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#rockbox log for 2016-05-30

00:13:57	[Saint]	That we got away with http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20160526#12:10:35 for so long is a testament to something.
00:14:09	[Saint]	I'm not sure what...but, it's something.
00:15:02	[Saint]	the idea that commit/discard happened to appear to work for so long without a very obvious sign seems weird to me.
00:15:11	__builtin	pamaury: sorry, but here: https://www.fwei.tk/temp.txt
00:15:18	__builtin	(pastebin is detecting it as spam)
00:15:48	[Saint]	y'know all you need to do then is do the "I am not a bot" thing, right?
00:16:04	[Saint]	And it'll preserve it knowing you're a human for that entire session.
00:16:47	__builtin	it's still easier to run a cat << EOF > ... than it is to enable javascript and complete the captcha
00:17:46	[Saint]	question:
00:17:46	[Saint]	does this magically sort itself out if you hand edit LDOPTS manually to pass the options and singles?
00:17:47	[Saint]	ie.
00:18:10	[Saint]	export LDOPTS="-lm", "-ldl", "-lpthread"
00:18:16	pamaury	[Saint]: I am not entirely surprised: there were lots of random bugs with the driver. The cache is small and fills quickly, you can get lucky very often
00:18:35	[Saint]	pamaury: apparently we got lucky _always_.
00:18:43	__builtin	let's see
00:18:58	pamaury	[Saint]: what do you mean ? I remember a number of people reporting problem with the driver
00:19:32	__builtin	yes
00:19:33	[Saint]	pamaury: my experience with it was it either worked entirely, or not at all.
00:19:35	__builtin	:D
00:19:41	[Saint]	Winner winner.
00:19:50	*	[Saint] 's theory was right.
00:19:54	pamaury	__builtin: there must be a problem with the configure script
00:19:58	__builtin	yeah, let's see
00:19:58	[Saint]	We're bouncing off modern g++
00:19:59	pamaury	findsdl() more precisely
00:20:29	[Saint]	Holy shit, I'm quite proud of myself now. Heh.
00:20:53	pamaury	[Saint]: I don't understand, I am not seeing -lSDL in your LDOPTS, how can it work ?
00:21:41	*	__builtin added it
00:21:44	__builtin	manually
00:21:46	pamaury	ah, right
00:22:43	pamaury	__builtin: could you edit the configure script and run it ?
00:22:57	[Saint]	Yes, sorry, I wasn't very specific there.
00:23:11	[Saint]	I'm actually kinda surprised Franklin knew what page I was on.
00:23:14	pamaury	more precisely, at line 334, there is a "sdl=`findsdl $winbuild`". I would suggest to add "echo $sdl" after it
00:23:40	pamaury	rerun configure and pastebin the output of the configure script
00:25:50	__builtin	https://www.fwei.tk/temp.txt
00:27:09	pamaury	__builtin: sorry, I meant what the configure script output, not the generated Makefile
00:27:24	__builtin	it is the configure output (refresh) ;)
00:27:29	pamaury	ah my bad ;)
00:27:35	__builtin	could it be that I don't have static SDL libs?
00:27:43	pamaury	hum, ok so it detects /usr/bin/sdl-config
00:28:11	__builtin	I see that it calls sdl-config −−static-libs
00:28:17	pamaury	and what is the output of /usr/bin/sdl-config −−cflags and /usr/bin/sdl-config −−static-libs
00:28:28	__builtin	sdl-config −−static-libs
00:28:29	*	pamaury starts to spot the problem
00:28:29	__builtin	Usage: sdl-config [−−prefix[=DIR]] [−−exec-prefix[=DIR]] [−−version] [−−cflags] [−−libs]
00:28:31	__builtin	yeah
00:29:03	__builtin	could I change it to $sdl −−libs instead?
00:29:11	pamaury	I guess the idea of using static lib is for windows, but on linux this is a bad idea
00:29:59	pamaury	well you can just as a hack
00:30:31	pamaury	but I think the good thing (TM) to do, is for configure to run sdl-config −−static-libs and if it fails, fall back to /sdl-config −−clibs
00:31:06	__builtin	yeah
00:31:20	*	__builtin hates writing shell scripts
00:31:53	pamaury	__builtin: can you try this: replace line 345 (LDOPTS="$LDOPTS `$sdl −−static-libs`") by:
00:32:53	pamaury	if sdl-config −−static-libs &> /dev/null ; then
00:32:53	pamaury	LDOPTS="$LDOPTS `$sdl −−static-libs`"
00:32:53	pamaury	else
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00:32:53	pamaury	echo "Your sdl-config does not know about static libs, falling back to shared lib"
00:32:53	pamaury	LDOPTS="$LDOPTS `$sdl −−libs`"
00:32:55	pamaury	fi
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00:40:20	pamaury	__builtin: does that work ?
