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| 06:10:34 | ClickCLK | Hi |
| 06:11:31 | ClickCLK | It says on rockbox wiki that it's best to ask questions in this IRC channel about unbricking sansa clip+ |
| 06:12:03 | ClickCLK | can somebody help me? |
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| 06:13:41 | [Saint] | ClickCLK: what behavior are you seeing exactly? |
| 06:14:40 | ClickCLK | Firmware not booting |
| 06:14:50 | ClickCLK | there are 3 types of symptoms |
| 06:15:06 | ClickCLK | 1) it shows sansa logo, and on boot anymation it hangs |
| 06:15:32 | ClickCLK | 2) it shows rockbox logo, and when connected to usb shows "usb bootloader mode" |
| 06:15:47 | ClickCLK | 3) shows message "loading firmware" |
| 06:16:42 | ClickCLK | I don't know how it switches to this mode, but it can boot to any of those after I plug in usb cable |
| 06:16:53 | ClickCLK | I am using win7x64 |
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| 06:18:50 | ClickCLK | In device manager I am seeing two usb mass storage device, but one of them shows error 10 |
| 06:19:24 | ClickCLK | This player was given to me by a friend, so I'm not exactly sure what he did to it |
| 06:20:19 | ClickCLK | I tried bridging recovery pads on board, now both mass storage devices in device manager are without error |
| 06:21:30 | ClickCLK | in diskpart utility I'm seeing a drive, it's 7580mb |
| 06:22:04 | ClickCLK | How can I write Original Firmware onto this drive using windows? |
| 06:22:18 | ClickCLK | Or is it only possible in linux? |
| 06:25:45 | [Saint] | Well, it needs a sane utility that can write at block level to the device, which windows doesn't really have (their dd clone is nightmarish), but doing so wouldn't actually do you any good here. |
| 06:26:27 | ClickCLK | Dead flash chip? |
| 06:26:28 | [Saint] | The volume size we'd be looking for to /maybe/ facilitate a successful recovery in this fashion is ~900Mb or so. |
| 06:27:00 | ClickCLK | maybe I did something wrong? |
| 06:27:10 | [Saint] | No, it seems as though at least some of it is very much alive. Normally in the case where I'd expect recovery impossible it shows as a $MB volume. |
| 06:27:12 | [Saint] | *4 |
| 06:27:59 | [Saint] | Give it a few attempts, I mean - this isn't a science. no one really knows why this method does or doesn't work. |
| 06:28:30 | [Saint] | It is very firmly in the realms of magic and luck with some actual science and engineering scattered in there with what we know. |
| 06:28:57 | ClickCLK | ok, I'll try several times and reply |
| 06:29:15 | ClickCLK | Which way is better, with or without battery |
| 06:29:17 | ClickCLK | ? |
| 06:29:44 | [Saint] | without, always. there's no better or worse there, that's an absolute. |
| 06:30:14 | ClickCLK | ok, didn't see it mentioned on wiki |
| 06:30:32 | [Saint] | it mentions it explicitly. |
| 06:31:24 | [Saint] | we need to guarantee the device is off and in a state like this it can be near impossible to do so without removing the batteyr. |
| 06:32:03 | ClickCLK | ok, I desoldered the battery |
| 06:32:07 | [Saint] | hmmm, looking at the text now I guess I could make that clearer. |
| 06:33:22 | [Saint] | hmmm, i should also sanitize those example dd commands so someone doesn't copy them blink and fry a harddrive. :-S |
| 06:33:32 | [Saint] | *blind |
| 06:35:18 | ClickCLK | I usually just short b+ and gnd pins for a moment, I know this isn't the safest way, but guaranteed to turn off device, and nothing ever was broken using this method |
| 06:38:55 | ClickCLK | are recovery pins need to be shortened when i try to detect drive or they need to be shortened only when connecting player to pc? |
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| 06:39:24 | [Saint] | the latter. |
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| 06:39:48 | ClickCLK | ok |
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| 06:47:12 | ClickCLK | ok, so every time I use "list disk" command in diskpart utility there is a long wait, and then it shows 7580mb drive |
| 06:47:21 | ClickCLK | tryed 5 times |
| 06:48:59 | ClickCLK | maybe it's possible to put original firmware file on this drive and just boot into original firmware and it will flash itself? |
| 06:49:22 | ClickCLK | also, this drive is unallocated |
| 06:49:29 | ClickCLK | with no fs |
| 06:51:05 | ClickCLK | Is it safe to format this drive or it will permanently brick the player? |
| 06:54:58 | [Saint] | as above, writing firmware to that location won't actually achieve anything. |
| 06:55:23 | [Saint] | it would be difficult to entirely exclude windows getting in the way of this entirely. |
| 06:55:59 | [Saint] | I don't think I can recall a successful recovery via windows, but that's mainly due to the lack of software to handle low level writes in a sane way. |
| 06:57:52 | ClickCLK | can i use ubuntu 14 live cd to do this? |
| 06:58:49 | [Saint] | sure. |
| 06:59:10 | [Saint] | I can't say windows is or isn;t the problem but it would be useful to know we tried. |
| 06:59:27 | [Saint] | and honestly, windows dd is really nigtmarishly shitty and difficult to use. |
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| 07:00:00 | ClickCLK | ok, I'll disconect now and reboot to ubuntu, i'll be back |
| 07:00:04 | [Saint] | o/ |
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| 07:09:41 | ClickCLK | ok, I'm on ubuntu now |
| 07:13:33 | ClickCLK | How can I understand when device is connected? There isn't any sound like on windows when usb device is connected... |
| 07:14:23 | [Saint] | dmesg |
| 07:16:59 | ClickCLK | when I enter "sudo fdisk -l" it shows my hdd and then freezes when player is connected |
