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#rockbox log for 2016-08-22

00:03:09 Quit alexweissman ()
00:16:36ulmutulAnd I stumbled over a small bug along the way: g#1385
00:16:37fs-bluebotGerrit review #1385 at : Fuze+: fix CONTEXT_SETTINGS keymap (unable to cancel) by Sebastian Leonhardt
00:18:25pamauryulmutul: i assume you tested g#1385 ? if so i'll push it right now
00:18:26fs-bluebotGerrit review #1385 at : Fuze+: fix CONTEXT_SETTINGS keymap (unable to cancel) by Sebastian Leonhardt
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00:19:00ulmutulyes, just tested it :)
00:19:58ulmutulIf I looked at it correctly, CONTEXT_SETTINGS is only used for alarm setting.
00:20:01fs-bluebotBuild Server message: New build round started. Revision afcdf00, 255 builds, 15 clients.
00:21:43pamauryif there is a problem, I am sure someone will complain ^^
00:23:23*[Saint] complains proactively.
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00:29:46fs-bluebotBuild Server message: Build round completed after 585 seconds.
00:29:47fs-bluebotBuild Server message: Revision afcdf00 result: All green
00:31:32ulmutulBTW: what's the reason that I cannot make screenshots of a LUA sript? (With the simulator; didn't try it with a real target). Is it a known bug or deficiency?
00:41:25[Saint]I don't believe it is known, and it sounds more like unexpected neglect than a bug.
00:41:48pamauryyeah I concur
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01:00:24ulmutulin which part of the code is it handled?
01:02:47__builtinulmutul: how are you taking the screenshot?
01:03:17ulmutulPressing F5
01:03:49ulmutul(When running simulator)
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01:11:56[Saint]ulmutul: incidentally - can you test this on real hardware with the screendump USB trigger?
01:12:46[Saint]The simulator is just that, a similator. It looks convincing and while there is a lot of shared code some aspects are handled in fundamentally different ways.
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01:12:52ulmutulI've tried it in the simulator with the USB trigger :)
01:13:05ulmutulBut yes, I'll try on real hardware.
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01:18:33ulmutulI tried to make a screendump of the pixel-painter game ( g#1346). Rockbox took a screenshot, but not of the game screen, but of the game menu I entered later.
01:18:35fs-bluebotGerrit review #1346 at : FS #11922: Lua game - Pixel Painter by Sebastian Leonhardt
01:19:28[Saint]OK, interesting.
01:20:16ulmutulSame with boomshine: "You made it till level 1" instead of the actual game screen.
01:20:35[Saint]I had thought that screendump just grabbed the current framebuffer, but it sounds like it might actually be intertwined with the display engine for some reason.
01:21:24[Saint]So you are actually getting valid image dumps, they're just not representitive of the current display state at the time of capture?
01:21:53ulmutulI have an idea: I'll try to insert yield() calls!
01:23:06[Saint]looking at the code I was barking up the wrong tree and it does work as I expect it should.
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01:23:53[Saint]current running theory is that there's a delay caused by the LUA core, but I'm not entirely certain why as I don't really undertand this at the level I need to.
01:24:54ulmutulOk, missing rb.yield() was the reason!
01:26:19ulmutulI guess there's some kind of automatic yield when displaying the menu.
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01:26:48ulmutulSo the screenshot was taken then, and not earlier :)
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03:59:29vincentblacksomeone here ?*
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04:00:29vincentblackhi all ineed help
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04:02:00[Saint]vincentblack: better ask a question then.
04:02:16vincentblacki need informations ans instruction to installing rockbox on an ipod classic 30go year 2008
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04:02:56[Saint]That is not an iPod Classic. There are no 30GB iPod Classics.
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04:03:13[Saint]Information regarding installation of supported targets is covered in the wiki and the manual.
04:03:30[Saint]You have an iPod Video. It is supported and detailed in multiple places.
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04:04:14vincentblackneed i to do a back up of my apple 's firmware?
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04:05:36vincentblacki have seen it's possible with a terminal linux on instructables
04:07:21[Saint]It is. However please don't use such documentation.
04:07:31[Saint]It is almost always incomplete and wildly out of date.
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04:07:43[Saint]We supply perfectly goof documentation via
04:08:05vincentblackbackup recommanded when jailbreaking ...
04:08:37[Saint]You are not jailbreaking. And whoever wrote that if it does pertain to Rockbox is an idiot.
04:08:48*[Saint] is not surprised in the least
04:08:53vincentblacksorry lol
04:09:13[Saint]There are many incomplete or outright wrong versions of our installation procedures that have no reason to exist.
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04:09:51vincentblacki am understand ok
04:10:48vincentblackcan i use automatic intallation?
04:11:24[Saint]Please just use the supplied documentation via the manual available at
04:11:25vincentblackor manually is it better for me?
