alexbobp	me too... this sounds quite sketchy...
01:24:01	orzo	heh
01:24:23	alexbobp	orzo: is it a codebase you don't want to gpl because it's some other free license, or is it a codebase you don't want to gpl because you want it to be proprietary?
01:24:36	alexbobp	because if it's the former... then I guess it's a tragic misalignment of licenses... it happens.
01:24:49	alexbobp	if it's the latter, then that's exactly what people here probably don't want you to be able to do :P
01:24:55	[Franklin]	the latter... eh :)
01:25:26	orzo	i'm not really serious
01:25:32	orzo	just idly wondering
01:25:58	[Franklin]	so unless you can get in contact with all ~600 of the contributors and have them agree to relicense...
01:26:13	orzo	some projets keep tidy lists of copyright holders
01:26:19	[Franklin]	so does rockbox
01:26:30	[Franklin]	rockbox/docs/CREDITS
01:27:02	alexbobp	the problem isn't contacting all the contributors, the problem is that if even 1 says no you can't do it, and 90% of them will say no
01:27:08	[Franklin]	http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=docs/CREDITS;h=96a5b784bd560816d8e7dc92338587ba1510daee;hb=HEAD
01:27:35	*	[Franklin] can imagine a situation when micro$oft contacts all the linux contributors and buys their code :P
01:27:40	orzo	well do they all have equal right to ever portion of the code base?
01:27:48	alexbobp	not exactly.
01:27:53	orzo	some projets keep per-file ontributer lists
01:27:54	alexbobp	if the code you want has been in rockbox for a long time, then you could look at a historic version with a shorter contributor list :P
01:28:23	alexbobp	but you can't just go with one file's contributors because that file is linking the other files in the project and is therefore bound by the GPL license on code written by other contributors
01:29:10	[Franklin]	orzo: rockbox kinda does, see git blame
01:29:36	alexbobp	in other words if dev A writes the core system library and it's GPL, and dev B writes a little rockbox subcomponent, dev B can't unilaterally relicense even that subcomponent because it links other GPLed code
01:30:04	alexbobp	LGPL would probably give you a little more wiggle room there
01:31:13	orzo	i see
01:31:54	alexbobp	if you can isolate someone's work from possibly being based on the work of other contributors, then you'd only need their permission
01:32:21	alexbobp	but with the interconnectedness of a project like rockbox, the only realistic way I can think of to do that is temporally... aka picking an early version with fewer contributors
01:32:37	alexbobp	but it's probably fruitless, I doubt even the original devs would be happy to relicense their code as proprietary
01:33:34	orzo	i figure most open source authors are happy to be paid for proprietary licences
01:35:33	[Franklin]	orzo: oh no
01:35:37	[Franklin]	some, yes
01:35:54	[Franklin]	alexbobp: those especially wouldn't relicense :P
01:37:43	alexbobp	orzo: believe it or not, people don't make open source firmware replacements for other people's mp3 players because they have dollar signs in their eyes
01:38:15	[Franklin]	some do :P
01:38:16	alexbobp	this project is as deeply embedded in hacker culture as any you'll find
01:38:19	[Franklin]	but not me
01:38:25	alexbobp	[Franklin]: heh well ok :P
01:38:50	alexbobp	the impression I get is that this project exists because people were tired of how much proprietary firmwares suck, and in particular, often intentionally don't do what users actually want
01:40:56	[Franklin]	I'd guess that perhaps a third of the contributors would agree to be "bought out"
01:41:10	[Franklin]	the rest would either be vehemently opposed, or just unreachable
01:42:11	alexbobp	now I wish I were a contributor just so I could be vehemently opposed! I'd have no say :P
01:43:45	orzo	heh
01:44:00	orzo	i think its silly to be blanket opposed
01:45:12	orzo	my project isnt and never will be a firmware for mp3 players, its just an android app that maybe could have benifited in a minor way
01:45:25	[Franklin]	what were you hoping to do?
01:45:50	[Franklin]	alexbobp: just write useless game plugins :D
01:45:52	alexbobp	orzo: will your android app be free?
