#rockbox 2015-02-15

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#rockbox log for 2015-02-15

00:13:49		Join djzloy [0] (~chatzilla@unnum-78-27-173-27.domashka.kiev.ua)
00:14:56	djzloy	hello friends! If i got 32mb RAW at sansa+ i can do something with that?
00:15:36	[Saint]	You're gonna need to be a whole lot less vague if you want support 'lil buddy.
00:18:48	djzloy	Sansa+ 4G died suddenly after rockbox upgrade , with no seen reason , now it M200plus 32mb RAW in Debian
00:23:21	djzloy	Nothing to do with that?
00:23:34	[Saint]	There's no model called "Sansa+"
00:23:54	djzloy	Sansa Clip+
00:23:59	djzloy	sry
00:25:07	[Saint]	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick is all we know about this
00:25:24	[Saint]	But, in all seriousness, your device is probably toast.
00:26:27	[Saint]	If you do get it booting again, which is fairly unlikely, there's a very real chance you'll lose the ability to boot into the OF without a full dump from a working device.
00:26:46	djzloy	Seems that. Next time better using "stable" relises hehe
00:26:48	[Saint]	But, Rockbox booting and functioning would be a bonus I'm sure.
00:26:59	[Saint]	djzloy: no.
00:27:09	[Saint]	this has nothing to do with the devloper releases vs. stable
00:27:27	[Saint]	at this point I don't suggest anyone uses the release builds.
00:27:40	[Franklin]	there's more bugs in stable than git I'd imagine :)
00:28:04	[Saint]	precisely.
00:28:32	djzloy	Yes dev was working better before that sudden death
00:29:28	djzloy	i even spin few times 2 hr sets from that clip+
00:29:34	[Saint]	If you go through with this procedue, be _very careful_, check, double check, and triple check each command you type before pushing Enter, and remove any external drives beforehand to limit the amount of damage you can do.
00:29:35	djzloy	with dev
00:29:57	[Saint]	dd is an extremely powerful tool, a single typo and you can have a very bad day.
00:30:00	djzloy	Yes i read all thx
00:30:19	djzloy	Im not newbe with PC =)
00:31:17	djzloy	well RIP Sansa Clip+ you was good little buddy =)
00:31:56	[Saint]	You can always try the unbrick procedure.
00:32:05	[Saint]	I mean, you can't break it any more than it is now.
00:32:21	djzloy	I was try all without JTAG
00:32:38	[Saint]	Well...I mean, you could, I guess, with a hammer...or something sufficiently massive, but that's besides the point. Broken is broken.
00:32:45	[Saint]	If there's a chance you can fix it, go for it.
00:32:53	[Saint]	Just keep in mind its unlikely to work.
00:33:56	djzloy	Well i was few nights of trying to do that , here have one more try =)
00:34:03	[Saint]	There's no way you went through that procedue in the past 7 minutes... -_-
00:34:26	[Saint]	AH, hmmm. Ok.
00:44:20	djzloy	its like recovery mode, but after dd nothing happen
00:48:14	[Saint]	If its not a ~900MB partition, you're Doing It Wrong(TM), or its just plain not going to work.
00:48:25	[Saint]	dding to any other volume _will not help you_.
00:48:59	[Franklin]	it might wipe your system if you're unlucky...
00:49:13	djzloy	Yes i know =( but it dont want show 900mb to me =(
00:49:29	[Franklin]	so something's wrong ;)
00:49:42	djzloy	LOL i not so dumb friend
00:49:59	[Franklin]	jk
00:50:13	jhMikeS	Well, some customers...are special customers; we just haven't placed you yet.
00:50:15	[Saint]	WHat part of the guide included the words "If this doesn't work, just make shit up and do whatever you feel like doing, because we only wrote this guide to waste your time anyway"?
00:50:17	[Saint]	;)
00:51:13	djzloy	funny
00:51:40	[Saint]	I mean it ok saying you're not so dumb, etc. etc. but you just did so after emonstrating that you quite clearly deviated from the given instructions...so, yeah.
00:51:50	[Saint]	*demonstrating.
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00:54:04	djzloy	i was doing that after read all about and try all writeng there, so what?
00:56:01	[Saint]	Yeah. Its OK. That guide doesn't mean anything anyway and we only put the warnings up to waste your time. It doesn't do anything anway.
00:56:04	[Saint]	You got us.
