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#rockbox log for 2015-11-29

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03:40:13master_yogaanybody here?
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03:42:35master_yogaI need help with my player
03:43:13master_yogait's about this tool from rockbox: tcctool
03:43:38master_yogahelpfull to unbrick a player
03:44:25master_yogaunfortunately just reflashing doesn't seem to be enough in my case
03:45:33master_yogabecause the internal storage is unreadable
03:46:48master_yogaI need to find a way to access it directly to reformat it
03:47:17master_yogasomebody has an idea how to do that?
03:49:42master_yogamaybe I should try again tomorrow
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13:28:30Master_YogaHi there
13:28:42Master_YogaAnybody here?
13:32:31Master_YogaWhat's going on here? The list is full of people but nobody is chatting...
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13:46:20Master_Yogahello pamaury
13:46:47Master_Yogaunbelievable meeting somebody here
13:47:17Master_Yogalist is full of people but nobody seems to chat
13:48:01Master_Yogais there some *hidden* secret going on here?...
13:48:18pamaurythis is a technical channel, people only discuss technical matters
13:48:33Master_Yogawell, I have a technical problem
13:48:33pamauryand there are not many people working on rockbox anymore
13:48:56Master_Yogawhy is the chatroom full of people?
13:49:18Master_YogaI mean the list on the right −−−−>
13:49:35pamauryso that they can read the log and answer questions if they are pinged I suppose
13:49:49Master_YogaI see....
13:50:08Master_YogaI have trouble with my cowon U3. So who should I ping?
13:50:58Master_Yogait's not directly rockbox-related
13:51:07Master_YogaI bricked the player
13:51:15Master_Yogathere is a tool to unbrick
13:51:24Master_Yogathe tool is made by the rockbox-team
13:51:32Master_Yogait's called tcctool
13:51:42Master_YogaI need help with usage
13:51:53pamauryI know a bit about tcctool
13:52:04pamaurywhat did you do exactly to brick the player ?
13:52:41pamaury(however tcctool doesn't know about the cowon U3 so it might be tricky)
13:52:48Master_YogaI damagd the partition-table
13:53:29pamauryand now it won't boot ?
13:53:38Master_Yogathe tcctool is working with iaudio6...I tried it with cowon u3 and it worked. It loaded an older firmware-version
13:53:51Master_Yogawith the iaudio6-option
13:54:25Master_Yogayes. the firmware is running but it is freezing because the memory is unaccessible (I think)
13:54:50Master_Yogaso it can't load system-files from the 4GB-flash-disk
13:55:12Master_Yogawhen I plug in windows no drive and no partition is showing up...that's the problem
13:55:43Master_YogaI damaged the partition table with linux testdisk
13:56:14Master_YogaI had some corrupted files before. So I decided running testdisk "to fix the filesystem".
13:56:16pamauryI see, that's quite trick then because if the firmware won't boot, it means you would have to upload something else to recover
13:56:19Master_Yoga...this was a bad idea...
13:56:47pamauryand I don't even know what is inside, probably a NAND chip I guess
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13:57:46Master_YogaFlash Memory: K9K4G08U0M?
13:58:01Master_YogaSystem on Chip: Telechips TCC770
13:59:00Master_YogaI have a full backup of the flash-memory on my computer
13:59:21Master_Yogaif I could access the memory, I could just reformat it and copy back everything....
13:59:28pamaurywell, the backup is no really the problem here
13:59:37pamaurythe problem is how to access it
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14:00:16pamauryespecially since it's NAND, it probably uses a FTL
14:01:14Master_Yogathe incident happened about three years ago...since then...I waited for some possibility to unbrick the player. Now I found tcctool! But just booting an older firmware doesn't seem to be enough though.
14:01:58pamauryflash translation layer, it is a way to make a NAND chip look like a disk
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14:02:17Master_YogaThere is no official repair or anything! Cowon stopped support! You can't even repair a player for money!
14:03:38pamauryjust to make sure, when you boot the player normally, what happen ? It boots but freezes ?
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14:05:07Master_Yogayes, it shows the title-screen, reading "iAudio U3 Starting Ver 1.29"...and that's it.
