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| 01:12:55 | duuuddddeeee | wht ALiEnZIP theme is not working on dev builds of RB on clip zip? |
| 01:14:56 | duuuddddeeee | *why |
| 01:15:45 | duuuddddeeee | it DOES work on 3.1.3 |
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| 01:18:57 | [Saint] | probably using some deprecated theme code. |
| 01:19:02 | [Saint] | not entirely unusual. |
| 01:19:17 | [Saint] | themes are user contributed, if the author doesn't maintain them... |
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| 01:27:23 | duuuddddeeee | I dont understand... can you explain me why its not working? *Saint |
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| 01:31:34 | [Saint] | I thought I did. I'm not entirely sure how to word it any better. |
| 01:31:47 | [Saint] | "theme is probably using old code that is pissing the vastly newer core off" |
| 01:34:25 | duuuddddeeee | so you say that newer rockbox versions arent just adding new options, but also removing old ones? but WHY??? |
| 01:35:46 | [Saint] | No, I'm not saying that at all. That's what you inferred. |
| 01:36:23 | [Saint] | A metric fucktonne of bugs have been fixed in this time period. If that theme relied on (ab)using any one of those, intentionally or accidentally...well...this. |
| 01:37:46 | duuuddddeeee | themes that are using bugs to work properly.... wait, WHAT??? |
| 01:39:16 | [Saint] | The most obvious case of this that I can think of is that out-of-bounds viewports are no longer allowed. If a theme tries to draw outside the framebuffer, it will fail. |
| 01:41:04 | duuuddddeeee | but if it tries to do so on the stable release what it does? |
| 01:41:20 | duuuddddeeee | i mean the theme is working |
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| 01:50:34 | gregfrankenstein | Is there a way to prevent the database from sorting all the The artists together? So The Beach Boys would be under B rather than T? I would consult the forum or the wiki, but I can't exactly do a search for "the" or "the artists". |
| 01:51:39 | [Saint] | There's a few ways you can do it. |
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| 01:51:57 | [Saint] | tagnavi_custom, and/or album/artist sort order metadata tags. |
| 01:51:59 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DataBase#tagnavi.config_v2.0_Syntax |
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| 01:53:42 | [Saint] | I used to do something along the lines of changing the sort order tags to "Beach Boys, The" |
| 01:53:54 | [Saint] | But then I just stopped caring because the database is annoying. |
| 01:54:31 | [Saint] | Very few of the "old hat" Rockbox crew of staff and volunteers actually use it. |
| 01:54:47 | gregfrankenstein | I'm trying to find whether metaflac even has a sort order tag. I know id3 does, but yeah. |
| 01:55:46 | gregfrankenstein | Oh neat it does. |
| 01:56:21 | [Saint] | If you'll note on the page linked there is a section with a tagnavi example that strips "The" from the display and sorting. |
| 01:57:37 | [Saint] | But this is highly broken way of handling it that only works for English. |
| 01:58:02 | [Saint] | Well...not highly broken, just, not particularly nice. |
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| 02:01:00 | [Saint] | You can just whip out the entire linked tagnavi_custom file from http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/DataBase/tagnavi_custom.config (example with the "The *" stripping), or use tidbits of it to build your own. |
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| 02:05:37 | sethmhur | I have a question am I able to install rockbox voice files on a ws 821 elimpis digital recorder? |
| 02:06:47 | [Saint] | No. |
| 02:07:07 | [Saint] | gregfrankenstein: did you get those links bud? |
| 02:07:14 | sethmhur | What about a eclips 82g? |
| 02:07:16 | [Saint] | Just wanna make sure you're not chasing ghosts |
| 02:07:35 | [Saint] | sethmhur: all our supported targets are listed on the main page. |
| 02:07:47 | [Saint] | sethmhur: if your device is not listed there...then, no. |
| 02:08:23 | gregfrankenstein | I did. It didn't do what I intended and when I tried writing a custom tagnavi config I clearly botched the syntax or created a conflict or something because the boot screen hung when I started it up. I'll probably just so with the sort order solution, but thank you. |
| 02:08:32 | sethmhur | Is there a possibility in the future that these devices will be supported? |
| 02:08:32 | gregfrankenstein | *go |
| 02:09:38 | [Saint] | sethmhur: it is highly unlikely unless you do it yourself. |
| 02:10:18 | sethmhur | Is there a way I can do it my self. I got this player and digital recorder with out any voice support and would like to add voice support to it? |
| 02:10:33 | sethmhur | The eclips I got for my birthday. |
| 02:10:56 | sethmhur | And the digital recorder I got from some blind thing. |
| 02:11:09 | sethmhur | And all I want to do is add voice support. |
| 02:12:23 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort |
| 02:12:32 | sethmhur | Okay thanks. |
| 02:12:35 | sethmhur | :) |
| 02:12:48 | [Saint] | Honestly, though, I wouldn't bother. |
| 02:12:56 | [Saint] | Just find a device that is supported. |
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| 02:13:17 | [Saint] | A new port is several hundred man hours work for a highly skilled developer. |
| 02:14:19 | [Saint] | Unless you're on some form of personal educational crusade, that is. |
| 02:14:28 | [Saint] | In which case the process is highly informative. |
| 02:14:36 | sethmhur | What version is best for a sandisk off of amazon. |
| 02:14:39 | sethmhur | ? |
| 02:15:27 | [Saint] | Depends what you like in a player. |
| 02:15:50 | [Saint] | Am I to assume you're visually impaired and that a nice screen is not a high priority? |