00:57:05	djzloy	Exactly
00:57:57	[Franklin]	BTW, this whole project is a farce
00:58:16	[Franklin]	All the bins are from /dev/urandom
00:58:23	djzloy	you can write me about quide once more if you got happy with that bro =)
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01:00:26	djzloy	i love random bites ;)
01:02:27	[Franklin]	The wiki? sort -R /usr/share/dict/american-english
01:03:25	[Saint]	*uk
01:03:33	[Saint]	we're civilized creature here.
01:03:37	[Franklin]	lol
01:03:45	djzloy	כן כמו חבר ש
01:04:17	djzloy	и не только англ =)
01:04:23	[Franklin]	All the "developers" on IRC? chatbots.
01:04:27	djzloy	not only english
01:04:33		Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection)
01:04:40	[Franklin]	[Saint] here is a support bot, you see.
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01:05:42	djzloy	Seems only 3 human here left lol
01:05:43	[Franklin]	Self-Automated-Intelligent-Noise-generaTor
01:07:18	djzloy	what better to buy for RB ?
01:07:26	[Saint]	Intelligent? Pffffffft.
01:07:53	djzloy	HiFiMAN HM-801?
01:09:24	[Saint]	Question marks don't make things questions.
01:09:46	[Franklin]	Yes they do?
01:10:26	[Franklin]	In all seriousness, will rockbox ever have another release?
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01:11:03	djzloy	strange I thought they do
01:11:14	[Saint]	There's very little reason to do so, barring saving those that are deathly afraid of the development builds.
01:11:33	[Franklin]	[Saint]: exactly that
01:11:46	[Saint]	Its more of a holistic thing than something that actually matters at this point.
01:12:06	[Franklin]	so many people are using 3.13 thinking that it's 'stable'
01:12:34	djzloy	because it says stable
01:12:41	[Saint]	If it works for them, then it is, I guess.
01:13:06	[Saint]	djzloy: the build classifications and what they mean is clearly outlined on the main page.
01:13:24	[Saint]	stable != stable, unstable != unstable, and unusable...well, you get it.
01:13:35	djzloy	yeah i know thank you
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01:23:12	m4t	hey [Saint]
01:23:21	m4t	i got it goin' on my Zen
01:23:41	[Saint]	Awesome. How do you find it?
01:23:56	[Saint]	It has to be better than the Zen's original FW, lol.
01:24:32	m4t	i built from source, was easy with the scripts
01:24:47	m4t	install was kinda poorly documented and it did a scary freeze after uploading the fw
01:24:52	m4t	had to use the reset button
01:25:04	m4t	but rockbox is sweet, it's just the sound quality is very poor :(
01:25:34	m4t	i dunno if the player just sucks or if there's something else going on. i didn't test beforehand to compare
01:26:28	[Saint]	You can hop back and forth between the original firmware and ROckbox at your leisure with dualboot.
01:26:40	m4t	they use a different filesystem i think?
01:26:53	[Saint]	WHile one is running, no code from the other is interfering. So it should be easy to compare.
01:27:29	m4t	lessee if i can do it
01:28:03	Mihail	saratoga: I update g1146
01:28:05	m4t	it's not documented, do you hold a key at boot?
01:28:07	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #1146 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1146 : AS3543: Fix recording volume setting and voice by Mihail Zenkov
01:29:06	m4t	oh you hold play
01:29:15	m4t	"rebuilding" aka formatting over my rockbox install hehe
01:29:23	[Saint]	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CreativeZENPort#Booting_to_the_OF
01:29:39	m4t	er i held back yeah
01:29:40	m4t	thanks
01:30:21	m4t	it's super impressive you guys got it going on there
01:30:23	[Saint]	yeah, its a bit of a pain in the ass this filesystem business with no clear way to solve it that doesn't end up with Rockbox supporting a new filesystem format.
01:30:27	m4t	i looked at some of the utilities
01:30:35	[Saint]	pamaury is a machine.
01:30:41	m4t	figuring out decryption keys etc.
01:30:50	m4t	extracting from vendor .exe installers
01:30:52	[Saint]	I'm not convinced he's not a robot or AI of some form.
01:30:57	m4t	:-)
01:31:01	[Saint]	He's a reverse engineering machine of death.
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01:31:11	[Franklin]	lol
01:31:17	m4t	hrm it's still at "Rebuilding..."
01:31:32	m4t	let it do it's thang?
01:32:13	[Saint]	I'm not sure how long this process takes myself.
01:32:33	[Saint]	I know the sdcard doesn't get touched, so its best to store media there for the sake of sanity.