00:42:34	__builtin	hang on
00:45:16	__builtin	looks like it, from the makefile
00:45:26	__builtin	should I push a patch?
00:49:03	pamaury	yea push it to gerrit
00:49:16	__builtin	G#1332
00:49:17	fs-bluebot_	Gerrit review #1332 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1332 : Fix broken simulator build with new SDL by Franklin Wei
00:51:03	pamaury	I am not sure the issue is really with "new SDL" though, more "broken/strange sdl-config" ? Or you know something I don't ?
00:52:15	[Saint]	All the hints on this I could find, and what pointed me to looking at LDOPTS in the first place, was a bunch of people bouncing off very similar issues with modern g++
00:53:01	pamaury	but it has nothing to do with g++
00:53:01	[Saint]	There's a chance it was only anecdotally related and I just fluked it, though.
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00:53:19	*	pamaury fires a google search
00:54:44	__builtin	ok, amended the message
00:55:12	pamaury	__builtin: can you give me the output of pkg-config −−libs −−static sdl
00:55:20	pamaury	and also the putput of which sdl-config
00:55:34	*	pamaury has a bad feeling about this
00:55:35	__builtin	% pkg-config −−libs −−static sdl
00:55:37	__builtin	-lSDL -lpthread -lSDL -lpthread -lm -ldl -lpthread
00:55:53	__builtin	% which sdl-config
00:55:55	__builtin	/usr/bin/sdl-config
00:56:34	*	__builtin is pretty sure it's because of a change in SDL
00:56:50	__builtin	it worked before on this machine, I just reconfigured it today and it stopped working
00:57:53	pamaury	could this be an arch problem ?
00:58:02	__builtin	possibly
00:58:24	*	__builtin digs through the archlinux package logs
00:59:53	*	pamaury has a look at how lib is packaged on debian (where it works)
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01:01:11	__builtin	hmm, it says that the last update was in 2014
01:01:44	pamaury	ok, so on debian, based on this: https://anonscm.debian.org/git/pkg-sdl/packages/libsdl1.2.git/tree/sdl-config.in
01:01:44	pamaury	I conclude that −−static-libs only exists if static builds are enabled, so potentially it could fail, depending on your config/what the maintainer does
01:03:22	pamaury	maybe the arch maintainer simply decided not to enable static builds
01:09:47	pamaury	__builtin: I made a small mistake in the script
01:09:56	pamaury	it should be >/dev/null 2>&1
01:10:05	pamaury	because &> is not supported by all (ba)sh
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01:14:39	*	[Saint] is having some real issues understanding how the hell we managed to break natural sort order in playlists.
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01:42:11	__builtin	pamaury: got it
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02:15:22	__builtin	can anyone test G#1323 on hardware for me?
02:15:23	fs-bluebot_	Gerrit review #1323 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1323 : One-Time Password client (HOTP and TOTP) by Franklin Wei
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02:54:04	spacecase	Can I made the year of albums display in the database view?
02:54:46	[Saint]	There is a database view specifically for this.
02:54:51	[Saint]	So, yes, yes you can.
02:55:18	[Saint]	also - see the tagnavi format detailed in the manual and the wiki.
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03:33:48	spacecase	sorry, one more question. where's the setting to control the padding on text lines. found it once, can't find it again
03:47:27	[Saint]	that only exists on touchscreen devices, do you have one?
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10:04:49	armpitlady	hi peeps
10:05:21	armpitlady	I wanted to plant rockbox on the RUIZU X06. Can you help me with that?
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10:39:03	duo8	not practical afaik
10:39:11	duo8	oh wait X06
10:40:02	duo8	wait no same chip as x02
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13:29:32	Horrorcat	pamaury: no issues so far with the SD patch
13:29:45	pamaury	Horrorcat: ok thanks :)
13:30:36	Horrorcat	pamaury: I am working on a simple patch (still pending testing on the actual hardware because I have no cable) for the keymap of the zenxfi3.
