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#rockbox log for 2015-11-26

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15:26:45Link8hey guys
15:26:47Link8anyone here?
15:27:32Link8got a question
15:28:24soapask, Link8. Don't ask to ask
15:28:36soapIRC is not always an instant medium
15:28:42Link8i have an ipod classic 160 gb
15:28:55Link8i had an older version of rockbox on it
15:29:07Link8but i recently switched from windows to mac also
15:29:32Link8so when i tried to transfer music, it started to be so slow its unimaginable
15:29:36Link8so i did a little reading
15:29:49Link8and i installed a newer version of rockbox on the ipod
15:29:52Link8it seemed to work great
15:30:03Link8music transferred real quick
15:30:07Link8but now all of a sudden again
15:30:24Link8it transfers really slow w
15:30:29Link8i dont know why
15:30:32Link8i tried in disk mode
15:30:34Link8same result
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15:35:20Link8the transfers are slow all of a sudden
15:35:23Link8i wonder whats wrong
15:35:30Link8or if there is any way to make it quicker
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15:40:46Link8soap?
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16:38:25[Saint]USB is USB is USB.
16:39:12[Saint]There's no user facing changes the user can make that will alter the speed of which files are transfered between the host and the client, and no way for Rockbox to do anything that will slow this down over time.
16:39:27[Saint]The issue here is likely to be one of observational bias.
16:39:42[Saint]TL;DR: you're probably just imagining it
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16:44:02Link8no
16:44:16Link8when i transferred my first folders with albums
16:44:29Link8it took about 5-10 second for a folder to transfer
16:44:43Link8lets say a 80MB folder with mp3 would take 5-10 seconds
16:44:52Link8now an 80 MB folder is stuck
16:45:02Link8takes 50 min or hours
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16:45:10Link8the ipod start to make weird noises
16:45:17Link8its real weird
16:45:23Link8at first it was perfect
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16:45:28Link8there should be something wrong
16:45:38soapI thought At First it was borked
16:45:45soapThen you upgraded and things went well
16:45:50soapNow it's borked again.
16:48:17Link8whats borked
16:48:23Link8i dont know whats wrong
16:48:31Link8i rockboxed it on my windows
16:48:34soapTransfer speeds are "borked"
16:48:39Link8yes
16:48:44Link8its rel weird
16:48:48Link8there should be a solution
16:48:49soapPoint I'm trying to make is there is a history of slow transfers from your Mac. You've seized upon the upgrade as "fixing" the problem initially noted on your Mac *while at the same time dismissing the upgrade* when the slowdown reoccurs.
16:48:56soap<Link8> but i recently switched from windows to mac also
16:48:57soap<Link8> so when i tried to transfer music, it started to be so slow its unimaginable
16:49:05soapSo the timeline is:
16:49:14Link8that has nothing to do with the problem
16:49:20soapreally?
16:49:25soapThe timeline is:
16:49:31soap1 - install on Windows. No speed complaints.
16:49:36soap2 - take to Mac. Speed complaints.
16:49:44soap3 - Upgrade Rockbox.
16:49:48soap4 - No speed complaints.
16:49:54soap5 - Speed complaints return.
16:49:57soapright?
16:50:30Link8im not sure if it will work fine on windows
16:50:37Link8maybe i should try that
16:50:39soapIs my timeline correct or not?
16:50:44Link8no
16:50:49Link8listen
16:50:52soapthen fix it for me please.
16:50:59Link8it already was "borked" on windows
16:51:07soapAhh. So even worse.
16:51:07Link8the mac thing has nothing to do with it
16:51:19soapSo you've had transfer speed problems which come and go.
16:51:23Link8at first it works great
16:51:29Link8and then it goes slow
16:51:41soapand you've drawn a conclusion already that it Was, but Isn't Now, related to the version of Rockbox on it.
16:51:51Link8i dont know that
16:51:54soapSounds like a dying HDD. Have you run scandisk on it?
16:52:07Link8another thing i might want to add
16:52:10Link8no its not dying
16:52:17Link8another thing i want to add is
16:52:23soapno it's not dying?
16:52:24Link8whe ni first got this ipod clssic
16:52:29soapthat's a conclusion you have no support for.
16:52:36Link8i put rockbox on it
16:52:42soapStop. Step back,.
16:52:59Link8but that rockbox sometimes had a LOUD noise in the middle of a song and i had to restart the rockbox
16:53:16Link8but with this version that is removed
16:53:20soapYou've got a whole mess of evidece w/o any real strong connections between situations. You need to gather higher quality evidence to determine root cause.
16:53:31Link8i used this to rockbox it
16:53:32Link8http://www.tarkan.info/20140804/tutorials/howto-install-rockbox-on-the-ipod-classics
16:53:39Link8yes
16:53:45Link8should i run scandisk on it?
16:53:54soapThat should have been step 1
16:54:05soaploud noise can also be a symptom of a dying HDD.
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16:54:15soapas a corrupt file can decode to some really nasty stuff.
16:54:20Link8it just does that when it gets stuck tranferring music
16:54:39Link8ok so im gonna see if i can get scandisc for mac
16:54:51soapI'm sure Apple has their own disk scanning tool.
