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#rockbox log for 2015-08-16

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01:36:54[Saint]Arfed: No.
01:37:04[Saint](And it's got nothing to do with encryption)
01:38:03[Saint]It's technically possible and there's some POC code floating around, it's just largely silly when the device will happily present itself as a mass storage volume to any sane host.
01:39:05[Saint]The isn't too much reason to use Rockbox for playback when the host it is connected to can almost certainly destroy it in playback and decode.
01:39:10[Saint]*there
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02:02:06Arfed[Saint]: true, but in my case, the amp I'm trying to use my ipod with, is deliberately crippled to not support FLAC files - but does support playback
02:02:19Arfedhow difficult is it to get rockbox builds going?
02:02:30Arfedi.e. for coding/experimenting
02:03:03[Saint]If you're talking about iPod Accessory Protocol (this amp uses the iPod dock, yes?), it's best to assume it isn;t going to work anyway.
02:03:10[Saint]The odds of it are...slim.
02:03:14[Saint]Extremely so.
02:03:45ArfedI read up on the accessory protocol, and it seems that doesn't handle streaming music to the dock/device?
02:04:07[Saint]If it offers more than just a dumb playback passthrough, it's almost certainly not going to function as intended.
02:04:08Arfedit does use that protocol though - just I don't think that covers the music streaming bit
02:04:28[Saint]And, yeah, it can.
02:04:37[Saint]anyway - see: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling
02:04:39Arfedwell, it definitely doesn't function right now, but if I could get builds going locally, I could have a crack at reverse engineering
02:04:41Arfedcheers
02:05:30Arfedthe accessory protocol can control the ipod, but is it documented somewhere, that it can stream music too? the documentation I could find, didn't say that
02:05:32[Saint]If this is an iPod 6G you'll need to do a metric shittonne of work to even get serial working in the first place.
02:05:50Arfedyea it is 6g unfortunately
02:05:57[Saint]Ok then. One sec.
02:06:20[Saint]You're about to apply a tonne of dependency ridden patches.
02:06:55Arfedya - I noticed that it required a special build
02:07:00[Saint]You basically want all of these: http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/q/owner:%22C%25C3%25A1stor+Mu%25C3%25B1oz%22+status:open,n,z
02:07:39[Saint]There's a couple in there you don;t need per se, but there's some tight dependencies in there.
02:07:43Arfedcheers - he seems to have implemented some of the accessory protocol there. though not yet sure that can do the music streaming
02:08:11[Saint]Oh. Don't apply iPod Classic: experimental CPU freq/volt scaling
02:08:11Arfedby dependencies, do you mean dependencies on lots of external libraries, or just dependencies on these specific changes?
02:08:18[Saint]that'll just ruin your day.
02:08:25Arfedha - okey, noted ;)
02:08:49[Saint]by dependencies I mean each patch depends on another which depends on another in turn, etc. ad infinitum.
02:09:33Arfedah yes, okey
02:09:47[Saint]If you open each of the patch links you'll see both "Dependencies" and "Needed by".
02:10:12Arfedso, do you know much about the actual music streaming protocol?
02:11:16ArfedI can find good documentation on the accessory protocol, I just don't see anything that can be used to stream music
02:11:18[Saint]I do not.
02:11:24Arfedokey
02:11:41Arfedwell, cheers, thanks for the information/help :) may try to get that going, and check it out
02:12:48[Saint]I just know that it's definitely a thing that can happen. Not much more.
02:13:00[Saint]There's a lot of IAP that has escaped documentation.
02:13:07[Saint]Thanks, Apple. Thapple.
02:13:21Arfedya okey - I have read elsewhere, that it requires special signing with a private key, so it's hard to tell
02:13:25Arfedha :) yea that's a pity
02:13:40ArfedI'm surprised no apple SDK has been leaked by now
02:13:55[Saint]They run a fairly tight ship.
02:14:08Arfedya, must do
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17:57:20[Franklin]saratoga: could you review g#1206 please?