13:30:52	pamaury	anyone has a thought on g#1332 ? I think it is safe to commit
13:30:53	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #1332 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1332 : Fix broken simulator build with weird sdl-config by Franklin Wei
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15:58:55	smellypuke	hi men, about that ruzio x06
15:59:06	smellypuke	RUIZU X06
15:59:22	smellypuke	can I patch it with rockbox?
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16:06:34	pamaury	smellypuke: we need to know the hardware
16:06:53	pamaury	but currently it is not supported, someone would need do to a port (if it is possible)
16:08:49	edhelas	pamaury: hey o/
16:09:03	pamaury	edhelas: hi
16:09:28	edhelas	thanks for the awesome work that you are doing on Rockbox :)
16:10:48	pamaury	thank you :) which device are you using ?
16:11:15	edhelas	an iPod mini before, now an iPod Photo, with a 32Gb sdcard in it
16:11:54	pamaury	I guess you should thank the one who did that port then, I am not responsible for this one ;)
16:11:58	smellypuke	hey pamaury
16:12:29	smellypuke	thanks for the amazing super mega beautiful work on rockbox you are so amazing
16:12:44	smellypuke	i'm using ruziou x06
16:12:58	edhelas	pamaury: also I found this ticket a couple of days ago, is it still something planned on the mid-long term ? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/11108
16:13:02	smellypuke	ruzuoiu
16:15:03	pamaury	smellypuke: as I said, if you cannot at least provide us with some information on the hardware, this is not going anywhere, you are the one with the device... One such way is to disassemble the player
16:15:41	smellypuke	i am a nigerian prince, and i want to donate 100,000 dollars to this project over western union, but i'm not sure yet. i just need to know if ruiozuizoiu x86 will be possible to use with rockbox. ONE LOVE.
16:16:04	edhelas	wtf
16:16:22	pamaury	edhelas: yes that's something I would like to eventually commit (although I have been saying that for several years now :-/). The major blocker is 1) is needs some cleanup 2) there is only one usb driver supported, thus it excluded a HUGE number of devices. Some target cannot support this anyway, but many could, just the code is not written
16:17:52	edhelas	what kind of devices would support this piece of code in the end ? is there something to do to adapt it to the several OS ? (especially regarding the audio part)
16:18:09	pamaury	smellypuke: is that some kind of joke ?
16:18:40	pamaury	edhelas: you mean using this on something else than rockbox ? do you have something specific in mind ?
16:18:54	edhelas	I'm wondering if a linux could directly detect the device as an external USB soundcard and allow to route audio to it
16:19:49	pamaury	ah yes that's the point, with this code the device appears as a usb soundcard, you get out of the box support on windows and linux (provided your UI/audio stack/DE supports it)
16:19:58	edhelas	<3
16:20:55	smellypuke	pamaury, yes.
16:21:11	edhelas	do you think that your patch is still up to date ? can I apply it in the trunk ?
16:22:25	pamaury	well first I would base any work on g#1009 (that's a slightly more up to date version)
16:22:27	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #1009 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1009 : Add USB Audio 1.0 support (EXPERIMENTAL) by Amaury Pouly
16:22:40	smellypuke	i looked it up, and the developer doesn't provide us with any details of what's inside. there are no teardown pages, or videos about it either
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16:23:31	pamaury	edhelas: I doubt it applies as is to the trunk currently, but you can wait for one hour, I can try to make it compile at least
16:24:08	edhelas	pamaury: yeah that would be nice, I can try a iPod Photo/4G build as well and give you feedbacks
16:24:29	Horrorcat	pamaury: speaking of crazy ideas, have you looked into bluetooth?
16:25:59	PerRUIZUadAstra	it seems it has some serious problems with finding bluetooth devices though
16:26:23	PerRUIZUadAstra	anyone can recommend a bluetooth mp3 player?
16:26:32	pamaury	Horrorcat: bluetooth: yes and no. I discussed that some time ago and there are two big obstacles:
16:26:32	pamaury	1) rockbox has NO support for bt at all, it would have to be done from scratch (I don't think that's a huge work, but it is definitely some work)
16:26:32	pamaury	2) obviously you also need to write a driver for the bluetooth chip, and there are lots of variations, some are very high level, some very low level.