| 02:16:34 | [Saint] | Or did I misunderstand "some blind thing"? |
| 02:19:44 | sethmhur | Yes I can't see that is why I wanted to add voice support. |
| 02:19:45 | [Saint] | The Clip and Clip+ devices are reasonably popular and cheap enough to be disposable. |
| 02:19:51 | sethmhur | Okay |
| 02:19:54 | sethmhur | thanks. |
| 02:20:29 | [Saint] | they have tiny largely shitty screens (which won't bother you), but fairly decent tactile feedback. |
| 02:20:46 | [Saint] | you can feel where the home button is so you'll always know where the other are. |
| 02:21:08 | sethmhur | That is good so then I can add support for vvoice and I will be fine. |
| 02:21:13 | sethmhur | voice |
| 02:21:22 | [Saint] | Indeed so. |
| 02:22:16 | [Saint] | The Clip Zip is a similar player, but it has a larger colour screen which won't be of any immediate added value to you. |
| 02:22:32 | sethmhur | I would convert movies to audio for long bus rides then I would listen to a movie on sunday and on Friday. The player I got had book marking but I wasn't able to use it so that is why I went with sandisk. |
| 02:23:58 | [Saint] | the best part of them IMO is the expandable storage. |
| 02:24:32 | [Saint] | the limited internal storage doesn't really matter when you can drop a 128GB micro sd in it for $50 or so |
| 02:24:44 | sethmhur | I always wonderd why someone haden't made a tarabit MP3 player. |
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| 02:25:57 | [Saint] | mainly because it isn't really practical. That's an entire lifetime's worth of audio, even at a high fixed sample rate. |
| 02:26:12 | sethmhur | That would be so cool thowe. |
| 02:26:16 | sethmhur | dang spelling |
| 02:26:57 | [Saint] | You could fill it up and put it on random and never hit the end of the playlist in your entire waking life. |
| 02:27:24 | [Saint] | that, and, most people don't have anywhere enar that much audio. |
| 02:27:26 | [Saint] | *near |
| 02:27:30 | sethmhur | grate for people in factorys. |
| 02:27:34 | [Saint] | I do - but I'm demonstrably insane. |
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| 02:28:09 | sethmhur | I'm sure some radio stations have tarabites of audio. |
| 02:30:48 | * | flyback wishes the m240 or the fuze+ had usuable ports |
| 02:31:03 | flyback | love to upgrade the units I got my folks for bdat's yrs ago |
| 02:31:53 | [Saint] | The Fuze+ _does_ have a _highly_ usable port. |
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| 02:33:05 | [Saint] | As should the m2** players but I can't speak for them. |
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| 02:34:17 | [Saint] | flyback: if you're using the release - don't. |
| 02:35:05 | flyback | I wouldn't inflict that on my folks |
| 02:35:08 | flyback | the m240 if I was using it mabye |
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| 02:35:14 | flyback | but the stock fuze thing is so lame |
| 02:35:22 | flyback | PLUS |
| 02:35:27 | flyback | IT'S NOT A REAL MUSIC PLAYER |
| 02:35:37 | flyback | IF IT CAN'T DO .MOD .XM. S3M .IT |
| 02:35:43 | [Saint] | Inflict what? You seem confused. The development builds are _infinitely_ more stable than the release. |
| 02:35:54 | flyback | <[Saint]> flyback: if you're using the release - don't. |
| 02:35:59 | [Saint] | see above |
| 02:36:10 | flyback | ok I thought you were saying it's still risky sorry |
| 02:36:24 | [Saint] | It never has been risky. |
| 02:37:06 | [Saint] | I'm just saying that if you're using the ~2 year old release - don't. Because we've come a long way since then. |
| 02:37:20 | flyback | cool :) |
| 02:37:48 | flyback | still like to take another crack at fixing one of these damaged c100 units eventually :) |
| 02:38:40 | [Saint] | Yeah, that was a cool little player. |
| 02:38:50 | flyback | I got a bunch with the self brick bug |
| 02:39:02 | flyback | I suspect it's either bootloader or ftl corruption |
| 02:39:14 | flyback | I used one for a long time I would just tcc the firmware into ram |
| 02:39:23 | flyback | as long as the battery didn't run it it kept running |
| 02:40:42 | flyback | run out i MEAN |
| 02:41:12 | flyback | Oooo |
| 02:41:24 | flyback | free tip for you guys dealing with used hw, stuff that been around the block etc |
| 02:41:46 | flyback | http://crcindustries.com/ei/product_detail.aspx?id=05103&S=Y |
| 02:41:48 | flyback | this is the shit |
| 02:42:00 | flyback | I use it on my IT job all the time and bought some for co workers |
| 02:42:09 | flyback | just don't smoke around it :) |
| 02:42:30 | flyback | great for getting a wad of crud off a solder pad before attaching wires etc |
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| 02:43:25 | flyback | i'd avoid spraying the screen but I have tested on a bunch of plastics etc that isopropyl alchol fouls up, no damage |
| 02:43:35 | flyback | good shit :) |
| 02:43:38 | saratoga | the m200v4 basically works fine, just it turns off if you have the volume too high i think? |
| 02:43:48 | saratoga | probably some voltage regulator set wrong |
| 02:44:08 | flyback | and don't huff it :) |
| 02:44:15 | [Saint] | that's at <0db too which..well...why? |
| 02:44:17 | saratoga | they're hard to find |
| 02:44:20 | [Saint] | so, yeah, not a biggie. |
| 02:44:38 | [Saint] | and, yeah - they are. |
| 02:44:47 | flyback | thx for the info :) |
| 02:45:24 | [Saint] | current git head has had a volume limiter in it for an age now so it's easy to avoid if it is still a thing. |
| 02:45:40 | [Saint] | I definitely remember it, but I'd have to go hunting for a while to find mine and test. |
| 02:45:41 | saratoga | i tried to find one a couple years ago so that i could try fixing it |
| 02:45:44 | saratoga | but no luck |
| 02:46:17 | [Saint] | Hmmm...looking at it now, I wonder why we don't set a default volume limit at 0dB? |
| 02:46:32 | [Saint] | Does anyone ever actually _want_ to exceed line level deliberately? |
