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#rockbox log for 2015-06-17

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03:45:15jtdesigns01would it be possible to implement a password lockout kind of thing?
03:46:49jtdesigns01like, basically, when you turn the DAP on, you are greeted with an "enter combination" screen, where you push a sequence of buttons to get into rockbox.
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05:07:39alexbobpjtdesigns01: possible, sure
05:07:51alexbobpwould it be secure? probably not very, on most daps
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05:10:51alexbobpyour best bet is cheap ones with on-board flash memory, and even then, depends what kind of restore options the hardware has
05:11:01alexbobpand either way it's only secure against casual attacks
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13:28:32Reiharjtdesigns01: alexbobp Aren't those things just to prevent people from playing with your devices while you turn your back to make a coffee?
13:30:16alexbobpI was assuming you at least want it to be secure against something someone could do over a usb cable in 30 seconds
13:30:20alexbobpmaybe using a laptop
13:30:35alexbobpon most devices, that includes reflashing the firmware
13:32:09ReiharMaybe then.
13:32:22ReiharWith physical attacks, it's always a matter of how long.
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13:42:58adnapI can't get a Unicode font to work on Rockbox for Android.
13:43:34adnapI tried 16-GNU-Unifont.fnt
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14:09:15adnap I think the issue might have been the FAT filesystem.
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14:20:27adnapIs there a larger Unicode font than 18-Fixed or a way to enlarge smaller fonts?
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17:11:21jtdesigns01alexbobp: Reihar: yeah, this isnt for real security. Its just more or less just to keep people from playing with it. i am not worried about actually losing private data or anything like that.
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17:13:08jtdesigns01would something like that be in the bootloader (i think not) or just really early in rockbox?
17:20:47jtdesigns01Thinking it would not be in the bootloader, what file is the main menu in? (basically, what file would I call the lockscreen function in?)
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17:21:17gevaertsapps/main.c
17:21:53gevaertsDepending on how easy you want it to be to bypass you might use an autostart plugin as well
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17:44:39jtdesigns01oh, haha, no wonder i couldnt find it. i was looking in firmware/
17:46:58jtdesigns01so basically, all the drivers and stuff is in firmware/ and all the actual "rockbox-as-the-users-know-it" is in apps/ ?
17:47:57gevaertsYes
17:48:20gevaertsWell, codecs live in lib/, these days
17:48:24gevaertsSo that's there too
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18:03:09jtdesigns01an autostart plugin... thats very tempting.... you said "Depending on how easy you want it to be to bypass". Would a plugin be easier to get past (besides deleting it obviously)?
18:04:10gevaertsHm, maybe not
18:04:41gevaertsDepends on what you do on USB plugin from that plugin, I think
18:05:21jtdesigns01BTW. i am not worrying about people gaining control over usb. This is just to stop people from picking it up and playing with it.
18:05:35gevaertsYou do need a custom build for both though, so it probably doesn't make much of a difference
18:05:58jtdesigns01Thats true.
18:06:11jtdesigns01What do you mean by "Depends on what you do on USB plugin from that plugin, I think"
18:06:16jtdesigns01*?
18:06:51gevaertsPlugins are supposed to exit on USB connect
18:07:17gevaertsBut I *think* you can just not do that
18:07:23jtdesigns01oh.
18:07:43gevaerts(unless you hold a button for charge-only)
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18:15:16gevaertsRight. If you don't exit and you don't respond with SYS_USB_CONNECTED_ACK somehow, you won't go to USB mode
18:16:16gevaertsNot necessarily in the cleanest way (you're not *supposed* to do that, the SYS_USB_CONNECTED/SYS_USB_CONNECTED_ACK handshake is designed to give things time to get ready for usb, not to block it), but it will work
18:16:24jtdesigns01oooh neat.
18:17:19gevaertsOr you make sure not to touch the disk and not to allow the user to exit the plugin until USB is disconnected again, and you allow USB anyway
18:17:37gevaertsThat way you block the UI but you don't annoy yourself every time you want to copy a file
18:18:28gevaertsbattery_bench basically does that, except it's a TSR plugin without a UI, but that's irrelevant for this particular bit
18:18:57gevaertsUnfortunately you can't wait for SYS_USB_CONNECTED and then say "OK, but no mass storage please!"
18:20:26gevaertsIf you change main.c, you'd just do your lock screen before USB is initialised, which would deal with things too :)
18:21:22gevaertsIf you do it after starting USB monitoring, you have to deal with it the same way you would in a plugin
18:23:36gevaertsThe way around all this will still be bootloader USB mode or booting the OF
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19:02:02jtdesigns01What IDE or editor do you guys use?
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19:26:46amayerjtdesigns01: Im sure there is a huge variety that people use. I dont believe we standardize on any one editor.
19:38:07bluebrotherjtdesigns01: anything you like. A lot of people use emacs or vim iirc.
19:39:13gevaertsOny one of those is a correct answer though!
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19:50:34jtdesigns01well, then, what is a good one that has a GUI and supports completion and highlighting?
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20:11:59Reiharemacs or gvim?
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20:15:06[Franklin]emacs here
20:15:42Reihar[Franklin]: That was a joke but hello fellow emacs user.
20:16:10Reihar[Franklin]: Someone was asking for an editor with a gui.
20:16:33Reiharjtdesigns01: Netbeans is an ok IDE.
20:17:13ReiharI don't remember if gvim's gui is good but emacs' is.
20:17:13[Franklin]I don't mind vim /too/ much
20:17:31[Franklin]haven't used gvim, just "classic" vim
20:17:43gevaertsMost IDEs have horrible editors
20:17:52Reihargevaerts: Yeah
20:18:04[Franklin]not to mention being crazily bloated
20:18:05ReiharI think you can invoke vim or use a vim mode in netbeans.
20:18:21Reihar[Franklin]: Yeah, there's that too.
20:19:04[Franklin]and hard to use from a tty
20:19:13[Franklin]s/hard/impossible/
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