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#rockbox log for 2015-01-25

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00:47:00[Franklin][Saint]: what do you think of XRacer as it is now?
00:47:03[Franklin]any ideaS?
00:47:31[Saint]Precisely zero.
00:48:24[Saint]I tried to compile it exactly once, but I caught you in the middle of a ninja-edit break-a-bunch-of-shit frenzy, and it didn't compile, and I put precisely zero thought into it from then 'til now.
00:49:37[Saint]plgins and I don't really see eye-to-eye, unless they're viewers, or encoders.
00:50:39[Franklin][Saint]: yeah, I get a lot of those :D
00:51:15[Franklin]anyway, it should work now
00:52:03[Saint]With me and plugins, it goes about as far as this: If its in git head, and breaks, I might notice it.
00:52:35[Saint]If its not in git head, I'm generally speaking incredibly unlikely to even know whether or not it compiles.
00:52:58[Saint](or be particularly bothered if it doesn't)
00:53:10[Franklin]I thought so :P
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00:54:33[Saint]I find some aspects of it interesting, like genuinely novel uses of code and/or unexpected use cases or syntactic wizardry.
00:55:15[Saint]But my general feeling towards plugins that aren't viewers or encoders in 2015 is "why is this still a thing?"
00:55:45[Saint]and I'm even begining to question viewers.
00:57:18[Saint]All my file viewing and editing needs are met by plugging the device into any one of numerous Android devices around me with USB-OTG.
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01:00:28[Franklin][Saint]: I do try to avoid syntactic wizardry wherever possible
01:00:32[Franklin]where was it?
01:00:57[Saint]I didn't mean in your case in particular necessarily, I just meant in general.
01:01:16[Franklin]*whew*
01:01:38[Saint]When I see a function or expression that's genuinely novel to me, I find it largely interesting.
01:02:20[Saint]Rockbox is *great* for finding many different ways to do the same, or largely similar, things - for better or worse, I dunno. But I find it interesting.
01:03:50[Saint]Codecs actually interest me quite a lot too, but the math, and the assembly (but mostly the math) is fairly daunting at times.
01:04:14[Saint]That, and the fact that there's very little room for improvement on the codecs that actually matter.
01:05:03[Saint]Once you're at ~7000% realtime, I suspect squeezing out that extra 0.001MHz doesn't particularly matter a hell of a lot in terms of efficiency.
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01:08:07saratogawork on opus
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01:24:03[Saint]saratoga: that still leaves the primary issue, the foolishly complex math.
01:25:04[Saint]Complex math wasn't ever a strong point, nor a particular interest of mine, nor something I found particularly easy to grasp.
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01:29:22[Franklin]is someone with a particularly slow device willing to test xracer?
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02:20:24saratoga[Saint]: i don't know that math is super important if you want to optimize decoders, you can usually do pretty well just by assuming whatever the code does is correct and then trying to optimize it
02:20:39saratogaassembly is a lot more important though
02:22:03[Saint]Hmmm, well, at least with opus I don't think my less than stellar understanding of assembly is going to prove too problematic.
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02:27:00saratogayeah assembly is annoying
02:27:21saratogaeverytime i start doing it again i spend all day just remembering how to do stuff and rarely get anything useful done
02:29:20saratogabut its quite satisfying when you find some simple function that gcc completely screws up, and then replace it with something more sensible
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19:29:25IvoahHi [Franklin]
19:32:24[Franklin]Ivoah: do you want to test xracer on a low-depth target?
19:32:33[Franklin]I just got greylib support "done"
19:32:53Ivoah[Franklin]: Sure, but my iPod is stuck in a reboot loop right now because its battery is dead
19:33:11[Franklin]have you tried charging it? :P
19:33:25IvoahI'm going to let it charge overnight
19:33:32IvoahI don't use it that much
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19:33:35[Franklin]which model is it?
19:34:37IvoahiPod 4g grayscale
19:35:09[Franklin]yeah, xracer should utilized greylib on it then
19:36:20Ivoahgreat
19:36:52[Franklin]now I'm gonna see if I can get sprite scaling to work...
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20:07:07[Franklin]wow... it worked
20:07:15[Franklin]just no scaling or offsets yet
20:27:02Ivoah[Franklin]: How do I test it?
20:27:30[Franklin]pull the code from gerrit and build
20:27:46[Franklin]git fetch git://git.rockbox.org/rockbox refs/changes/24/1124/35 && git checkout FETCH_HEAD
20:27:52[Franklin]then make && make install
20:37:14[Saint]Ivoah: make sure you're using the wall charger, and not USB, and force emergency disk mode.
20:37:27[Saint]it'll charge enough to power itself up in about ~10m
20:38:26Ivoah[Saint]: I'm using an iPad charger
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20:40:42[Saint]anyhoo - yeah, if its not powered up enough to power on successfully after ~10m, you need a new battery.
20:41:29[Saint]realistically even 500mA from a standard USB port /should/ be enough here, but I've found in the past that for whatever reason they don't like to charge from a standard USB port when deep discharged.
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20:42:18[Saint]and if they do their "trash themselves" thing, one needs a charger that at least declares itself to be an official one anyway.
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20:43:13[Saint]You somewhat reminded me just now that I needed to check why booting the 4G/Color/Photo is so damn unreliable lately.
20:43:40[Saint](where "lately" == "for about the past two years or so, probably longer)
20:44:43[Saint]I used to think it was just my devices, and indeed I may just be very unlucky, but they all seem to boot to Rockbox with about a 50% success rate.
20:45:40[Saint]The other 50% of the time they present the classic iPod 'sad face'.
20:46:03[Saint]...or the exclamation mark.
20:46:41[Saint]It would be more than slightly interesting to know if you see this behavior too.
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22:29:19kugelsaratoga: ping
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22:34:14saratoga_kugel: pong
22:34:26kugelsaratoga_: I'll be off for two weeks
22:34:37saratoga_i'm pretty busy right now as well
22:34:43saratoga_were you ok with that DX50 clean up?
22:34:53saratoga_from my point of view its a lot better than what we have now, so I wanted to push
22:35:02kugelI'm looking at all the ibasso patches right now in a quick manner
22:35:24kugelunless I'm -2'ing anything feel free to push any/all of those when I'm away
22:35:29saratoga_cool
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22:41:36kugelno time to test any of this on an android or ypr0 build anymore though
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23:19:22kugelsaratoga_: done. I -2'd a few but the vast majority is fine
23:19:31saratoga_i saw, thanks
23:19:54kugelI also think he's got a good style (now) and already a relatively good understanding of our codebase for being a newcomer
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23:24:33kugelI'm off to my cruise now. have a good time everyone, see you in two weeks
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23:28:30[Saint]Have a good time kugel, take care. o/
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23:43:06melvovaHello, I have a problem, i have rockbox installed on my sansa clip zip but it will not get past the botting screen, it just sayd "rockbox boot 4.0" I tried plugging it in to USB, when I do windows makes a sound that it is connected, and it installs drivers, but the microusb / internal memory do not show on my computer, the device shows up in my devices but it has a caution symbol about a driver error. Any help is appreciated.
23:43:37melvovaOh and I also tried booting using left + power for original firmware and it just gets stuck loading :/
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