16:55:46Link8gonna find out
16:56:48Link8Disc Utility
16:56:51Link8i can use that
16:57:42Link8put it in disc mode?
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17:01:08Link8its FAT
17:02:48Link8theres nothing wrong with it soap like i thought
17:04:08soapany scan that fast isn't robust
17:04:22soap5 minutes is not enough to scan a 160GB HDD
17:05:30Link8what do u suggest i use?
17:05:34soapbut assuming a scan comes back clean the next step is to see if the behavior happens on other computers.
17:05:41soapI'm not a Mac person.
17:06:16soap[Saint], is all Classic disk access through Rockbox or is Disc Mode Apple's like on the older iPods?
17:06:51[Saint]you keep mentioning dick mode, but, unless you're using an unreleased version of a bootloader that isn't even mainline yet, dualboot and diskmode do NOT exist on the Classic under Rockbox.
17:07:01[Saint]ANd Mac support definitely doesn't work.
17:07:09[Saint]Something is fucking fishy here.
17:07:19[Saint]*disk mode, heh, not dick.
17:08:12[Saint]I have not yet once seen a Mac that will not _flatly refuse_ to mount an iPod Classic under Rockbox .
17:08:34[Saint]I needed to build so many custom builds for people with this specific problem that I know it very well to be real.
17:10:33[Saint]the build needs the iPod VID/PID patched out before it'll talk shop with Rockbox as generic removable storage.
17:11:40[Saint]There's an outside chance this user is using prof_wolfff's dualboot bootloader...but at this point in development it's fairly remote.
17:12:12[Saint]There's likely less than a dozen people using that globally.
17:13:08Link8lol
17:13:21Link8Saint
17:13:33Link8not sure what you mean with mount an ipod?
17:13:37Link8i did it on windowds
17:13:41Link8windows
17:14:44[Saint]Let me say this. I don't think you're /lying/. I just think you're confused, leaving out some information, or particularly bad at explaining things.
17:15:55Link8ok tell me
17:15:58Link8what do you need to know?
17:16:24Link8that could be both things [Saint] lol
17:17:18Link8in the older version of rockbox the boot menu was different on the ipod
17:17:27Link8this newer bootmenu is nicer
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17:20:52Link8you can see what im using on the site i posted [Saint]
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17:21:42Link8im using Version: 03c115cM-140729
17:22:37Link8any idea why i cant normally transfer things anymore?
17:23:15[Saint]OK, so that is a modified build. That explains it working with Macs. And when you say "DIsk Mode" here, I now know that you mean the disk mode present on the emCORE boot menu, which you should NOT be using.
17:23:30[Saint]There's a reason why that was never released to the publec.
17:23:37[Saint]*public
17:24:08[Saint]Tarkan distributing those files is problematic at best and entirely unneeded.
17:25:39Link8what do you mean working with macs?
17:25:53Link8the build doesnt have to do with that [Saint]
17:25:59Link8i am only plugging it in the mac
17:26:09[Saint]Yes, yes it does.
17:26:15Link8i have software installed that can read fat32 hds
17:26:18Link8no why should it?
17:26:25Link8what do you mean with working with macs?
17:26:45Link8my other version was also "working" with the mac
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17:26:54Link8not sure what you mean with working
17:27:29Link8ah i see
17:27:29[Saint]the build you're using is almost certainly supplying a custom USB VID/PID identifier to tell the MAc that the device is not actually an iPod.
17:27:44[Saint]In your build version, 03c115cM, the 'M' dictates 'modified'.
17:27:51Link8it tells the MAC its an HD
17:27:57Link8just like all the versions do right?
17:28:03[Saint]I can't tell you exactly what has changed, but if it works out of the box on a MAc, I can make an educated guess.
17:28:11[Saint]And, no.
17:28:13Link8rockbox shows as an hd right? instead of an ipod
17:28:37[Saint]No, the current version we actually ship will _not_ behave that way on a Mac.
17:28:51[Saint]because we use the OEM USB VID/PID.
17:28:53Link8what way do you mean
17:28:59Link8Oh does it show as an ipod?
17:29:17[Saint]I'm not sure in which way I can explain it more clearly to you I'm afraid.
17:29:18Link8what do you exactly mean?
17:29:32Link8youre not clear my friend
17:29:44Link8when i was using windows
17:29:50Link8the ipod didnt show as an ipod neither
17:29:56Link8itunes doesnt pick it up anymore right
17:30:00Link8it shows as an hd
17:30:10Link8on windows or mac it doesnt matter..right?
17:30:19[Saint]it does matter.
17:30:23[Saint]it matters a lot.
17:30:28Link8so what are you saying?
17:30:40[Saint]Mac expect an iPod to be an iPod.
17:30:50Link8why?
17:30:56Link8i thought it could just show a hd
17:30:57[Saint]'cos, Macs.
17:31:07Link8you put music on it and that would be it
17:31:34Link8this is the exact same way it behaved on windows
17:31:42Link8so on a Mac it should show as an ipod?
