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#rockbox log for 2014-12-14

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00:45:08TheSevenmost of those items are somewhat half-done ;)
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00:46:24TheSevenI have a skeleton rockbox bootloader for the classic somewhere which actually manages to load rockbox, just needs some more functionality (booting disk mode, diag mode, OF, ... based on button combinations)
00:47:05TheSevenbut we still need a flasher/installer for that thing, as well as a PC side tool that injects the installer through that DFU exploit
00:47:55TheSevenaside from that, the USB driver still needs some work - mostly figuring out why wodz's reworked driver doesn't work (locks up)
00:48:53TheSevenand, that looks like a task that you might be interested in, I have USB ATA passthrough code in emcore that allows smartmontools to access the ipod's disk via USB ;)
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00:49:42[Franklin]TheSeven: code?
00:49:54TheSeventhat deserves to be ported to rockbox somehow - although doing that in a generic way might require a lot of rather invasive changes
00:50:05TheSeven[Franklin]: code for which of those?
00:50:18[Franklin]skeleton bootloader
00:50:57TheSevenhm, no idea where I have that... I'll dig it up at some point
00:51:52TheSevenit's not really much anyway, basically nano2g bootloader cloned and stripped down, and some config.h changes to make it actually compile
00:52:48TheSeventhat wasn't even written by me, steffengy did that
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01:03:06[Franklin]anyone have a suggestion for a cheap, rockboxable DAP?
01:07:02[Saint]Nope. Never.
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02:17:50[Franklin]foolsh: I have xworld.strings uploaded to now
02:18:15[Franklin]'cause my server... isn't the most reliable piece of silicon in town :)
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05:35:01yugenCan anyone help me here? I have an issues I'm trying to resolve, and I can't find the anwser anywhere.
05:43:27[Saint]Only if you tell someone what the issue is.
05:44:22yugenWhen I boot my clip+, the rockbox boot slapsh pops up.
05:44:38yugenBut then some text saying "Scanning disks" appears
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05:45:09yugenafter that, the screen turns into a random pixels
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05:58:00saratogayugen: (for the logs) reboot into the sandisk firmware or the rockbox bootloader USB mode (left or center when booting respectively) and check the file system for errors
06:03:12[Saint]Ohhhhh fuck me.
06:03:17[Saint]How did that little bitch get in.
06:03:27[Saint]I just got suckered by a spambot.
06:04:04[Saint]The formatting looked a little bit weird, and the structure, as well as being in an irrelevant thread.
06:04:37[Saint]So I searched around, and sure enough, its several strings from different posts glued together.
06:07:24[Saint]Oh. My. God...why is banning so slow?
06:08:38[Saint]DOne. De-douchcanoe'ed
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11:21:05lorenzo92hello guys! is it so that rb has now MTP support?
11:22:07lorenzo92I must say I'm not a particular fun of it, but it could make usb connection feasible on hosted targets like r0 and r1
11:22:57[Saint]I...what, where?
11:23:43[Saint]misinterpreting a recent commit perhaps?
11:23:52[Saint]the most recent, perhaps?
11:26:11pamaurylorenzo92: no rockbox doesn't have mtp support (though a long time ago I implemented it but never committed it), the last commit is about MTP *tools* to update the ZEN
11:26:43lorenzo92ah, I see, I mixed both things, because I was aware of previous MTP work ^^
11:27:08[Saint]the .diff would've given it away
11:27:22[Saint]adding mtp support isn't a one line fix. ;)
11:27:59[Saint]I'd wager it to be many, many, many orders of magnitude more work than that. :))
11:28:30pamauryit's big but not that big either, and it's true that on host targets it would make a lot of sense
11:28:46pamaurybut I just don't have the time to do the work now
11:28:53pamauryjust like usb audio
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11:47:15lorenzo92nice one, too ;)
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12:08:08gevaertsscorche|sh: the ban group doesn't work (I saw someone get through the other day), and spammers seem to be picking up again. Maybe we should consider restarting the first post moderation
12:08:18lebelliumDoes Szymon Dziok aka b0hoon sometimes come here?
12:08:42gevaertsOccasionally, yes
12:10:05lebelliumReally? I don't remember seeing him here. I'd like to ask him if he would agree to make a SVG pic for YP-R1. IIRC that's the only thing preventing it from being in the builds table
12:15:28gevaertsscorche|sh: "picking up" means eight today so far
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13:32:30prof_wolfffTheSeven: i see there are many things to do, din't knew about the problems with the USB driver, really the USB driver and the boot sequence are the most unknown parts for me, i've been focused mainly on low level HW
13:33:17[Saint]One assumes you use *nix
13:33:21prof_wolfffseems that these tasks are priority, I am currently finishing the clock section, will start to look at boot sequence and the USB driver ASAP, probably I will have to ask many things
13:33:31[Saint]Had you used Windows, you'd know _alll_ about the USb fuckery. ;)
13:33:54[Saint]USB on Windows for the classic is a minefield.
