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| 02:17:27 | * | __builtin needs to work this problem out |
| 02:17:47 | __builtin | I have a list of strings I want to appear as options in a rockbox menu |
| 02:17:51 | __builtin | (plugin) |
| 02:19:41 | [Saint_] | why should rockbox care about a plugin in such a fashion? |
| 02:19:51 | [Saint_] | it's a plugin precisely because it doesn't touch the system. |
| 02:23:24 | [Saint_] | I can't think of a single plugin that is capable of modifying the system in this fashion. |
| 02:23:40 | [Saint_] | You'd also make translation all sorts of fucky. |
| 02:23:46 | [Saint_] | and voice. |
| 02:24:10 | [Saint_] | I mean...sorry, it's just weird. |
| 02:24:38 | [Saint_] | Dat ain't be how plugins do. |
| 02:27:57 | __builtin | well, alright |
| 02:28:03 | * | __builtin will write his own menu then |
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| 02:52:16 | [Saint_] | Holy shit I hate this ypr* toolchain soooooo much. |
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| 03:10:57 | __builtin | is there an AES implementation anywhere in rockbox? |
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| 03:56:55 | __builtin | yay, got HOTP working :D |
| 03:57:06 | __builtin | now time to test it with my github |
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| 04:08:39 | __builtin | seems like HOTP doesn't work |
| 04:19:22 | __builtin | well, fixed it :D |
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| 05:15:48 | __builtin | ok, pushed TOTP support |
| 05:16:18 | __builtin | need a manual entry, I guess |
| 05:20:28 | [Saint] | TOTP when the system clock can be so easily reset and the synchronization isn't managed externally scares the crap out of me. |
| 05:20:37 | [Saint] | Does it not you? |
| 05:22:55 | [Saint] | Leave the device turned off for a month, get the predictable RTC drift almost every target suffers from to some extent, and then OTP falls over on you? |
| 05:23:03 | __builtin | well, I could have a warning to check the system clock within 30 seconds |
| 05:23:15 | [Saint] | 30s is a huge margin. |
| 05:25:08 | __builtin | usually the server accepts just-expired and future codes within a margin too |
| 05:25:39 | __builtin | so the clock really only needs to be within +/- 45 or so seconds from the server time |
| 05:25:49 | [Saint] | that's true, but they're also usually not using their own time sources. |
| 05:26:12 | [Saint] | TOTP methods usually agree on an external time source, no? |
| 05:26:49 | __builtin | but usually that's a source a user can easily synchronize with |
| 05:27:24 | __builtin | a.k.a. unix time |
| 05:28:14 | __builtin | so TOTP should work, the user just needs to be reminded to sync the clock |
| 05:31:42 | [Saint] | I guess you don't carry a smartphone. |
| 05:31:46 | [Saint] | +? |
| 05:32:27 | __builtin | of course I could use gauth |
| 05:32:32 | [Saint] | I delegate this shit to my phone, no need to micromanage the system clock, or even have the system clock even set - as it is easy to agree on an external time source there. |
| 05:33:26 | __builtin | on the devices with an RTC, it's usually reasonably accurate, no? |
| 05:34:24 | [Saint] | You mean RB devices when you say that? |
| 05:34:39 | __builtin | yes |
| 05:35:04 | * | [Saint] rummages through the drawer of DAPs. |
| 05:35:56 | [Saint] | At a random selection of devices, that I'm pretty confident were all time synced at some point fairly recently, I can see anywhere from 2~17 minutes drift. |
| 05:36:53 | [Saint] | ipod6g is the only one that is fast, though. the rest are all slow. |
| 05:37:11 | [Saint] | If you're regularly checking the system clock on the device it shouldn't be a problem. |
| 05:38:38 | __builtin | [Saint]: do you mind testing the plugin and giving some feedback? |
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| 06:26:50 | duo8 | does rockbox skip the track if it can't read more? |
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| 06:48:49 | [Saint] | duo8: Hmm? |
| 06:49:14 | duo8 | Some of the tracks skip randomly |
| 06:49:31 | duo8 | I think it might not be able to read them or something |
| 06:49:54 | duo8 | (the files are not corrupted btw) |
| 06:50:12 | [Saint] | How have you verified that? |
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| 07:26:56 | duo8 | If I come back to play it later (after a reboot I think), it plays normally |