01:45:57	orzo	iduno, i notice that the native decoder is buggy with regards cergtain files that im sure rockbox would handle well
01:45:57	alexbobp	orzo: or is this to benefit you in the wallethole?
01:46:07	[Franklin]	and open-source?
01:46:28	alexbobp	[Franklin]: tempting but there's already a goban!
01:46:39	[Franklin]	alexbobp: quake
01:46:47	[Franklin]	tic-tac-toe
01:46:49	orzo	heh
01:46:59	alexbobp	[Franklin]: who wants a tic tac toe?
01:47:02	orzo	obviously its not free, hence the dicussion's start
01:47:11	[Franklin]	orzo: as I said before, it's perfectly legal to sell an open-source program
01:47:20	[Franklin]	as long as the source is free as in freedom
01:47:29	orzo	but anyway, i don't want to borrow code, i was just wondering idly if i should consider that feasible
01:47:40	alexbobp	you shouldn't :P
01:47:44	orzo	yeah
01:48:02	*	[Franklin] /would/ like to see more open-source android apps
01:48:09	alexbobp	as for why people would be blanket opposed... should it surprise you that some people working on free software projects have strong philosophies about wanting their code to be free?
01:48:19	orzo	franklin, are you familiar with f-droid.org ?
01:48:23	orzo	and their package manager
01:49:11	*	[Franklin] thinks the world should be open-source
01:49:15	[Franklin]	not just android apps
01:49:45	alexbobp	yeah, I wanna see proprietary apps crowded out of the market
01:49:57	alexbobp	there are several open source android music players so I can't see why anyone would even bother with a proprietary one
01:50:00	orzo	i'm pretty much the same way, but then i worked for a while in proprietary software, and now i have no work and need income and this android app venture seems like the most attractive option to me personally
01:50:01	the-kyle	Yeah, me2.
01:50:13	[Franklin]	orzo: I understand
01:50:50	the-kyle	So make a GPLed Android app using the Rockbox codebase and sell it on the Play Store.
01:51:06	alexbobp	yeah that's true. plenty of people make GPL apps and sell them.
01:51:15	alexbobp	I've seen ones that have a free version and a "donation" version that is exactly the same
01:51:27	[Franklin]	orzo: sell rockbox!
01:51:29	alexbobp	and I've seen ones that just have a for-pay version and if someone else wants to make their own builds they can
01:51:40	the-kyle	I purchased the Espeak TTS for my phone. I paid less than $2 USD for it, and I get all the benefits of the GPL as well.
01:52:03	*	[Franklin] saw an espeak port for rockbox
01:52:15	[Franklin]	that /would/ be nice to revive, but it's GPLv3 now
01:52:27	orzo	i've built rockbox for android, it already supports it
01:52:33	[Franklin]	sell it
01:52:35	orzo	seems to work well too
01:52:39	the-kyle	I thought I read where permission had been given to complete the Espeak work.
01:52:55	orzo	i've never even contributed to rockbox
01:52:57	[Franklin]	the-kyle: I know, it's a bummer
01:53:01	orzo	apart from suggestions
01:53:03	[Franklin]	orzo: who said you couldn't?
01:53:48	alexbobp	I once bought a sansa view for some random person in here. I forgot who.
01:53:56	alexbobp	I dunno if that was a good idea. There still doesn't seem to be a view port xD
01:54:03	[Franklin]	lol
01:54:15	the-kyle	There's just no other music player in the world that comes anywhere close to Rockbox. Problem is that on Android it doesn't support the TTS functions, nor does it work correctly with the Talkback screen reader. If one of these things worked, I'd buy it.
01:54:18	alexbobp	it's too bad, rockbox for the view would be amazing...
01:55:00	*	[Franklin] really would love to see someone selling rockbox for a very low price on the play store
01:56:04	orzo	well i'm near finish line for my app
01:56:15	[Franklin]	may I ask what it is/does?