17:31:54Link8but how do you mean..You should see the ipod icon?
17:32:09Link8Like you see if you connect it to itunes with apple firmware?
17:32:14[Saint]It would usually claim that the iPod needed to be restored in most cases.
17:32:27Link8i see
17:32:43Link8but this is not an ipod anymore right because of the rockbox..It now behaves as an hd
17:32:50Link8thats also what the disc mode says
17:33:03Link8How is it supposed to work [Saint]?
17:33:52[Saint]when you say 'disk mode', what _exactly_ are you meaning? Are you selecting this off the emCORE main menu, or, are you just meaning this as the USB screen Rockbox presents when plugged?
17:34:00[Saint]That's an important distinction.
17:34:12[Saint]'Dick Mode' means a very specific thing in iPod terms.
17:34:15[Saint]*disk
17:34:16[Saint]bah
17:34:18[Saint]lol
17:34:45Link8yes of the emCORE main menu on the ipod
17:34:59[Saint]yeah, don't use that.
17:35:00Link8you can select disc mode
17:35:02Link8oh ok
17:35:10[Saint]that's really highly unstable and _will_ corrupt your data.
17:35:14Link8i can select 3 things
17:35:22Link8Power off
17:35:23Link8Rockbox
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17:35:30[Saint]that was never intended to be released to the public.
17:35:30Link8andDisk Mode
17:35:32Link8oh 4 things
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17:35:43Link8emCORE console
17:35:44Link8and Tools
17:35:46Link85 things
17:36:12Link8music plays perfect
17:36:18Link8i only cant transfer shit anymore
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17:36:57Link8so how is it supposed to work, i'm confused
17:39:07Link8what do you suggest i do
17:39:24[Saint]On Windows and Linux, you should just forget about the emCORE main menu entirely (ideally it should be set to boot straight to Rockbox), and just plug in the iPod running Rockbox and USb should "Just Work".
17:40:06[Saint]On Mac, for this to happen you would need a custom build that spoofs the USB VID/PID.
17:40:16Link8For What to happen
17:40:21Link8for it to boot straight into rockbox?
17:40:27Link8that doesnt matter to me
17:40:33Link8i just want to transfer music
17:40:36Link8it worked great
17:40:39Link8now its all slow
17:40:43Link8dont know why that is
17:41:19Link8is the version i have the best for ipod Classic?
17:41:21Link8160gb
17:43:29[Saint]The current build of Rockbox for your device is always available at http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip
17:44:24Link8so this one im running aint no good?
17:45:16Link8what do you think of the slow transfer speed/
17:45:21Link8what can i do
17:45:34Link8or how are you supposed to transfer what is the best way
17:46:13[Saint]most users just drag and drop.
17:46:42[Saint]rockbox requires no specific file structure, do as you please with it.
17:48:21Link8yes thats what i was doing
17:48:27Link8but that wont work anymore
17:48:29Link8thats my problem
17:48:40Link8so you have no idea why it behaves this way?
17:49:48[Saint]I suspect it might have something to do with using a modified third party build from 2014...but, that's just a guess. ;)
17:51:05Link8hm
17:51:11Link8so what do u think i should do
17:51:23Link8reinstall rockbox with the link u gave me?
17:51:43[Saint]It can't hurt.
17:52:03Link8so how old is that build from that link?
17:52:35Link8is it newer then 2014
17:52:59[Franklin]it's the newest build available
17:53:12[Franklin]fresh from Git
17:54:10Link8nice
17:54:15Link8ill have to try that
17:54:33Link8any tutorial for dummies how to do that one? =)
17:54:38Link8im gonna do it right now
17:55:26Link8also i had some nice themes installed
17:55:37Link8can i just drop the theme folder in the rocbox
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17:58:10[Saint]for both themes and rockbox binaries, simply extract the archive to the root of the device.
17:59:29Link8can you give me a guide for dummies how to install?
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18:00:16Link8and do i need to format the drive or anything?
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18:14:07ZincAlloyon a mac that's a bad idea.
18:14:23ZincAlloybecause it won't merge folders.
18:16:49ZincAlloyah. it's possible these days. gotta hold the option key when dropping one folder over the other and OSX will offer merging
18:18:42ZincAlloybut apparently it has some issues :/ http://www.howtogeek.com/198043/how-to-merge-folders-on-mac-os-x-without-losing-all-your-files-seriously/
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19:31:59LenaLunatikhi everyone
19:32:10LenaLunatik^^
19:32:29LenaLunatikwhat's the topic of this channel? i'm new and confused
19:32:31LenaLunatikxD
19:32:46[Franklin]the topic is: 3.13 released! | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc
19:32:48[Saint]I suspect /topic might let you know
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19:33:52LenaLunatikthanks for the kindness.. -_-
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19:58:51[Franklin]who was talking about a "rockbox device" recently?
19:59:20[Franklin]https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/ looks really promising for such an application
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20:00:11ZincAlloythis guy on the forum: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51071.0.html
20:00:27[Franklin]no, it was some dude on IRC
20:00:31ZincAlloyoh, ok.
20:00:39[Franklin]shadows I think
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