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#rockbox log for 2015-06-24

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07:10:35LauraGHello, I'm deciding whether or not buying the new sansa clip jam, so my most important question is, does it support rockbox?
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14:05:49perfectdrug_hi:) quick question does any device support booting straight into rockbox especially when connected to usb for use in the car?
14:15:34pixelmaif I remember correctly the Archoses and Irivers do
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14:18:56perfectdrug_hey pixelma thats what I remember too, of course I still have an old h340 but I would like to have something smaller with flash memory
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19:47:20LauraG_Hello, do you guys know if I can install Rockbox on a sansa clip jam? (the new one)
19:47:48LauraG_I'm trying to figure out whether buying it or not
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19:52:29saratogaLauraG_: theres a list of supported devices on the front page
19:54:02LauraG_SanDisk: Sansa c200, e200 and e200R series, Fuze, Clip, Clip+ and Clip Zip
19:54:21LauraG_Yeah, I don't see it, but I was wondering if there was any active development or plans on supporting it.
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19:56:58gevaertsLauraG_: it very much looks like the jam doesn't have powerful enough hardware for rockbox
19:59:22LauraG_I see, I've had the clip+ for years and rockbox ran seamlessly, I'd expect a newer device would have better hardware.
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20:05:42gevaertsOne would think so, yes, but apparently hardware costs beat all other criteria when they designed the new stuff
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22:02:27JanCgevaerts: I doubt less powerful hardware is really cheaper these days :)
22:03:30JanCprices mostly depend on units sold really
22:03:54lebelliumI guess what they were looking for is better battery life with the same features. They achieved that
22:04:13JanCeven then
22:07:33lebelliumand as it seems that the firmware is not developed by sandisk itself, they probably bought a "full package" SoC + firmware. I don't know if they really had much choice
22:08:27lebelliumwhat is funny is that in settings>info I read the same copyright "2012 SanDisk. All rights reserved" as on my Clip Sport. They didn't even bother updating the copyright date. Ridiculous
22:08:34JanCyou always have a choice :)
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22:09:07lebellium2013*
22:12:01lebelliumthen why did they include shitty hardware? Just for making fun of customers? :)
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22:37:08saratogathe newer sandisk players have no DRAM, which saves money
22:37:33saratogacheaper packaging (fewer pins), more simple PCB, and no need to pay for the DRAM chip
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22:48:57wodzHonestly those people who look for DAP still are either joggers which care about size + battery life or hifi-voodoo-philes. The first group looks for cheap which means rebranded OEM reference design with cost cut to extreme, the second for 'quality' at respectful price. There is no middle now.
22:52:47saratogayeah
22:53:05saratogaplus to actually design a high end player with complex software is really expensive, so you need to sell a lot of units
22:53:32saratogatheres no market for millions of iRiver or Fuze type devices
22:53:52wodzsaid but true
22:56:13lebelliumis a Fuze or Fuze+ a high-end player with complex software?
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22:57:18wodzyes (by today standards)
22:57:27Reiharlebellium: They look more like an out of time middle ground
22:57:57wodzf+ hardware is decent, software is fu**** as usuall
22:58:18lebelliumSony still sell middle groud player and probably don't seel millions units
22:58:21lebelliumsell*
22:59:29wodzI guess they calculate it as 'promotion' for online music purchase
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23:00:50ReiharI feel like online music purchase didn't really happen.
23:01:20ReiharOnline streaming or CDs.
23:02:04ReiharI mean for "most people"
23:05:24ReiharDidn't happen is probably too strong, it's better to say that it was transitory
23:05:35lebelliumwodz: I just think they don't need to invest that much to keep a wide range of players. They all have the same feature and UI and maybe the fw simply share the same code?
23:06:01wodzlebellium: you mean sony?
23:06:03lebelliumyes
23:06:52wodzmaybe, but they still support like 3 different hw platforms IIRC
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23:52:45saratogaaren't a lot of the sony ones android?

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