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| 13:22:10 | lnxnx | The guy who accidentally bathed his Clip+ yesterday. I just want to share a success story with you. I disassembled it (except I perhaps should have fully unfoiled the battery), left it to dry overnight and in the morning sun, and it appears to be fine, recording, filesystem, and all. |
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| 13:22:35 | lnxnx | The battery seems to deplete a bit faster, but that's not a problem, they're really replaceable. |
| 13:22:39 | lnxnx | Sansas are awesome. |
| 13:23:06 | lnxnx | I've been running it for the last two hours, too. |
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| 13:33:57 | rela | nice :) |
| 13:34:13 | rela | my clip zip has problems with the buttons unfortunately |
| 13:35:48 | lnxnx | What exactly? |
| 13:35:52 | lnxnx | Perhaps there are software workarounds. |
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| 14:24:56 | Horrorcat | pamaury: is there a keybinding for charge-only USB on the X-Fi 3? |
| 14:25:13 | Horrorcat | (on the h3xx, I could hold down Record to prevent it from going into mass storage mode) |
| 14:25:15 | pamaury | holding any key when you plug usb |
| 14:25:40 | Horrorcat | ah nice |
| 14:26:00 | cela | my clip+ battery is still good, but considering all the recent power saving improvements, i'm thinking about replacing it with a supercap when it finally dies, wonder if anyone else has thought of trying this? |
| 14:26:05 | pamaury | by the way I pushed the fix for headphone detection, and other things, feel free to try to lastest nightly |
| 14:26:27 | Horrorcat | a nice |
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| 14:34:26 | lnxnx | What will headphone detection enable, pamaury? |
| 14:35:04 | pamaury | lnxnx: it's on zenxfi3, but generally it enables to pause/resume on headphone unplug |
| 14:35:25 | lnxnx | I see, that's good. |
| 14:35:29 | Horrorcat | (and non-resume on power up if no headphones are plugged in) |
| 14:35:41 | pamaury | it could also enable switch from headphone to speaker, even thoigh I have no implemented that (and obviously your player would need a speaker) |
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| 14:36:04 | Horrorcat | as long as it is turn-off-able. speakers are the worst ;-) |
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| 14:37:22 | pamaury | yeah the quality is pretty bad |
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| 15:09:21 | duo8 | i wish i can get these awesome obscure players |
| 15:10:02 | Horrorcat | obscure? |
| 15:14:13 | duo8 | 90% of the supported players |
| 15:14:28 | Horrorcat | ebay helped me twice |
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| 16:22:17 | * | pamaury just realized the whole sd+mmc debug code is essentially broken, apps/ assumes sd XOR mmc, no wonder why the sdmmc debug screen displays garbage |
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| 17:18:55 | pamaury | why on earth are so many drivers called ata-sd or ata-mmc ? |
| 17:19:20 | pamaury | it does not make any sense, those are pure sd drivers ! |
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| 18:17:47 | * | pamaury is trying to fix the sd/mmc mess once and for all |
| 18:18:13 | pamaury | gevaerts: do you know if someone still has an ondio ? |
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| 18:52:32 | pixelma | though I'm off for the evening probably |
| 18:53:20 | pamaury | ok there is no hurry, it would just be nice if you want try a patch for me later. It touches mmc code and I am trying not to break ondio ;) |
| 18:53:49 | pixelma | pamaury: ^ but I still have my Ondio, haven't updated Rockbox for a long while... yes that would be nice |
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| 18:57:50 | Horrorcat | pamaury: I updated my rockbox just now; works fine with current master (headphone plug/unplug). microSD is also working fine for me up to now :-) |
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| 18:59:01 | pamaury | this week-end I am also working on a long standing issue of microsd speed, currently my code does not put SD card in high-speed mode because some braindead SD card fail. Hopefully my new code will be able to activate it on most card |
| 18:59:24 | Horrorcat | :) |
| 18:59:36 | Horrorcat | though, this card is also horribly slow in my noteboko, I’m not sure I will notice a difference |
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| 21:03:06 | pamaury | it would be nice to have some feedback on g#1330 |