01:56:17	orzo	it doesnt make sense to change geers
01:56:44	[Franklin]	meh
01:57:34	orzo	it is for playing audio books, i used to use rockbox, but my e280 broke and i've not replaced it. All the free android players were annoying to me so i built a non annoying one that is compatible with rockbox-made bookmarks and i intend to sell because i need money
01:57:58	[Franklin]	open-source it :P
01:58:06	orzo	i may eventually
01:58:20	[Franklin]	you'll likely get /more/ people buying it for that reason
01:58:25	alexbobp	I actually agree with your use case at least. I've been annoyed that no android player seems to be good at serialized content and saving your progress
01:58:35	alexbobp	other than dedicated podcast apps but none of those seem to be able to handle a folder of mp3s
01:59:10	the-kyle	I store audiobooks as 12Kb/s opus. Would the app handle that? Rockbox does, which is another reason I use it.
01:59:37	[Franklin]	rockbox handles everything sound-related
01:59:57	[Franklin]	and has a nice, growing selection of mediocre-to-amazing games :D
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02:00:12	orzo	does android's MediaPlayer play opus?
02:00:20	alexbobp	the-kyle: that's kilobytes right?
02:00:38	[Franklin]	kilobits!?
02:00:43	the-kyle	Kilobits
02:00:43	alexbobp	[Franklin]: haha what game does rockbox have that's amazing :P
02:00:47	alexbobp	and 12 kilobits is tiny!
02:01:00	[Franklin]	alexbobp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyU3h5g2DO8
02:01:11	[Franklin]	that video didn't have sound implemented yet
02:01:14	[Franklin]	now it does
02:01:20	the-kyle	Yes, but with a framesize of 60ms, opus sounds awesome at that bitrate for voice recordings.
02:02:57	orzo	if my app doesn't have full support for opus (it actually draws a waveform for fully supported codecs) but if android's MediaPlayer can handle it, it has usable partial support
02:03:13	alexbobp	[Franklin]: it's also sideways :P
02:03:15	alexbobp	what's this game?
02:03:21	[Franklin]	Another World
02:03:32	alexbobp	the-kyle: really? interesting, I'll have to try
02:03:35	[Franklin]	read all about it: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,48586
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02:04:37	[Franklin]	alexbobp: rotation wasn't implemented when the video was made, either
02:04:42	[Franklin]	but it is now ;)
02:06:08	[Franklin]	alexbobp: also, I really need testers for it before it's committed
02:06:09	alexbobp	[Franklin]: I mean the camera :P it was a horizontal video of a device positioned vertically
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02:06:27	[Franklin]	you wanna test?
02:06:39	alexbobp	I'd offer but I think I lost my clip zip and there's no way I want to try playing games on my fuze+ >_>
02:06:45	alexbobp	getting a fuze+ at all was a mistake, god those suck.
02:06:59	[Franklin]	according to foolsh, it's really nice on the fuze+
02:07:01	alexbobp	I should look on craigslist for another player I like
02:07:05	alexbobp	huh really?
02:07:08	alexbobp	I guess I should try :P
02:07:12	[Franklin]	ask foolsh
02:10:24	[Franklin]	it should currently run on any player with a color screen and a horizontal stride
02:10:29	[Franklin]	(so anything but the mrobe500)
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03:36:12	Strife89	alexbobp: What is [Franklin] testing?
03:38:57	alexbobp	a port of some adventure game
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04:18:17	Strife89	alexbobp: Oh, right, Another World.
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04:22:20	barlot	hi all, i'm having a problem with rockbox on my clipzip, when i plug it into the pc the drives pop up and then immediately dissapear so that i cannot transfer files
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10:07:23	natanelho	is there a function that works like "getch" on pc?
10:08:05	natanelho	i write a plugin and i want it to wait 'till i will press any key
10:08:14	natanelho	how to do it
10:08:14	natanelho	?