13:34:08prof_wolfffSaint: :) yes i don't use Windows
13:34:23[Saint]It'll work reliably for a small percentage of the population, and fail hilariously for evryone else.
13:34:24*gevaerts enables (hopefully) first post moderation
13:34:41[Saint]Thanks gevaerts
13:35:17gevaertsTen in a few hours is too many
13:35:45[Saint]Ah. Did I catch the start of it?
13:35:53[Saint]'lil bugger tricked me.
13:35:59[Saint]Haven't looked since.
13:36:12prof_wolfffSaint: i hope these USB problems could be reproduced sing a virtual machine
13:36:41[Saint]prof_wolfff: nah, not to my knowledge.
13:36:55[Saint]and USB is fucking hilariously broken in a lot of VMs anyway.
13:37:57prof_wolfffon my mainboard usually USB works well in VMs
13:38:53prof_wolfffanyway, i can install (temporally) Windows in some computer
13:39:38*gevaerts fights with settings he doesn't understand
13:49:40gevaertsOK, I think that worked
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14:41:45lorenzo92kugel: today evening i would like to recover my charging patch (yp-r0) and possibly commit it
14:42:28lorenzo92with the correct settings, battery duration jumps from ~18hrs to ~25hrs (as if the battery were charged from OF)
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15:29:45TheSevenprof_wolfff: we have several kinds of different USB problems
15:30:09TheSeventhe old driver (currently in git) is just buggy, but linux handles that a lot more gracefully than windows
15:31:04TheSeventhe new driver that I wrote a while ago seems to work much better, but uses bitfield structs for register accesses, which turned out to be a questionable idea
15:31:15TheSevenit also uses some new gcc features that rockbox's toolchain can't handle
15:31:36TheSeventhis means that some syntactical rework is needed for it to go into git
15:31:48[Saint]and the remake of it, that does work with out toolchain, hardlocks.
15:31:52[Saint]yay! fun
15:31:53TheSevenwodz had a go at doing that, and ended up with something that compiles but doesn't work anymore :P
15:32:15TheSevenlooking at the changes I didn't find an obvious cause... but then again I missed that ATA thing as well, so maybe you might spot it ;)
15:33:09TheSevenI can definitely help with boot process/installation related things
15:33:41TheSevenI just don't have the time to take care of the highlevel aspects and polishing things
15:34:21TheSevenso feel free to keep asking me about the technical details ;)
15:35:05TheSevenprof_wolfff: back to the USB thing... the NEW driver USB problem that we have can easily be reproduced on windows - and I just don't care about the old driver anymore
15:35:29TheSevenonce we get the new one to both work and compile cleanly, we can just toss the old one into the trash can ;)
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16:59:54wodzTheSeven: Do you plan to commit fix for CEATA thing?
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17:04:18TheSevenwodz, prof_wolfff: [Saint] has confirmed that none of his CEATA ipods are affected... I'm confused
17:04:45TheSevennot quite sure what we're seeing here, maybe a bug in a specific disk firmware revision
17:04:52[Saint]I have at least 2, and I've not seen this issue once. :-S
17:05:06wodzTheSeven: or particular combination of emcore+rockbox
17:05:22[Saint]hmmm, possibly.
17:05:35[Saint]I'm using some unreleased version of emcore.
17:05:36TheSevenright... emcore doesn't seem to be affected either (on affected devices), that deserves a closer look
17:06:02TheSevenah right, those people will be using old emcore versions that use the old driver
17:06:04TheSeventhat explains it
17:06:16TheSevensomeone who is affected should have a look if commenting that ata_set_feature command helps
17:06:31TheSevenif yes we can commit something that moves this into the non-ceata code path
17:06:53TheSevenhowever I'm puzzled what is going on there as the command is only issued if the disk indicates support for it
17:07:08[Saint]I'm not sure offhand what version of emCORE it is, but its definitely well above the release.
17:07:28[Saint]pretty sure it has disk mode, it may or may not be one of the dual-boot kludge versions.
17:07:56TheSevenmaybe the disk is confused by some earlier, bogus set feature command issued by emcore
17:08:02[Saint]I'm not near one I know of just now.
17:08:25TheSeven[Saint]: can you recheck one of the ceata ipods with the official emcore release?
17:08:58[Saint]Can do.