| 07:17:17 | ClickCLK | ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320071851520 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625140335 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x376f5ff7 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 2048 206847 102400 7 |
| 07:18:17 | ClickCLK | it immediately unfreeze when I disconect the player |
| 07:19:54 | ClickCLK | ok, it unfreezed without disconnecting the player, but I can't see it listed |
| 07:20:08 | ClickCLK | maybe there is some driver I need? |
| 07:22:20 | [Saint] | no. |
| 07:23:17 | ClickCLK | ok, I got a result |
| 07:23:27 | ClickCLK | Disk /dev/sdf: 7948 MB, 7948206080 bytes |
| 07:23:34 | ClickCLK | 245 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1021 cylinders, total 15523840 sectors |
| 07:23:42 | ClickCLK | Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes |
| 07:23:49 | ClickCLK | Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes |
| 07:23:55 | ClickCLK | I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes |
| 07:24:01 | ClickCLK | Disk identifier: 0xffffffff |
| 07:24:07 | ClickCLK | Disk /dev/sdf doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 07:24:34 | ClickCLK | it's still 7948mb :-( |
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| 07:34:24 | ClickCLK | if I understand correctly, 7948mb is a whole flash size |
| 07:34:52 | ClickCLK | maybe it's possible to flash fullflash dumped from another player? |
| 07:43:24 | ClickCLK | I tried to backup this partition, entered sudo dd if=/dev/sdf of=orig_image.bin bs=512 |
| 07:43:42 | ClickCLK | it resulted in error |
| 07:43:52 | ClickCLK | dd: error reading ‘/dev/sdf’: Input/output error |
| 07:44:00 | ClickCLK | 16352+0 records in |
| 07:44:08 | ClickCLK | 16352+0 records out |
| 07:44:33 | ClickCLK | 8372224 bytes (8.4 MB) copied, 41.8045 s, 200 kB/s |
| 07:44:46 | ClickCLK | hope this info can help |
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| 08:00:51 | ClickCLK | [Saint], are you still there? |
| 08:06:24 | ClickCLK | I need to get back to work for now, but I'll write here again later |
| 08:06:30 | ClickCLK | thanks for the help |
| 08:06:31 | ClickCLK | bye |
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| 12:22:00 | wodz | pamaury: Did you contact Vortex about his rockbox work (github)? |
| 12:22:26 | pamaury | yes, I mean that was a few months ago, I don't knw if made further changes recently |
| 12:22:53 | wodz | pamaury: at least he did iHIFI 770,770C and 800 ports |
| 12:23:04 | wodz | pamaury: this are rk27xx targets |
| 12:23:15 | pamaury | yeah I saw that but I don't have either of those devices and I have no feedback from anyone |
| 12:23:34 | pamaury | it would be interesting to merge it but at least someone should confirm that it works :D |
| 12:24:13 | wodz | pamaury: HeadFi post should do the trick :-) |
| 12:24:42 | pamaury | yeah good point (also those are really expensive) |
| 12:24:52 | wodz | pamaury: Is he willing to adhere to real name policy we have? |
| 12:25:08 | pamaury | Do you want to take care of it ? I don't even know if he released any installation instructions |
| 12:25:26 | wodz | pamaury: I emailed him and waiting for response |
| 12:25:33 | pamaury | wodz: good question, I forgot to ask. He told he didn't want to maintain it or be part of the community |
| 12:26:19 | wodz | pamaury: Anyway I can't believe someone design really expensive DAP around rk27xx this days. Officially you cannot buy this SoC even |
| 12:26:45 | pamaury | I guess china has a lot of those in stock |
| 12:27:33 | wodz | AFAIK rockchip says to get new design if you ask them |
| 12:28:25 | wodz | pamaury: What do we do in situation when contributor doesn't want to adhere to real name policy? |
| 12:29:10 | pamaury | my short answer would be that you just forget about the port, since you don't have the device and can't possibly write this code on your own ? |
| 12:31:14 | wodz | pamaury: That is the 'clean' solution BUT I think it will be loss for community |
| 12:32:07 | pamaury | let's assume he agrees to the name policy :) |
| 12:32:32 | pamaury | or convince to use a fake real name but pretend we don't know about it ? ^^ |
| 12:33:00 | wodz | :P |
| 12:34:51 | pamaury | or agree to forget about the policiy for this particular case ? but that will meet some opposition I think |
| 12:35:45 | wodz | pamaury: How exactly is XDuoo X3 port crafted? Why you think it is not possible to merge it in current shape? |
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| 12:38:17 | pamaury | first it kind-of-reuses parts of jz4740 but that port was already a mess so I don't like it at all. Also the port has very little documentation and uses the jz headers. And the code is full of copy paste from various sources (random linux ports for jz or code released by jz), there is even dead code. |
| 12:39:52 | wodz | pamaury: What about drivers part, keymap etc.? Reimplementing SoC support is relatively simple (but time consuming) |
| 12:40:38 | pamaury | my hope is that most drivers will require little modification, so I am mostly reimplementing the soc part, will do the fiio x1 port, and then merge the x3 drivers. |
| 12:41:03 | pamaury | also other things are slightly annoying, like lot of code duplication for dma |
| 12:41:55 | pamaury | my goal is to share as much code as possible between the two targets |
| 12:42:39 | pamaury | at the same time I do other things like understanding the usb controller (which people reported as broken in his port anyway) |
| 12:43:05 | wodz | usb is fun :-) |
| 12:43:18 | pamaury | this controller is horrible |
| 12:43:50 | pamaury | at the pio version of it. Maybe the dma one is a bit better |
| 12:43:51 | wodz | the concept is sound BUT hw implementations are disastrous |