01:33:25	m4t	wee
01:33:43	m4t	it's angry
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01:36:05	m4t	it wants me to poke its reset button
01:39:36	m4t	oh
01:39:37	m4t	RTFM
01:39:49	m4t	by not documented, i meant i didn't bother looking
01:39:51	m4t	lol
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01:42:35	m4t	yay back to stock
01:46:03	m4t	tough to A-B this
01:48:43	m4t	definitely a lot of hiss on stock. probably the same
01:49:21	*	m4t wonders if that has anything to do with using the headphone cable as an antenna
01:51:44	m4t	i could load up a test file and run it through some audio analyzer software to get thd/snr dynamic range specs :-)
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01:53:30	[Saint]	If you could RMAA the two with one of our test files, that'd be awesome.
01:53:31	[Saint]	http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/
01:53:40	m4t	sure
01:53:48	m4t	that's what i was going to use
01:53:53	*	m4t is kind of into diy audio
01:54:08	*	m4t doesn't trust his ears as a measurement device
01:54:37	[Saint]	If you ever start doing so, I've got a $100K ethernet cable I'd love to sell 'ya.
01:54:43	m4t	hehe
01:55:26	m4t	erm, could i just use the .wav generated by RMAA?
01:55:36	m4t	i've never done a non-loopback test
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02:01:14	[Franklin]	yay!
02:01:29	[Franklin]	I can draw bierstadt's painting from my OS kernel! :D
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02:01:54	[Franklin]	sorry
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02:05:42	[Saint]	his one painting?
02:06:33	[Saint]	Not like he was a widely acclaimed landscape artist or anything... ;)
02:11:59	m4t	i forgot how buggy rmma is
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02:32:15	m4t	hot plugging my line in cable is makin the zen reboot in stock
02:59:31	m4t	phew
02:59:38	m4t	-85.3 noise level in stock
02:59:54	m4t	0.095thd
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03:00:05	m4t	now to compare :D
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03:15:36	m4t	hehe
03:15:44	m4t	identical. rockbox did a very small amount better.
03:16:12	m4t	on noise/dynamic range. maybe .5dB
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18:52:40	giogio	I pushed some changes for Creative ZEN port, about keymaps. The code need a reviewer
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18:53:48	giogio	It's my first push on the project, so if there is somewhere I went wrong, or something I should do, tell me
18:54:16	pamaury	giogio: let me check
18:54:22	giogio	link to the pushed code is http://gerrit.rockbox.org/1149
18:54:32	giogio	thank you
18:54:58	pamaury	giogio: can you motivate this patch ? which device needs this and what does it do ?
18:56:09	giogio	any ZEN device with a 'menu' button needs this patch. It just enable using the unused 'menu' button to open context menu
18:57:04	giogio	I found long press on 'select' button uncomfortable, but it can still be used
18:57:21	pamaury	I see, indeed I defined ZEN_HAS_CONTROL but obviously forgot to use it ^^
18:58:01	pamaury	did you test it ?
18:58:15	giogio	yes, on my device
18:58:31	pamaury	ok that looks fine, I'll push it, thanks :)
18:58:49	giogio	Well, thank you
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19:00:19	giogio	There's still another key unused on ZEN, which is the 'shortcut' button
19:00:51	giogio	But I didn't explore all the possible case where it can be used
19:01:03	giogio	*cases
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19:02:33	giogio	maybe in the future I will :)
19:02:57	pamaury	yes, I admit I didn't do much work on the keymap of the ZEN. It already takes a lot of time to come up with a working keymap for all menus/plugins, so I got bored when it was done.
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19:05:20	giogio	I noticed for example, in several situations there is a message like "press play=YES or any other = no" on the screen
19:06:17	giogio	and actually the button needed for YES is 'select' (the center button) and not 'play', which is a different one
19:07:04	pamaury	hum, do you have specific examples ? This might be easy to fix in some places
19:07:32	giogio	let me check
19:20:01	giogio	I was trying to reproduce the scenario I remember, which is when you select a bunch of things to play while listening something else and there's a message asking you whether to replace the current playlist
19:20:24	giogio	but for some reasons the message is not appearing
19:21:31	pamaury	ok let me grep the source
19:23:40	pamaury	hum, not that easy to grep :( All references I found are in plugins
19:24:21	pamaury	I know some probbaly display such messages but if that's a regular menu in not-a-plugin then it's a bug
19:24:29	giogio	I found another (similar) examples, in radio - > context menu -> auto-scan presets
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19:24:56	^[-_-]^	giogio: i will test it
19:26:16	giogio	ehm... I not really familiar with IRC.... is this a bot or user message? ^^'
19:26:38	[Franklin]	his name is ^[-_-]^
19:27:08	pamaury	LANG_CONFIRM_WITH_BUTTON is suspicious
19:27:11	pamaury	in lang files
19:29:02	^[-_-]^	i have a Zen
19:29:06	pamaury	giogio: try this patch: https://gist.github.com/pamaury/899657eb3a78d8b81775
19:29:34	pamaury	ah damn, patch is buggy: replace "zen" by "creativezen"
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19:36:02	giogio	please forgive my question but I'm a noob about using patch... ^^'
19:36:25	giogio	how do I use it?