16:26:32	DBUG	Enqueued KICK pamaury
16:26:32	pamaury	On the ZEN-XFi3, I believe it would be on the easy side because the bt chip provides some high level commands
16:27:11	Horrorcat	interesting. not sure what "standard" applications for bluetooth would be. headsets probably
16:27:41	pamaury	well don't go crazy, most bt chip found in mp3 players only support headset profile ;)
16:28:00	pamaury	edhelas: ok, stay tuned for usb audio
16:28:09	Horrorcat	aww
16:30:24	PerRUIZUadAstra	how about bluetooth players themselves? anyone knows any good pieces?
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16:31:20	PerRUIZUadAstra	ruizu x06 seems to be the most popular bluetooth mp3 player on aliexpress, but its ui is horrible.
16:31:33	pamaury	the only recent player I know with bluetooth is Zen X-Fi3
16:31:43	pamaury	also the more expensive sony players have it I think
16:31:54	PerRUIZUadAstra	and the physical controls are poorly designed also
16:32:45	PerRUIZUadAstra	zen x-fi3... let me check it out!
16:33:08	PerRUIZUadAstra	200 bucks!
16:33:15	PerRUIZUadAstra	that's insane!!
16:34:15	pamaury	what, I bought it for 50 a long time ago ?! But it's probably discontinued now
16:37:49	pamaury	OMG, the usb audio patch still works on my fuze+
16:38:01	pamaury	I did not expect that
16:39:02	pamaury	it is not perfect though, sometimes the player seems to loose sync and the audio is garbage
16:40:09	edhelas	pamaury: awesome <3
16:40:43	pamaury	edhelas: so feel free to have a try at it, it should be supported on the ipodvideo. To enable it, first go to System > Debug > USB audio. It should show "USB audio enabled". Then plug usb.
16:40:52	pamaury	but don't expect any miracle
16:41:22	edhelas	yeah, I'll give a try, thanks, does it disable other features ? like usb transfer ?
16:42:24	pamaury	well, on some hardware you cannot enable usb transfer and audio at the same time. But in any case if you do not enable audio, transfer will work
16:42:35	pamaury	also note that you need to enable everytime you want to plug usb
16:42:53	gevaerts	You wan to run a rockbox simulator on the player's filesystem while playing back through the player? :)
16:43:14	edhelas	ok :)
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16:53:49	Saratoga	I tried out the new USB driver on the zip (at least I think it was enabled)
16:54:34	Saratoga	Couldn't reproduce an old crash that's completely reproducible on the old driver so that's nice
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16:55:17	Saratoga	Seems to generally work but didn't test too much yet
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17:38:16	Horrorcat	pamaury: I have a patch for the zenxfi3 keymap. https://paste.debian.net/712558/
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17:38:32	Horrorcat	I would put it on gerrit, but I fail to sign in.
17:39:46	pamaury	Horrorcat: what does it do ? I put the contexts menu on the menu button and the quickscreen in the WPS on the menu button ?
17:39:54	pamaury	but why this { ACTION_STD_MENU, BUTTON_POWER\|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_POWER}, ?
17:40:20	Horrorcat	I was missing a way to quickly return to the main menu
17:41:02	Horrorcat	I just now saw though that POWER is already used for something
17:41:32	Horrorcat	I saw that power (along with menu) was used in the quickscreen for cancelling, so I thought it might make sense
17:41:54	pamaury	yeah but the power button is not really nicely access on this device
17:42:14	Horrorcat	I have no strong feelings on the power keybinding, I was just following the pattern from quickscreen.
17:42:17	pamaury	also what do you think of exchange the two: short press for context menu/quickscreen and long press to return to menu ?
17:42:23	Horrorcat	makes totally sense to me
17:42:33	Horrorcat	might be better
17:42:51	pamaury	yeah I think so, let me have a go at it, I'll push it to gerrit so you can test
17:43:36	Horrorcat	great
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17:43:57	*	pamaury spots a few other weird things, probably some copy and paste
17:44:04	pamaury	this is stupid: { ACTION_STD_KEYLOCK, BUTTON_POWER, BUTTON_NONE },
17:44:11	pamaury	the target has a physical lock
17:44:21	*	pamaury maps power to cancel
17:44:41	pamaury	does that make sense ?
17:44:53	Horrorcat	maybe
17:44:58	pamaury	of maybe going back to menu ?