| 21:03:07 | fs-bluebot_ | Gerrit review #1330 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1330 : Rework sd/mmc handling by Amaury Pouly |
| 21:03:40 | pamaury | gevaerts: pixelma: wodz: ^ |
| 21:03:59 | pamaury | (I am still in the process of converting ondio code, should be added soon) |
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| 21:14:10 | lebellium | pamaury: I see you reworked debug menu. On Fuze+ there is still the crash when exiting the touchpad debug menu |
| 21:14:25 | pamaury | lebellium: yes I know, I know the reason for the crash |
| 21:14:44 | pamaury | it is fixed in g#1314 |
| 21:14:45 | fs-bluebot_ | Gerrit review #1314 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1314 : fuze+: rewrite touchpad driver by Amaury Pouly |
| 21:14:57 | pamaury | which also contains a complete rewrite of the driver |
| 21:15:04 | lebellium | oh ok |
| 21:15:15 | pamaury | feel free to torture test it by the way ;) |
| 21:16:12 | lebellium | I hate touchpads, I don't know if I want to test it :D |
| 21:16:25 | pamaury | haha, sure |
| 21:17:04 | pamaury | if you have lots of sd card, you could test g#1331 |
| 21:17:05 | fs-bluebot_ | Gerrit review #1331 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1331 : imx233: enable high-speed mode on sd cards by Amaury Pouly |
| 21:17:45 | lebellium | I have a few ones yes |
| 21:18:05 | lebellium | what is this high speed mode? |
| 21:18:45 | Horrorcat | pamaury: where would be a noticable difference though? |
| 21:20:31 | pamaury | lebellium: basically it enables faster access to the sd card (assuming it is fast enough of course). Without it you are limited to 10MB/s (which translates to ~8MB/s over usb). With it, you can reached 20MB/s in theory (and around 18MB/s on usb I guess) |
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| 21:21:21 | lebellium | okay, I have a few class 10 cards which should be fast enough to see a difference |
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| 21:21:56 | pamaury | you can do two tests: use test_disk plugin |
| 21:22:03 | pamaury | or over usb, transfer large amount of data |
| 21:23:53 | pamaury | lebellium: I would advise to try all cards, even the slow ones |
| 21:24:00 | pamaury | those are the most likely to be broken |
| 21:24:11 | lebellium | ok |
| 21:26:51 | lebellium | I just wait for your latest commit to be available in Rockbox Utility |
| 21:28:32 | pamaury | lebellium: g#1331 is not committed yet, you will need to compile it yourself |
| 21:28:33 | fs-bluebot_ | Gerrit review #1331 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1331 : imx233: enable high-speed mode on sd cards by Amaury Pouly |
| 21:28:37 | pamaury | (or I can upload a build) |
| 21:28:42 | lebellium | oh... |
| 21:28:47 | lebellium | I guess I'm too tired |
| 21:29:03 | lebellium | or maybe I wanted to try with the current build to see there difference |
| 21:29:12 | pamaury | ah yes good point |
| 21:29:16 | Horrorcat | pamaury: does it affect the X-Fi 3 too? I can test with the one micro SD I have |
| 21:29:22 | pamaury | Horrorcat: yes it does |
| 21:29:41 | pamaury | in fact it also affects ZEN X-Fi3 internal storage too |
| 21:29:50 | pamaury | (but this one is really slow iirc) |
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| 21:30:12 | Horrorcat | it is slow as hell, yes. that’s why it might be interesting :-) |
| 21:30:16 | Horrorcat | I’ll take a look at it tomorrow |
| 21:31:36 | lebellium | pamaury: shoud I wait until you fixed the 5 errors or it's not relevant ? |
| 21:32:48 | pamaury | it's just fixed ;) |
| 21:33:37 | lebellium | test_disk: "incompatible version" |
| 21:33:54 | pamaury | make sure you rebuild everything |
| 21:34:09 | pamaury | (I guess you only changed rockbox.sansa ?) |
| 21:34:37 | lebellium | no |
| 21:34:53 | lebellium | I downloaded 6d124c7 with RButil |
| 21:36:16 | pamaury | ah, I think test_disk is only build if you enable it |
| 21:36:29 | lebellium | ? |
| 21:36:32 | pamaury | (ie it's not in the build you downloaded, that must be a leftover from an old version) |
| 21:36:39 | lebellium | pfff |
| 21:36:45 | pamaury | so you need to recompile it yourself and enable test plugins in configure |
| 21:36:56 | pamaury | yeah I'm sorry |
| 21:37:18 | lebellium | why is it listed in the standard build then |
| 21:38:05 | pamaury | is it ? |
| 21:38:37 | lebellium | yes, otherwise I couldn't select it and get the "incompatible version" message :) |