| 12:45:10 | pamaury | what is most annyoing is that controller always trying to be too smart for small thing. Like this one tries to be smart by doing automatically the acknowledge stage. This is a nightmare because because everything is super low-level but then you need tricks to handle this automatic stage gracefully |
| 12:46:04 | pamaury | it seems to have been written by someone who thinks all usb requests are successful ! |
| 12:46:32 | wodz | aren't they :P |
| 12:47:08 | wodz | just like rk27xx where usb dma engine assumes noone will touch memory during operation :-) |
| 12:57:15 | pamaury | but I have hopes for this ingenic controller, I have something that works almost correctly |
| 12:58:10 | pamaury | also the datasheet is not super precise, even the jz4740 that contains the full documentation, on some details |
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| 14:08:40 | wodz | pamaury: I've got reply from Vortex. He is not going to take much effort to contribute BUT he is not agains real name policy. So basically we can take his code and merge IF we will have confirmation it works. |
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| 14:23:25 | pamaury | wodz: ok that's good |
| 14:23:38 | pamaury | so know you need to find people who have those ihifi devices |
| 14:25:21 | ClickCLK | Hello. On rockbox wiki it says to ask on this channel about ams sansa recovery. Are there anyone who can help me with this kind of question? |
| 14:28:00 | pamaury | ClickCLK: some people here know about this stuff. First you should explain your problem, mention which device it is and what happened |
| 14:29:09 | ClickCLK | ok. I talked today with [saint] about this problem, here is a quick description of current situation: |
| 14:30:48 | ClickCLK | sansa clip+, got it from friend. He says that something went wrong on installing rockbox. The symptomps are as follows: |
| 14:31:43 | ClickCLK | on power on it boots to 1) original firmware - shows sansa logo and freezes on boot animation |
| 14:32:29 | ClickCLK | 2) shows rockbox logo and if connected to usb shows "usb bootloader mode" |
| 14:32:51 | ClickCLK | 3) shows message "loading firmware" |
| 14:34:21 | ClickCLK | it boots to these modes randomly, sometimes to one, sometimes to another |
| 14:34:30 | ClickCLK | I use win7x64 |
| 14:34:46 | gevaerts | Randomly? |
| 14:34:56 | ClickCLK | on power on |
| 14:35:02 | ClickCLK | sometimes to one mode |
| 14:35:07 | ClickCLK | sometimes to another |
| 14:35:08 | gevaerts | That leads me to believe that the "something" that went wrong while installing rockbox was dropping the device and stepping on it |
| 14:35:42 | ClickCLK | when I desoldered battery and inserted cable it only boots to sansa logo and freezes on animation |
| 14:36:12 | wodz | sounds like broken key (which one booted OF?) |
| 14:36:35 | * | gevaerts nods |
| 14:36:42 | ClickCLK | in device manager, when connected to usb and booted to rockbox "usb bootloader mode" , two mass storage devices appear, one with error 10 |
| 14:37:09 | gevaerts | One would be the internal storage, the other the card slot |
| 14:37:19 | gevaerts | Well, no, wait |
| 14:37:19 | ClickCLK | yeah, I thought so too |
| 14:37:34 | gevaerts | Two mass storage devices, or one mass storage device with two "disks"? |
| 14:37:43 | ClickCLK | two devices |
| 14:38:13 | ClickCLK | ok, so I tried to boot to recovery mode, shorting pins on board |
| 14:38:31 | gevaerts | wodz: left, according to the manual |
| 14:38:38 | ClickCLK | it connects to usb, shows two mass storage devices, both without errors |
| 14:39:25 | gevaerts | How big are those devices? |
| 14:41:09 | ClickCLK | in windows diskpart utility, using "list disk" command, it freezes, sometimes for a long time, sometimes for short, and then shows the drive with size of approximately 8gb, like 7485mb or something |
| 14:42:40 | ClickCLK | tried reconnecting it many times, always this size. I even tryed it on ubuntu with fdsik -l command, still this size |
| 14:43:13 | gevaerts | 8gb sounds plausible at least |
| 14:43:23 | ClickCLK | [saint] here told me, that it isn't possible to do anything with partition of this size, but |
| 14:43:51 | gevaerts | Give me a minute to read the log for that |
| 14:44:21 | ClickCLK | I tried to dump this partition, and after 8,4mb (if i'm not mistaken) it shows error and stops operation |
| 14:44:36 | ClickCLK | but the first 8.4 mb is saved to file |
| 14:46:06 | * | gevaerts would like to look at the first few kilobytes of that file |
| 14:46:39 | gevaerts | Can you upload the file somewhere? |
| 14:46:44 | ClickCLK | I compared it with original firmware from sandisk site and there are many mismatches, but some parts have really long chunks of code which matches bite to bite |
| 14:46:51 | ClickCLK | syeah |
| 14:47:42 | wodz | flash controllers usually correct bit errors in hardware |
| 14:47:58 | ClickCLK | http://muonium.rgho.st/67dsP9HJm |
| 14:48:03 | ClickCLK | here it is |
| 14:48:20 | ClickCLK | by matching, I mean in exactly same adresse |
| 14:48:25 | ClickCLK | adresses* |
| 14:48:26 | gevaerts | If the total size is shown as 8GB, I'd expect it to be in a fairly normal (not entirely normal, of course) mode, not recovery. That assumes it's an 8GB device of course... |
| 14:50:36 | gevaerts | ok, so that does look like firmware, which I wouldn't expect in this case... |
| 14:51:07 | ClickCLK | i shorted pins that showed on photo on wiki, device is without battery, it connects as two mass storage devices when pins are shortened, and shows sansa logo when not, so I assume it is recovery |
| 14:51:07 | * | gevaerts hopes wodz or pamaury are reading and can jump in if he says something wrong. These things are tricky and delicate... |
