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#rockbox log for 2016-03-03

00:01:39[Saint]soap: Oh, I'm sorry, I misread a couple of the URLs. It /is the dualboot installer.
00:02:14[Saint]But a fairly ancient version thereof.
00:05:07[Saint]Makes me wonder why the user is electing to do this manually when anyone that searches even slightly on the forum would be able to find archives from either myself or from user890104 containing prebuilt RbUtil binaries (mine has windows /and/ linux!) that will walk a user through the install with a really neat semi-automated flow.
00:06:26[Saint]the last time I built all that is here if anyone's interested: http://www.datafilehost.com/d/81532252
00:06:44[Saint](people tell me that site sucks without adblocking, but, why would you not use adblocking?)
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00:21:10soap[Saint], If you don't have a reddit account I'll echo your words, but I know nothing of the iPod Classic port
00:23:07[Saint]I do, but, errr...lets say not one that I'm particularly comfortable with drawing a straight line between it and [Saint], if you will. ;)
00:23:34soapI have like 12
00:24:08[Saint]Basically, the TL;DR version is: If people want to help here they should be using bleeding edge code, not that ancient chunk of it, and using the RbUtil integration and coming here the ver second anything acts even slightly squirly.
00:24:22soapThat's not going to sell.
00:24:50soapFor the person (who received Gold for that submission) is offering something you are not, which is dual boot.
00:25:27[Saint]Oh contrare.
00:25:53[Saint]That person isn't offering shit, they didn't /do/ anything, it's just the bootloader has dualboot support.
00:26:03soapsemantics.
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00:26:40[Saint]what I'm saying is that if they used the later version and used rbutil they would /also/ have dualboot and be testing current code and not have to install manually.
00:26:54soapIf "we" want to discourage people from running ancient cobbled together messes simply saying "that technique is old code you'll get no formal support for" won't be enough.
00:27:19soapTHAT is a different story. Link to put in the comment?
00:28:19[Saint]it is spelled out in the gerrit task and the linked gerrit tasks (that 'bundle' version he links has been dropped in favor of separate patches ready for mainline integration).
00:29:35soapthis? gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/1221/ task?
00:30:18[Saint]the Rbutil integration basically goes "hey, an iPod Classic - I know this" and walks thew user through DFU mode and then does everything for them.
00:30:30[Saint]yes - though perhaps not obviously 'dual bootloader'
00:30:33soapincluding the gerrit patches?
00:31:27soapor is the "Reddit Path" the only path to Muñoz code w/o coming here and begging for a build?
00:32:43[Saint]I guess it's a difference of opinion but at that stage I'd kinda prefer that people did that.
00:33:08soapWhich is fine and good, but a hard case to argue on Reddit.
00:33:14[Saint]This is already one, not wrong, but outdated as soon as it existed, install flow and linked build that will linger for all eternity on Reddit to make our lives more difficult.
00:35:35soapI hear you on that, but I'm not sure clamping on noise is an effective mode of increasing SNR.
00:35:49soapEspecially when the noise comes from the wilderness. :(
00:40:08soapLet me attempt to clarify through rephrasing. I'm not sure swatting at noise is effective. We have no power in /r/Rockbox
00:40:11[Saint]Yeah, you're right. I'm on pre-crime duty I guess. I shouldn't be. But this crap hit Freemyipod/emCORE pretty hard - but it is short sighted to think it won't happen with this.
00:40:31soapand I'm not sure we're offering an easier path, so we have no carrot we have no stick.
00:40:58[Saint]The only thing I guess I can try holler into the wild is that I would really like it if people were using current code and testing out the RbUtil integration.
00:41:12[Saint]Especially if they come and talk to us if shit gets fucky.
00:41:19[Saint]Because that is actually useful.
00:45:23soap"While I know that the Rockbox project seems quiet and #Rockbox on IRC is not as busy as it used to be, as a general practice Rockbox really really dislikes instruction posts like this.
00:45:23soapI'm going to hang someone out to dry, but come see [Saint] in #rockbox if you want build help or want to discuss The Right Way to be satisfying this understandable need."
00:45:29soaptoo much for a post?
00:45:47soaphuh, words missing the cut/paste
00:46:31soapthat was paragraph 1 and 3. Here is paragraph 2: .
00:46:47soapr/Rockbox is not only "outside the fold" but now there is a google-searchable stand-alone link to dated code left in a contextless void where readers are not made aware of the fact that RBUtil integration of the aforementioned patches is currently being worked on and that people can ask for help using the **proper** tools and methods.
00:49:00[Saint]That is exceptionally well written.
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22:30:20tertuso, it appears that the "security" on the fiio X1 is a bit of a joke
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23:07:39pamaurytertu: I was not aware that the fiio had a "security" ?
23:07:58tertudidn't it have some silly xor trick
23:08:05tertuon the firmware?
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23:23:47pamaurytertu: yes, I wouldn't call that security at this level :)
23:24:42tertuso, you're at the place where you can run some code on it, right? the wiki wasn't totally clear (and i know this could be obnoxious, i'm more curious than anything else)
23:30:36pamauryyes we can run code on it (in fact running code is absolutely trivial on this device thanks to the boot rom usb mode), but at the moment I'm using this boot rom usb mode to read/write registers and try to make the lcd work
23:30:50pamaury(so running code on the pc rather than on the device)

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