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#rockbox log for 2015-02-15

00:13:49 Join djzloy [0] (
00:14:56djzloyhello friends! If i got 32mb RAW at sansa+ i can do something with that?
00:15:36[Saint]You're gonna need to be a whole lot less vague if you want support 'lil buddy.
00:18:48djzloySansa+ 4G died suddenly after rockbox upgrade , with no seen reason , now it M200plus 32mb RAW in Debian
00:23:21djzloyNothing to do with that?
00:23:34[Saint]There's no model called "Sansa+"
00:23:54djzloySansa Clip+
00:25:07[Saint] is all we know about this
00:25:24[Saint]But, in all seriousness, your device is probably toast.
00:26:27[Saint]If you do get it booting again, which is fairly unlikely, there's a very real chance you'll lose the ability to boot into the OF without a full dump from a working device.
00:26:46djzloySeems that. Next time better using "stable" relises hehe
00:26:48[Saint]But, Rockbox booting and functioning would be a bonus I'm sure.
00:26:59[Saint]djzloy: no.
00:27:09[Saint]this has nothing to do with the devloper releases vs. stable
00:27:27[Saint]at this point I don't suggest anyone uses the release builds.
00:27:40[Franklin]there's more bugs in stable than git I'd imagine :)
00:28:32djzloyYes dev was working better before that sudden death
00:29:28djzloyi even spin few times 2 hr sets from that clip+
00:29:34[Saint]If you go through with this procedue, be _very careful_, check, double check, and triple check each command you type before pushing Enter, and remove any external drives beforehand to limit the amount of damage you can do.
00:29:35djzloywith dev
00:29:57[Saint]dd is an extremely powerful tool, a single typo and you can have a very bad day.
00:30:00djzloyYes i read all thx
00:30:19djzloyIm not newbe with PC =)
00:31:17djzloywell RIP Sansa Clip+ you was good little buddy =)
00:31:56[Saint]You can always try the unbrick procedure.
00:32:05[Saint]I mean, you can't break it any more than it is now.
00:32:21djzloyI was try all without JTAG
00:32:38[Saint]Well...I mean, you could, I guess, with a hammer...or something sufficiently massive, but that's besides the point. Broken is broken.
00:32:45[Saint]If there's a chance you can fix it, go for it.
00:32:53[Saint]Just keep in mind its unlikely to work.
00:33:56djzloyWell i was few nights of trying to do that , here have one more try =)
00:34:03[Saint]There's no way you went through that procedue in the past 7 minutes... -_-
00:34:26[Saint]AH, hmmm. Ok.
00:44:20djzloyits like recovery mode, but after dd nothing happen
00:48:14[Saint]If its not a ~900MB partition, you're Doing It Wrong(TM), or its just plain not going to work.
00:48:25[Saint]dding to any other volume _will not help you_.
00:48:59[Franklin]it might wipe your system if you're unlucky...
00:49:13djzloyYes i know =( but it dont want show 900mb to me =(
00:49:29[Franklin]so something's wrong ;)
00:49:42djzloyLOL i not so dumb friend
00:50:13jhMikeSWell, some customers...are special customers; we just haven't placed you yet.
00:50:15[Saint]WHat part of the guide included the words "If this doesn't work, just make shit up and do whatever you feel like doing, because we only wrote this guide to waste your time anyway"?
00:51:40[Saint]I mean it ok saying you're not so dumb, etc. etc. but you just did so after emonstrating that you quite clearly deviated from the given, yeah.
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00:54:04djzloyi was doing that after read all about and try all writeng there, so what?
00:56:01[Saint]Yeah. Its OK. That guide doesn't mean anything anyway and we only put the warnings up to waste your time. It doesn't do anything anway.
00:56:04[Saint]You got us.
00:57:57[Franklin]BTW, this whole project is a farce
00:58:16[Franklin]All the bins are from /dev/urandom
00:58:23djzloyyou can write me about quide once more if you got happy with that bro =)
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01:00:26djzloyi love random bites ;)
01:02:27[Franklin]The wiki? sort -R /usr/share/dict/american-english
01:03:33[Saint]we're civilized creature here.