| 21:38:52 | pamaury | no you misunderstand |
| 21:39:00 | pamaury | you unpacked rockbox.zip, it overwrote all files |
| 21:39:15 | pamaury | but test_disk was already there and no in rockbox.zip, so not touched |
| 21:39:40 | lebellium | ah so probably traces from an old build I compiled myself? |
| 21:40:48 | pamaury | yes |
| 21:41:55 | [Saint] | There's no easy way to combat that, either. |
| 21:42:12 | [Saint] | We've even done this to ourselves accidentally a few times deprecating things. |
| 21:53:30 | __builtin | which targets lack a RTC? |
| 21:56:09 | [Saint] | I'm on a bus right now, but, I'll hazard a guess that grep is your friend. |
| 21:56:43 | [Saint] | there'll almost certainly be one or more obvious defines for this. |
| 21:57:02 | __builtin | can I have grep search for strings not in a file? |
| 21:57:13 | * | __builtin needs to find headers without CONFIG_RTC |
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| 22:00:05 | pamaury | __builtin: grep −−files-without-match |
| 22:00:44 | pamaury | there are plenty, like ../firmware/export/config/ipod1g2g.h |
| 22:01:20 | __builtin | ok, thanks :D |
| 22:04:07 | __builtin | is there a script that builds a simulator for every target? |
| 22:05:03 | lebellium | pamaury: ok, started testing sd cards with current build and later with patched build |
| 22:07:54 | pamaury | __builtin: no, but you can use http://git.rockbox.org/?p=www.git;a=blob;f=buildserver/builds;h=eda485a3e0c67d5d080df605a61d6c4ba5420779;hb=HEAD |
| 22:08:02 | [Saint] | __builtin: not that I am aware of. |
| 22:08:10 | pamaury | a bit of grep to list of sim builds and then awk to get to get the configure line |
| 22:08:16 | pamaury | you almost have your script :) |
| 22:08:17 | [Saint] | But building a sim to test out RTC isn;t really going to work as you might intend it. |
| 22:08:36 | [Saint] | WHen it is provided by the host and uses the same subsystem for everything...kinda invalidates it. |
| 22:08:58 | [Saint] | A single hosted target is likely entirely sufficient. |
| 22:09:06 | __builtin | it seems like I broke the UI sim |
| 22:09:54 | __builtin | http://pastebin.com/qXGc55ws |
| 22:10:49 | [Saint] | what the... |
| 22:11:20 | pamaury | __builtin: what did you change ? |
| 22:11:27 | __builtin | this is vanilla with just the OTP plugin (G#1323) |
| 22:11:28 | fs-bluebot_ | Gerrit review #1323 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1323 : One-Time Password client (HOTP and TOTP) by Franklin Wei |
| 22:11:44 | __builtin | it's not linking with SDL, I think |
| 22:11:45 | [Saint] | also - your -j flag not being an even multiple is freaking me out, man. |
| 22:12:07 | __builtin | what's wrong with -j3? |
| 22:12:16 | pamaury | I always use -j3, it works well |
| 22:12:30 | pamaury | __builtin: can you try without parallel build ? |
| 22:12:35 | pamaury | it may be a build problem |
| 22:13:10 | [Saint] | I always use -j<core_multipled_by_four> |
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| 22:13:22 | pamaury | what??? this is crazy |
| 22:14:41 | pamaury | at on my machine it completely screws up the build time, I guess it spend a lot of time going from one cc to another |
| 22:14:46 | __builtin | I get the same thing with a totally new build |
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| 22:15:04 | __builtin | new directory, new configure |
| 22:16:15 | __builtin | no -j flag, either |
| 22:16:31 | __builtin | can I have make print what commands it runs? |
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| 22:18:45 | [Saint] | not that I am aware of without a fair amount of manual fuckery. |
| 22:19:12 | pamaury | __builtin: yes you can |
| 22:19:15 | pamaury | MAKE V=1 iirc |
| 22:19:46 | [Saint] | Hmmm, I stand corrected, thank you. |
| 22:20:30 | pamaury | although I admit it is far from obvious when you read the makefiles |
| 22:21:15 | __builtin | http://pastebin.com/dEE146T8 |
| 22:21:25 | __builtin | no -lSDL |
| 22:21:48 | __builtin | so now the question is why isn't it using -lSDL |
| 22:24:19 | [Saint] | 'which libsdl1.2-dev'? |
| 22:24:45 | [Saint] | Is it possible you've fucked up your environment through a kludged upgrade? |
| 22:25:41 | [Saint] | errr, shit, not which. |
| 22:25:50 | __builtin | http://pastebin.com/6VUVmUny |
| 22:25:53 | [Saint] | Ummm...the command I want to remember, yeah, that. DO that. |
| 22:25:58 | pamaury | __builtin: what is the output of pkg-config −−libs sdl |