| 02:46:45 | saratoga | it can be useful if you have quietly mastered music or use replaygain |
| 02:47:01 | [Saint] | that's the domain of the preamp. |
| 02:47:07 | saratoga | preamp is digital though |
| 02:47:12 | [Saint] | granted. |
| 02:47:24 | saratoga | clipping is probably more tolerable in analog |
| 02:47:29 | saratoga | but yeah its not super useful |
| 02:47:38 | [Saint] | still, I guess what I'm asking is - is this a minority or a majority feature? |
| 02:47:55 | saratoga | pretty minority, but i don't see much harm |
| 02:48:06 | [Saint] | I'm /guessing/ most people don't even know why <0dB is "A Bad Thing" in most circumstances. |
| 02:48:07 | saratoga | people generally expect stuff to distort if they crank it up earsplittingly loud |
| 02:49:02 | [Saint] | I wonder if technically we could get fucked over for not adhering to EU volume limit regulations. |
| 02:49:14 | flyback | sadly who knows :( |
| 02:49:15 | [Saint] | I posit so? |
| 02:49:41 | flyback | like the EPA fining a ice cream company $50,000 for over-reporting how much fruit waste they discharged into the waterf |
| 02:50:00 | flyback | some people exist just to jump at a chance |
| 02:50:26 | flyback | not under, OVER |
| 02:51:13 | [Saint] | If anyone did try and lawyer up about volume limiting it'd be a pretty fun conversation "Hey, could you not do that?"; "No."; "K." |
| 02:52:15 | gregfrankenstein | How long are these dev builds generally updated, anyhow? |
| 02:52:21 | gregfrankenstein | Er, how frequently? |
| 02:52:32 | [Saint] | Whenever there's a commit to the source. |
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| 02:53:26 | saratoga | we don't sell anything, so i don't think the EU cares about us |
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| 02:59:56 | flyback | [Saint] hahah |
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| 03:00:13 | flyback | well I hope my tip was useful to you guys since you gave me useful info |
| 03:02:47 | flyback | works good on switches :P |
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| 09:35:19 | pixelma | [Saint]: last I remember Rockbox does not support the sorting tags in the database, so I'm a bit confused about your statements earlier |
| 09:36:38 | [Saint] | Hmmmm. I was running off memory, so it's highly possible and quite likely I screwed up - there was some process I automated to do this in Rockbox easily. I just need to find it. |
| 09:36:55 | [Saint] | Oh. That was easy. |
| 09:37:12 | [Saint] | Looks like I was exporting sortorder tags to the comment field. |
| 09:38:54 | pixelma | guess that's something the original poster should know then... |
| 09:39:56 | pixelma | In case he'll be around another time |
| 09:41:10 | [Saint] | I was fairly sure I pushed him/her onto the "right" way to do this (tagnavi_custom), but s/he didn't respond...so, yeah, granted. |
| 09:41:35 | [Saint] | I used to do it this way when I used the database because it would "just work" without having to export a custom tagnavi file. |
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| 16:58:21 | brotherlybro | Guys, I installed Rockbox on Sansa Clip+ and my folder structure looks like this: RECORD, ##PORT#, PODCASTS, ##MUSIC, MUSIC, AUDIOBOOKS, AUDIBLE, UPGRADE.FIN, SYSCONF.SYS, MTABLE.SYS, DID.bin. What can I remove? I won't ever run the OF again... This seeems like it's too much |
| 16:58:44 | brotherlybro | Oh, forgot to mention the .rockbox folder |
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| 17:00:29 | gevaerts | Everything except .rockbox |
| 17:00:55 | gevaerts | The OF will recreate most of those if you boot it though |
| 17:02:55 | brotherlybro | gevaerts: Okay. Thanks, bro |
| 17:03:06 | brotherlybro | Oh, a couple more questions |
| 17:03:27 | brotherlybro | I want to compile the Swedish Chef lang file under *NIX |
| 17:03:41 | brotherlybro | Where do I find the genlang utility? |
| 17:03:42 | | Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-86-49-15-121.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 17:04:58 | [Saint] | I highly suspect you'll apply it once and then get pissed off about not remembering the menu structure and how to apply the original locale without resetting your config. |
| 17:05:06 | [Saint] | It really is very highly silly. |
| 17:05:38 | brotherlybro | Why do you take me for an idiot? ;_; |
| 17:05:54 | brotherlybro | I want to really get to know the project |
| 17:06:13 | brotherlybro | Because it seems interesting. I am new to MP3 players and Rockbox, but want to leran |
| 17:06:15 | brotherlybro | learn |
| 17:06:19 | [Saint] | Why do you infer such a thing? Do you know the menu layout like the back of your hand and can navigate it blind? |
| 17:06:31 | [Saint] | 'cos...if you don't... |
| 17:06:37 | brotherlybro | I can write it down :P |
| 17:06:42 | brotherlybro | ???? PROFIT |
| 17:06:43 | brotherlybro | lol |
| 17:07:45 | [Saint] | anyhoo - rockbox/master/tools/genlang in our source tree |
| 17:07:58 | brotherlybro | Okay. Many thanks to you |
| 17:08:18 | [Saint] | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 17:08:31 | brotherlybro | Hmm, one more question. I did find some *.zip file in the lang folder. What is it for? :P |
| 17:08:43 | brotherlybro | And how do I make the voice menus work? |
| 17:09:37 | [Saint] | If there's an archive in the lang folder (on device or in the source), you put it there. |
| 17:09:41 | [Saint] | Ask yourself. |
| 17:09:56 | brotherlybro | I mean, why is it even compressed? :P |
| 17:10:13 | [Saint] | Ask yourself. I have no idea what it is. You must have put it there. |
| 17:10:23 | [Saint] | It does not exist in our builds or source. |
| 17:10:27 | brotherlybro | I see |
| 17:11:53 | brotherlybro | [Saint]: Please, download this and take a look: http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-sansaclipplus.zip |