17:45:01	pamaury	*or
17:45:20	Horrorcat	not sure, I wouldn’t use it for either probably
17:45:54	pamaury	yeah, maybe it's better not to map it
17:46:16	Horrorcat	unmap it from the quickscreen then too?
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17:48:50	Horrorcat	yeah, I vote for leaving POWER unmapped as far as possible. I often hit it accidentally when un-locking
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17:50:21	pamaury	Horrorcat: there is already some code to temporarily disable the power button when unholding
17:50:27	Horrorcat	ah clever
17:50:41	pamaury	precisely because of this. When you unhold, the power button is disable for 1sec
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17:53:38	Horrorcat	hm, according to keymap-zenxfi3.c, POWER and long-POWER should be usable for switching USB HID modes. it doesn’t seem to do anything though; it doesn’t even turn on the screen backlight
17:53:50	Horrorcat	(when connected to USB while running)
17:53:55	pamaury	g#1335
17:53:56	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #1335 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1335 : zenxfi3: update keymap by Amaury Pouly
17:54:10	pamaury	ah, let me check
17:54:36	pamaury	you are right, does seem to do anything
17:54:48	pamaury	not sure why
17:56:47	Horrorcat	keymap works as expected
17:57:25	pamaury	ok, so let's commit g#1335 ?
17:57:27	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #1335 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1335 : zenxfi3: update keymap by Amaury Pouly
17:57:36	Horrorcat	I approve :-)
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17:59:34	pamaury	I will probably commit g#1333 and its dependencies soon enough. It's mostly an internal change but it might also slightly improve touch button responsiveness on the zenxfi3
17:59:35	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #1333 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1333 : zenxfi3: rewrite mpr121 driver by Amaury Pouly
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18:00:36	Horrorcat	does it require more testing?
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18:01:17	pamaury	well more testing is always better so if you don't mind compiling it and using the device with it that would be nice
18:01:42	Horrorcat	if it’s fine to use it with the updated keymap, sure
18:02:13	pamaury	yeah those are independent changes, you can cherry pick those on top of master
18:02:37	pamaury	(be sure to cherry pick all dependencies, so g#1313 at least)
18:02:39	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #1313 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1313 : imx233: rewrite i2c driver by Amaury Pouly
18:03:37	Horrorcat	does 'git pull git://git.rockbox.org/rockbox refs/changes/33/1333/3' on a fresh branch off master get me all I need?
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18:05:39	Horrorcat	doesn’t appearantly
18:06:59	pamaury	I would recommend cherry-picking g#1313 first and then g#1333
18:07:01	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #1313 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1313 : imx233: rewrite i2c driver by Amaury Pouly
18:07:01	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #1333 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1333 : zenxfi3: rewrite mpr121 driver by Amaury Pouly
18:07:16	Horrorcat	pamaury: did that, and 1334, and the keymap thing. built, zipped, unzipped, works for now
18:07:31	Horrorcat	going to test it more extensively by actually using the device tomorrow :-)
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18:55:31	Horrorcat	pamaury: any idea on the POWER button binding issue in the USB HID screen? also, has anyone ever used that presentation mode? it emits 'b' and 'q' keystrokes here, the former (un-)blanks the screen and the latter does nothing in atril (PDF viewer) in presenter mode
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19:30:25	edhelas	pamaury, here ?
19:30:35	edhelas	I'm trying to cherry pick your patch
19:30:59	edhelas	got this
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19:34:39	pamaury	edhelas: here, which target and which patch ?
19:34:50	Horrorcat	(I presume the USB audio thing)
19:34:59	edhelas	http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/1009/ on the target 20
19:35:05	edhelas	so iPod Color/Photo
19:35:29	pamaury	ah, I need to look into this
19:35:46	edhelas	can I help ?
19:36:52	armpitlady	anyone knows cheap, high quality, flat response, reference earphones?
19:37:06	armpitlady	on aliexpress
19:37:11	edhelas	armpitlady, intra auricular ?
19:37:31	edhelas	oh on aliexpress, don't know
19:37:37	armpitlady	yeah
19:37:51	armpitlady	well, tell me what you know
19:38:15	pamaury	edhelas: in firmware/target/usbstack/usb_audio.c, you can try to change #define BUFFER_SIZE 1023 to something smaller, like 300
19:41:03	edhelas	armpitlady, the CX-200 - CX-300 of Senheiser are quite affordable and great
19:42:08	armpitlady	hi fi earphones do not fit 3.5mm jacks and require additional amplification due to higher resistance?