| 22:26:11 | __builtin | pkg-config −−libs sdl |
| 22:26:13 | __builtin | -lSDL -lpthread |
| 22:27:18 | [Saint] | I want to say this is some form of environment issue from leftovers of a partial upgrade. |
| 22:27:26 | [Saint] | what distro is this? |
| 22:27:29 | pamaury | __builtin: and sdl-config −−libs |
| 22:28:37 | __builtin | -L/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread |
| 22:29:19 | __builtin | arch |
| 22:29:32 | [Saint] | interesting. |
| 22:30:03 | [Saint] | makes it trickier somewhat, bah. |
| 22:31:48 | lebellium | pamaury: testing 11 cards for you :) |
| 22:32:00 | [Saint] | looks like this could be yet another of the wide and varied "bouncing off modern g++" type errors. |
| 22:32:20 | pamaury | __builtin: so you say -lSDL is not found on the final linking command ? |
| 22:32:30 | pamaury | that's odd |
| 22:32:50 | pamaury | lebellium: great, thank you :) |
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| 22:38:12 | pamaury | __builtin: some make hacking might be needed to understand why |
| 22:40:06 | pamaury | __builtin: can you pastebin the generated Makefile ? |
| 22:40:13 | pamaury | and the output of configure ? |
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| 23:08:20 | [Saint] | I /think/ I might have an understanding. |
| 23:08:35 | [Saint] | But I would also like the aforementioned pastes. |
| 23:18:38 | lebellium | pamaury: should I send you the results at your gmail? |
| 23:21:33 | pamaury | lebellium: email or pastebin as you like |
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| 23:30:13 | lebellium | pamaury: email sent |
| 23:32:38 | pamaury | lebellium: if it is not too much to ask, could you a quick comparison over usb ? Like taking the 3 top speed cards |
| 23:33:07 | pamaury | (if you do, be sure to transfer something to the sd card of course) |
| 23:36:12 | [Saint] | would you not want to make sure that you're flushing caches between each test also? |
| 23:36:24 | [Saint] | (you probably were - but, in case you weren't) |
| 23:37:02 | pamaury | linux flushes caches when you disconnect a device |
| 23:37:21 | pamaury | of course you need to perform the test only once for a particular one you are right |
| 23:37:31 | pamaury | otherwise your card might read at 6GB/s ;) |
| 23:39:47 | lebellium | pamaury: too late now |
| 23:39:51 | lebellium | maybe tomorrow |
| 23:40:00 | pamaury | ok, thanks |
| 23:40:25 | lebellium | which kind of file should I test? |
| 23:41:21 | lebellium | I will test with Windows 7. I only use Linux to compile rockbox |
| 23:43:59 | pamaury | lebellium: just transfer a big file and report the speed. On linux I would advise dd if=<path to sd> bs=1M count=100 of=/dev/null |
| 23:44:37 | lebellium | I just said I won't use linux :) |
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| 23:46:35 | pamaury | lebellium: I know, it's just to give you an idea :-p |
| 23:46:51 | pamaury | I don't use window, so I have no idea what would be the "equivalent" |
| 23:46:59 | [Saint] | Not much of a transferable one, sadly. |
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| 23:47:17 | [Saint] | There is a "dd" for Windows, but, it is absolutely batshit insane for writing to block devices. |
| 23:47:26 | [Saint] | Actually...any path, really. |
| 23:48:06 | [Saint] | This man recommends avoiding it like the plague. |
| 23:49:34 | pamaury | I don't know then, I would say put a big file on the sd card (like 500MB) once. Then copy it from sd to desktop, it should take a while, just see what is the average transfer speed. I am sure windows can do that |
| 23:52:10 | lebellium | ok, let's see that tomorrow |
| 23:52:23 | lebellium | I use Linux in VirtualBox so USB is a pain |
| 23:52:31 | lebellium | that's why I would use windows |
| 23:53:20 | [Saint] | and host passthrough wouldn't provide anywhere near realistic results anyway. |
| 23:53:47 | [Saint] | I didn't realize you meant in a container. |
| 23:54:01 | [Saint] | knowing now, yeah, don't bother. |
| 23:54:23 | lebellium | :) |
| 23:54:25 | lebellium | good night |
| 23:54:31 | [Saint] | o/ |
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| 23:55:16 | pamaury | ah explains everything |
| 23:55:32 | [Saint] | host passthrough getting in the way? |
| 23:56:15 | [Saint] | I'm missing the context, but, I can't imagine a virtualized environment being ideal for testing anything USB related. |
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