14:05:37Master_YogaUsually an animation would follow, showing the cowon-logo.
14:06:27Master_YogaI guess the animation gets loaded from the flashdisk, well as the rest of the software
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14:06:49Master_YogaCan't switch off the player now. I have to push the reset-button
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14:07:10pamauryunfortunately, I'm afraid this is going to be near impossible without a HUGE amount of work. People have tried to understand the FTL format ( and were not quite successful apparently.
14:07:50Master_Yogaoh no....
14:09:33Master_Yoga...that sucks...
14:09:41pamauryyou really need a cowon tool to fix this I'm afraid
14:09:50pamaurymaybe the firmware has a recovery mode ?
14:10:21Master_Yogahow to find out?
14:10:30pamaurytry holding buttons when it boot
14:10:36pamaurytypically try holding menu
14:10:38pamauryor play
14:11:12Master_Yogawell, I have to hold the menu-button to allow tcctool to access the player
14:11:28Master_Yogait's called external boot or something alike
14:11:45pamauryyeah that's the hardware recovery mode
14:11:54pamaurybut maybe there is a software one
14:11:58pamaury(with another button)
14:13:07Master_Yogaok, I'll try some other buttons. There is: Rec, Menu and the Pause/Play-Button...and of cource the joystick, wich can be pushed down
14:14:03Master_YogaPause/Play is used to switch on the player.
14:14:15Master_YogaPlay and Menu...nothing happens
14:14:33Master_YogaPlay and Joystick...nothing happens
14:14:40Master_YogaPlay and Rec...nope...nothing
14:14:57Master_Yogaplay and joystick-down...player starts as usual
14:15:11pamaurythis thread might be interesting, although it's about the D2
14:16:09Link8i put rockbox on my ipod on a different windows
14:16:12Master_Yogaforgot the reset-button: reset and play...nothing. reset+rec...nothing
14:16:15Link8now im on my mac and i plug it in
14:16:18Link8it doesnt show it
14:16:36Link8last time i rockboxed it on xp, plugged it in mac and it showed it
14:16:37Link8hmm weird
14:16:44pamauryMaster_Yoga: maybe there is none then
14:16:45Link8mac doesnt support FAT32 ofcourse?
14:17:15pamauryLink8: I know nothing about ipod/Mac, maybe others on the channel will answer if they know
14:17:33Master_YogaThanks for the threat...I know it already...that's how I found tcctools
14:17:40Link8this channel is about that right pamaury
14:18:08pamauryLink8: yes you are on the correct channel
14:18:11Master_Yoga@Link8 I guess you switched the tab or something
14:18:28Master_Yogathis is the wrong channel...only two persons are here
14:18:53pamauryMaster_Yoga: I understand, but what we miss the file to upload to the device to reformat, the thread suggest they have one such file for the D2
14:19:28Master_YogaI think it's just the official firmware
14:19:40Master_Yogadownloaded from cowon-website
14:20:03Link8what tab Master_Yoga
14:20:59Master_Yoganot sure...maybe there is a tab for each channel on the toolbar of the chat-client
14:21:10Master_Yogait seems you were in the middle of some conversation
14:21:38Master_Yoga...maybe you switched the chatroom in the middle of conversation..without noticing it
14:22:19pamauryMaster_Yoga: I'm sorry, I don't know what to suggest to fix your player
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14:22:47Master_Yogathank you anyway... least I know a bit more about the problem...
14:24:27Master_Yogawho knows...maybe I have to wait a few years more...for another tool
14:24:53Master_Yogabeing able to reformat/access via usb
14:25:39Master_Yoga@Link8: Do you have three firmware-files instead of one?
14:25:55Link8i installed it on a windows computer
14:26:40Master_YogaBecause when doing a manual flash with tcctool it's usually the first file to use
14:27:02Link8why are you telling me this
14:27:41Master_YogaBecause you said you have trouble with the firmware for D2
14:28:34Master_Yogaok, now I use rockbox...
14:28:39Master_YogaI don't know how tu use it
14:28:54Link8what do you use?
