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#rockbox log for 2015-01-07

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13:56:22wodzpamaury: ping
13:56:28pamaurywodz: pong
13:56:39wodzpamaury: how is soc description rework going?
13:56:58wodzI saw in logs that you fight with usb internals
13:57:16pamauryyeah a did a bit of work on usb, try to document stuff
13:57:52pamaurythe soc description rework is in good shape, the gerrit task is not up to date, I'm porting hwstub_shell right now, I have a written a small library which ease the manipulation of the format
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14:08:45alexbobpso do the media control buttons on ipod-compatible dock things not work with rockbox?
14:13:06[Saint]they may, and they may not.
14:13:14[Saint]IAP is all over the show.
14:13:41[Saint]frankly the support we do have is a bloody miracle.
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16:46:05NewGuyTheSeven, the patched emcore and rockbox builds are working great.. Previously I used to have rockbox freeze on usb disconnect about 2 out of 5 times.. I haven't seen a single freeze with this build.. I will continue testing..
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16:57:33Debian4EverHello, I can not register to the Rockbox forum
16:58:08gevaertsDebian4Ever: what's the issue?
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16:58:31Debian4Ever" What is 5 + 8? (enter kangaroo in the field): " if I fill in 13 or thirteen I get an error message
16:59:26gevaertsAh, yes. Well, it tells you what to do between the parentheses :)
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17:03:46[Saint]You've just done a fine job proving you're a bot, Debian4Ever, well done. ;)
17:04:01Debian4EverI'm not a bot
17:04:36[Saint]I'm aware. But you bounced off the bot trap pretty nicely.
17:05:20Debian4EverTo be honest, your registration method on the forum sucks
17:06:08[Saint]I guess you'd prefer our forums to be full of spam then?
17:06:38Debian4EverNo, but this way sucks
17:07:02[Saint]Do you have a valid alternative for proof of life?
17:07:17[Saint]If not, forgive me for choosing to ignore that statement.
17:07:38Debian4EverYes, you can visit me, I have some cold beers ;)
17:07:46[Saint]Heh.
17:08:02Debian4EverWhat proof do you want?
17:09:08[Saint]Well, the test is _supposed_ to be somewhat a proof that the entity filling the form out is sentient.
17:09:27Debian4EverThen your test sucks .....
17:09:28[Saint]bots bounce off it in the same fashion you did.
17:10:09Debian4EverNever mind, I'll ask how to register on the mailing list, thanks for your "kind" support
17:10:19[Saint]What?!?
17:10:25gevaertsThe instructions are *right there*
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17:10:27[Saint]The answer was given to you.
17:10:37gevaertsYou even quoted them here
17:10:45[Saint]its quite literally telling you what to do.
17:11:21Debian4EverYes and even if i fill in kangaroo in the field I get an error message
17:12:46gevaertsWorks for me...
17:13:34gevaertsWhat error do you get?
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17:18:21[Saint]is there any way we can purge zero-posters from the forum member list?
17:18:46[Saint]perhaps with a message along the lines of "we're really sorry if you're human, but, we had to do this"?
17:19:05gevaertsWe can, but I object to that
17:19:10[Saint]the amount of registered zero-posters is insane.
17:19:27[Saint]And I suspect it has something to do with how poorly the forums perform.
17:19:33gevaertsUnless we purge never-logged-in zero posters
17:19:39gevaertsNo, most of them are spammers
17:19:40[Saint]trying to do any moderation is tedious.
17:20:10gevaertsWhat are you trying to do?
17:20:33[Saint]bans take _forever_.
17:20:47gevaertsAlso, searching for people with zero posts is not as easy as you'd think :)
17:20:49[Saint]even not banning and just clearing posts takes forever.
17:21:05gevaertsHuh? That's always quick enough for me
17:21:19[Saint]Odd. It takes upwards of 30s most times here.
17:21:22[Saint]often longer.
17:21:37[Saint]banning is a lot worse than simply clearing posts, though.
17:21:49gevaertsThe banning code in smf is stupid
17:21:53*gevaerts has seen it
17:22:00[Saint]hmm.
17:22:14gevaertsThe thing with zero-posters is that we have subforums where posts aren't counted
17:22:29[Saint]ah, right, yeah.
17:22:31gevaertsSo deleting all zero-posters would delete some active accounts
17:22:53[Saint]yeah, that's obviously not a thing that's acceptable.
17:22:57gevaertsBy the way, these days I often don't ban, but if they post lots of spam I delete the account :)
17:23:47[Saint]Looking at the addresses, the obvious solution is to just ban the whole of Europe and China.