10:12:26	pamaury	natanelho: I don't have much time, I advise looking at others plugins' code? Something like: do { button = rb->button_get(true); if(/* check if actual button and not even*/) break; }
10:12:28	pamaury	while(1)
10:14:11	pamaury	maybe if(!IS_SYSEVENT(button))
10:15:04	natanelho	the first thing u said will work forever(while(1)) or i missed something?
10:16:19	natanelho	and what do you mean saying "not even"?
10:19:50	natanelho	?
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10:35:56	pamaury	*not event
10:36:12	pamaury	no it's an infinite loop with a break in it
10:42:24	natanelho	ahh...i see...
10:43:07	natanelho	how to use kbd_inp
10:43:10	natanelho	?
10:44:54	natanelho	i mean kbd_input
10:45:38	pamaury	rb->kbd_input(kbd_buffer, sizeof(kbd_buffer));
10:45:42	pamaury	I guess
10:46:04	pamaury	where the buffer is where you want to get the data, and the sizeof() is the maximum number of characters
10:47:07	natanelho	how to make it write some default text?
10:48:11	natanelho	i mean that when it opens up(the keyboard) in some plugins i have a text showing on that i didnt write
10:50:50	pamaury	I don't know, I never ever write plugins so I'm clearly not the best person to ask, I'm not even sure it's possible atm
10:51:12	pamaury	or maybe just put something in the buffer before the call
10:52:40	pamaury	yeah apparently you can:
10:52:40	pamaury	strcpy(kbd_buffer, "my super string");
10:52:40	pamaury	rb->kbd_input(kbd_buffer, sizeof(kbd_buffer));
10:53:30	pamaury	also kbd_input returns a value, like 0 on success and <0 or !=0 if cancelled, something like thids
10:56:55	natanelho	can u give me a link with info about this func?
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11:01:08	wodz	pamaury: Looks like I have working sd on ATJ :-)
11:02:08	pamaury	natanelho: as far as I know, we don't have a proper documentation for this function (yeah that sucks), best way is to look at how other plugins work
11:02:12	pamaury	wodz: great news :)
11:02:18	pamaury	I'm looking foward the code ;)
11:03:19	natanelho	wodz: can you explain me how to use kbd_input?
11:04:01	wodz	natanelho: no, I am lowlevel stuff guy. I try to not touch anything above drivers and such
11:04:20	wodz	pamaury: I'll cleanup things a bit and push to gerrit
11:04:39	pamaury	natanelho: I gave you an example on how to use it though
11:07:18	natanelho	if i have a variable char[] named a, and i want it to hold the input from the keyboard, what to write?
11:10:06	pamaury	natanelho: http://pastebin.com/qyfKVQ9q
11:12:35	natanelho	after running it the variable "buffer" will hold the inputted string from the keyboard?
11:12:47	pamaury	yes
11:16:33	natanelho	what it returns if i close the kbd?
11:17:04	natanelho	like if i push the power button while running the kbd
11:18:15	pamaury	I think it returns -1
11:18:45	pamaury	and 0 on success
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11:39:51	wodz	pamaury: Could you point me to sd spec to see what is the meaning of SWITCH_FUNC response data?
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11:43:34	pamaury	https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/pls/simplified_specs/part1_410.pdf
11:44:36	wodz	heh, last time I touched sd stuff they didn't provide any public documents
11:47:50	natanelho	can i compile just 1 .c file without compiling all rock box? i mean regulary i have to use "make" and wait for it to complete compiling all the sources. can i tell it to compile only myplugin.c file?
11:49:23	gevaerts	make only rebuilds changed files, so if that's really a problem you're probably doing something wrong
11:50:04	gevaerts	But yes, you can run "make <full path to the file you want to generate>"
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11:57:19	natanelho	ah thx
11:57:49	natanelho	how to usew atoi?wich lib should i include?
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12:01:36	natanelho	it tells me "undefined reference to `atoi'" ehen i use it
12:04:30	gevaerts	Have you looked what other plugins do?
12:05:03	natanelho	wich plugin uses it?
12:07:58	natanelho	nvm i found out how to use it
12:08:32	natanelho	i just re-wrote this func by myself
12:09:00	natanelho	how to install the zip i maked on my mp3?