01:03:45djzloyכן כמו חבר ש
01:04:17djzloyи не только англ =)
01:04:23[Franklin]All the "developers" on IRC? chatbots.
01:04:27djzloynot only english
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01:04:40[Franklin][Saint] here is a support bot, you see.
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01:05:42djzloySeems only 3 human here left lol
01:07:18djzloywhat better to buy for RB ?
01:07:26[Saint]Intelligent? Pffffffft.
01:07:53djzloyHiFiMAN HM-801?
01:09:24[Saint]Question marks don't make things questions.
01:09:46[Franklin]Yes they do?
01:10:26[Franklin]In all seriousness, will rockbox *ever* have another release?
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01:11:03djzloystrange I thought they do
01:11:14[Saint]There's very little reason to do so, barring saving those that are deathly afraid of the development builds.
01:11:33[Franklin][Saint]: exactly that
01:11:46[Saint]Its more of a holistic thing than something that actually matters at this point.
01:12:06[Franklin]so many people are using 3.13 thinking that it's 'stable'
01:12:34djzloybecause it says stable
01:12:41[Saint]If it works for them, then it is, I guess.
01:13:06[Saint]djzloy: the build classifications and what they mean is clearly outlined on the main page.
01:13:24[Saint]stable != stable, unstable != unstable, and unusable...well, you get it.
01:13:35djzloyyeah i know thank you
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01:23:12m4t hey [Saint]
01:23:21m4ti got it goin' on my Zen
01:23:41[Saint]Awesome. How do you find it?
01:23:56[Saint]It has to be better than the Zen's original FW, lol.
01:24:32m4ti built from source, was easy with the scripts
01:24:47m4tinstall was kinda poorly documented and it did a scary freeze after uploading the fw
01:24:52m4thad to use the reset button
01:25:04m4tbut rockbox is sweet, it's just the sound quality is very poor :(
01:25:34m4ti dunno if the player just sucks or if there's something else going on. i didn't test beforehand to compare
01:26:28[Saint]You can hop back and forth between the original firmware and ROckbox at your leisure with dualboot.
01:26:40m4tthey use a different filesystem i think?
01:26:53[Saint]WHile one is running, no code from the other is interfering. So it should be easy to compare.
01:27:29m4tlessee if i can do it
01:28:03Mihailsaratoga: I update g1146
01:28:05m4tit's not documented, do you hold a key at boot?
01:28:07fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #1146 at : 3AS3543: Fix recording volume setting and voice by Mihail Zenkov
01:29:06m4toh you hold play
01:29:15m4t"rebuilding" aka formatting over my rockbox install hehe
01:29:39m4ter i held back yeah
01:30:21m4tit's super impressive you guys got it going on there
01:30:23[Saint]yeah, its a bit of a pain in the ass this filesystem business with no clear way to solve it that doesn't end up with Rockbox supporting a new filesystem format.
01:30:27m4ti looked at some of the utilities
01:30:35[Saint]pamaury is a machine.
01:30:41m4tfiguring out decryption keys etc.
01:30:50m4textracting from vendor .exe installers
01:30:52[Saint]I'm not convinced he's not a robot or AI of some form.
01:31:01[Saint]He's a reverse engineering machine of death.
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01:31:17m4thrm it's still at "Rebuilding..."
01:31:32m4tlet it do it's thang?
01:32:13[Saint]I'm not sure how long this process takes myself.
01:32:33[Saint]I know the sdcard doesn't get touched, so its best to store media there for the sake of sanity.
01:33:43m4tit's angry
01:36:05m4tit wants me to poke its reset button
01:39:49m4tby not documented, i meant i didn't bother looking
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01:42:35m4tyay back to stock
01:46:03m4ttough to A-B this
01:48:43m4tdefinitely a lot of hiss on stock. probably the same
01:49:21*m4t wonders if that has anything to do with using the headphone cable as an antenna
01:51:44m4ti *could* load up a test file and run it through some audio analyzer software to get thd/snr dynamic range specs :-)
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01:53:30[Saint]If you could RMAA the two with one of our test files, that'd be awesome.