| 17:12:28 | brotherlybro | It is in ./rockbox/langs/voicestrings.zip |
| 17:12:35 | [Saint] | Hmmm...what the shit? |
| 17:12:39 | [Saint] | My apologies. |
| 17:12:57 | brotherlybro | [Saint]: I am glad that I was of some use to you :P |
| 17:13:25 | brotherlybro | It's okay. I really fucking love this project, so I want to really got to know it... So I can help you out a bit :P |
| 17:13:50 | brotherlybro | So, what is this fucking archive anyway? |
| 17:14:54 | [Saint] | errr - sec. trying to figure out how and where my tree diverges here as none of my builds include this. |
| 17:15:09 | brotherlybro | I see. I will wait, bro. Take your time. |
| 17:15:13 | [Saint] | I just made an ass out of myself. :-S |
| 17:15:32 | brotherlybro | [Saint]: I won't tell anyone, promise :P |
| 17:15:33 | [Saint] | (not an uncommon occurrence) |
| 17:15:54 | brotherlybro | Let's just be friends and answer my questions regarding Rockbox later, k? |
| 17:15:58 | brotherlybro | :P |
| 17:22:14 | [Saint] | Hahahahaha - that's really quite an effort, apparently I either broke this accidentally or deliberately the better part of three years ago. |
| 17:22:48 | brotherlybro | What seems to be broken? |
| 17:22:55 | [Saint] | seems it's for RbUtil voice file generation - but I really have no idea why it is implemented this way and doesn't just parse the strings direct from the lang file. |
| 17:23:24 | brotherlybro | Oh, I see. Bother to fix it? |
| 17:23:59 | [Saint] | Ah - when I say broken, I mean in my local tree - it's working as intended on your end. |
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| 17:24:22 | [Saint] | so for the better part of three years I had no idea voicestrings.zip was a thing. |
| 17:24:48 | brotherlybro | I see. So we would need to have a parser, so it doesn't look that dumb, right? |
| 17:25:03 | brotherlybro | And change the RbUtil :P |
| 17:26:50 | [Saint] | Unless I'm mistaken in what I see here rbutil should still support voice generation if this file is missing. |
| 17:27:23 | brotherlybro | Hmm, okay. So, you mean the voice file for the voice menus? |
| 17:27:50 | [Saint] | I do. |
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| 17:29:04 | [Saint] | I suspect it's time to cherrypick the commits I want and ditch this tree of mine. This is the second longterm breakage I've created in my tree without realizing it in as many weeks. |
| 17:30:01 | [Saint] | I have touched almost every corner of the source so at a glance it is really hard to see what was intentional and what happened by accident. |
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| 17:30:10 | brotherlybro | I see. |
| 17:30:43 | [Saint] | I suspect if I went looking I'd find more. |
| 17:31:10 | brotherlybro | Hmm, one question. I want to make the voice menus work. The manual says that I use this: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/voices/sansaclipplus-20150719-english.zip. How do I make it work? Does it function as a plugin? |
| 17:31:34 | brotherlybro | Sorry for the badly-edited message |
| 17:31:56 | [Saint] | just extract it to the root of the device. |
| 17:32:14 | brotherlybro | I see. Do I need to turn on some options later on? |
| 17:32:18 | [Saint] | voiced menus are enabled by default, so as soon as that happens it'll magically work. |
| 17:32:35 | [Saint] | unless you disabled them, they should be active already. |
| 17:32:40 | brotherlybro | Oh, cool. Gonna try it and see if it works, so we can find more bugs lol |
| 17:32:49 | brotherlybro | I really love the project |
| 17:32:55 | [Saint] | otherwise blind people would need to hunt through menus they can't see to enable it. |
| 17:33:07 | [Saint] | which - well...you get it. |
| 17:33:57 | brotherlybro | Hmm, one more question I have: Unicode |
| 17:34:17 | brotherlybro | I used an Unicode font and theme, but the file manager still messes up the characters |
| 17:34:35 | brotherlybro | Same with the "Load FM preset" menu |
| 17:34:53 | brotherlybro | I tried both Release and Dev Build |
| 17:34:55 | [Saint] | wrong page code probably. |
| 17:35:25 | brotherlybro | I see. Well, gonna try to fix it. If I find some bugs, I gonna report back :P |
| 17:35:44 | [Saint] | just set the page code in the language menu to utf-8 |
| 17:35:56 | [Saint] | it's ISO-8859-1 by default iirc. |
| 17:36:32 | brotherlybro | It didn't work in the Dev Bulid. Hmm, maybe I can edit the *.cfg file by hand. I also don't know where to find this codepage option in the Release |
| 17:37:43 | [Saint] | settings - general settings - display - default codepage |
| 17:37:50 | [Saint] | our manual is awesome, btw. |
| 17:38:09 | [Saint] | it is indeed Latin ISO-8859-1 by default. |
| 17:38:15 | [Saint] | set it to utf-8 |
| 17:38:58 | brotherlybro | Alright. Thanks for everything. |
| 17:40:11 | [Saint] | see also http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UnicodeGuide#Character_Encoding for more info |
| 17:43:03 | brotherlybro | lol bro, add Emacs to the "Text editors supporting Unicode" |
| 17:44:22 | brotherlybro | Or do you consider it to be an OS? :P |
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| 17:47:59 | brotherlybro | [Saint]: The FM presets are messed up hard (some of the links don't work - see India) and the archives are OUTDATED: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/FmPresetsEurope |
| 17:48:25 | brotherlybro | Would be nice to wget this shit and make a new *.zip |
| 17:48:34 | [Saint] | wiki is wiki |
| 17:48:55 | brotherlybro | Do you know any more sites where I can find the presets at? |
| 17:49:00 | [Saint] | it's only as complete and up-to-date as $some_guy decides to make it. |
| 17:49:19 | [Saint] | in many instances it's outright wrong. |
| 17:49:25 | [Saint] | 'cos, wiki |
| 17:49:42 | brotherlybro | I see. Any *.fmr sources suggestions? |