17:57:25fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #1206 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1206 : 3[Superdom] Bugfix by Franklin Wei
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18:10:26ulmutulHello, can a native speaker please review g#1197 manual changes?
18:10:31fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #1197 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1197 : 3Shopper: slightly improve plugin and manual by Sebastian Leonhardt
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18:12:52[Franklin]I can look at it but not review/comment on gerrit
18:15:11[Franklin]It's good
18:15:54ulmutulThank you! I can mention you in a gerrit comment :)
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18:26:48[Saint]How the hell are you still using gerrit ulmutul?
18:27:02[Saint]Have you been logged in to a session for like....months?
18:27:32[Saint]We can all push there, sure, logging in however...
18:27:41ulmutulI don't use google or yahoo or anything like this.
18:28:01[Saint]So the answer is "you don't" then?
18:28:36[Saint]You absolutely need an openID provider to log in.
18:28:43ulmutulI'm using a german openid provider. Never had problems logging in :)
18:29:02[Saint]Have you tried recently?
18:29:27[Saint]You might wanna make sure you don't clear your session cookies.
18:29:46ulmutulhttp://www.xlogon.net/ to be precise. And: Yes I logged in 10 minutes ago.
18:30:03[Saint]The fuck? That's...odd.
18:30:45[Saint]OpenID 1 stopped working for everyone months ago.
18:31:01[Saint]And our gerrit doesn't support openID 2
18:31:17[Saint]I suspect you're living off an old active session.
18:32:02ulmutulStrange :/ I haven't deleted cookies since ages, but gerrit ask me to log in every time I use it.
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18:34:21[Saint]If you want that to keep working I wouldn't delete session cookies if I were you.
18:34:35[Saint]On the whole the majority of us are locked out.
18:35:03ulmutulOk, seems like I'm really privileged now :P
18:35:11[Saint]We can't log in with openID, because its dead, and openID 2 isn't supported on our gerrit instance.
18:35:50[Saint]It could be but we need a new gerrit version, openID plugin, and a Swede to do it all.
18:36:16[Saint]And neither of the Swedes want much or any involvement these days.
18:37:05ulmutulThe first (and only) time I've dealt with openID was when I registered to gerrit.
18:37:36ulmutulYes I heard about the problems, but I thought it is only because google dropped it.
18:39:06[Saint]We also need to update the gerrit instance and the openID plugin to accommodate openID 2
18:39:47[Saint]Where "we" == one of two or three very specific people with little to no project involvement
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20:10:23damarusamaI am looking for an portable audio recorder that runs on rockbox - I can't find a place that list all recording device
20:10:26damarusamaon the site that is
20:12:22[Saint]All the Sansas and ipods do. I think everything you stand any chance of being able to buy does.
20:12:45damarusamanot the ipod nano though right?
20:12:57[Saint](Except the iPod 6g but I could easily supply you a binary with recording enabled)
20:13:23[Saint]All the ipods do I believe. The ipods just don't have a native mic.
20:13:47[Saint]All the /supported/ ipods that is.
20:14:12[Saint]If you want something with a mic vs line in only, grab one of the Sansas.
20:14:24[Saint]Cheap and readily available.
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20:15:09damarusamanice - and sould quality should be good enough (depending on the mic?)
20:16:32damarusamathanks ~ that help - I'll do more research on these models.
20:18:02[Saint]Depending on what you want it for, sure.
20:18:16[Saint]For voice only, they're all fine.
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21:47:05gryffynHey, I haven't been added to the WikiUsersGroup yet.
21:47:50gryffynI'm EvanPenner on the wiki.
21:47:53gryffynThanks!
21:51:33[Franklin]sure
21:51:55gevaertsgryffyn: if I did things right, you should now be able to edit
21:52:23gryffyngevaerts: Awesome. Thanks!
21:52:56gryffyngevaerts: Yep! I can edit. Thank you!
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