01:53:48m4tthat's what i was going to use
01:53:53*m4t is kind of into diy audio
01:54:08*m4t doesn't trust his ears as a measurement device
01:54:37[Saint]If you ever start doing so, I've got a $100K ethernet cable I'd love to sell 'ya.
01:55:26m4term, could i just use the .wav generated by RMAA?
01:55:36m4ti've never done a non-loopback test
02:01:29[Franklin]I can draw bierstadt's painting from my OS kernel! :D
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02:05:42[Saint]his one painting?
02:06:33[Saint]Not like he was a widely acclaimed landscape artist or anything... ;)
02:11:59m4ti forgot how buggy rmma is
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02:32:15m4thot plugging my line in cable is makin the zen reboot in stock
02:59:38m4t-85.3 noise level in stock
03:00:05m4tnow to compare :D
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03:15:44m4tidentical. rockbox did a very small amount better.
03:16:12m4ton noise/dynamic range. maybe .5dB
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18:52:40giogioI pushed some changes for Creative ZEN port, about keymaps. The code need a reviewer
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18:53:48giogioIt's my first push on the project, so if there is somewhere I went wrong, or something I should do, tell me
18:54:16pamaurygiogio: let me check
18:54:22giogiolink to the pushed code is
18:54:32giogiothank you
18:54:58pamaurygiogio: can you motivate this patch ? which device needs this and what does it do ?
18:56:09giogioany ZEN device with a 'menu' button needs this patch. It just enable using the unused 'menu' button to open context menu
18:57:04giogioI found long press on 'select' button uncomfortable, but it can still be used
18:57:21pamauryI see, indeed I defined ZEN_HAS_CONTROL but obviously forgot to use it ^^
18:58:01pamaurydid you test it ?
18:58:15giogioyes, on my device
18:58:31pamauryok that looks fine, I'll push it, thanks :)
18:58:49giogioWell, thank you
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19:00:19giogioThere's still another key unused on ZEN, which is the 'shortcut' button
19:00:51giogioBut I didn't explore all the possible case where it can be used
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19:02:33giogiomaybe in the future I will :)
19:02:57pamauryyes, I admit I didn't do much work on the keymap of the ZEN. It already takes a lot of time to come up with a working keymap for all menus/plugins, so I got bored when it was done.
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19:05:20giogioI noticed for example, in several situations there is a message like "press play=YES or any other = no" on the screen
19:06:17giogioand actually the button needed for YES is 'select' (the center button) and not 'play', which is a different one
19:07:04pamauryhum, do you have specific examples ? This might be easy to fix in some places
19:07:32giogiolet me check
19:20:01giogioI was trying to reproduce the scenario I remember, which is when you select a bunch of things to play while listening something else and there's a message asking you whether to replace the current playlist
19:20:24giogiobut for some reasons the message is not appearing
19:21:31pamauryok let me grep the source
19:23:40pamauryhum, not that easy to grep :( All references I found are in plugins
19:24:21pamauryI know some probbaly display such messages but if that's a regular menu in not-a-plugin then it's a bug
19:24:29giogioI found another (similar) examples, in radio - > context menu -> auto-scan presets
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19:24:56^[-_-]^giogio: i will test it
19:26:16giogioehm... I not really familiar with IRC.... is this a bot or user message? ^^'
19:26:38[Franklin]his name is ^[-_-]^
19:27:08pamauryLANG_CONFIRM_WITH_BUTTON is suspicious
19:27:11pamauryin lang files
19:29:02^[-_-]^i have a Zen
19:29:06pamaurygiogio: try this patch: pamaury/899657eb3a78d8b81775">
19:29:34pamauryah damn, patch is buggy: replace "zen*" by "creativezen*"
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19:36:02giogioplease forgive my question but I'm a noob about using patch... ^^'
19:36:25giogiohow do I use it?