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| 17:52:49 | flughafen__ | hi |
| 17:53:12 | flughafen__ | is there a guide for what the icons mean? i have a sansa clip +, and there is a weird icon in the upper right and it'll make ac ouple of pop sounds and then shut off |
| 17:54:01 | brotherlybro | Oh, lol, I had the same. [Saint] ? |
| 17:54:39 | [Saint] | flughafen__: probably disk access |
| 17:55:02 | [Saint] | looks approximately like a weird hour glass kinda shape? |
| 17:55:19 | brotherlybro | I had a thunder-like icon :P |
| 17:55:46 | brotherlybro | And the battery was charged |
| 17:56:02 | brotherlybro | Discharging indicator? |
| 17:56:05 | [Saint] | yeah - a circle thing with a couple of triangle-lookin' dealies inside it. |
| 17:56:12 | [Saint] | disk access |
| 17:56:22 | brotherlybro | Oh |
| 17:57:14 | flughafen__ | it's not that, juust a second |
| 17:57:32 | flughafen__ | a arrow with a squiggl thingie in a weird box shape. |
| 17:57:36 | flughafen__ | i should probably just take a photo |
| 17:58:08 | [Saint] | is it connected to a power source currently? |
| 17:58:21 | [Saint] | sounds like your describing battery under charge. |
| 17:58:25 | [Saint] | but - lets see. |
| 17:58:47 | flughafen__ | [Saint]: the battery under charge is i nthe upper left |
| 17:59:01 | flughafen__ | i see the icon with and without being charged |
| 17:59:57 | [Saint] | to the immediate right of the clock you mean? |
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| 18:00:03 | [Saint] | in the default status bar? |
| 18:00:15 | [Saint] | if so - disk access |
| 18:01:08 | [Saint] | unless you're using some theme that uses its own .sbs, in which case all bets are off. |
| 18:01:36 | flughafen__ | [Saint]: but why would it make a couple of pops and turn off right away when I'm playing music? |
| 18:01:54 | [Saint] | because it fills the buffer and then stops. |
| 18:02:10 | [Saint] | playing audio != "constant disk access" |
| 18:02:29 | flughafen__ | [Saint]: the music jsut doesn't stop, the whole device turns off |
| 18:02:47 | [Saint] | Odd. |
| 18:03:22 | [Saint] | If it's to the immediate right of the clock and it's the default status bar it _must_ be disk access - I'm about 99% confident of this |
| 18:03:29 | flughafen__ | [Saint]: and brotherlybro http://i.imgur.com/dQOzjIz.jpg |
| 18:03:44 | flughafen__ | ok, [Saint] it turns off even when i'm not playing music |
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| 18:04:02 | [Saint] | yep, disk access. |
| 18:04:14 | [Saint] | (from sd apparently) |
| 18:04:55 | flughafen__ | [Saint]: i thought mabe it oculd be from sd, but i took the sd card out and it still happens |
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| 18:05:46 | neo3000 | Hi, my sansa clip zip hangs on the rockbox boot loader ... OF does hang after the initial animation. I now realized that by holding the select button while connecting to USB, I have USB access to the player. However the partition table seems to be corrupt. Does anyone have some advice on what to do? Should I repartition the player? |
| 18:05:50 | [Saint] | To be perfectly honest I hadn't even noticed we had a separate icon for sd/internal until now. But, yeah, that's definitely a disk access icon. |
| 18:06:49 | flughafen__ | but it doesn't make sense for it to turn off... there is probably a problem with the main memor? |
| 18:07:22 | [Saint] | if there were I would expect rockbox not to load at all. |
| 18:07:30 | [Saint] | as it is certainly managing to boot. |
| 18:07:50 | [Saint] | which implies the internal storage is at least partially intact. |
| 18:07:55 | flughafen__ | yeah |
| 18:08:11 | flughafen__ | but if i'm not playing the music, just cycling through the menu options and it just turns off |
| 18:09:14 | flughafen__ | or if i do ntohing it powers off too |
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| 18:14:03 | neo3000 | linux fdisk of the device returns 3933 MB, which seems right, but it returns 4 weird partitions (2x Netware, 3x Unknown type). |
| 18:15:23 | natanelho | problem- I run ubuntu from a flash drive(trial) and when I connect my clip zip I cant access its files. it shows me that its docked, but when I click it, it shows me an empty window. what should I do? |
| 18:15:25 | neo3000 | I am wondering, if I should just create one new clean fat32 partition and put a .rockbox onto it ... but I am unsure ... Any ideas? |
| 18:16:30 | neo3000 | Does someone have the partition structure of a working rockboxed clip zip at hand? |
| 18:17:42 | brotherlybro | neo3000: AFAIK you can just leave the .rockbox folder and it will work if you have a bootloader :P |
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| 18:19:25 | neo3000 | brotherlybro: currently I cannot access the player at all as the partition table seems to be corrupt. So you would recommend to repartition it with one fat32 partition and put a .rockbox onto that? |
| 18:19:35 | brotherlybro | Yeah |
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| 18:19:48 | brotherlybro | Try it and report back, k? |
| 18:20:07 | neo3000 | brotherlybro: does that have any effects on the OF or is that completely in flash? |
| 18:20:29 | neo3000 | flash - meaning somewhere else |
| 18:20:38 | natanelho_ | what player do ya have? |
| 18:20:52 | neo3000 | sansa clip zip |
| 18:20:58 | natanelho_ | lol like me |
| 18:21:08 | natanelho_ | whats da problem? |
| 18:21:16 | neo3000 | stuck at boot loader ... |
| 18:21:17 | [Saint] | the OF exists on its own section of the nand. |
| 18:21:30 | neo3000 | ok so I cannot destroy it by repartitioning ... |
| 18:21:36 | [Saint] | wiping all partitions off the NAND with a non-booting OF is a Bad Idea(TM). |
| 18:22:08 | neo3000 | hmm ... |
| 18:22:23 | neo3000 | so what's the Good Idea? :-) |
| 18:22:38 | natanelho_ | what about installing latest firmware then re-install rockbox? allways works for my ZIP when it stucks |