04:12:12[Saint]I appreciate you have questions, but all your questions are answered by the documentation supplied.
04:14:23vincentblackok i have seen but i an not very good in english language and imaffraid to make an error and brick the ipod ..
04:15:07[Saint]It is not possible to do so using the supplied tools in the intended fashion.
04:15:30[Saint]bricking an iPod takes very deliberate effort.
04:15:40[Saint]It is not possible to achieve this accidentally.
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04:35:53vincentblackcan rockbox read flac?
04:37:21vincentblackty for answers ....
04:43:34[Saint]Yes. This is also detailed in the manual.
04:44:26[Saint]I would hazard a guess as to state that any question you could think of asking me in the near future is answered in the manual.
04:48:44vincentblacki f i i find aanother ipodlike this one,i would like to put on a raspberry pi zero ...
04:50:19vincentblacki have seen yesterday it's possible to plug the ipod screen on the pi zero.
04:51:37vincentblackbut today ...we are just test rockbox i have see it's cool
04:54:09[Saint]That's a really silly idea seeing as how you can buy an LCD that'll work with any of the Raspberry Pi variants for ~$10
04:54:39[Saint]you would be butchering a ~$50+ iPod for the sake of a ~$10 screen.
04:54:51[Saint]simple economics says that is a remarkably stupid idea.
04:58:41vincentblacklol of course
04:59:47vincentblackis it possible unplug the screen of ipod's case ...
05:00:26vincentblack~$10 lol
05:07:29vincentblack@Saint iS IT HARD to intall themes and font afer that?
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05:22:45[Saint]No. This is covered by the manual.
05:31:58vincentblackto finish install when i unmount the ipod don't have i to push any buttons?
05:32:45[Saint]No. Every aspect of the installation for both automated and manual installs is detailed in the manual.
05:33:05[Saint]WHich is one of the (manY) reasons I keep on saying that all this is covered in the manual.
05:34:06[Saint]This project didn't spend hundreds of man hours making what is arguably one of the most detailed and complete user manuals for a FOSS project just for fun.
05:34:23vincentblackthe ipod will restart auto when iunmont?*
05:35:12vincentblacki see it's a superb cool project
05:36:39[Saint]Before you ask, dual-booting Rockbox and the original firmware is detailed in guessed it, user manual. :)
05:36:50vincentblacksorry for my questions but is a friend ipod's ;and a another friend's of him has bricked one already
05:37:30[Saint]No he hasn't.
05:37:38vincentblackdualbooting is not possible directly?
05:38:31[Saint]Please just read the manual. This is covered in detail in the manual.
05:39:12[Saint]Regarding the "bricked" iPod, as discussed, this is not possible using the tools and binaries we supply without very deliberate effort.
05:39:51[Saint]Your friend is either mistaken or lying.
05:41:04vincentblackno the guy do that when he tryed to jailbreak
05:41:17vincentblacknot with rockbox
05:41:40vincentblackchmod +x ipodpatcher i can't execute this command
05:42:48[Saint]There is no reason for you to be using the manual installation instructions. That is for advanced users.
05:42:54vincentblacki have forget something
05:43:11vincentblackok i see
05:51:51vincentblacki have this now:
05:52:12vincentblackis normal can i finish ?
05:52:47vincentblacksaint :
05:53:57[Saint]No. That is not normal, and you are not finished.
05:54:04[Saint]What part of "That is for advanced users." was unclear?
05:54:25[Saint]Please use the GUI based installer, Rockbox Utility.
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06:10:33vincentblackim anoob lol
06:11:17vincentblackthe GUI based installer run on linux?
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06:14:23vincentblackit's good iwas no root when i do yhe last commands.....
06:23:23vincentblacki find a superb wiki in french it's so cool
06:24:12*[Saint] sighs loudly
06:24:37[Saint]I give up.
06:37:25vincentblackbut i can't use now i must install some programs lol
06:38:25[Saint]I have no sympathy.
06:39:00[Saint]Despite repeated direction you have done the exact opposite at every possible instance and repeatedly refused to do things the simple way using the provided documentation.
06:39:32[Saint]If you want to make your life neddlessly difficult, you'll need to deal with the consequences yourself.
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07:25:08vincentblacki have a site like a wiki in french just sorry to had disturb you
07:25:24vincentblackevery thing is ok
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08:19:59[Saint]You're rather easily amused?
08:20:08[Saint]Can we help you with something?
08:21:30kakahow add music and videos ?
08:22:12[Saint]This is covered in our fine manual.
08:22:22kakai am not see
08:22:28[Saint]Oh, god - it's you again.
08:22:40[Saint]Hey vincentblack.
08:22:41kakadear god
08:23:21kakamy second name.... intheclient
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08:24:18[Saint]3.1.4 Putting music on your player
08:27:45kakabut after my installation is good to not have too much themes ; perhaps reduce's battery life
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08:28:43kakalol i'm shut up !!!...