19:36:50[Franklin]patch < file.patch
19:37:33[Franklin]or patch -p1 < file.patch
19:37:38[Franklin]probably that one ^
19:38:10giogioprobably yes cause it says "perhaps you should use -p "
19:38:34m4ti just ran a make clean with a bad environment
19:38:42m4tand now my whole git tree is destroyed
19:39:00m4tgiogio: so it'll be a minute until i can test :-)
19:39:21m4tor maybe it's because i 'make clean' in the root of the tree?
19:39:59[Franklin]there shouldn't be a makefile there
19:41:47m4tthere was
19:42:14m4tmaybe because i ran tools/config from root dir
19:42:26[Franklin]to steal [Saint]'s favorite tagline... You're Doing it Wrong (TM)
19:42:39m4twell, yeah
19:42:59[Franklin]I thought the configure script safeguarded against things like that...
19:43:10[Franklin]or maybe just from it being run in the tools/ dir
19:43:13m4thehe apparently no it does not
19:44:14giogiodon't worry, I think I will be even slower since I'm learning how to patch (just did it ;) )
19:45:04m4ttypically you learn to patch before you learn to generate a patch
19:45:43giogioyeah, typically
19:47:00giogiojust to be sure, since it's my second time: to compile do I need just to go in build directory and 'make' and then 'make zip', right?
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20:02:02giogioI forgot to edit the patch -.-
20:05:30[Franklin]is there a certain file I should check for in the rockbox tree that indicates pretty definitively that it is indeed the source tree?
20:07:19[Franklin]never mind... I'll just check for tools/configure :)
20:08:55NapychCan I apply some commits that stuck under review to my current source tree?
20:08:55m4tgiogio: seems to work fine
20:09:17[Franklin]Napych: yes
20:09:23NapychExcept copy-pasting diffs from web git
20:09:40[Franklin]copy+paste the command it shows
20:10:17NapychGot it. What about applying 2 commits in the same time?
20:10:29[Franklin]just run both commands
20:10:45NapychOh, thanks.
20:10:49[Franklin]order shouldn't matter; if there's a conflict it should merge
20:11:57giogiom4t: what did you check?
20:12:07m4tgiogio: yeah i'm running it
20:13:26[Franklin]G#1151 patches the configure script a bit
20:17:00m4tuhm context menus
20:18:00m4tshould i check something else?
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20:18:41giogiopamaury: same thing happens when upload so on device: message says "press PLAY for seboot", but Select is needed
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20:19:03NapychG#1150 for example :)
20:19:32[Franklin]Napych: try the cherry-pick option
20:19:46[Franklin]it "cherry-picks" just that commit into your tree
20:20:35NapychShould I push new branch for this?
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20:20:48[Franklin]Napych: a new patch set or a new task?
20:21:19[Franklin]for a new task you probably want a branch off master so your tasks won't be dependent on each other
20:21:33NapychNvm, I feed I should read gerrit manual now :)
20:22:02[Franklin]Napych: but if you want to update an existing task, you need to flatten your commits first onto the first commit
20:22:09[Franklin]so git rebase -i master
20:22:53giogiopamaury: I applyed the patch but I did notice no changes
20:23:03NapychNo, I just want to create a build with some commits that are still under review.
20:23:30[Franklin]Napych: oh...
20:23:35[Franklin]well just cherry-pick them all
20:23:42[Franklin]possibly in a new branch
20:25:01giogiopamaury: I managed to reproduce the the problem, when you select something to play but you have already something in the playlist. The message says "Erase dynamic playlist? play = yes, any other = no"
20:25:27giogiobut instead 'select' is needed for yes
20:27:56giogiodon't know whether it's better or easyer to change the message or the actual button needed. I'd choose to change the key, since maybe having the 'select' key as 'no' is safer in general, when asking for confirms, for example, for deletions
20:38:29pamaurygiogio: did you try with my patch ?