19:36:50	[Franklin]	patch < file.patch
19:36:59	giogio	ok
19:37:33	[Franklin]	or patch -p1 < file.patch
19:37:38	[Franklin]	probably that one ^
19:38:10	giogio	probably yes cause it says "perhaps you should use -p "
19:38:27	m4t	erm
19:38:34	m4t	i just ran a make clean with a bad environment
19:38:42	m4t	and now my whole git tree is destroyed
19:38:43	m4t	lol
19:39:00	m4t	giogio: so it'll be a minute until i can test :-)
19:39:21	m4t	or maybe it's because i 'make clean' in the root of the tree?
19:39:59	[Franklin]	there shouldn't be a makefile there
19:41:47	m4t	there was
19:42:07	m4t	oh
19:42:14	m4t	maybe because i ran tools/config from root dir
19:42:17	m4t	hehe
19:42:26	[Franklin]	to steal [Saint]'s favorite tagline... You're Doing it Wrong (TM)
19:42:39	m4t	well, yeah
19:42:59	[Franklin]	I thought the configure script safeguarded against things like that...
19:43:10	[Franklin]	or maybe just from it being run in the tools/ dir
19:43:13	m4t	hehe apparently no it does not
19:44:14	giogio	don't worry, I think I will be even slower since I'm learning how to patch (just did it ;) )
19:45:04	m4t	typically you learn to patch before you learn to generate a patch
19:45:43	giogio	yeah, typically
19:47:00	giogio	just to be sure, since it's my second time: to compile do I need just to go in build directory and 'make' and then 'make zip', right?
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20:02:02	giogio	I forgot to edit the patch -.-
20:05:30	[Franklin]	is there a certain file I should check for in the rockbox tree that indicates pretty definitively that it is indeed the source tree?
20:07:19	[Franklin]	never mind... I'll just check for tools/configure :)
20:08:55	Napych	Can I apply some commits that stuck under review to my current source tree?
20:08:55	m4t	giogio: seems to work fine
20:09:17	[Franklin]	Napych: yes
20:09:23	Napych	Except copy-pasting diffs from web git
20:09:40	[Franklin]	copy+paste the command it shows
20:10:17	Napych	Got it. What about applying 2 commits in the same time?
20:10:29	[Franklin]	just run both commands
20:10:45	Napych	Oh, thanks.
20:10:49	[Franklin]	order shouldn't matter; if there's a conflict it should merge
20:11:57	giogio	m4t: what did you check?
20:12:07	m4t	giogio: yeah i'm running it
20:13:26	[Franklin]	G#1151 patches the configure script a bit
20:16:56	m4t	oh
20:17:00	m4t	uhm context menus
20:17:07	giogio	ok
20:18:00	m4t	should i check something else?
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20:18:41	giogio	pamaury: same thing happens when upload so on device: message says "press PLAY for seboot", but Select is needed
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20:19:03	Napych	G#1150 for example :)
20:19:32	[Franklin]	Napych: try the cherry-pick option
20:19:46	[Franklin]	it "cherry-picks" just that commit into your tree
20:20:35	Napych	Should I push new branch for this?
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20:20:48	[Franklin]	Napych: a new patch set or a new task?
20:21:19	[Franklin]	for a new task you probably want a branch off master so your tasks won't be dependent on each other
20:21:33	Napych	Nvm, I feed I should read gerrit manual now :)
20:21:54	Napych	feel*
20:22:02	[Franklin]	Napych: but if you want to update an existing task, you need to flatten your commits first onto the first commit
20:22:09	[Franklin]	so git rebase -i master
20:22:53	giogio	pamaury: I applyed the patch but I did notice no changes
20:23:03	Napych	No, I just want to create a build with some commits that are still under review.
20:23:30	[Franklin]	Napych: oh...