19:42:14	armpitlady	that was a question :D
19:43:09	edhelas	pamaury, looks better :D
19:43:42	pamaury	edhelas: I cannot garantee it will work, making the buffer small might result in underflow
19:43:58	armpitlady	edhelas price is great, but they are not advertised as flat response. need to look them up on headphone.com laboratory
19:46:13	armpitlady	edhelas oh boy, this looks worse than russian roads
19:46:14	armpitlady	http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=1893&scale=30
19:47:10	edhelas	pamaury, I've juste replaced rockbox.ipod, is it ok ?
19:47:26	pamaury	edhelas: yes
19:47:35	edhelas	ok I see the option in the debug menu
19:47:49	edhelas	I've enabled it, plug the iPod but the computer doesn't seems to recognize it
19:48:10	edhelas	(as an audio card)
19:48:11	armpitlady	edhelas compare to these:
19:48:12	armpitlady	http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=2711&scale=30
19:48:41	edhelas	pamaury, oh actually my desktop computer does
19:49:06	armpitlady	i had these etymotics for reference. it's not for everyone. it's only for sound engineers because the sound will always be very cold, exact, but cold.
19:49:42	armpitlady	it's because originally all music is made with lowered bass because all the headphones, and earphones have that part boosted.
19:51:00	armpitlady	i gave my etymotics to a girl, and told her to give them back tomorrow, but she lives in another country, and she didn't even tell. true story. I'm so pissed. she just went off with my earphones. what an asshole.
19:51:02	edhelas	mhh weird pulseaudio doesn't see it
19:52:20	pamaury	edhelas: usually pulseaudio will happily detect it
19:52:56	edhelas	I just need to enable and plug the ipod ?
19:53:01	pamaury	yes
19:53:22	pamaury	you can double-check it is enabled by running lsusb -v -d <vid>:<pid>
19:53:33	pamaury	you can find the <vid>:<pid> by running lsusb
19:53:42	pamaury	you should see things related to audio
19:59:13	edhelas	ok, will check that in a moment, thx ;)
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20:15:37	Horrorcat	ah pamaury, I figured out why presentation HID mode emits such weird characters here: qwert[yz] ≠ neo. why were the scancodes n and p chosen for prev/next? don’t all presenters support arrow left/right?
20:15:48	Horrorcat	(which would most likely be more portable, as I know of no keyboard layout which remaps those)
20:15:58	Horrorcat	that said, is there someone else to ping with respect to that?
20:16:33	pamaury	Horrorcat: I would need to check but I am pretty sure it does not (or should not) emit regular querty codes
20:16:55	Horrorcat	I guess as a HID it emits scancodes.
20:16:57	pamaury	it emits special HID code that are related to presentation, but I can check that (later)
20:17:05	Horrorcat	ah
20:17:26	Horrorcat	hmm.... wonder why those seem to end up at 'n' and 'p' scancodes here, which get mapped to 'b' and 'q' keycodes by the neo layout.
20:23:53	pamaury	Horrorcat: oh my bad, those are indeed mapped to n and p
20:24:05	pamaury	the mapping is in apps/usb_keymap.c
20:24:30	pamaury	I admit this is odd
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20:25:34	Horrorcat	(usb_keymaps.c I presume)
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20:26:44	Horrorcat	pamaury: I think arrow-down/up or arrow-left/right make more sense
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20:26:53	Horrorcat	I have to check though, at least pdf-presenter-console interprets -left different than -up
20:29:01	Horrorcat	pamaury: yes, for pdfpc left and right would probably be the sanest. ideally with the option to support up and down separately on targets which have enough buttons
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20:36:09	edhelas	pamaury, for the moment I only have the HID and mass storage, but I'll investigate
20:44:14	edhelas	oh got something
20:44:28	edhelas	detected by Pulseaudio, but not sound yet
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21:37:03	lebellium	pamaury: Samsung 32GB class 10. 519MB video. Fuze+ write 6,1MB/s read 10,6MB/s. Samsung card reader write 8,6MB/s read 21,6MB/s
21:37:33	pamaury	with patch ?