12:19:51	pamaury	wodz: the "simplified" spec is public now, but some details are omitted as you can see
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12:44:25	natanelho	how to install the zip i got from "make zip" to my sansa?
12:45:31	natanelho	someone?
12:45:41	copper	mount your player via USB and extract the zip archive at its root
12:46:57	natanelho	thx
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14:28:18	GreyGhost	Hey guys quick question. I know it is more emcore related but no seems to be around at freemyipod channel..
14:29:10	GreyGhost	I have a rockboxed ipod 6g which I haven't updated in a while. I see quite a bit of changes happened in emcore since. I'm on r868 So can I update rockbox to the latest nightly build like normal or should I first update emcore? (and if not.. will updating emcore have any advantages? Especially because I can't seem to find the latest emcore build either)
14:32:50	wodz	emcore is completely separate to rockbox. You can upgrade both separately
14:33:27	GreyGhost	wodz, thanks :)
14:36:49	GreyGhost	Also thanks for the great work guys!! Love RockBox!
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14:38:43	wodz	:-)
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21:55:09	[Saint]	przemhb: Hey bud, sorry I haven't been in contact. Had some stuff goin' on here for the past ~24h or so, "Real Life(TM)" (uuuuugh :-/)
21:55:19	[Saint]	Yes, it is quite definitely a buffer overflow.
21:55:21	algot	Hello. I've just install RockBox on Sansa Clip. It works OK but after changing font setting I can't do anything before text dissapeared from menus
21:55:43	[Saint]	przemhb: the margin is exceeded by quite some order of magnitude.
21:55:56	przemhb	hello Saint
21:55:59	[Saint]	przemhb: Are you able to compile Rockbox for Android yourself?
21:56:00	algot	I reinstalled rockbox several times but after reinstalling problem still exists
21:56:06	przemhb	good news - at least the problem was diagnosed
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21:56:36	przemhb	[Saint]: I'm not sure wheter I still am
21:56:37	saratoga_	algot: what do you mean?
21:56:42	algot	And I can't change font option because I can't see menu option items
21:56:52	przemhb	I have compiled it year or two ago
21:56:58	[Saint]	przemhb: If you are, you could apply http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/956/
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21:57:23	[Saint]	though I'm not /too/ happy about the approach this patch uses, it would fix your issue for the interim.
21:57:34	algot	saratoga: I mean that my menu looks empty but have cursor
21:57:49	algot	looks like player lost fonts
21:57:56	[Saint]	actually - we should probably just push that
21:58:22	[Saint]	saratoga_: would you have any immediate objection to pushing g#956 if you have the time?
21:58:23	algot	when I can find menu structure documentation to change font settings
21:58:26	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #956 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/956 : increase memorysize for Android build. by Chiwen Chang
21:58:33	algot	&
21:58:34	algot	?
21:59:02	[Saint]	As it stands now, the default WPS can't fit in buffer...so, something's gotta give.
21:59:15	[Saint]	The patch given seems reasonable.
21:59:50	[Saint]	(even if the amounts allocated are largely arbitrary, modern smartphones should give narry a singular fuck about 8~32MB allocations)
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22:00:25	copper	never think small
22:00:29	copper	https://plus.google.com/+youtube/posts/BUXfdWqu86Q
22:01:07	[Saint]	algot: are you familiar with our fine manual?
22:01:08	saratoga_	that looks fine although i don't know much about android
22:01:16	[Saint]	algot: if not - you should be.
22:01:23	saratoga_	probably though those devices have enormous memory compared to most targets
22:01:49	algot	I read the manual - I didn't find anything. I've just found what I needed in http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MenuLayoutDiscussion
22:02:03	algot	Sorry for troubling you
22:02:04	[Saint]	saratoga_: its not really Android specific - the long and the short of it is that every Android device has the same static buffer allocated, be it VGA, or XXHDPI
22:02:17	saratoga_	should probably be made dependent on teh resolution
22:02:25	[Saint]	Which, understandably, is kinda silly.
