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#rockbox log for 2015-04-28

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22:30:25wodzpamaury: hey!
22:30:42pamaurywodz: hey, how are you ?
22:31:15wodzpamaury: I am ok, busy as usual.
22:32:29wodzpamaury: I found one reason why sd init failed on atj. It is quite interesting. SD spec says that after power up, card may consume up to 74 clock cycles *before* accepting any command.
22:32:52pamauryyes indeed
22:33:10pamaurywhich is a pain because many controllers don't really provide the necessary bits to ensure this
22:33:47pamauryI should have thought about it...
22:33:59drafti'm ripping a pile of CDs to Apple iPod.. which codec i should use for good quality + small size + long battery life?
22:34:06draftogg / acc?
22:34:07draftaac
22:34:11drafti meant
22:34:21wodzpamaury: Apparently one of my test cards needs this dummy clocks. No matter how long I wait after power up it ignores commands as unles sufficient clock cycles aren't provided.
22:34:28draftdoes iPod have somekind of decoder chip for some format(s)...?
22:34:49draftbecause decoding with CPU probably drains the battery more?
22:34:49wodzdraft: No decoding is pure software.
22:34:59draftno hardware decoding?
22:35:01draftok
22:35:28wodzdraft: If you use rockbox (which I assume you are) ogg is pretty good.
22:35:33draftshould i ogg or aac them? which one has better quality on smaller sizes?
22:35:34draftyes
22:35:36draftrockbox
22:35:45drafti just encoded some stuff with -v5
22:35:47pamaurywodz: interesting, I don't think I've encountered such a card ^^
22:35:56wodzogg decoder is much better optimized.
22:36:01draftok
22:36:15drafti thought iPod's have hardware chip for AAC decoding?
22:36:44draftso Rockbox doesn't use hardware decoders on the players? only software?
22:36:45wodzdraft: no. Even original firmware decodes purely in software.
22:37:07draftbut not on all players?
22:37:36gevaertsI think hardware decoding went out in 2003 or so, except on very cheap players
22:38:09draftok
22:38:54wodzgevaerts: depends how you define hardware decoding. Many cheap chinese socs have dsp core for this stuff. Not exactly hardware, not general processor either.
22:39:01drafti have all of the rips as FLAC. i used dbPoweramp Mass Converter to convert them to -q 5... it sounded pretty good.
22:39:35draftthe codec used was ogg vorbis (aoTuV SSE3)
22:39:54gevaertswodz: I'd count that as hardware. I mean, as far as I know even the mas chips in the old archoses can do other stuff if you give them different firmware
22:40:19gevaertsAnd if you go down that route you end up with no hardware decoding at all :)
22:40:23draftplain ogg vorbis was also a possibility. what's difference in aoTuV and normal ogg?
22:40:32draftSSE3 is instruction set for CPU i reckon
22:40:39CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 15 minutes and 40 seconds at the last flood
22:40:39*gevaerts got rid of HWCODEC! :)
22:41:19gevaertsdraft: same format, different encoder I guess
22:41:27gevaertsMaybe just SSE3, yes
22:41:37gevaertsIn which case it's merely faster
22:42:08wodzfaster *encoder* optimized for x86 sse3 simd instructions
22:43:09draftbut what's aoTuV is it better or worse?
22:43:25gevaertsSame thing, just fater to encode, probably
22:44:45draft"Additionally, on Windows and OS X, fre:ac uses the aoTuV Vorbis encoder which is optimized for quality especially at lower bitrates. It should produce slightly better quality audio files than the official Xiph.org Vorbis encoder."
22:45:20wodzWell, encoder may differ in psychoacustic model applied which influence the quality.
22:45:41gevaertsdraft: the main thing if you keep flac files is that if you make the wrong choice, just reencoding isn't really a big problem
22:46:13draftyes.. that's why i saved them.
22:46:32draftis there a good util to handle tags?
22:46:59draftlike Mp3tag is for MP3s?
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22:47:16draft... it seems to support .ogg too.
22:47:20draft:)
22:48:18draftall encoding of this stoner rock/doom metal and smoking got me a little dizzy :)
22:49:01draftshame my friend didn't save .log files for them... but they all ripped accurately.
22:49:18draftis it possible to generate log file from .flac files from freedb or sumthing?
22:50:07gevaertsYou mean to fill in tags?
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22:50:38gevaertsMany people like MusicBrainz Picard for that
22:51:22gevaertsThat one uses some sort of audio fingerprinting to identify tracks
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22:59:40draftit's for music preservation project.. they need .log from dbPoweramp i think. but it's not probably relevant on this channel. i'll ask them.
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