21:37:38	lebellium	yes
21:38:07	pamaury	huh, that's seems wrong, can you go to System > debug > show hw info > sdmmc
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21:39:48	lebellium	bus: 4 sbc: 1 hs: enabled
21:40:22	pamaury	I can't believe it reads at only 11MB/s over usb, that's puzzling
21:40:56	lebellium	I can check with OF if you want
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21:41:25	pamaury	yeah good idea
21:54:02	edhelas	pamaury, yeah I hear that the audio chipset is enabled, but nothing comes out
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21:54:50	pamaury	edhelas: ok, well, there could many things going wrong, that would require extensive debugging
21:56:24	edhelas	yup
21:57:09	Horrorcat	pamaury: what do you think about the presenter mode thing? shall I prepare patches for both the usb_keymap and for the zenxfi3 target?
21:57:34	pamaury	edhelas: tonight I am too tired/busy but maybe we can have a look tomorrow or on wednesday ?
21:57:42	edhelas	yeah sure
21:57:48	edhelas	I'm not in a hurry :)
21:58:01	pamaury	Horrorcat: what do you think about that is specific to the zenxfi3 ? and what kind of changing for usb ?
21:58:30	*	pamaury has done a little test: usb_storage + ramdisk = ~16MB/s read speed
21:58:34	pamaury	not very impressive...
21:58:43	edhelas	pamaury, by the way, pulseaudio see two output, one analog stereo and one digital, I should take the digital one ?
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21:59:01	pamaury	edhelas: two audio output for rockbox ?
21:59:24	edhelas	yup
21:59:27	pamaury	I am pretty sure it only reports one, and that's an headphone one
21:59:29	Horrorcat	regarding usb, I would map arrow-left/arrow-right to PREV/NEXT and add actions for arrow-up/arrow-down (which have, at least in pdfpc, a different meaning)
21:59:36	Horrorcat	and for the xfi, I would add mappings for the latter
21:59:47	lebellium	pamaury: strange. Write 3,9MB/s read 3,4MB/s ... and strangely when I disconnect the USB cable it gets to the rockbox bootloader mode instead of OF home screen.
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22:00:09	pamaury	lebellium: is that the OF read/write speed ?
22:00:13	lebellium	yes
22:00:16	pamaury	it sucks
22:00:43	pamaury	so I am afraid the conclusion is that on your card, the usb speed is mostly limited by the usb stack with the patch
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22:03:04	Horrorcat	another (alternative) thought for the zenxfi3: use VOL_UP / VOL_DOWN instead of UP/DOWN buttons reduce the chance of accidentally triggering them
22:05:00	pamaury	isn't the point of usb hid to make it easy to use it ?
22:05:32	Horrorcat	not sure what you’re referring to; I’m worried that the touchy buttons are easy to hit accidentally, which could be unfortunate during a presentation
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22:19:04	edhelas	pamaury, but I'm already impressed by the job done :)
22:20:07	Horrorcat	gonna leave for today, 73
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22:34:49	*	pamaury thinks rockbox could have a use for higher speed tick tasks or faster thread switch. 100HZ is just slow
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23:12:17	[Saint]	pamaury: I agree, but for pretty shit reasons.
23:12:21	[Saint]	Regardless, I agree.
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23:17:31	[Saint]	pamaury: what did you end up having to do to satisfy rockboxdev.sh regarding building an updated mipsel toolchain?
23:19:14	pamaury	[Saint]: building a new mipsel toolchain is easy, building the old one is tricky (I am not even trying)
23:19:48	[Saint]	I have done mipsel-elf binutils s/2.17/2.22/g and mipsel-elf gcc 2/4.1.2/4.6.3/g, and added MAKEINFO=missing to the CFLAGS
23:19:51	[Saint]	But, no dice.
23:20:21	pamaury	you have to add -fgnu89-inline (whatever it is called)
23:20:52	[Saint]	Also done.
23:21:11	[Saint]	That's added to satisfy armeabi.
23:21:40	[Saint]	I'll keep digging, seems like it's my own damn fault for running bleeding-edge....everything.
23:22:03	pamaury	[Saint]: pamaury/595b92a63f1e79f435c9ebad85c01054">https://gist.github.com/pamaury/595b92a63f1e79f435c9ebad85c01054
23:22:09	pamaury	that's what I used
23:23:36	[Saint]	Yeah, hmmm. Interesting.