17:09:11[Saint](not right now - but, sure, can do)
17:09:21TheSevenyeah, just ping me once you have results
17:09:41TheSevenif that makes the trouble appear we might have been looking at completely the wrong corner
17:14:35[Franklin]foolsh: I just had an idea for a plugin: a TI-* emulator
17:15:04[Franklin]pacbox seems to have a nice z80 emulator core
17:15:58wodz[Franklin]: as well as zxbox
17:16:09wodzpamaury: ping
17:18:18foolsh[Franklin]: TI emulator, or flesh out the calc plugin to handle graphing equations?
17:20:37[Franklin]ti emulaor
17:21:57pamaurywodz: pong
17:22:09pamaurywodz: i've begun work on the new register description
17:22:17wodzpamaury: yeah I saw
17:22:51pamaurywodz: I've got more work in progress, i'll try to have a work parser + converter tonight
17:23:10wodzpamaury: cool. Ping me when you want something to test
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19:13:29prof_wolfffTheSeven, wodz: about the USB driver, it seems that the starting point is to test wodz's g#949 on Windows, i see that some sansas uses the old usb-s3c6400x driver, does it works well for these targets?
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19:16:00TheSevenmore or less...
19:16:16TheSeventhe s3c6400x driver has never really worked flawlessly anywhere
19:16:27TheSevenbut it seemed to work better on sansas than an on ipods
19:16:39TheSevenand wodz's patch doesn't work with linux systems either
19:16:44TheSevenso you can use linux for testing
19:16:56TheSeven(the ipod freezes as soon as it connects to any host, before the host even sees it)
19:19:19prof_wolfffwill try to look at this, had always believed that the problems with the old driver were with the other targets but not iPods
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19:22:39[Franklin]Ivoah: well, I guess it'll happen now :)
19:25:42[Franklin]need a name
19:25:47[Franklin]tibox seems lame
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19:27:28[Franklin]foolsh: any ideas for a name for a z80 calc emulator?
19:28:39*[Franklin] kinda likes the whole "xworld", "xrick" prefix naming thing
19:29:03[Franklin]how about xz80?
19:29:23IvoahOr z80e, I don't think SirCmpwn would want you to rename it
19:42:23[Franklin]is it ok to use submodules in rockbox?
19:47:20[Franklin]git submodules, that is
19:47:32[Franklin]or is it best just to copy the files over?
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19:49:30omhi all
19:49:37[Franklin]hi om
19:51:21omI came here for asking help. I'm having problem with an ipod video theme, while in the wps there is a clock icon and the clock text in the upper right edge, but it shouldn't be here. i tried the theme in the simulator but it's not a theme fault, i don't know how to remove this icon.
19:51:58omif anyone of you can help i'll be grateful. thanks a lot.
19:55:20[Franklin][Saint] is the theme expert here :)
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20:27:15[Franklin]foolsh: I'm having some issues with the include paths
20:29:31[Franklin]never mind, I had to use absolute paths
20:29:31foolshuse a path inside "path/lib" for includes with in the rockbox project and <lib> with out a path for includes export by the OS
20:30:22[Franklin]it just built!
20:30:33[Franklin]but it doesn't do anything yet
20:30:56[Franklin]but it still has some issues
20:31:06[Franklin]such as relying on malloc
20:36:00[Franklin]alright, check it out!
20:40:32Ivoah[Franklin]: Is z80e going to support the grayscale iPod 4th gen?
20:41:10[Franklin]Ivoah: most likely, yes ;)
20:42:05[Franklin]monochrome/grayscale shouldn't be as hard as xworld :)
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21:57:09phajmn|I put rockbox
21:57:29[Sinner]Where'd you put it?
21:57:35phajmn|whoops, pressed send by accident
21:57:35[Sinner]DOn't lose it, we might need it later.
21:57:50*[Franklin] does that WAAY to often
21:58:16phajmn|touchscreens make it pretty easy :)
21:59:01phajmn|my problem seems to be solved for the moment, I'll finish my sentence if it crops up again
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22:08:30phajmn|ok, yeah, not solved
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22:11:42[Sinner]phajmn|_|: it'd be helpful to let someone know what the issue *is*.
22:11:44phajmn|_|I put rockbox on my ipod classic 160gb, put some music on it, and now the disk keeps spinning for minutes at a time even while idle with the screen off, no music playing, and the database not being updated
22:12:36[Sinner]If there's an icon in the absolute top-right (and you're using the default theme) _something's_ accessing the disk.
22:13:18[Sinner]its kinda vaguely round, with what appears to be some pie-like sections on it. But I'm quite blind and have misplaced my glasses, so...I sunno.
22:13:33[Sinner]Oh - Oooops.