| 18:22:54 | neo3000 | I cannot do that as the partition is damaged |
| 18:22:58 | neo3000 | it is not recognized ... |
| 18:23:14 | brotherlybro | Use some DECENT partitioning software to repair it |
| 18:23:36 | neo3000 | linux fdisk does not recognize any existing partitions |
| 18:23:54 | neo3000 | well it recognizes 4 partitions but no fat32 |
| 18:24:05 | natanelho_ | i think i saw somewhere a command for osx and linux to format badpartition... |
| 18:24:15 | neo3000 | This doesn't look like a partition table Probably you selected the wrong device. Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 ? 778135908 1919645538 570754815+ 72 Unknown /dev/sdb2 ? 168689522 2104717761 968014120 65 Novell Netware 386 /dev/sdb3 ? 1869881465 3805909656 968014096 79 Unknown /dev/sdb4 ? 2885681152 2885736650 27749+ d Unknown |
| 18:24:40 | natanelho_ | what? |
| 18:24:48 | neo3000 | I could also create a new fat32 filesystem on any of these partitions |
| 18:24:58 | brotherlybro | [Saint]: I report no UTF-8 option in the codepage menu on Rockbox 3.13 Sansa Clip Plus :P |
| 18:25:34 | natanelho_ | neo3000: try to do it on the first partition |
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| 18:27:51 | [Saint] | brotherlybro: as far as I am aware it should be there - but, what with you using a build that is 2 years old and all... |
| 18:28:02 | [Saint] | please, guys, don't use the releases. |
| 18:28:14 | [Saint] | I know it isn't obvious and seems counterintuitive, but, don't. |
| 18:28:47 | brotherlybro | [Saint]: Okay |
| 18:29:39 | natanelho_ | lol |
| 18:30:09 | neo3000 | cfdisk reports "Partition begins after end-of-disk" and exits |
| 18:30:18 | natanelho_ | why does it called "stable release"? |
| 18:30:38 | flughafen__ | whats the lastest release? it's been forever since i've updated and have 3.12 |
| 18:30:49 | brotherlybro | lol |
| 18:30:49 | natanelho_ | 3.1.3 |
| 18:30:55 | natanelho_ | lol |
| 18:31:18 | natanelho_ | nothing changed.... no, realy! I mean it! |
| 18:32:15 | flughafen__ | natanelho_: 3.13 or 3.1.3? |
| 18:32:28 | natanelho_ | the first one |
| 18:32:32 | brotherlybro | 3.13 is the latest RELEASE |
| 18:32:40 | natanelho_ | http://www.rockbox.org/download/ |
| 18:32:42 | brotherlybro | And we were talking about DEV BULIDS |
| 18:32:45 | natanelho_ | look here |
| 18:32:46 | flughafen__ | brotherlybro: ok |
| 18:34:29 | natanelho_ | why the programming environment isnt written for windows? |
| 18:35:08 | natanelho_ | WHY?!?!? i had to install dual boot since my pc is very slow and it cant run VM |
| 18:35:18 | [Saint] | because Windows based development is a hugely convoluted pain in the arsehole. |
| 18:35:39 | * | flughafen__ loves me some linux! |
| 18:35:43 | [Saint] | sane developers prefer getting things done. |
| 18:35:56 | [Saint] | as opposed to battling a terrible OS. |
| 18:36:24 | [Saint] | By all means - try and use CygWin, but shit _will_ break. |
| 18:36:37 | [Saint] | it'll also be slow as almighty Hell. |
| 18:36:40 | brotherlybro | [Saint]: Installed the latest dev bulid for Sansa Clip Plus: UTF-8 works fine for the player itself, but it still malfunctions for the file manager |
| 18:37:26 | [Saint] | is this perhaps some random missmatch of randomly acquired files off teh infowebz? |
| 18:37:31 | natanelho_ | lol [Saint] why are U telling me that now?!?!?!? I already installed UBUNTU! |
| 18:37:42 | [Saint] | if so the encoding for any given file could be anything. |
| 18:38:16 | [Saint] | natanelho_: tell you what? Try and do something foolish...? Errr...Ok, go do it, I guess. |
| 18:38:41 | [Saint] | Compilation will take forever, and it'll almost certainly fail. Enjoy. |
| 18:39:00 | brotherlybro | [Saint]: They display just fine under Linux :P |
| 18:39:14 | brotherlybro | It's just Asian and Eastern European characters |
| 18:39:29 | [Saint] | are you certain you're using a unicode font? |
| 18:39:53 | [Saint] | If you're not using GNU Unicode, I can't vouch for the glyph coverage at all. |
| 18:40:00 | [Saint] | *GNU Unifont, rather |
| 18:41:31 | brotherlybro | Gonna take a look at that. Thought that the default font is Unicode-friendly already :P |
| 18:41:48 | [Saint] | It most certainly is not. |
| 18:42:24 | [Saint] | it need only have support for latin characters, as en-uk is the default. |
| 18:42:31 | natanelho_ | is OSX based on LINUX/UNIX? |
| 18:42:40 | brotherlybro | UK? You British? :P |
| 18:43:34 | [Saint] | When you said you had a unicode font, I thought you weren't just guessing. Striking a balance between trusting people and doubting people who may or may not be mistaken is hard. |
| 18:43:44 | [Saint] | And my communication skills suck. |
| 18:44:14 | Persits | osX is unix based |
| 18:44:21 | [Saint] | Also - No. |
| 18:44:27 | brotherlybro | [Saint]: It's alright. I was just trying to look around. I got the font pack installed. |
| 18:44:28 | [Saint] | But En-US is an abomination. |
| 18:44:34 | brotherlybro | I see |
| 18:44:46 | [Saint] | color....pffffft! |
| 18:44:52 | [Saint] | u's muthafukkas! |
| 18:44:52 | neo3000 | [Saint]: Any more ideas on what to do (or not to do) to fix the internal partition table of my Clip Zip? |
| 18:45:50 | [Saint] | neo3000: I don't have sufficient knowledge about their partition layout to suggest anything I'm afraid. |
| 18:45:56 | brotherlybro | neo3000: Don't panic and try to repair the partition with something like chkdisk :P |
| 18:46:13 | [Saint] | just that nuking the NAND from orbit is almost certainly a Very Bad Thing. |
| 18:47:13 | brotherlybro | Well, it should not nuke it :P |
| 18:47:19 | natanelho_ | lol |
| 18:47:24 | brotherlybro | It's just bitwise operations, right? |
| 18:47:28 | brotherlybro | :P |
| 18:47:56 | brotherlybro | jk, but seriously... Repair the partition |
| 18:48:03 | natanelho_ | how to get desktop icon on this thing on the left side of ubuntu? |