| 14:51:24 | * | pamaury doesn't know much about ams |
| 14:52:35 | pamaury | iirc when you short the pins it should appear as a "small" device, a few hundreds MB ? |
| 14:52:57 | ClickCLK | [saint] here said, that it must be around 1gb |
| 14:53:22 | gevaerts | If you see an 8GB device, I expect either a filesystem or a partition table on there. As far as I've always understood, the mode that allows writing firmware shows one 1GB disk (more or less). Other modes can be 4MB or 32MB, but those seem to fairly strongly indicate that the device is lost |
| 14:53:25 | ClickCLK | but i tried many times both on windows and ubuntu, but it always shows as this size |
| 14:54:34 | gevaerts | Based on what you've said so far I'd say a *possible* scenario is that (a) there's something wrong with the hardware (sometimes OF and sometimes rockbox bootloader randomly indicates that to me) |
| 14:54:35 | ClickCLK | also, in widows it shows as unallocated |
| 14:55:02 | ClickCLK | I can reball cpu if needed |
| 14:55:08 | gevaerts | and (b) an attempt at recovery was made, writing firmware to the device when it was *not* in recovery mode |
| 14:56:12 | gevaerts | If it were only (b) I'd format the thing as FAT32 and hope for the best, but if dumping the device has errors I have my doubts |
| 14:56:53 | ClickCLK | I have this doubts too |
| 14:58:56 | ClickCLK | is it possible to completely brick the device if I try to write original firmware to this drive using dd? |
| 14:59:00 | ClickCLK | can this help? |
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| 15:00:02 | wodz | ClickCLK: To be fair internal working of recovery mode was never fully understood. |
| 15:00:39 | gevaerts | The thing is, I don't believe it's in that sort of recovery mode |
| 15:00:45 | wodz | and as gevaerts told already I'd expect partition table or fs on 8gig device NOT raw firmware |
| 15:01:53 | gevaerts | Based on the symptoms I suspect hardware issues, but what I personally would do if it were my device is to just try to format the 8GB disk as FAT32 without a partition table |
| 15:03:09 | * | wodz second this |
| 15:03:54 | gevaerts | I have no idea what those hardware issues might be. If you suspect cracked solder and can do something about that, it might be worth trying. I mean, there's not much else to try :) |
| 15:03:58 | ClickCLK | I somewhat scared to format, because first 8.9 mb of this disk is definetly firmware |
| 15:05:01 | gevaerts | I can see that |
| 15:06:19 | gevaerts | Can you get it to rockbox bootloader USB mode and try to copy from there? I'm much more confident about that doing what we expect |
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| 15:09:06 | ClickCLK | ok, i'll try, but in device manager it show error 10 on mass storage device, and as far as I remember it was't visible in diskpart |
| 15:14:12 | ClickCLK | which button boots to rockbox? |
| 15:14:39 | ClickCLK | oh, sorry |
| 15:14:46 | ClickCLK | i'm in bl usb mode |
| 15:15:47 | ClickCLK | drive isn't visible in diskpart |
| 15:15:57 | ClickCLK | error 10 in device manager |
| 15:18:20 | gevaerts | hmmm |
| 15:19:44 | gevaerts | Well, as I said if it were my device I'd consider it probably lost, so getting anything more out of it would be a bonus, so I'd try formatting. I'm not going as far as saying that's the right decision... |
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| 15:20:35 | ClickCLK | I have tow options now |
| 15:20:39 | ClickCLK | two* |
| 15:20:49 | ClickCLK | resolder cpu |
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| 15:21:22 | ClickCLK | or format to fat32 (and put original firmware on this partition, I think) |
| 15:21:34 | ClickCLK | what to try first? |
| 15:21:37 | ClickCLK | also |
| 15:23:32 | ClickCLK | I just remembered, that friend, who gave me this player said, that he indeed tryed to recover it using linux, and sayed that something was even written, but that didn't change anything |
| 15:24:50 | wodz | hah, that makes sense. He dd firmware when device was NOT in recovery mode |
| 15:25:08 | wodz | ClickCLK: Try to format AND do not put firmware there |
| 15:25:10 | gevaerts | Right, that makes it more likely that our thinking is correct |
| 15:25:39 | gevaerts | I don't think formatting it can make things worse, so I'd try that first |
| 15:25:53 | gevaerts | Resoldering CPUs sounds like something that can go wrong :) |
| 15:26:54 | ClickCLK | ok, but I have experience in soldering bga chips |
| 15:28:24 | wodz | sure, but I doubt cpu is the cause of the problems |
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| 15:53:22 | ClickCLK | sorry for long wait |
| 15:53:45 | ClickCLK | it seems that I cannot format this drive under windows |
| 15:54:30 | ClickCLK | using format utility it says "error calling function IOCTL" |
| 15:54:58 | ClickCLK | How to format drive using ubuntu? |
| 15:55:09 | ClickCLK | I don't have much linux experience |
| 15:55:13 | gevaerts | sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdsomething |
| 15:55:41 | gevaerts | Make sure you have the "something" right. You don't want to format the wrong disk... |
| 15:56:30 | ClickCLK | Yeah, I do know about that |
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| 16:09:11 | ClickCLK | it says: "Device partition expected, not making filesystem on entire device '/dev/sdb' (use -I to override)" |
| 16:09:15 | ClickCLK | override it? |
| 16:09:37 | gevaerts | yes |
| 16:09:54 | gevaerts | Sansas usually don't do partitions |
| 16:11:38 | ClickCLK | it displayed version of mkfs.fat utility and now I'm waiting... |
| 16:12:01 | ClickCLK | it ended with error: filed whilst writing fat |
