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#rockbox log for 2016-09-26

00:02:03 Quit bluebrother^ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
00:03:15ulmutulI think it would be a good thing to save people from removing the battery from a almost-not-working player :) I'm just checking for "02:02:02" and the year 2002 and don't allow to set the time/date.
00:03:20b0hoonulmutul: generaly i think that software shoudn't have additional code because of bad hardware
00:05:15b0hoonulmutul: well yeah this is some way out, but i don't know i have mixed feelings about this
00:06:09b0hoonulmutul: user can always fix it like it's on the wiki :D
00:07:26ulmutulI wonder if it would make sense for other targets to check for non-valid rtc values. For example when recording rockbox depends on unique time/date values from the rtc, and I wonder if recording just works by pure chance when the rtc-time isn't set up properly (e.g. after battery changing or deep discharge).
00:08:08ulmutulHowever I never had problems with that before. File creation times are bogus values, but it works :)
00:09:28b0hoonulmutul: yeah, that's a good question, i think it should be handled somehow in relative code parts
00:10:10 Part robertd1
00:11:49b0hoonulmutul: but as i said i have no resonable idea in this matter
00:13:31ulmutulI'll upload the patch to gerrit when it's finished, and you can review it.
00:14:35b0hoonok, i have to go now, bye everybody
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00:14:47ulmutulBye o/
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21:39:05pamaury_gevaerts: is it my or we have no way in rockbox to reboot? (we can only poweroff) (at least from the user interface)
21:39:50gevaertsThat's right, I believe
21:39:58gevaertsWe used to reboot for usb on some targets
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21:41:44pamaury_yeah that's the only place where I can see a reboot
21:42:10pamaury_the reason I am asking is because I want to implement "reboot to OF" but we only have sys_poweroff
21:42:37pamaury_on the other hand, the only thing it does is broadcast a message so I guess the message could use its argument to query more information
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21:43:39pamauryalso not sure about the best way to implement this in a way that is not imx233 specific
21:44:22hoshihi pamaury
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21:44:51pamaurygevaerts: I was thinking to add sys_reboot() that reuses the mecanism of sys_poweroff but adds a parameter to the message to reboot instead of power off at the end. And have another target specific function like system_set_boot_mode(). What do you think
21:44:53pamauryhoshi: hi
21:45:15pamaurysorry I didn't have time to play with the nwz, and robertd1 was also super busy apparently
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22:01:19gevaertspamaury: that probably makes sense
22:03:14*gevaerts now wonders about rolo and it's place in all this
22:03:53pamaurywhat would rolo change?
22:04:24pamauryOtherwise there is an "easy" solution: instead of having a "Reboot to OF" option, we can have a "next boot to the OF" option
22:04:25gevaertsNothing as such
22:04:57gevaertsBut rolo really also is a sort of reboot, except handled entirely separately
22:05:11pamauryah yeah, rolo is quite broken yeah
22:05:41pamauryone could think rolo is a kind of boot mode in a way
22:10:54scorcheSorry - I was away at a conference all weekend - were the forums down again and then they magically came back up sometime?
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22:11:07pamauryscorche: yes
22:11:14gevaertsscorche: if you didn't do anything, apparently yes
22:11:22scorchenifty
22:16:12pamaurygevaerts: another possibility would be the following: sys_poweroff is just a special case of sys_shutdown(shutdown_param), that reuses all the machinery to properly shutdown. And shutdown_param is a structure that explains what to do. It would have a boot mode field (normal and rolo, and potentyially of). Plus a buffer pointer+size for rolo?
22:17:17pamaurythe problem with this approach is that hardware-wise, roloing is potentially not the same as shuting down
22:18:01gevaertsIt's not, but then I imagine power off and reboot will often be fairly different as well
22:18:02pamaurybut since the poweroff would call a target-specific function anyway, the code could be different for rolo and shutdown I guess
22:19:30pamauryok, let me write a small prototype and upload it to gerrit to see what it looks like
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22:37:55pamaurygevaerts: the way the system works, I cannot really give a parameter to SYS_POWEROFF because it is passed to the action system does not handle arguments
22:38:29pamaurythus the apps/ code will not know if we are shuting down, rebooting or ROLOing, but I think that's fine
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22:54:25pamaurygevaerts: g#1402
22:54:26fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #1402 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1402 : 3WIP: refactor power off, rebooting and rolo by Amaury Pouly
22:54:28pamaurycompletely untested
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