20:23:35	[Franklin]	well just cherry-pick them all
20:23:42	[Franklin]	possibly in a new branch
20:25:01	giogio	pamaury: I managed to reproduce the the problem, when you select something to play but you have already something in the playlist. The message says "Erase dynamic playlist? play = yes, any other = no"
20:25:27	giogio	but instead 'select' is needed for yes
20:27:56	giogio	don't know whether it's better or easyer to change the message or the actual button needed. I'd choose to change the key, since maybe having the 'select' key as 'no' is safer in general, when asking for confirms, for example, for deletions
20:38:29	pamaury	giogio: did you try with my patch ?
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20:39:24	pamaury	giogio: did you clean and rebuild everything ? (make clean && make)
20:39:31	pamaury	sometimes langages files don't get rebuilt
20:40:35	giogio	i did not 'make clean', just make; make zip
20:40:55	giogio	i will make clean && make && make zip
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20:54:28	[Franklin]	any committers around?
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20:58:23	pamaury	[Franklin]: yes
20:58:51	[Franklin]	pamaury: G#1151 shouldn't be able to break anything...
20:58:55	[Franklin]	hehe shouldn't
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21:01:17	pamaury	[Franklin]: did you test it ?
21:01:39	[Franklin]	yes
21:01:45	[Franklin]	but let me test more
21:02:07	[Franklin]	seems to work
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21:03:11	pamaury	ok i'll push it
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21:14:08	pamaury	wodz: I'm finishing qeditor, the editor should complete by tonight
21:15:27	wodz	pamaury: I'll try to find some time to play with it.
21:15:32	[Saint]	Your Zen work rather impressed someone the other day who was happy to find you put new life into that fairly nice but forgotten bundle of circuitry.
21:15:50	[Saint]	Nice HW, terrible UI.
21:16:10	[Saint]	You also apparently marginally increased the ausio properties.
21:16:13	[Saint]	So, well done.
21:16:19	[Saint]	*audio
21:16:45	[Saint]	should be RMAA results up in the logs somewhere.
21:18:25	giogio	pamaury: I did test with your patch, still same problem
21:22:05	pamaury	giogio: you did apply what my comment says about replacing zen* with creativezen* right ?
21:22:09	giogio	although I still did not understand why the message "Erase dynamic playlist?" sometime appears, sometimes doesnt
21:22:24	giogio	yes
21:22:28	giogio	I did
21:23:52	[Saint]	Isn't there a setting for that?
21:24:02	[Saint]	To not wartn on erasing the dynamic playlist, I mean?
21:24:14	*	[Saint] checks
21:25:34	pamaury	giogio: ok my mistake, my patch is missing some code, wait a sec
21:26:24	pamaury	giogio: https://gist.github.com/pamaury/899657eb3a78d8b81775
21:27:25	[Saint]	giogio: Settings - General Settings - Playlists - Warn when erasing dynamic playlists - No
21:27:52	pamaury	please do try my patch before changing the setting ;)
21:28:06	[Saint]	(it, understandably, defaults on to warn you in case you're starting a new playlist that will nuke the dynamic playlist in case you want to save it first)
21:28:24	[Saint]	and, yes, listen to pamaury - I'm just making you aware it exists.
21:28:55	giogio	[Saint]: but I want to be warned, but I'm not always...
21:29:06	giogio	and I don't understand why
21:30:07	[Saint]	A misunderstanding between a fixed playlist and the dynamic playlist, perhaps? I just came in, I should probably read the backlog.
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21:33:59	giogio	what's intended as dynamic playlist? I want a dynamic playlist because I want to reproduce the message "erase dynamic playlist? play=yes other=no", since the problem is that the real key needed for yes is not 'play' but 'select', the center key
21:39:26	giogio	pamaury: I have some problem with the patch. I am a noob using patch. I have this error applying your patch, but don't know how to solve it. error is "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] ^C"
21:40:09	pamaury	giogio: make sure to undo the previous patch
21:41:04	giogio	ehm... how? ^^'
21:42:50	pamaury	git checkout apps/gui/yesno.c
21:42:57	pamaury	(fix the path if needed)
21:43:51	giogio	did with patch -R ;)
21:44:37	pamaury	hum ok, make sure the result looks like what is expected
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21:47:58	giogio	it does. Can I just make or I need to always make clean before?
21:48:53	[Franklin]	just make
21:49:07	[Franklin]	make caches old object files to speed up the build
21:49:14	[Franklin]	well... not really "cache"
21:49:27	[Franklin]	but it's smart enough to know what it needs to rebuilt
21:50:33	wodz	TheSeven: have you seen g#1148 ?
21:50:45	giogio	very good: in fact it just recompiled what I changed ;)
21:53:42	giogio	pamaury: it works now, messages are select=yes
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22:34:00	giogio	thanks everyone
22:34:05	giogio	bye
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