| 16:12:12 | ClickCLK | failed* |
| 16:12:24 | gevaerts | Does dmesg show an error? |
| 16:12:36 | ClickCLK | how to look for it? |
| 16:13:20 | gevaerts | run "dmesg" and see what it says at or near the end |
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| 16:16:25 | ClickCLK | many errors "Buffer I/O error on dev sdb, logical block * lost async page write" and the last message is "usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110" |
| 16:16:31 | ClickCLK | an many more errors |
| 16:16:36 | ClickCLK | and* |
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| 16:23:29 | * | gevaerts thinks the flash is shot |
| 16:25:44 | ClickCLK | So, gevaerts, you think that flash chip is dead, right? |
| 16:26:02 | gevaerts | yes |
| 16:26:31 | ClickCLK | can it be because of bad solder? If yes, I can resolder it. |
| 16:27:05 | gevaerts | I don't know, really |
| 16:27:29 | ClickCLK | ok, so I'll resolder flash chip now and try again |
| 16:27:32 | ClickCLK | be right back |
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| 16:40:12 | ClickCLK | done. Let's see if it helped... |
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| 16:43:49 | link16hit | Hello! I've tried a .vgm (genesis music) and it always stop after 2-3 sec and put back the music. |
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| 16:44:23 | JordiGH | Just got a Sansa Clip Zip. |
| 16:44:35 | JordiGH | The pinnacle of music player evolution, if you ask me. |
| 16:44:44 | JordiGH | It's gorgeous and it runs Rockbox. |
| 16:44:53 | JordiGH | I want to have it forever. |
| 16:45:05 | link16hit | that's so little! |
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| 16:46:25 | JordiGH | What's little? |
| 16:47:02 | link16hit | your Sansa Clip Zip...I always got big mp3, but for a cheap price |
| 16:47:14 | link16hit | music player* |
| 16:47:22 | JordiGH | I like it little. |
| 16:48:39 | JordiGH | I'm excited to see how Doom runs on this thing. The colour screen should help. |
| 16:49:19 | link16hit | I've read of it but never tried (even thought I installed Rockbox 1 months ago0 |
| 16:49:50 | gevaerts | JordiGH: doom on a clip zip? You're mad! |
| 16:50:30 | link16hit | ahaha nah I got a Ipod video 5th gen I think, yeah the screen will be too small? |
| 16:52:15 | link16hit | wow, I'm dead (trying freedom) |
| 16:52:26 | JordiGH | Hahaha |
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| 16:55:36 | JordiGH | link16hit: What do you run Rockbox on? |
| 16:56:37 | JordiGH | I feel like I should stock up on clip zips |
| 16:56:55 | gevaerts | Not a bad plan if you can |
| 16:57:06 | gevaerts | They're getting rare, and they're not *that* sturdy |
| 16:58:36 | JordiGH | I should get a rubber cover too. |
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| 17:01:29 | link16hit | umm, Ipod video 5th gen (rockbox 3.13) |
| 17:03:18 | JordiGH | Also getting hard to find, I bet. |
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| 17:11:48 | ClickCLK | Ok, the result is |
| 17:12:06 | ClickCLK | resoldered flash - same results |
| 17:12:17 | ClickCLK | reflowed CPU - still same results |
| 17:12:25 | ClickCLK | flash is dead :((( |
| 17:12:53 | link16hit | what happen? |
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| 17:13:43 | ClickCLK | gevaerts , is it possible to change flash chip to a new one, and the reflash it using recovery, or it will not boot? |
| 17:14:11 | ClickCLK | link16hit, long story, bricked sansa clip+, dead flash chip |
| 17:15:03 | link16hit | D= |
| 17:15:57 | JordiGH | Nooooo. |
| 17:16:00 | JordiGH | Those are getting rare. |
| 17:16:02 | JordiGH | Don't hurt them! |
| 17:16:07 | gevaerts | ClickCLK: I don't think I've ever heard of anyone trying that |
| 17:19:58 | link16hit | one of the codecs, VGM (genesis music), isn't in the web page sound codecs but Rockbox can read it (and play it), but always stop for 2-3 second, any idea? |
| 17:22:38 | duo8 | time to update rockbox |
| 17:23:21 | link16hit | ^^ I've the 3.13 version =S |
| 17:23:40 | ClickCLK | gevaerts, ok. Huge thanks for your help, and to anyone else who also tried to help. Much appreciated. If I'll ever try to swap flash chip, I'll will write in this channel. |
| 17:23:54 | ClickCLK | thanks again, to all of you |
| 17:23:56 | ClickCLK | bye |
| 17:24:25 | JordiGH | Update rockbox? There hasn't been a release in yearr. |
| 17:26:33 | link16hit | Need to go! See ya! |
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| 17:42:00 | duo8 | update to the latest dev release |
| 17:42:26 | duo8 | this one still crashes so maybe a new one might have fixed some bugs |
| 17:42:59 | duo8 | last time i updated, i don't get track skipping nearly as often anymore, crashes less too |
| 17:43:09 | duo8 | still lags tho |
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| 19:33:13 | JordiGH | Time to install Rockbox on my new clip zip! Woo! |
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| 19:52:44 | JordiGH | Hee, it is done! And I've survived the longest ever in a Rockdoom game. ^.^ |
| 19:53:00 | JordiGH | Normally I can't even kill two dudes with the Clip+ because it uses dithering to represent greyscale. |
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| 20:02:38 | JordiGH | My god, what a thing of beauty. |
| 20:02:44 | JordiGH | I wish I had known about Rockbox 10 years ago. |
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| 21:58:16 | [Saint] | JordiGH: think that's nice, ...should get an iPod Classic. |
| 21:59:32 | [Saint] | I mean the Clip Zip is nice hardware, but Rockbox is another kinda another creature entirely on high-RAM large-screen devices. |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:51 | [Saint] | Lots of people hate the HDD players, and Apple in general, and I kinda get why - but we turn them into something else entirely. |