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22:14:30[Saint]you could also check settings - general settings - disk - spindown
22:14:49phajmn|_|it's stopped spinning for the moment, and the battery's almost depleted
22:14:52[Saint]though the highest value there is only 200 seconds or so.
22:15:04phajmn|_|it'll probably spin up again once I disconnect it
22:15:17[Saint]It will indeed.
22:15:30phajmn|_|I checked the spindown value a few times and it's at the default 5s
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22:16:04phajmn|_|I have some filenames and tags in russian, japanese, and polish, if they could be affecting glyph cacheing
22:16:21phajmn|_|mostly or all unicode
22:16:43[Saint]If it was, the db scan would just silently exit where it hit the snag.
22:17:10[Saint]WHen you say it wasn't currently scanning the db, is this a known fact, or speculation?
22:17:33[Saint]ie. was it actually viewd via the debug screen that the db had finished scanning and committing?
22:17:51phajmn|_|I haven't
22:17:51[Saint]It can take quite a while, and it backgrounds the task, so its largely transparent to the user.
22:18:41phajmn|_|I speculated based on the fact that the database had been completed earlier, and I turned off auto-update and restarted
22:18:49[Saint]And, yes, from a standard USB port that respects USB spec, its VERY possible for the Classic to actually *discharge* while hitting the disk heavily even when externally powered.
22:19:03[Saint]I...oh. Hmmm.
22:20:01[Saint]You can enable a log of the database generation process from the debug menu if you wish and restart the process.
22:20:09phajmn|_|I have added a few files since then while experimenting, but I haven't told the device to update so it shouldn't be doing so
22:20:33[Saint]If it encounters an error, the last file in the log will be the file in alphabetical order immediately preceding the failing file.
22:20:48phajmn|_|it's built up a little charge now, so I'll disconnect and see if it starts spinning again
22:21:18[Saint]It could have just been disk caching for the file browser.
22:21:23[Saint]That happens regardless.
22:21:30[Saint]But its usually only a matter of seconds.
22:22:15phajmn|_|I'll give it a minute or two to finish whatever it's supposed to do so that I can see what else it's doing
22:22:32phajmn|_|I guess that was a minute
22:23:18phajmn|_|ok, which bits in the debug menu should I look at?
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22:25:04[Saint]There should be an entry labeled database scan or something to that effect.
22:25:26[Saint]But since you didn't have db scanning enabled, I'm not sure how fruitful that venture will be.
22:25:38[Saint]I'll have to delegate to [Franklin] as I must away myself.
22:25:46[Saint]Good day to you Sir. and/or Madam.
22:25:57phajmn|_|thanks [Saint]
22:26:29[Franklin]sorry, I wasn't really paying attention
22:26:45[Franklin]so what's your issue?
22:28:05phajmn|_|tldr the disk in my ipod classic 160gb takes a very long time to spin down, even when idling with a blank screen and theoretically no database update work to be done
22:28:27[Franklin]have you changed the disk spindown setting?
22:28:48phajmn|_|it's at the default of 5s, last I checked
22:29:18[Franklin]hmm... so you think its the database?
22:29:24phajmn|_|I think the battery emptied again, so I'll have to take a few minutes before I can check settings
22:30:07phajmn|_|I don't think it's the database because I turned off auto-update and I'm pretty sure it completed its last update
22:30:57[Franklin]so the disk keeps spinning?
22:31:29[Franklin]and it starts as soon as you boot it?
22:31:37phajmn|_|I looked at the dircache info after saint left, and apparently it took about 70s to fill
22:33:21[Franklin]I don't know
22:33:27[Franklin]what rockbox version?
22:34:38*[Franklin] isn't sure if that's 14 Dec 2013 or 13 Dec 2014 :)
22:35:34[Franklin]but I'd think its 14 Dec 2013
22:35:44[Franklin]in which case, your rockbox is a year old
22:36:00[Franklin]but wait... no
22:36:08phajmn|_|I installed it yesterday following the instructions at freemyipod
22:36:18[Franklin]ok then its recent
22:37:06[Franklin]oh... it's YYMMDD
22:37:15[Franklin]ok then, it's yesterday's build :)
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22:39:58[Franklin]sorry, I don't know
22:40:59phajmn|_|I had another look at the dircache and it did take 70s to complete - I might try turning that off
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23:23:14phajmn|_|... apparently it was the database after all
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23:38:17pamaurywodz (logs): I finished the parse, it's all on gerrit, for now my only test is checking that reg-example.xml passes, which it does, but it still misses a lot of checks (like unique name, field width, values, etc)
23:39:01pamaurythe next step will be to write the code to produce an xml file from a description and the v1 to v2 converter
23:39:34pamauryI'll do that tomorrow
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