14:29:03Link8dont have trouble with any firmware
14:29:07Master_YogaJust played around with this tcctool to re-upload the orig-firmware to the player
14:29:13Link8just wondering why drive doest show up on my mac
14:29:22Link8because last time i did when i rockboxed it with XP mac-experienced user here...
14:31:22Master_Yogajust know...when something is not workin on a really have a problem
14:32:01Master_Yogabecause the whole thing is totally commercial...and modifications are not intended...
14:32:26Master_Yogareally good reasons...not ever buying a mac
14:40:39Master_Yogathanks for trying to help, pamaury,...I think I'll leave now.
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15:11:27Link8i got the problem again
15:11:31Link8im transferring music fine
15:11:44Link8and now all of a sudden after a couple of gigs transferred
15:11:50Link8the transferring gets stuck
15:11:55Link8and i can hear the ipod make a noise
15:11:57Link8a click
15:12:06Link8anyone know why this is?
15:12:43Link8its ransferring slow as hell all of a sudden
15:14:19Link8same problem again
15:14:29Link8first couple of gigs transfers quick
15:14:45Link8and now its transferring super slow
15:14:49Link8what the hell
15:17:54Link8please help
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15:28:21Link8this sucks
15:28:29Link8wondering what the problem is
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16:32:47Link8anyone here
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16:44:08Link8this is weird
16:44:15Link8got a data aboirt on the ipod screen
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17:06:04Link8Anyone around
17:15:54Link8i tried everything
17:15:56Link8this is a mystery
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17:42:17Link8this is crazyyyyyy
17:42:20Link8so frustrating
17:42:39Link8it transfers files sooo slow
17:42:48Link8after 2 gigs
17:42:52Link8its super slow
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17:55:34Link8Anyone here
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22:04:49Link8Anyone gere
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22:06:02Link8Hey Saint
22:06:12Link8i tried everything
22:06:17Link8my conclusion is
22:06:22Link8dont transfer shit on mac
22:06:37Link8How can i boot straight into rockbox from the ipod menu?
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22:12:27[Saint]please stop PMing me.
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22:12:49Link8this is crazy
22:12:52[Saint]If someone doesn't answer you, it can be for a variety of reasons.
22:12:54[Saint]Deal with it.
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22:16:16[Franklin]Link8: please be patient
22:16:45[Franklin]PM'ing people is only going to piss them off and make them not want to help you
22:17:39[Saint]emCORE main menu; Tools; Fastboot action; Rockbox (or so, from memory)
22:17:56[Saint]It's really obvious once you're in the tools menu.
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22:19:16Link8thanks saint
22:19:37Link8i think its good to know for the chan that you shouldnt use rockbox on mac
22:20:03[Saint]There's absolutely no supported install method for this device at all anyway.
22:20:07[Saint]So it really doesn't matter.
22:20:53Link8i used rockbox utility with mac
22:21:07Link8i keep getting errors while transferring music
22:21:11[Saint]Not to install the bootloader you didn't.
22:21:16Link8any idea why this is Saint
22:21:20Link8no not the bootloader
22:22:22[Saint]Right. Rockbox Utility can only update an existing install, it can't do an initial install, or remove an existing one, in ipod6g. Rockbox provides no officially supported means of actually booting the binary supplied.
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22:22:57[Saint]In return we kinda get to was our hands of any issues you encounter from using this binary and the third party tools you needed to use to boot it.
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22:23:20Link8so what are you saying exactly
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22:23:44[Franklin]"not our problem"
22:24:05Link8im just wondering why i get an error while transferring music
22:24:29[Franklin]it would help if you told us /what error/ you get
22:24:41Link8i tried transferring files on mac
22:24:54Link8after like 2 gigs the transfer goes insanely slow
22:25:00Link8now im doing it on windows
22:25:20Link8i get an error
22:25:23Link8file not specified
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22:26:08[Saint]I would pretty much guarantee that your filesystem is damaged in some way.
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22:26:24Link8how can that be?
22:26:30Link8but the hd is clean
22:27:07[Saint]how do you define this clenliness, and how did you ascertain this?
22:27:15Link8i scanned it
22:27:49Link8a scantool
22:28:02[Saint]ah. very specific.