| 22:02:26 | JordiGH | What do you mean? Rockbox is fundamentally different between iPods and Clips? |
| 22:09:05 | [Saint] | In a few ways, yes. The possibilities open up quite a bit wider with significantly more RAM and screen size to play with. |
| 22:10:46 | [Saint] | Your listening habits can make or break getting a HDD based player, though. |
| 22:11:43 | [Saint] | If you're the type that's easily dissatisfied and constantly skipping through your collection trying to find something interesting to listen to, it can work out to be wildly less efficient instead of only marginally less so. |
| 22:12:04 | [Saint] | Spinning up the HDD every time gets expensive. |
| 22:12:41 | [Saint] | You can convert them to high capacity solid state players fairly trivially though. |
| 22:13:02 | [Saint] | (and then negate the expense of a spinning platter) |
| 22:14:32 | JordiGH | Huh. |
| 22:14:46 | JordiGH | Well, I use a 32-gig micro sd card on the Clip+ and now Clip Zip. |
| 22:15:07 | JordiGH | Dammit, I love this little player. I kind of want to fund someone to recreate it with ada fruits or similar. |
| 22:15:27 | [Saint] | There's really absolutely no way to do so. |
| 22:15:43 | [Saint] | Though various people have caught the idealistic bug in the past. |
| 22:15:45 | JordiGH | Can there be any custom hardware that Rockbox can run on? |
| 22:15:51 | [Saint] | Those people have predictably failed. |
| 22:16:06 | [Saint] | There's no way for an independent to bring an even vaguely comparable product to market. |
| 22:16:20 | [Saint] | Economy of scale, and all that. |
| 22:16:32 | [Saint] | We'd end up with a shittier product for at least twice the price. |
| 22:16:48 | NathanV | how can I submit my battery test file? |
| 22:17:34 | JordiGH | Huh. |
| 22:17:44 | JordiGH | So the Clip Zip is a pinnacle of engineering? |
| 22:17:55 | JordiGH | And now it's dying? :-( |
| 22:18:00 | JordiGH | So sad. |
| 22:18:17 | [Saint] | Oh, no. Shit not. But it's cheaper and higher quality than anything you or I could bring to market. |
| 22:18:43 | [Saint] | *no |
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| 22:19:02 | NathanV | I have a zip and I love it too. But honestly I like the Fuze slightly more. V2 has like 1 day of battery life and a big enough screen for fun times with rockboy/games/album art and it's only like 2x as big as the Zip. |
| 22:19:18 | [Saint] | That DPAD though... |
| 22:19:21 | JordiGH | Hm, can I still buy it? |
| 22:19:25 | [Saint] | No. |
| 22:19:32 | NathanV | dpas refers to the direcitonal controls right? |
| 22:19:35 | NathanV | dpad* |
| 22:19:39 | [Saint] | Yes. |
| 22:19:57 | NathanV | I haven't had problems with it yet. Does it have a short lifespan or something? |
| 22:20:04 | [Saint] | The Sansas all remind me of Happy Meal toys. |
| 22:20:05 | NathanV | The wheel feels a bit flimsy if anything. |
| 22:20:12 | NathanV | Yeah they do |
| 22:20:21 | NathanV | Also I don't look forward to probably headphone jack problems in the future :( |
| 22:20:32 | NathanV | First Clip+ fell victim to that |
| 22:20:36 | JordiGH | I'm going to keep my clip+ around for backup. |
| 22:20:38 | [Saint] | It feels gritty and weird. If a tiny little bit of sand or what-have-you gets in there you've gotta painstakingly take it apart. |
| 22:20:42 | JordiGH | What can I do about battery life? |
| 22:20:45 | [Saint] | Else it'll die with a quickness. |
| 22:21:03 | JordiGH | Should I get a rubber cover for it? I saw that Amazon sold some rubber covers for Clip Zips. |
| 22:21:15 | NathanV | Low bitrate & easy to decode files (check the codec performance page) and low backlight settings |
| 22:21:16 | [Saint] | JordiGH: what of battery life? I highly doubt you're having problems in this arena. |
| 22:21:27 | [Saint] | You'll get 24h out of it easily. |
| 22:21:39 | NathanV | 24h from Zip? that's not what I thought. |
| 22:21:44 | JordiGH | [Saint]: If I don't touch my clip+ for a couple of years, its battery will be a little worn out, right? |
| 22:21:49 | JordiGH | Batteries just die lying around. |
| 22:22:03 | [Saint] | Yes. Of course. Science nor magic can help you there. |
| 22:22:10 | JordiGH | I get around 14 hours from a clip+. I haven't tried the Clip Zip yet. |
| 22:22:12 | [Saint] | It be how batteries do. |
| 22:22:32 | JordiGH | Okay, so how can I slow that down? Should I store the battery at medium charge? And... put it in my fridge? |
| 22:22:40 | [Saint] | You don't. |
| 22:22:50 | JordiGH | Oh, cruel fate. |
| 22:23:09 | NathanV | Zip should probably get around 18 to 19 if good condition. |
| 22:24:30 | [Saint] | more. |
| 22:24:38 | [Saint] | I suspect you're the pokey type. |
| 22:25:14 | [Saint] | just looped playback exhausting the buffer and letting it repopulate should net you ~24h fairly easy. |
| 22:25:29 | NathanV | How many rockboxed players do you have Saint? |
| 22:25:31 | [Saint] | if you're constantly fiddling with things, then, yess - less. |
| 22:25:37 | [Saint] | "a lot" |
| 22:25:54 | NathanV | I'm still looking for people who have a yp-r0 |
| 22:26:19 | [Saint] | Heh - I have one. It just isn't in a functional state, so I guess I'm not your man. |
| 22:26:31 | [Saint] | Unless you're perhaps looking to buy it and in Australasia. |
| 22:26:33 | NathanV | What did you do to it? |
| 22:26:45 | [Saint] | No idea. It just gave up the ghost one day. |
| 22:26:58 | NathanV | Well yeah I was looking to buy one but didn't really think people would be willing to buy/sell stuff here. |
| 22:26:58 | [Saint] | Does nothing except boot to a white screen. |
| 22:27:05 | NathanV | Did you rockbox it? |