23:23:51	[Saint]	My arrangement is ever so slightly different, but the end result is the same.
23:24:10	[Saint]	Well...I guess not, as your apparently compiles a viable toolchain. :p
23:24:54	pamaury	But I want to talk to TheSeven, I don't know how he managed to build the ypr0 toolchai, I am stuck the problem with make, I am wondering if he installed his own version of make
23:25:35	[Saint]	Oh my God...yes. Uuuugh.
23:25:44	[Saint]	I hate that Goddamn toolchain.
23:26:11	[Saint]	As always, if you need them, I can give you precompiled 64bit ypr* toolchain binaries.
23:26:46	[Saint]	Or do you already have them and you're wanting to get the toolchain actually building again?
23:26:50	pamaury	I would prefer to be able to build them
23:27:02	[Saint]	Oh, sure, in the interim I mean.
23:27:15	pamaury	in the long run that's the only viable option, and I am so dman close
23:27:53	[Saint]	IIUC, [7] cut out the CLooG dependency from it entirely, also.
23:28:06	[Saint]	Because after make, the next version dependency madness is CLooG.
23:28:20	[Saint]	I really want his diff for this too.
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23:28:42	[Saint]	But he's been AWOL for some time. Understandable. He's a busy man.
23:29:19	pamaury	I know, I disabled cloog and ppl
23:29:24	pamaury	that's trivial
23:29:29	*	[Saint] nods
23:29:31	pamaury	but then I have a problem with make
23:30:14	pamaury	if I tell ct-ng to build his own make, it builds 3.81 and that fails, and if I use my make 4.0, it also fails for another reason
23:31:13	[Saint]	yeah, sounds like you're at where I am approximately.
23:31:22	[Saint]	bouncing off the same issue.
23:31:29	[Saint]	:-S
23:33:18	pamaury	in theory you can compile your own make
23:33:41	pamaury	ct-ng discourages make 3.82, apparently it is broken
23:34:03	pamaury	there are versions between 3.82 and 4.00 but they are not even listed on the official ftp of make...
23:38:39	pamaury	[Saint]: why were you thinking about increasing HZ ?
23:44:07	[Saint]	So that skin actions get a chance to better match the refresh rate of the LCD for high-speed theme tasks like animation and EQ meters, et al.
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23:44:47	[Saint]	pamaury: https://files.freemyipod.org/~saint/rockbox-toolchains-x86_64_20160531.tar.gz
23:44:52	[Saint]	for the interim.
23:45:19	[Saint]	(filesize 113MB)
23:45:35	[Saint]	I can package _just_ ypr* for you if you would like.
23:46:05	[Saint]	Or just the bins (sans docs and build leftovers, etc.), or any combination thereof.
23:47:01	*	[Saint] forgot he had a ftp user account with freemyipod
23:47:23	pamaury	thanks got it
23:47:44	pamaury	not sure if I will use it though, only in case of despair ;)
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23:48:48	[Saint]	Well, I figure you can use it to add ypr* to your build-client broadcast line until you or I beat this thing, or [7] pops his nose in.
23:49:00	pamaury	yeah make sense. Really HZ=100 is slow, that means a thread could wait more than 10ms before being run, that's a _lot_ and it makes thread less useful imo. I don't know if there is a good reason for it, I guess it makes sense on slow cpus
23:49:27	*	[Saint] nods
23:49:35	*	gevaerts tries to launch a slogan for slow CPUs
23:49:38	gevaerts	Hertz Hurts!
23:49:52	[Saint]	Yeah, my reasoning behind it is pretty case-specific.
23:50:38	gevaerts	[Saint]: don't you want HZ to be a multiple of the lcd refresh rather than it being high?
23:51:48	[Saint]	gevaerts: preferably, I would guess. Yes.
23:52:15	*	pamaury has a try at building ypr0 with make 3.82
23:52:41	*	[Saint] takes another stab at mipsel-elf
23:52:46	gevaerts	Of course that would make HZ LCD dependant, which would mean it could be different everywhere
23:52:54	gevaerts	Which might not be ideal
23:54:14	pamaury	[Saint]: are you trying to build the old mips toolchain ?
23:54:38	[Saint]	No.
23:56:16	[Saint]	Holy crap.
23:56:22	[Saint]	So. Many. Warns...
23:56:41	[Saint]	There's more damn warns than there is genuine compilation output.

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