22:02:33	saratoga_	algot: you can edit the config.cfg file from your PC if you really screw something up
22:02:55	[Saint]	saratoga_: the solution presently is more of a solution to save having a massive clusterfuck of ifdefs.
22:02:56	saratoga_	no idea what you did that made the fonts not work though, maybe set black text on black background?
22:03:39	[Saint]	saratoga_: it means that some targets might get allocated slightly more than they might need, but that's not /reaaaaally/ a problem.
22:03:52	[Saint]	The other alternative is a big list of resolution specific ifdefs.
22:04:01	[Saint]	(which I didn't really like the idea of)
22:04:29	wodz	what about macro calculating bufersize based on resolution?
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22:04:39	[Saint]	For 720p and above, it seems that the backdrop .bmp alone is enough to overflow the buffer.
22:04:45	wodz	you provide resolution during build anyway
22:04:59	[Saint]	wodz: hmmm, that's a better approach indeed.
22:05:28	wodz	LCD_HEIGHTLCD_WIDTH[Saint factor] and you are set
22:05:58	saratoga_	i was going to suggest something like memory = 16 + max(0, resolution-540)*const
22:05:58	[Saint]	I'm not surprised this happened at all to be honest, when this port was conceived, the biggest we had to content with was 480x800
22:06:11	saratoga_	then it just goes up linearly from 16MB
22:06:45	algot	<saratoga_>I don't know what happened. Maybe you are right. I'm the newbee in this firmware. I have fixed it yet.
22:06:55	saratoga_	you could look in the config file and see what it says
22:07:18	saratoga_	that patch seems ok for now, but long term something more flexible might be a good idea
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22:08:07	[Saint]	right.
22:08:23	wodz	the actual formula to derive the buffer is not that important. It should take resolution into account however as themes for hires screens are the biggest mem hogs
22:08:55	[Saint]	for now it just takes 3 subsets of resolution into account
22:08:55	wodz	buffer for playback is mostly const at 8MB or something
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22:09:18	[Saint]	540 or less, 540~720, and 720 and higher
22:09:34	[Saint]	I think that's a reasonable compromise, but ultimately you're right.
22:09:35	wodz	with 1GB+ memory in current phones this is really not a problem
22:10:17	[Saint]	right - would you have any objection to g956 being pushed in the interim, with the foresight to a more permanent solution?
22:10:35	wodz	I don't care much about android honestly
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22:11:00	[Saint]	as it stands now, cabbiev2 fails to load on anything 720p plus, perhaps even 540p under certain circumstances.
22:11:41	[Saint]	I had forgotten I had allocated a rather large slab of buffer in my local tree for testing purposes long ago.
22:12:04	[Saint]	after removing that it was pretty easy to see where it was falling over.
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22:13:06	[Saint]	Chiwen Chang has a number of Android specific patches in gerrit that I should go through and formally review.
22:13:54	[Saint]	I'd like someone more low-level-y to comment on the DSP stuffs. (saratoga_? JhMikeS?)
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22:14:34	[Saint]	Looks good to me, and works like it says on the tin.
22:15:15	[Saint]	g#967 is a weird one
22:15:19	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #967 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/967 : Android: resume_playback by long press on the back button. by Chiwen Chang
22:15:32	[Saint]	...why on Earth would anyone want that to be a thing?
22:16:07	[Saint]	Every time someone violates Android policy on back button behavior, a cute little fluffy tabby kitten dies.
22:16:16	[Saint]	Do you _want_ kittens to die?
22:16:31	gevaerts	Yes!
22:16:41	[Saint]	Well, then...carry on, I guess.
22:18:03	copper	http://koreananimals.or.kr/pic/rescue/080218/ice4.jpg
22:18:12	copper	see what you did?
22:19:08	[Saint]	That better not be dead kitties...
22:19:18	[Saint]	AH. d'Awwwwwwww.
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22:53:21	przemhb	[Saint]: Thank you very much for your help. Now using RB on Android once again become easy ;)
22:54:00	[Saint]	Not a problem my friend. My apologies for not getting back to you yesterday about this.