17:23:49[Saint]:p
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17:24:11gevaertsOf course we could just start counting all posts...
17:24:33gevaertsBut then that only takes effect for new posts
17:25:11[Saint]if that's an option, and affects no other functionality, and then enables us to (after some grace period) ban zero-posters, I'm all for it.
17:25:30gevaertsWe wouldn't *ban* them
17:25:33gevaertsJust delete them
17:25:38gevaertsWell,
17:25:58gevaertsIf it's my decision, we would only delete them if they haven't logged in for a while
17:26:03[Saint]ban might be better for the interim, to see if we catch anyone we legitimately inconvenience.
17:26:14[Saint]and after some grace period *then* delete them.
17:26:22gevaertsNo. SMF *really* can't handle large ban lists
17:26:28[Saint]argh.
17:26:58gevaertsIn fact, I'd like to get rid of all of our current bans...
17:27:18[Saint]Go for it, I honestly don't think many accounts get used more than once anyway.
17:27:22RiDno dont get rid of me
17:27:48gevaerts[Saint]: the problem isn't *wanting* to do it, the problem is that it's horribly tedious work
17:27:56*[Saint] nods
17:28:43gevaertsThe ban list has 273 pages, and while you can delete a page at a time it will likely make the forums unusable for at least five minutes per page
17:29:03gevaertsSo in practice, that's not really an option
17:29:24[Saint]could one do it behind the forums back by getting the ban list and editing the db?
17:29:37gevaertsOne could
17:29:55gevaertsIf one were very careful and one understood the database properly
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17:36:37gevaertsHmmm
17:37:02gevaertsA trick might work
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17:53:12*[Saint] tries
17:53:20[Saint]Pick a card, any card...
17:53:31gevaertsWell
17:53:39gevaertsMore like "Pick a curl..."
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18:04:47scorche|shi dont have confidence in making changes to the DB at the moment - it is very fragile for some odd reason now
18:05:16scorche|shi really just need to create a new, fresh server and move everything over at this point
18:05:19scorche|sh...start over
18:11:35[Saint]Sing out for manpower or manhours if you need them.
18:12:07[Saint](not to be confused with manwhores, I gave that up)
18:15:16scorche|shwell, as it is my personal server, i am reluctant to have others doing that work...
18:15:25scorche|shbut it does need to be done...
18:16:54scorche|shobviously i need to attend another devcon so i can dedicate some time then to work on it...
18:19:22*gevaerts makes inroads
18:19:43scorche|shi have a space I can hold one at my offices...but that is in Arizona...
18:20:10gevaertsI'm doing exactly what the button does, but with curl I can delete more at a time, and the waiting overhead is once per request and not once per ban...
18:20:57scorche|shthat sounds nice
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18:28:32gevaertsOK, done
18:28:43gevaertsI've left the last one or two pages
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18:32:43scorche|shis there still the delay when banning?
18:32:55gevaertsShouldn't be
18:33:21gevaertsThe delay is because smf goes over all bans to see which users they apply to. If you only have a few bans that's not too bad
18:33:36*scorche|sh nods
18:34:01scorche|shthanks again for proving way more resourceful than i =)
18:34:19gevaertsI could remove them 900 at a time. 1000 was too much :)
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18:35:35*scorche|sh sees that Debian4Ever managed to prove himself not-a-bot after all
18:39:00[Saint]hilariously, he'd already done so after claiming otherwise.
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19:30:12ZincAlloyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIV8Od-eWC0
19:49:43*[Saint] was expecting to see it full of unicorn tears and Neil Young's personal blood and sweat.
19:49:53[Saint]I must say, I'm highly disappointed.
19:51:00[Saint]I've seen a teardown before. I love the way the form factor is totally and completely unnecessary. And/or how much space there is in there for additional lipo
19:51:33ZincAlloygotta put your own unicorn tears in
19:51:38[Saint]lay those caps flat, and you could make it a form factor that isn't shit, and fit in a fucktonne more battery.
19:51:56ZincAlloygotta save that up for the second generation
19:52:52[Saint]'ootputs'
19:53:22[Saint]Aha, Beauchamp, Canada checks out.
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21:12:04pamaurygevaerts: do you have a way of reaching zagor, bjorn or torne ? I tried to send them an email for my gerrit problem but none answered...
21:14:10pixelmaI see them in #rockbox-community more often than here, Zagor and Björn are names of the same person. I guess you wanted to add bagder or Daniel to the list instead though :)
21:21:49pamauryah yeah thanks for the fix ;)
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