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20:39:24pamaurygiogio: did you clean and rebuild everything ? (make clean && make)
20:39:31pamaurysometimes langages files don't get rebuilt
20:40:35giogioi did not 'make clean', just make; make zip
20:40:55giogioi will make clean && make && make zip
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20:54:28[Franklin]any committers around?
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20:58:23pamaury[Franklin]: yes
20:58:51[Franklin]pamaury: G#1151 shouldn't be able to break anything...
20:58:55[Franklin]hehe shouldn't
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21:01:17pamaury[Franklin]: did you test it ?
21:01:45[Franklin]but let me test more
21:02:07[Franklin]seems to work
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21:03:11pamauryok i'll push it
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21:08:59[Franklin]blue's AWOL... again
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21:14:08pamaurywodz: I'm finishing qeditor, the editor should complete by tonight
21:15:27wodzpamaury: I'll try to find some time to play with it.
21:15:32[Saint]Your Zen work rather impressed someone the other day who was happy to find you put new life into that fairly nice but forgotten bundle of circuitry.
21:15:50[Saint]Nice HW, terrible UI.
21:16:10[Saint]You also apparently marginally increased the ausio properties.
21:16:13[Saint]So, well done.
21:16:45[Saint]should be RMAA results up in the logs somewhere.
21:18:25giogiopamaury: I did test with your patch, still same problem
21:22:05pamaurygiogio: you did apply what my comment says about replacing zen* with creativezen* right ?
21:22:09giogioalthough I still did not understand why the message "Erase dynamic playlist?" sometime appears, sometimes doesnt
21:22:28giogioI did
21:23:52[Saint]Isn't there a setting for that?
21:24:02[Saint]To not wartn on erasing the dynamic playlist, I mean?
21:24:14*[Saint] checks
21:25:34pamaurygiogio: ok my mistake, my patch is missing some code, wait a sec
21:26:24pamaurygiogio: pamaury/899657eb3a78d8b81775">
21:27:25[Saint]giogio: Settings - General Settings - Playlists - Warn when erasing dynamic playlists - No
21:27:52pamauryplease do try my patch before changing the setting ;)
21:28:06[Saint](it, understandably, defaults on to warn you in case you're starting a new playlist that will nuke the dynamic playlist in case you want to save it first)
21:28:24[Saint]and, yes, listen to pamaury - I'm just making you aware it exists.
21:28:55giogio[Saint]: but I want to be warned, but I'm not always...
21:29:06giogioand I don't understand why
21:30:07[Saint]A misunderstanding between a fixed playlist and the dynamic playlist, perhaps? I just came in, I should probably read the backlog.
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21:33:59giogiowhat's intended as dynamic playlist? I want a dynamic playlist because I want to reproduce the message "erase dynamic playlist? play=yes other=no", since the problem is that the real key needed for yes is not 'play' but 'select', the center key
21:39:26giogiopamaury: I have some problem with the patch. I am a noob using patch. I have this error applying your patch, but don't know how to solve it. error is "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] ^C"
21:40:09pamaurygiogio: make sure to undo the previous patch
21:41:04giogioehm... how? ^^'
21:42:50pamaurygit checkout apps/gui/yesno.c
21:42:57pamaury(fix the path if needed)
21:43:51giogiodid with patch -R ;)
21:44:37pamauryhum ok, make sure the result looks like what is expected
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21:47:58giogioit does. Can I just make or I need to always make clean before?
21:48:53[Franklin]just make
21:49:07[Franklin]make caches old object files to speed up the build
21:49:14[Franklin]well... not really "cache"
21:49:27[Franklin]but it's smart enough to know what it needs to rebuilt
21:50:33wodzTheSeven: have you seen g#1148 ?
21:50:45giogiovery good: in fact it just recompiled what I changed ;)
21:53:42giogiopamaury: it works now, messages are select=yes
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22:34:00giogiothanks everyone
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