| 22:27:22 | [Saint] | Yep. One day I went to turn it on and just...nada. |
| 22:27:51 | [Saint] | None of the supposed recovery facilities work as detailed, so it's something fundamentally wrong, whatever it is. |
| 22:27:54 | NathanV | It seems like practically the best possible rockboxable player in almost every measure. |
| 22:28:06 | JordiGH | I had a yp-u2. |
| 22:28:14 | JordiGH | Is it at all similar? |
| 22:28:14 | [Saint] | Ah. I see you spelled iPod Classic wrong. |
| 22:28:23 | [Saint] | It has less Y's a P's in it. |
| 22:28:29 | NathanV | iPod classic has slow processor though. |
| 22:28:36 | NathanV | No rockboy fun :( |
| 22:28:53 | [Saint] | Errr, it's no slouch my man. |
| 22:29:07 | NathanV | It can't do rockboy at fullspeed though, right? |
| 22:29:08 | [Saint] | Are you thinking of the actual classic ipods, and not the iPod Classic? |
| 22:29:17 | NathanV | Gen 5 and 5.5 right? |
| 22:29:21 | [Saint] | No. |
| 22:29:25 | [Saint] | So, you are then. |
| 22:29:28 | NathanV | oh you mean the 6th |
| 22:29:31 | [Saint] | I do. |
| 22:29:44 | NathanV | But I heard bad sound quality |
| 22:29:53 | [Saint] | subjective. |
| 22:30:17 | [Saint] | when people say bad, they often seem to mean "not artificially coloured in their favor" |
| 22:30:26 | [Saint] | it's fairly flat and quite true to reproduction. |
| 22:30:28 | NathanV | Yeah I guess that could be true |
| 22:30:31 | NathanV | Oh really? |
| 22:30:38 | NathanV | I do know that the 5/5.5 is warm. |
| 22:31:00 | [Saint] | and there's more than enough CPU to throw at the 10 band parametric we ship to correct for your monitors. |
| 22:31:08 | NathanV | But I heard the sansa clip/zip/fuze line has comparable sq. |
| 22:31:21 | [Saint] | that's in no way true for the other iPod (except the N2G). |
| 22:31:51 | NathanV | Have you checked how rockboy runs on iPod 6th? |
| 22:31:52 | [Saint] | You can throw CPU tasks at the Classic for days unless you're using a truly silly codec like APE-insane |
| 22:32:25 | [Saint] | common lossy and lossly codecs are brutally efficient. |
| 22:32:34 | [Saint] | *lossless - bah, typing |
| 22:32:46 | NathanV | lossly sounds funny |
| 22:35:31 | [Saint] | And, no. I haven't touched the plugins deliberately in a long time - I'm at somewhat of a constant internal battle with myself that often considers forking this project and carving out all that crap. (crap being subjective). |
| 22:35:55 | JordiGH | Oh, that reminds me. I gotta implement 2048. |
| 22:36:11 | [Saint] | These days everything we can offer in a plugin can be done vastly more efficiently and comfortably on the mobile device 9/10 people are carrying anyway. |
| 22:36:15 | JordiGH | Chopper is kinda harder to play on the Clip Zip because the screen is narrower. |
| 22:36:16 | [Saint] | JordiGH: done |
| 22:36:26 | JordiGH | [Saint]: Crap. In dev? |
| 22:36:33 | [Saint] | Should be, yes. |
| 22:36:51 | JordiGH | There's no release manager anymore, is there? |
| 22:36:54 | [Saint] | Please please please don't use the release. |
| 22:37:03 | [Saint] | Like, just forget it exists. |
| 22:37:26 | [Saint] | You're about to update and get wildly more efficient and a tonne of bugfixes. |
| 22:37:30 | JordiGH | Eh, I know devs always think the latest is what everyone should use, but I like old software. |
| 22:37:39 | [Saint] | No. Don't. |
| 22:37:48 | JordiGH | You can't stop me. :P |
| 22:37:49 | | Part ender` |
| 22:37:50 | [Saint] | I assure you there's nothing for you there. |
| 22:38:01 | JordiGH | There's much for me here! I'm really happy with it! |
| 22:38:03 | [Saint] | Nothing but historic bugs and inefficiency. |
| 22:38:06 | JordiGH | You can't stop my happiness. |
| 22:38:16 | [Saint] | I could /increase/ it, though. ;) |
| 22:38:25 | JordiGH | Anyways, if the releease is so bad, make a new one. |
| 22:38:29 | JordiGH | Or remove it from the pages. |
| 22:38:54 | [Saint] | I would like very much to do the latter, but there's various reasons why other people think it's a bad idea. |
| 22:39:01 | JordiGH | And the former? |
| 22:39:14 | [Saint] | We'd like to do the former but it is difficult to coordinate with so little feet on the ground. |
| 22:39:56 | JordiGH | Releases are a commitment to stability. No more features, no more changes, no newer bugs. What kind of guarantee is there for the dev version? |
| 22:40:02 | [Saint] | The releases necessity waned as the stable targets only continued to get more so. |
| 22:40:12 | JordiGH | I prefer older and known bugs than new and unknown bugs. |
| 22:40:23 | [Saint] | The thing is, though, it's a commitment to quality from ~3 years ago. |
| 22:40:31 | [Saint] | And we've come a long long ways since then. |
| 22:40:37 | JordiGH | 3 years ago is very recent. |
| 22:40:41 | JordiGH | I run Debian stable. |
| 22:40:47 | [Saint] | Not in our model it isn't. |
| 22:41:02 | JordiGH | Bah, then make it official. I want to hear other devs say it. |
| 22:41:40 | [Saint] | No other dev is going to tell you to run the release on a stable target unless you know there's some upstream breaking change, I assure you. But I'll let that happen organically. |
| 22:42:37 | JordiGH | Well, the webpage is telling me to do so. Fix it. |
| 22:42:48 | JordiGH | Convince the other devs. You said they disagreed with you. |
| 22:42:57 | JordiGH | They must have their reasons. |
| 22:43:41 | [Saint] | The reason there is essentially limited to there being a tiny subset of people who can manage the main page. |
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| 22:43:59 | [Saint] | We're a much smaller project than you might think at this stage. |
| 22:44:09 | JordiGH | I am sure you're tiny. Maybe one or two people. |
| 22:44:17 | JordiGH | Three? |