| 18:48:55 | neo3000 | brotherlybro: I have 4 partitions partly behind last cylinder. Testdisk does not find useable partition structure ... so I do not know of any tool that could help. |
| 18:50:07 | natanelho_ | neo3000 remove Ur flash card b4 connecting to pc then try again |
| 18:50:24 | neo3000 | natanelho_: I did that ... |
| 18:51:22 | neo3000 | The only thing that would be possible is to create a new partition table with one fat32 partition and format that ... but i am unsure if that makes things worse ... |
| 18:51:45 | natanelho_ | lol worse then now? |
| 18:52:42 | neo3000 | natanelho_: well ... I fear that when I unsuccessfully did that, someone steps up here and says "ha, by doing that you destroyed your only chance to fix it" ... but in the end you are probably right |
| 18:53:40 | natanelho_ | how did ya get in that situation? |
| 18:54:16 | neo3000 | [Saint]: Do you know if the bootloaders USB mode just gives you pure access to the NAND? |
| 18:54:39 | neo3000 | natanelho_: no idea ... just did not boot anymore ... |
| 18:54:47 | neo3000 | could also be that the flash is damaged |
| 18:55:17 | natanelho_ | but what was the last successfull(or un-) thing you have ddone to it? |
| 18:55:24 | [Saint] | as far as I'm aware, no, it'll require a filesystem - but if you nuke all the partitions, I doubt you'll _have_ bootloader USB. |
| 18:55:31 | natanelho_ | it didnt just happend... |
| 18:55:38 | Persits | just place the device on one brick and give strong kick with the second one :)) |
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| 18:57:41 | neo3000 | [Saint]: That's what I fear ... |
| 18:58:35 | natanelho_ | man serusly search the net about how to unlock clip plus from federal prison usa |
| 18:58:41 | natanelho_ | realy |
| 18:59:23 | natanelho_ | they just toook the clip+ andinstalled some OF that doesnt support USB |
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| 19:00:04 | natanelho_ | somebody explains about how to wtite some data directly to its memory guess itll help ya |
| 19:01:05 | natanelho_ | now [Saint]: how to attach desktop icon to the damn thing on the left side of the ubuntu????? |
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| 19:01:46 | natanelho_ | some1? |
| 19:02:47 | natanelho_ | nvm found out |
| 19:04:36 | [Saint] | pick up icon, drag it there, drop it, done. |
| 19:04:44 | [Saint] | but this is in no way generic Ubuntu support. |
| 19:04:58 | [Saint] | (gotta draw a line somewhere) |
| 19:05:30 | natanelho_ | i meant the icon that shows desktop when clicked on |
| 19:06:25 | [Saint] | ah - well, either way. |
| 19:07:21 | natanelho_ | right click on desktop-> change BG-> behaviour-> add desktop icon |
| 19:07:45 | natanelho_ | neo3000: check this out |
| 19:07:47 | natanelho_ | http://www.wikihow.com/Unlock-a-Federal-Prison-Sansa-MP3-Player |
| 19:08:46 | natanelho_ | he was stacked in similar situation as ya- the usb isnt mounting |
| 19:09:44 | brotherlybro | [Saint]: I report weird characters on the Unifont and UTF-8 codepage in the file manager :P |
| 19:09:48 | [Saint] | very different situation. |
| 19:09:59 | [Saint] | those players won't mount USB _by default_ |
| 19:10:03 | natanelho_ | why diffrent saint? |
| 19:10:07 | [Saint] | see above |
| 19:10:15 | natanelho_ | so...? |
| 19:10:27 | natanelho_ | both of them arent formatted |
| 19:10:45 | [Saint] | they're deliberately locked down by US corrections. They do indeed have a valid parition table. |
| 19:11:00 | [Saint] | they just don't present as removable storage. |
| 19:11:24 | natanelho_ | can ya explain me dummy? |
| 19:11:37 | natanelho_ | *im dummy |
| 19:11:45 | [Saint] | "US Prison make USB no worky-worky. Player otherwise fine" |
| 19:12:13 | brotherlybro | [Saint]: What do I do with the UTF-8 problem? |
| 19:12:29 | natanelho_ | change the FONT!!! |
| 19:13:10 | neo3000 | natanelho_: That is a comparable situation ... I will try that ... |
| 19:13:13 | [Saint] | If it isn't GNU Unifont, the glyph coverage is shit - as mentioned above. |
| 19:14:28 | brotherlybro | It is the GNU Unifont called Unifont from the package listed on wiki |
| 19:16:14 | [Saint] | neo3000: that is a bastardized version of our (highly inadvisable) AMS unbrick wiki page with several inaccuracies. |
| 19:16:19 | [Saint] | IOW: I wouldn't. |
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| 19:16:47 | [Saint] | To be perfectly honest I don't even recommend following our instructions either, which are correct. |
| 19:16:49 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick |
| 19:17:05 | brotherlybro | It is "16 GNU Unifont" from http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30204410/Rockbox%20as%20an%20Application/Font%20Pack/font-pack.zip |
| 19:17:19 | [Saint] | Yes |
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| 19:20:16 | [Saint] | neo3000: be advices that without a dump of a valid disk from a running player if you follow that guide verbatim (even if you make it past the misreported size), you'll almost certainly lose the ability to boot the OF and this is non-recoverable without asking someone to risk bricking their device making a valid dump for you. |
| 19:20:18 | brotherlybro | [Saint]: What do you say about my issue? |
| 19:20:26 | [Saint] | In other words - I warned you. |
| 19:20:46 | [Saint] | brotherlybro: the same thing I've been saying repeatedly - use GNU Unifont. |
| 19:21:47 | brotherlybro | I did |
| 19:21:51 | brotherlybro | Still shit :P |
| 19:22:41 | [Saint] | I dunno man. Honestly, the fucks I have spare are dwindling. |
| 19:22:54 | neo3000 | [Saint]: Thanks for your advice ... I am still thinking on what to do ... the main difference in my case compared to all the cases I read on the net is that fdisk reports the correct flash size (4GB) in my case - so it is not 1GB and not 16MB, so that could mean that it is not the hidden OF partition and I would be alright by just repartitioning and formatting ... |