22:28:10Link8lol i forgot
22:28:21Link8i cant copy files anymore
22:28:27Link8maybe youre right
22:28:38Link8maybe i should buy an ipod ssd
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22:29:01[Saint]an ssd isn't going to magically save you from corrupt filesystems.
22:29:23[Saint]but it would save you from the frankly suicidal firmware on these disks.
22:29:37Link8what do you think the exact problem is?
22:29:45Link8any way to fix it?
22:30:15[Saint]I would think that you've been fucking around with USB and transfers a lot and forgetting to safely disconnect the storage volume each time.
22:30:29Link8but i just reformatted the disc
22:30:32Link8should be all clean right?
22:30:46[Saint]which is really important, especially if there's write caching on the host.
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22:30:51[Saint]and, yes.
22:31:00Link8if i want to delete a file it says Cannot delete file: Cannot read from the source file or disc
22:31:14[Franklin]remount maybe?
22:31:53Link8i reformatted this disc like 5 times because ive tried just about anything now
22:32:01Link8How do i do that Franklin and what is it?
22:32:25Link8what does it do
22:32:49Link8this is so weird
22:33:03Link8its a clean install..dont understand why its doing this
22:34:29Link8when i click on properties the whole disc says 0
22:34:37Link8but theres files on it.. when i unplug it
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22:35:51Link8any way to fix this filesystem [Saint] ?
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22:37:03Link8i thought it was repaired since the disc is reformatted?
22:37:36[Saint]If formatting the disk directly from the emCORE tools menu doens't present you with a usable filesystem then it is very likely that the disk is badly damaged.
22:37:52Link8what do you mean
22:38:06Link8i format the disc from the emCORE tools menu
22:38:26Link8how can i see if its a usable filessystem
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22:39:55[Saint]if the situation you describe is correct (which I have some problem with), then it's quite clear it doesn't. Files don't magically survive a format reporting success without the disk being all kinds of fucked up.
22:40:25Link8the files dont survive [Saint]
22:40:27[Saint]If you format the disk and it still has files present after the fact it's pretty clear something is fundamentally wrong.
22:40:33Link8i put them on there again after the reformat
22:40:44Link8it doesnt have files present after reformat
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22:42:45Link8so what do you think it is and what can i do?
22:46:05Link8i replugged it i can delete the file
22:46:05Link8but for some reason it wont transfer right
22:47:41Link8something must be wrong with the hd
22:47:42Link8it keeps clicking
22:48:12Link8cannot copy bla bla
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22:50:01[Saint]You could attempt to recover the usable section of the disk with hddscan2.ubi from but this can take a VERY long time to complete, if it completes at all.
22:50:17[Saint]And, I do mean a very long time.
22:50:18[Saint]Anywhere from hours, to days, to weeks.
22:50:32[Saint]the iPod _must_ remain powered during this time.
22:50:47[Saint]If it resets, or the battery drains before the scan completes, you will lose all progress and need to start again.
22:51:13Link8if thats recovered.. i can use the usable section for rockbox again?
22:52:00[Saint]this tool basically aggressively scans for and determines badblocks on the disk and builds a map of them that rockbox can use to avoid the damaged sections of the disk.
22:52:00[Saint]and, yes.
22:52:00Link8i see
22:52:21Link8so should i reformat the disc first before i do this?
22:52:21[Saint]before you ask - you would flash this tool via emCORE's UMSboot function.
22:52:48Link8and how do i do that exactly?
22:52:48[Saint]and, no, it makes no difference if the disk is formatted or not really.
22:53:35Link8im not sure how to run the prog
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22:53:36[Saint]boot to emCORE main menu, plug USB, select UMSboot, copy the hddscan2.ubi file to the UMSboot volume on the host, safely eject the volume, then unplug the device.
22:53:52[Saint]the tool will run automatically.
22:54:19[Saint]as stated this will take a VERY long time to complete the scan.
22:54:37[Saint]During which time the ipod will make a wide variety of ugly sounding clicks and noises.
22:54:37[Saint]This is normal.
22:54:52Link8ok im going to this step by step
22:54:52[Saint]ANd remember it _must_ be powered for the full duration of the scan, even if it takes days or weeks.
