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#rockbox log for 2014-12-21

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02:34:19foolsh[Saint]: Ug I can't even use that thing well enough to name a save file for rockboy, I alway name it aaaaaaa, and hope I can figure out how to "return from" instead of "exit from" the darn thing
02:34:52[Saint]y'know, we have a fine manual for that...
02:34:53[Saint];)
02:35:14foolshI should just print it out and carry it around huh?
02:35:18foolsh:)
02:35:24[Saint]foolsh: but, honestly, are you seriously suggesting that either one of the alternate suggestions is any better?
02:36:10[Saint]multi-tap input, scrollwheel, or you (god I hope you were joking) Fuze+ touchpad suggestion.
02:36:42foolshyes, in good humor obviously
02:37:19foolshBut it doesn't make the text input any more intuitive
02:37:31foolshneeds better text input
02:39:32ZincAlloyworks great for me. I can't imagine anything easier to use..
02:42:03ZincAlloyone does need a good keyboard layout, though. the default one has too many characters to be useable.
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02:42:34foolshthis ^
02:42:55ZincAlloyeasy fix.
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02:58:49[Saint]ZincAlloy: foolsh: I assume both of you are aware of custom .kbd files?
02:59:02[Saint]if not, its manual time.
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03:00:28[Saint]ZincAlloy: foolsh: I assume both of you are aware of custom .kbd files?
03:00:29[Saint]if not, its manual time.
03:00:31[Saint]ZincAlloy: foolsh: I assume both of you are aware of custom .kbd files?
03:00:32[Saint]if not, its manual time.
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03:00:42[Saint]eeek - really quassel?
03:00:49[Saint]really? :-S
03:03:47foolshDamn, [Saint] I get it!!
03:03:54foolshI'll read the manual
03:03:59foolsh:)
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03:05:42[Franklin]lol
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14:07:53ZincAlloy[Saint]: Yes, I'm using a custom keyboard layout. :)
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17:27:24[Franklin]foolsh: argh
17:27:29[Franklin]the font is copyrighted too
17:27:34[Franklin]in video_data.c
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18:18:03[Franklin]foolsh: I'm thinking of using a Rockbox font
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19:23:52[Franklin]foolsh: I've got Rockfont converted into the format that xworld uses
19:24:02[Franklin]but... it's rotated 90 deg
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19:42:21[Franklin]foolsh: alright, got that bug worked out
19:42:34[Franklin]now some way to load the original font
19:59:11[Saint]I'm willing to bet that people won't care too much about loading the original strings and/or fonts.
19:59:52[Franklin]but then there's those that are total fanatics about authenticity
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20:01:09[Saint]yeah, that's true...and they're likely to be playing it.
20:01:40[Franklin]I don't think people care about the font, honestly
20:01:47[Franklin]but they might about the strings
20:02:06[Franklin]Rockfont looks ugly
20:02:26[Franklin]perhaps Fixed?
20:06:47[Franklin]ah... that's even worse!
20:09:55[Saint]all the bitmap Rockbox fonts look hideous in small glyph heights.
20:10:03[Saint]pick one, they're all terrible.
20:10:22[Franklin]10-Fixed looks much better
20:11:00[Franklin]but 1 pixel too big in the code wheel screen
20:11:04[Franklin]I'll try 09-Fixed
20:11:13[Saint]clusterfuck multi-height/scalable antialiased fonts in there!
20:11:32*[Saint] runs
20:13:16[Franklin]ugh... 09-Fixed is too small
20:13:27[Franklin]currently 10-Fixed looks like the best option
20:14:59[Franklin]Saznami-Mincho is a quarter million lines long!!!
20:15:16[Saint]have a look at GNU-Unifont
20:15:22[Saint]you'll shit your pants.
20:15:53[Saint]that has hundreds of thousands of glyphs from memory.
20:16:09[Franklin]mincho is too narrow
20:16:37[Franklin]what font doesn't have serifs?
20:16:59gevaertsAny sans-serif font!
20:17:06[Saint]derp.
20:17:20[Saint]'sans' is a non-obvious word meaning, though, granted.
20:17:25[Saint]rarely used today.
20:17:30[Franklin]profont is /only/ 4400 lines long! :D
20:17:38[Franklin]size is relative
20:36:50[Franklin]ugh... lowercase 10-point chars look cut off
20:37:01[Franklin]I guess I'll stick with 08-Fixed
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20:39:57[Franklin]or... perhaps I could mix the two
20:40:10[Franklin]take uppercase from 10-Fixed, and others from 08-Fixed
20:42:46ZincAlloymaybe these will work for you? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,43286.0.html
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20:44:05[Franklin]I'm trying to find ones that look like the original
20:44:11[Franklin]so they'd be about square
20:44:19ZincAlloyah. what's the original?
20:44:21[Franklin]8x8 max size
20:44:38[Franklin]http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48586.0;attach=6585;image
20:45:02ZincAlloyoh, very small
20:45:08ZincAlloymaybe roll your own: http://www.pentacom.jp/pentacom/bitfontmaker2/
20:46:00[Franklin]very nice!
20:46:42[Franklin]too bad it exports TTF
20:46:42[Saint]err...don't we have our own bitfont conversion tools?
20:46:52[Franklin][Saint]: yes, but this is pretty nice too
20:47:07ZincAlloythey convert nicely if you select the right size
20:47:20ZincAlloythat's how I created mine ;)
20:49:10[Saint]convbdf and convttf are both pretty fundamentally broken.
20:49:32[Saint]I'm fairly confident there's a ttf2rb tool as well, though, that doesn't such.
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20:56:31[Franklin]I'm making my own font hybrid since I can't find a single font that looks exactly like the original
20:56:44[Franklin]lowercase from 08-Fixed, all others from 10-Fixed
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21:01:32ZincAlloyor search for something suitable here: http://www.pentacom.jp/pentacom/bitfontmaker2/gallery/?order=recent many of these are public domain
21:02:48[Franklin]nah, I got this ;)
21:05:51ZincAlloy:)
21:07:26[Franklin]just the lowercase looks terrible
21:07:29[Franklin]uppercase is fine
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21:18:15[Franklin]ok, pushed that
21:20:11[Franklin]gevaerts: merge?
21:21:14*[Franklin] hopes he doesn't have to change the copyright to 2015! :)
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