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08:35:13[Saint]kaka: please keep support in channel.
08:35:41[Saint]The audio that already exists on your device is accessible using the 'Database' function, as detailed in the manual.
08:35:53kakai find 314 lol
08:36:21kakai know ok
08:36:45[Saint]That would indicate that you managed to screw up somehow and deleted the existing data on the device.
08:37:11kakamy problems is i never use a ipod before ...
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08:37:38[Saint]That's certainly /a/ problem.
08:38:25[Saint]The larger problem is your apparent unwillingness to find information clearly detailed in our user manual.
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08:48:32kakabut im so tired at this hour and english is like chineese foe me lol
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10:32:02kakasomeome can assit me rapidely please
10:32:46kakaassist* or small help...
10:33:18kakato check database*
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10:44:15kakaMust i restart the ipod to auto transfert my database?
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11:15:31kakasomeone to help me ?
11:16:13kakano french peoples here?
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11:21:20kakabye i go
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12:02:13utrackle heh
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13:18:14vincentblack@help^^ i need a small help ihave reading the wiki but i would like to know yet many things..
13:23:19vincentblacki just installed rock and i a little bit affraid to createa bug when checking database of ipod.
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13:32:59vincentblackmust i convert something before check database of tags ...?
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14:20:25pamauryvincentblack: you'll have to be a little bit more specific, I don't understand what you mean
14:21:06pamauryJust so you know, Rockbox and ipod database are completely different, they don't work the same way and cannot be share. Rockbox's database will simply scan all the songs on the disk
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14:53:20vincentblacksorry my language is not very corrcet
15:06:37vincentblacki just intalled rockbox and i wouldlike to export musics from aplle's databaseto convert in rockbo
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15:12:04vincentblacki see lot of errors in the musics repertorie of apple
15:13:23vincentblackmy fault first time i use banhshee and the ipod....a mp3 called lib... lol
15:14:16pamauryvincentblack: the way the rockbox database works is that you put all of your music on your device, then in rockbox you go to Database. It will scan all your songs and that's it.
15:16:41vincentblackcan i go to ipod_control directory and export all musics on the pc and after to put on datase's rockbox
15:19:03vincentblacki must tag my mp3's before put on rockbox?
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15:19:25pamauryI don't know how Apple database works. Rockbox uses tags
15:19:36pamauryso yeah it is enough (and necessary) that your music be tagged
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15:20:48vincentblackthe problem Apple change names's
15:21:36vincentblacki think srapping is nessecary before !?
15:23:11pamaurysrapping ?
15:23:11pamauryI don't think Apple changes the tags, but only the name of files. The name of the file is not used by the Rockbox database I think.
15:23:42vincentblackthis is it yeah
15:24:24pamauryI don't use any synchronization software so I don't know how it works. If you have all your music on your PC, you can surely tell your software to sync all your music on the device
15:25:08vincentblackmusics are on the ipod in aplle directory
15:26:51pamauryif they are tagged properly then you don't need to do anything, just go to the Database menu in Rockbox and it will scan them
15:30:17vincentblackand import them too?
15:31:19pamaurywhat do you mean import them ? They are already on the device you said
15:31:20vincentblacktey are taged properly but names of files have changed
15:31:31pamauryname don't matter if you just use the database
15:32:57vincentblackIt 's not my device and doesn't to brik the device or lost the musics
15:33:40vincentblacki dont want to corrupt something ok ty
15:34:25pamauryRockbox database does not remove or add songs. It simply scan all the songs on the devices and gives you an efficient way to search them.
15:34:46vincentblackan efficient way
15:35:46vincentblackwhat's way?
15:36:38pamauryFor example if you device has two songs. A.mp3 and B.mp3 then the database will lists two songs: A and B. If you add a new song C.mp3 by copying it to your mp3, then the database will find it and now list 3 songs: A, B and C. If you remove a file from your device, the database will not list it anymore. Nothing magically. but also the database scans the tags so you can use it to find all songs that have the same artist or album or year, etc
15:36:55vincentblacki scan and i go just to directoruy apple_control to take the files?
15:37:34*gevaerts assumes that this ipod is not the only place where these audio files are stored
15:37:35pamauryI don't understand. Do you have the device at hand ? Is it running Rockbox ? If so, on the device using Rockbox, just go to Database in the main menu
15:38:14vincentblackyeah i have
15:39:03vincentblackmy friend caling me yesterday and he would to have his music like before
15:39:52vincentblackApple is curious system
15:40:29vincentblackhidden repertories..
15:42:37vincentblackMy friends who having Apple device can't convert a simple files themselves like mp3 to ogg or aac ...
15:43:25gevaerts*why* would you ever convert from mp3 to ogg?