22:54:59[Saint]If the device loses power or is reset before it completes all progress is lost.
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22:56:53Link8ok sec not sure if im doing this right
22:56:57Link8gonna do it step by step
22:57:02Link8will i see a progress bar?
22:58:52[Saint]well...yes and no.
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22:59:46[Saint]you'll see a current progress map of the block being scanned, the next block to be scanned, the last block to be scanned, and the results for each, and total blocks scanned and remaining (this will fluctuate, this is normal).
23:00:13Link8what do you boot to emcore mean menu?
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23:00:24[Saint]hold any key during boot.
23:00:42Link8so plug in the ipod first?
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23:01:17[Saint]you don't have to, but you can.
23:01:28Link8how do i select UMSboot?
23:02:22[Saint]Tools; UMSboot, from memory.
23:02:41Link8so Run UMSboot
23:03:03Link8i see it
23:03:18Link8the UMSboot
23:04:01Link8i pasted it
23:04:22Link8now eject UMSboot right?
23:05:44Link8its goind [Saint]
23:05:45Link8its going
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23:06:10[Franklin]now get a UPS and make sure it stays powered up ;)
23:06:10[Saint]well, keep it powered. see you in a a few hours/days/weeks.
23:06:24[Saint]interruptible power supply
23:07:19Link8so what happends when the scan is done
23:07:20Link8does it filter out all the bad sections?
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23:09:40Link8what does the tool actually do
23:09:55Link8when its done scanning
23:10:15[Franklin]I think it makes a list of bad blocks
23:10:59Link8so is it fixed when its done scanning?
23:11:00Link8what do i do with the bad blocks
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23:16:27Link8[Saint] ?
23:16:39Link8what happends when the scan is done? is it fixed then
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23:17:58[Saint]not "fixed", no. but there will be a map of current badblocks that rockbox can use to know which sections of the disk to avoid.
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23:19:26[Franklin]what if the bad block list is written to a bad block?
23:19:35[Saint]it wouldn;t get written out to a bad block, but, it's entirely possible that it could be resident on one or more future bad bloacks.
23:19:47[Saint]shit happens.
23:20:14*[Saint] notes that this is what he meant earlier when he referred to the disks "suicidal" firmware.
23:20:29[Franklin][Saint]: where's the source for that tool?
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23:20:40Link8so if its completed [Saint] i can just reinstall rockbox on it again using rockbox utility?
23:21:26[Saint]you will first need to reinstall emcore, since you just replaced emcore with hddscan2, but, yes.
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23:23:55[Saint][Franklin]: honestly, I'm not sure.
23:24:13*[Franklin] can't seem to find it in the freemyipod tree
23:24:24[Saint]you can see most of where emcore reacts to the bad block map in emcore/tools/genbbt IIRC.
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23:25:42[Franklin]maybe that /is/ the source
23:26:05[Franklin]actually nvm
23:27:23Link8what happends if i reformat the disk again [Saint]
23:27:33Link8will the scan info be lost to emcore then?
23:28:10[Saint]if you format it from within emcore, no. if you format it with an external tool or restore the original firmware, yes.
23:28:26Link8i see
23:29:20[Saint]looking at the source it seems you'll be fucked if the block map doesn't fit in 2052KiB, but, if you blew out that range you wouldn't have very much usable disk left anyway...
23:29:22Link8thanks [Saint] hope this works
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23:29:52Link8dont understand what youre saying
23:30:15Link8you don tthink it will have much usable disk left?
23:30:42[Franklin]"if you have a ton of bad blocks, you're screwed, but it won't matter much"
23:30:52[Saint]right, that.
23:31:10Link8why wont it matter much?
23:31:59[Franklin]because you'll have so few usable blocks, you won't be able to store much data
23:32:44Link8lets hope i wont have many bad blocks then
23:33:19Link8so if i click properties on the drive, is there a way to see how much space i can still use?
23:33:28Link8the disc is 160 gb
23:33:33Link8if i click 160 gb
23:33:40Link8will i still see 160gb available?
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23:33:55Link8or is there a way to see whats available after the bad blocks
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23:41:11Link8the life on this ipod was shit
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23:44:18Link8goodnight guys
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