| 19:25:58 | gevaerts | If the rockbox bootloader works (and it sounds like you're using it for USB now, so it does...) I think there's little or no risk just reformatting it |
| 19:26:35 | gevaerts | I'm not sure now if those sansas usually use a partition table or if they just put a filesystem on it, but that shouldn't really matter |
| 19:26:55 | [Saint] | well, we know there's a half-bakes magical no one knows how/why it works recovery method if it does fail. |
| 19:27:15 | [Saint] | I was just hesitant to suggest this as a valid option lest it fall on my head. |
| 19:27:49 | [Saint] | *half-baked |
| 19:28:36 | gevaerts | You're thick-skinned enough to handle that :) |
| 19:30:19 | gevaerts | Going to those magic speculative unbricking instructions if the bootloader still works and bootloader USB works and shows sensible numbers is madness. If it were my device I'd reformat it and unzip a fresh rockbox build on it without even thinking about it |
| 19:30:27 | [Saint] | s/-skinned// |
| 19:30:49 | gevaerts | :) |
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| 19:35:59 | neo3000 | gevaerts: ok, than I will do that ... hang on and keep your fingers crossed :) |
| 19:37:25 | neo3000 | gevaerts: so just format the bare device - or put a vfat partition on it? |
| 19:38:14 | gevaerts | I expect both to work, but I'd start with the bare device |
| 19:40:32 | neo3000 | mkfs.vfat, msdos or fat? |
| 19:40:55 | gevaerts | As far as I know those all do the same thing |
| 19:41:00 | neo3000 | good |
| 19:42:27 | neo3000 | working ... I guess it will take some time ... |
| 19:42:51 | neo3000 | exciting ... |
| 19:43:32 | neo3000 | sd 8:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery |
| 19:44:06 | neo3000 | usb 1-1: USB disconnect, device number 2 |
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| 19:45:07 | gevaerts | Hmmm, bad flash? |
| 19:45:17 | neo3000 | it is dead ... could be just completely drained ... |
| 19:47:11 | neo3000 | well then it is gone ... |
| 19:48:33 | [Saint] | we charge in the bootloader so I doubt it discharged. |
| 19:50:23 | neo3000 | ok it is not dead (yet) ... I can boot into rockbox boot loader again.. Could the battery be so low that I cannot write the complete partition? Would the player load if I keep it in bootloader? |
| 19:50:44 | neo3000 | then the flash is corrupt |
| 19:51:26 | neo3000 | what is the normal reaction if you return a player with rockbox to the seller? |
| 19:52:38 | gevaerts | If the flash is bad in such a way that it shows stable bad blocks, and you trigger those by formatting, they have to be near the start of the device. If so, writing a partition table with the partition starting a few megabytes (or tens of megabytes maybe) in *might* help |
| 19:53:09 | [Saint] | ooooh - interesting idea. |
| 19:54:10 | gevaerts | That "stable blocks" is a very uncertain assumption though |
| 19:56:30 | neo3000 | trying |
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| 19:57:54 | neo3000 | partition type vfat (0B)? |
| 19:58:09 | neo3000 | or vfat LBA (0C)? |
| 19:58:12 | gevaerts | Either |
| 19:58:54 | neo3000 | it is very slow ... writing the partition table takes very long |
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| 20:00:31 | neo3000 | same thing ... result: hostbyte=DID_ABORT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK |
| 20:00:44 | neo3000 | is it of importance that I am doing that in a linux VM? |
| 20:00:56 | neo3000 | linux on mac via Parallels |
| 20:01:38 | gevaerts | I don't think so |
| 20:02:15 | neo3000 | I am also seeing strange USB related messages in the OSX syslog ... |
| 20:02:32 | neo3000 | I will try it on Windows again - if that does not work, i think it is gone |
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| 20:13:19 | neo3000 | I cannot even write the partition table .. |
| 20:13:37 | neo3000 | so I guess ... it is time to say goodbye and let it go ... |
| 20:13:52 | neo3000 | thank you all for your help and your support ... |
| 20:14:19 | neo3000 | and thanks in general for developing rockbox ... |
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| 22:53:15 | pixelma | [Saint]: it's not different icons for disk access internally and externally but for hard disk or flash based players (in their stock configuration). |
| 22:53:59 | [Saint] | I...oh, thank you. |
| 22:54:07 | [Saint] | That makes very little sense. But, thank you. |
| 22:54:39 | [Saint] | (I mean, what you said makes sense - it just doesn't make any sense to give flash based devices their own disk access icon IMO.) |
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| 22:56:10 | pixelma | Well, the icon should represent a spinning disk or a card with a... flash symbol on it. Since there damn small it might be a little hard to make that out |
| 22:56:14 | [Saint] | Especially since it is quite obviously fashioned after an sdcard and not all flash based devices use an sd interface for internal storage. |
| 22:56:32 | [Saint] | But I suppose that is being too pedantic. |
| 22:56:36 | [Saint] | Or too literal. |
| 22:56:37 | [Saint] | Or both. |
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| 22:56:59 | pixelma | That one was created for the Ondio first (by me :P ) |
| 22:57:23 | [Saint] | Well, that one makes sense. I'll give you that. ;) |
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| 22:58:24 | [Saint] | And, yes. At 8px high it just looks like a crude sdcard with the other disk access icon I'm used to inside of it. |
| 22:58:38 | [Saint] | But I suppose when you crush down to 8px high anything looks like anything. |
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| 23:00:46 | pixelma | Sorry, "they are" |
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