22:54:35	[Saint]	Believe it or not I was just about to come looking for you when I received your PM.
22:54:46	przemhb	[Saint]: I must update my build environment (new NDK and SDK). Once I will have this ready I should be able to compile again.
22:55:11	[Saint]	If you need any help in this regard, let me know.
22:55:29	[Saint]	There's some necessary trickery to get Android building with a modern SDK.
22:56:17	przemhb	[Saint]: It's natural - we both were about to come and look for each other. I'm not surprised
22:57:50	przemhb	[Saint]: lot's of things changed since I last post a patch. I'm not familiar with gerrit, but it seems I will have to learn it.
22:58:24	orzo	android uses /mnt/sdcard when other devices use /<microSD1>/. I would rather android used the latter so sdcards could be swapped between devices
22:58:33	orzo	when it saves bookmarks and playlists
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23:00:37	[Saint]	What you're essentially asking us to do is mask the true path, just for the sake of bookmarks being swapped between devices (which I honestly don't think is a particularly large use case)
23:01:05	[Saint]	We don't just device what the path to external storage is going to be in Android...
23:01:26	[Saint]	s/device/decide/ gah - autocomplete
23:03:52	[Saint]	przemhb: on the gerrit page, there's a small section with a 'Download' header, with tabs for 'checkout\|pull\|cherry-pick\|patch', and an icon to click to copy the resulting code into the pastebuffer.
23:04:12	orzo	yeah that's what i'm asking
23:04:46	orzo	i'm surprised others are so against the feature
23:04:51	[Saint]	If you want to work in a fashion you are probably familar with, you can select patch, and then append " > my_patch.patch" to the command it gives.
23:05:59	[Saint]	przemhb: so, from your git repository, you could do "git fetch git://git.rockbox.org/rockbox refs/changes/56/956/2 && git format-patch -1 −−stdout FETCH_HEAD > patch.patch && patch -p 1 patch.patch"
23:06:21	[Saint]	or something to this effect.
23:06:50	[Saint]	If you're familiar with git, it becomes a whole lot easier, and the cherry-pick option would be the likeliest candidate.
23:08:22	wodz	pamaury: (log) g#1060
23:08:25	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #1060 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1060 : hwstub/atj213x: lua module for SD access by Marcin Bukat
23:08:34	[Saint]	orzo: the thing is on Android we don't get to decide what the path to the external storage is.
23:09:40	orzo	you decide what you read/write to files on disk
23:09:53	orzo	there's not going to be a /<microSD1>/ path that is real
23:09:58	[Saint]	I guess there could be some magic added to derive the correct path from a bookmark on Application targets, but it seems a fair amount of work for a rather niche case (unless lots of people that use bookmarks aren't reporting this issue...).
23:10:17	[Saint]	No one would stop you from presenting a well formatted path set that added such functionality.
23:11:21	wodz	well it is not consistent even between regular targets. Some have internal flash showing up as SD some not
23:12:09	wodz	and what about bookmarks pointing to the files in internal storage then?
23:12:32	[Saint]	hum. right.
23:13:03	[Saint]	yeah - it doesn't entirely surprise me that bookmarks aren't portable.
23:14:06	[Saint]	its possible, I /think/, to get it right in most instances. but it requires someone sufficiently determined to actually do the work. orzo seems like a fine candidate.
23:14:35	wodz	relative paths would somewhat make this work (but only to the point when you reference files from the same drive bookmark is on)
23:14:57	przemhb	[Saint]: Thank you. Cherry-pick - one more new thing to learn.
23:16:37	orzo	same drive is typical though
23:16:38	[Saint]	Right. I actually mistakenly thought that bookmarks were using relative paths, ala playlists, but it seems no.