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| 22:44:52 | [Saint] | Active committers, maybe a half dozen or so. |
| 22:45:22 | [Saint] | two or three people doing the bulk of the work on their own hobby projects. |
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| 22:47:13 | [Saint] | It kinda boiled down to a way of thinking where if people are using the release and they're happy with it, that's cool and it's not going to make things catch fire. But if they come in for support the very first thing suggested is almost certainly going to be to shift to the dev builds to get the last three and a half almost four years of bug fixes. |
| 22:47:25 | JordiGH | Okay, so I'm the first person. |
| 22:47:31 | JordiGH | I don't even know how to upgrade. |
| 22:47:39 | JordiGH | Grab a tarball and explode it at the root? |
| 22:47:54 | [Saint] | .zip, and yes, that's one way. |
| 22:48:02 | [Saint] | or point RbUtil at it. |
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| 22:49:18 | [Saint] | The manual for your player (which always tracks mainline) describes this and 98% of everything else in detail. |
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| 22:49:34 | [Saint] | well...lets say ~95% |
| 22:49:50 | saratoga | JordiGH: you really don't want to run a 3 year old stable build unless you have a very old target |
| 22:50:13 | [Saint] | like...one of the Archos'. |
| 22:50:17 | [Saint] | THAT old old. |
| 22:50:18 | saratoga | its stable as in "we haven't changed it in forever", in terms of working well its probably much less stable on modern devices |
| 22:50:46 | saratoga | take a look at the changelog and you'll see what i mean |
| 22:50:48 | [Saint] | saratoga: hahaha - thanks, I was kinda hoping that acknowledgement would happen in this same session. :) |
| 22:50:54 | JordiGH | I have looked at the changelog. |
| 22:51:00 | JordiGH | Nothing really interesting showed up. |
| 22:51:03 | [Saint] | saratoga: he should update bootloader, too, no? |
| 22:51:06 | JordiGH | I was like, "eh, someone is working on their pet project." |
| 22:51:12 | [Saint] | We have USB/sdcard recovery on this now do we not? |
| 22:51:18 | [Saint] | but not in the release bootloader. |
| 22:51:39 | [Saint] | Normally I wouldn't ever suggest bootloader update but I think here we actually want to. |
| 22:51:40 | saratoga | on AMS ? I believe there is USB in the release bootloaders as well |
| 22:51:49 | [Saint] | Oh. Hmmm. Thanks. |
| 22:52:05 | JordiGH | Hnnnngggg, I hate updates. |
| 22:52:10 | JordiGH | I have something that I know and works now. |
| 22:52:12 | saratoga | once the new USB driver goes in we probably have to revisit the bootloader |
| 22:52:19 | * | [Saint] nods |
| 22:52:25 | JordiGH | Now you want me to do work to get into a new and unfamiliar state. |
| 22:52:33 | JordiGH | Maybe it'll work, but I don't have anything I want to fix. |
| 22:52:44 | [Saint] | unfamiliar to you, vastly more familiar to us. |
| 22:52:52 | JordiGH | I don't want to undertake work for potential breakage. |
| 22:53:12 | [Saint] | there's more potential for that in the build you're using. |
| 22:53:19 | [Saint] | and that's a hard fact. |
| 22:53:22 | JordiGH | Devs always think each of their commits is beautiful and perfect and everyone should be experiencing the entirety of their commits. |
| 22:53:29 | JordiGH | I think, http://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/04/volatile-software/ |
| 22:53:33 | JordiGH | A blog post from 2012. |
| 22:53:39 | JordiGH | Even older than your release! |
| 22:53:41 | JordiGH | And still relevant. |
| 22:53:48 | [Saint] | Look mate - no one's going to twist you arm... |
| 22:53:55 | [Saint] | Do as you will. |
| 22:54:10 | saratoga | yeah do whatever you want, and no need to tell us about it |
| 22:54:13 | JordiGH | I'll try it on the clip+ first. See how much breaks. |
| 22:54:17 | [Saint] | Just know that what's being said here isn;t being said for funsies. |
| 22:54:35 | [Saint] | It's a very real recommendation for very real reasons. |
| 22:54:45 | JordiGH | If I can tolerate it, I'll try a (not "the") dev version on the clip zip. |
| 22:55:34 | [Saint] | this isn;t comparable to updating a live system. |
| 22:55:46 | [Saint] | with every update we throw out the last system entirely. |
| 22:55:59 | [Saint] | we replace everything the system is dependent on. |
| 22:56:28 | [Saint] | your user files and system generated configs will still persist however. |
| 22:58:21 | [Saint] | it's not comparable in a lot of ways with updating a live system, or in terms of attack vector. It's a DAP, the attack surface is wide open. |
| 22:58:56 | [Saint] | Nothing sensitive or critical should ever live there. Treat it as volatile. |
| 22:59:35 | JordiGH | Well, there's always bricking... |
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| 23:02:57 | [Saint] | the risk is equally great with the release, actually marginally higher. |
| 23:03:17 | [Saint] | but the risk should be noted as "near zero". |
| 23:03:58 | [Saint] | When these devices fail they tend to fail due to shitty storage, and that'll happen regardless. |
| 23:05:19 | [Saint] | try searching SanDisk forums for 'stuck' or 'boot loop' or 'splash screen' one day. |
| 23:05:25 | [Saint] | they brick just fine on their own. |
| 23:06:16 | [Saint] | at least we turn them into something useful over sub-par fashion crap in the meantime before that happens. |
| 23:07:02 | JordiGH | g2g |
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| 23:58:55 | Shout | hey fellas - any support for the sandisk clip sport or clip jam in the works? or is this something yall need help with? |
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