15:43:36vincentblackno it a exemple
15:46:19vincentblacki dont understand why peoples loves Apple everywhere at the planet it's cool but not very simple system
15:48:47vincentblackyour open source system are super i like clear simple and usefull
15:51:51vincentblacki don't have to install something to read videos ?
15:52:43vincentblackplugins perhaps?
15:52:54pamaurywe have a plugin that read mpeg videos but it only reads a small number of codecs
15:54:17vincentblacknot all videos i create a directorie like for the music and the video run but black screen
15:54:35pamaurythe manual says:
15:54:36pamauryThe Mpeg Player is a video player plugin capable of playing back MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 video streams with MPEG audio multiplexed into .mpg files.
15:55:43pamauryso you might have to reencode videos if they use a codec like h264
15:55:45vincentblacki must convertwith this details with my videoconverter!
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16:17:55homiegwestsidei need a rockbox compatible mp3 player
16:18:15homiegwestsideagptek raises my interest, coould someone recommend one?
16:22:15pamaurywell unfortunately there aren't that many currently-being-sold players supported. There some work in progress for new targets but as usual we cannot make any progress. So it depends if you want a new player or don't mind buying second hand or refurbished
16:23:37homiegwestsidemy clip+ fried on me when i tried to charge it abroad
16:24:04homiegwestsidethinking of getting sandisk to repair it if they can but alternatively want a new one with much better battery life
16:24:40homiegwestsidethe clip+ prices have doubled from my purchase in march 2014
16:29:20pamauryyeah the clips prices have increased quite a lot, and the newer clips are not supported
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16:53:45dongsyou've been copying it all wrong
16:54:19pamauryI knew it, clearly if I copy the files by hand they will be less noisy and sound better
16:54:39dongspersnoally touch each bit of flash
16:55:11pamauryabsolutely, songs need love, they sound better when they know you care about them
17:01:16elensilpamaury: is it planned to have a usb_copy_by_hand method in Rockbox ?
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17:02:47pamauryunfortunately, by definition this is not possible, you need to disassemble your player and the touch the flash with your hand. Only then the Holy Grail of audio will become true
17:04:04pamauryBut at this point you don't really a device anymore, sound will just appear in you ears. I mean the other day I ABXed my Fiio X1 against no player and no player clearly sounded better.
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20:34:25lebelliumulmutul (logs) and pamaury:
20:34:26lebellium1) Thanks for g#1384. It works on device. I can change the colors in theme settings.
20:34:27fs-bluebot_Gerrit review #1384 at : Samsung YP-R0: Fix settings keymap (apply FS #13073 by lebellium) by Sebastian Leonhardt
20:34:28lebellium2) As you talked about the alarm setting, I checked it: it doesn't seem to work on R0 and Fuze+, the devices didn't wake up at the time I set.
20:34:29lebellium3) Looks like the manual is wrong: "Use Up and Down to adjust the minutes setting, Down and Up to adjust the hours". I assume it should be left and right for hours.
20:34:31lebellium4) On YP-R0 we should add keymap left and right. I noticed there were more lines for button_context_settings in Fuze+ than in R0 but I didn't what this was for. Now I know it's for the alarm setting.
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22:32:22ujcroonanyone know about ipods?
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23:34:34ulmutullebellium: fixed Fuze+ manual ( g#1386). Pushing now...
23:34:35fs-bluebot_Gerrit review #1386 at : Fuze+: fix manual (alarm keymap) by Sebastian Leonhardt
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23:40:16ulmutullebellium: if all four directional keys work on R0, there's no need to change anything. The button_context_settings is chaning to CONTEXT_TREE, CONTEXT_LIST and finaly CONTEXT_STD, and right and left buttons are defined there.
23:40:59ulmutulIt only needs to be (re-)defined if it interferes with other button actions.
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23:52:07lebellium_z3culmutul: looks like we're not in the same time zone. I was going to sleep like yesterday :P in wake-up alarm left or back = disable and right or select = set
23:52:46lebellium_z3cLeft and right should ajust hours instead
23:53:09ulmutulOn Fuze+?
23:53:13lebellium_z3cOn R0
23:54:07ulmutulSo left and right don't change minutes?
23:54:42lebellium_z3cOn YP-R0 up and down adjust minutes like on Fuze+
23:54:58lebellium_z3cBut left and right don't adjust hours
23:55:16ulmutulOk, I'll have a look.
23:56:56ulmutulI'll update the g#1384 patch. Just leave a note if it compiles and works for you, and I'll push it maybe tomorrow :)
23:56:57fs-bluebot_Gerrit review #1384 at : Samsung YP-R0: Fix settings keymap (apply FS #13073 by lebellium) by Sebastian Leonhardt
23:58:09lebellium_z3cI guess it's just because action_std_prev and next are missing

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