23:16:55	orzo	relative paths is probably the most right
23:17:30	[Saint]	przemhb: http://gitref.org/ is a great resource for basic git tasks and terminology
23:18:06	orzo	i figure relative paths in playlists should be relative to the playlist file path and relative paths in bookmarks should be relative to the bmark file
23:18:10	[Saint]	git is a very powerful tool, even for someone in their git-using-infancy
23:19:27	[Franklin]	almost too powerful
23:20:28	[Saint]	The good thing is, its very forgiving. While it may not always be immediately obvious, it is largely impossible to irreparably harm a git repository.
23:20:58	[Saint]	Though admittedly, sometimes it is simply quicker to nuke the fucker and start fresh than it is to recovery from your botched state.
23:21:29	[Saint]	But for the sufficiently determined, there's no such thing as an irrecoverable mistake in git.
23:22:16	orzo	when i was in my git infancy i managed to damage my repo often enough
23:22:23	orzo	it's certainly easier than with subversion
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23:23:18	[Saint]	Heh. I know a /lot/ of people that would disagree with that statement. ;)
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23:23:32	dunpeal	Hi. I'm using a recent dev build with Sansa Clip+. Can I remap the function of the center button?
23:23:44	[Saint]	dunpeal: no.
23:24:10	[Saint]	Remapping any button requires editing the source and compiling a custom build
23:24:10	dunpeal	[Saint]: hm. Can I at least disable it then?
23:24:14	[Saint]	No.
23:24:21	[Saint]	see above.
23:24:39	orzo	git is better at not losing code in the long term
23:24:59	dunpeal	orzo: better than what?
23:25:17	orzo	subversion,cvs, and the proprietary crap i've used
23:25:29	dunpeal	well, yeah. who uses SVN anymore.
23:25:34	dunpeal	[Saint]: thanks.
23:25:37	orzo	i used it before git
23:25:54	dunpeal	sure, same as me, same as everyone.
23:26:06	dunpeal	anyway, SVN = one central authoritative server
23:26:15	[Saint]	dunpeal: if you have a development environment set up, this is a fairly trivial change.
23:26:16	dunpeal	so it's a one-link chain to lose you data
23:26:49	dunpeal	with Git, every single clone contains all the data that the SVN master node contains.
23:27:08	dunpeal	[Saint]: you mean, as in a patch that I can then contribute upstread?
23:27:12	dunpeal	upstream*
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23:27:18	dunpeal	will something like that be accepted?
23:30:54	przemhb	[Saint]: how long the command you've gave me normally executes? I have ran it some minutes ago, but it seems to have stopped...
23:32:46	[Franklin]	dunpeal: yeah, just make changes and push to gerrit for review
23:33:04	dunpeal	[Franklin]: k3w1, thanks
23:33:37	[Franklin]	useless game plugins usually stick around there for a bit :)
23:41:10	[Franklin]	otherwise, the review process is pretty speedy
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23:42:36	przemhb	[Saint]: I've spotted little mistake - "<" was missing. Let's try to compile it...
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23:44:20	[Franklin]	hmm... what format does lcd_bitmap expect it's input to be in?
23:44:30	[Franklin]	more importantly, what stride?
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23:54:43	[Saint]	przemhb: you'll probably get one or two compile errors regarding tools in the sdk not being in the locations we expect them to be (for historical reasons), but some simple symbolic links will fix that right up.
23:55:25	[Saint]	I al halfway though documenting building Rockbox for Android in a start-to-finish guide, and I haven't gotten to this step yet, so its not fresh in my mind.
23:55:52	[Saint]	But if you have difficulties, give me a yell with the specific error and it'll likely refresh my memory.
23:55:55	przemhb	[Saint]: Compilation succeeded, but make apk, resulted in error (aapt: command not found)
23:56:08	[Saint]	aha - right, sec.
23:56:34	[Saint]	try:
23:57:27	[Saint]	ln -s /path/to/adt-bundle/sdk/build-tools/17.0.0/aapt /path/to/adt-bundle/sdk/platform-tools/aapt
23:57:46	[Saint]	(obviously you'll need to edit those paths to reflect your environment)
23:58:42	[Saint]	Hum...sorry, I think we're using API19 now.
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