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#rockbox log for 2015-10-25

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00:30:26mshathlonxpwhat happened then?
00:30:42mshathlonxpI remember that some three years ago android port was called "the future"
00:30:48mshathlonxpwhy the future is dead? :D
00:31:01mshathlonxpI don't get it
00:31:10[Saint]"The Future" was implemented in a painfully idiotic way.
00:31:33[Saint]Call it the benefit of hindsight.
00:32:25[Saint]Everyone involved has pretty much since conceded that the only way Rockbox actually makes sense on Android is with a completely native UI and a standalone Rockbox playback library.
00:32:32[Saint]But, here's the thing...
00:32:51[Saint]android-ffmpeg basically means that writing that library would be an excercise in reinventing wheels.
00:33:22[Franklin]what /is/ rockbox's future, then?
00:33:53[Saint]Slowly dwindling into obscurity, like every other project.
00:34:25[Saint]The DAP space is dead. It's all audiophile grade shit or disposable rubbish now.
00:34:40[Franklin]yep
00:35:08[Franklin]"you can win one in a candy machine now" kind of cheap, I suppose
00:35:35[Saint]There's plenty of other unconquered targets available, but the general public isn't interested in them. So new ports become basically hobby exercises for reversing firmware.
00:37:48[Saint]If I had my slate cleared of my future roster I'd be a lot more willing to attempt an ffmpeg-driven native UIed Rockbox.
00:38:03[Franklin]well, why not a final release to go out with a bang?
00:38:05[Saint]But like many of the people around here I just plain don't have the time for large investments like that.
00:38:43[Saint]I don't really think the releases actually mean anything these days, do they?
00:39:00[Saint]ANyone actually still using Rockbox should know damn well that git head is stable.
00:39:26gevaertsas in unchanging, anyway :)
00:39:48gevaertsI don't think we have enough users running head to know how well it really runs
00:40:35[Saint]Hmmm, granted.
00:41:03[Saint]I just realized that when I say git head is stable that I'm only really talking about a subset of targets.
00:41:22[Saint]There's a LOT of targets no one owns, and even those who do, haven't touched in ages.
00:41:28gevaertsAnd a subset of features
00:41:31[Saint]I hadn't considered that.
00:41:52[Saint]There's a shittonne of targets that effectively no one wants to touch anymore.
00:42:02[Saint](for a wide range of good reasons)
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00:42:40[Saint]I suppose I'm in a nice insulated bubble being an iPod man.
00:42:48gevaertsAs far as I can see even replacement batteries are starting to be hard to get for many targets
00:43:36mshathlonxpwell, always there's some ways how to improvise that...:D
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00:44:00gevaertsOf course, but it does mean the end of the player for regular users
00:44:54mshathlonxphow many regular users uses rockbox? only the ones who are in touhc with some geek, I guess
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00:48:01CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:48:01*[Franklin] might as well implement multi-char variable names
00:48:49gevaertsIf you define "regular" as "is prepared to open up the player and install a new battery that comes in the right size and with the right connector, but isn't prepared to try to figure out which other battery might fit and not explode", quite a lot I'd say
00:50:16gevaertsAs a proportion of the total userbase I mean. I have *no* idea how many users we still have
00:50:45[Franklin]does someone have access to the webserver logs?
00:50:52gevaertsI hope so!
00:51:22[Franklin]it'd be interesting to see the traffic patterns
00:51:44gevaertsI'm not sure what those will tell us though. I don't expect many *new* users these days, so it's mostly existing installations, and those won't show up in the logs
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02:01:39foolshFor me, at least, rockbox has always been about learning. It's not a "deliverable binary" to me it's a community project that's done so well, learning all kinds of great things from it becomes intuitive and easy, because someone has already been down that path before you. But the things I learn are applicable in so many other areas besides rockbox, it's just a cool place to hack
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19:50:14Guest67591is unbrick procedure working for sansa clip zip now?
19:53:19Guest67591i got a error msg while updating firmware >" Data abort at 00FSR 0x8(domain 0. fault address 0xE3A02E pc008008AV sp:3 "
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