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| 00:48:48 | * | __builtin needs a way to get sub-HZ timing |
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| 01:00:17 | __builtin | would it be a good idea to just calibrate a busy loop for 10 milliseconds and then do intervals of that? |
| 01:06:24 | pamaury | __builtin: what do you need sub-HZ timing for ? |
| 01:09:02 | pamaury | many targets have udelay for precise delays |
| 01:09:14 | pamaury | udelay(int microseconds); |
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| 01:28:59 | * | __builtin is trying to make it easier to press buttons simultaneously |
| 01:30:17 | __builtin | so essentially button_get(true); usleep(5000); button = button_status(); |
| 01:32:03 | __builtin | sleep(0) mostly works but it's unreliable |
| 01:32:11 | __builtin | and sleep(1) is too slow |
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| 01:56:08 | Bilgus | __builtin: what context are you wanting to do this in? |
| 01:56:14 | __builtin | plugin |
| 01:56:17 | __builtin | so no udelay() |
| 01:57:08 | Bilgus | I've been all over the get action code the last few weeks do you know what buttons you want to use? |
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| 02:04:09 | Bilgus | problem with button get is that you are going to be fighting with button_try_post, it waits till the queue is empty before posting another key even unless it is a release event |
| 02:04:55 | Bilgus | so you would need to already have popped the last key from the queue before you would get the next |
| 02:06:30 | Bilgus | using action.c get_custom_action() you could define your own custom keymap that would allow you to do what you want |
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| 03:14:48 | fishbulb | anyone here use a portable amp? |
| 03:15:22 | fishbulb | and I'm wondering how to compare the components of an iriver h300 to newer players |
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| 03:15:29 | fishbulb | like what are the main ones to look at |
| 03:16:29 | fishbulb | can I upgrade some output caps or something like that to tide me over until I can actually afford something relatively first or second tier in terms of players |
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| 03:46:53 | Bilgus | that seems like a fools errand you've more of a chance of destroying your player than anything, what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 03:47:30 | [Saint] | The numbers, Mason! |
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| 03:49:22 | [Saint] | In all fairness, I say go for it...I need some spares for my h3**. |
| 03:49:57 | [Saint] | I don't need a mainboard, but I would love a spare LCD and case. |
| 03:51:13 | Bilgus | lol, I'm not sure what the options are in terms of upgraded SMD components or how exactly you would go about quantifying that |
| 03:52:02 | [Saint] | fishbulb: TL;DR: there's absolutely nothing you can replace that will make any meaningful difference that won't; |
| 03:52:02 | [Saint] | A - Require major re-routing of the mainboard, and/or |
| 03:52:02 | [Saint] | B - Require a major software re-write. |
| 03:52:13 | Bilgus | as for a portable amp I think that is just one more thing to carry around I'd throw my money into a better set of headphones |
| 03:52:50 | Bilgus | Lower impedance the better |
| 03:53:21 | [Saint] | Bilgus: a lot of people tend to forget about impedance matching their monitors, and making sure there's enough output to actually drive them. |
| 03:53:42 | [Saint] | just "get better monitors" almost always also means getting a portable active or discrete amp. |
| 03:53:43 | Bilgus | figure an amp is just going to amplify whatever you don't like in the original signal GIGO |
| 03:54:14 | fishbulb | or you have cans that the thing can't really drive properly |
| 03:54:41 | fishbulb | like literally anything with a "form factor" |
| 03:55:04 | [Saint] | I use the FiiO Mont Blanc personally. |
| 03:55:25 | [Saint] | Nothing quite like the feeling of carrying around a small explosive device close to your genitals to make you feel alive. |
| 03:56:07 | Bilgus | hmm you and I we have different definitions of feeling alive :p |
| 03:56:33 | [Saint] | I have a bit of a wank everyday setup. |
| 03:56:44 | [Saint] | SSD converted iPod Classic 6G w/ extended battery, FiiO Mont Blanc, and UE 18 Pro full custom monitors. |
| 03:56:46 | fishbulb | that one is pretty expensive |
| 03:56:54 | [Saint] | It is. Yes. |
| 03:57:00 | fishbulb | the fiio |
| 03:57:25 | [Saint] | I wouldn't look at the cost of my monitors then... |
| 03:57:33 | fishbulb | I just use reference headphones |
| 03:57:39 | fishbulb | sennheisers are good |
| 03:57:54 | fishbulb | anything used in studios are good |
| 03:58:14 | [Saint] | sennheisers /can/ be good. |
| 03:58:21 | [Saint] | very far from "are" good though. |
| 03:58:27 | [Saint] | they really make some absolute shit. |
| 03:58:37 | [Saint] | there's a few rare gems in there though. |
| 03:58:44 | fishbulb | ok their studio headphones and some others are good |
| 03:59:00 | fishbulb | anything upwards of those aren't shitty |
| 03:59:16 | fishbulb | not anything, but anything people rate |
| 03:59:30 | [Saint] | spending the ludicrous monies for lifetime guaranteed full replacement warranty custom molded monitors was the best audio descision I ever made I think. |
| 03:59:33 | fishbulb | "things that other people say are good are usually good" |
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| 04:00:11 | fishbulb | I just got some memory foam/pleather cushions |
| 04:00:26 | fishbulb | those work better than the stock ones |
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| 04:01:26 | Bilgus | cool thing about in ear is how much less power you need to destroy your hearing |
| 04:01:28 | fishbulb | that fiio e12 analogue is too expensive compared to other ones, there's a couple of chinese things that are ok |
| 04:01:42 | fishbulb | I got tired of in ear because so much wax built up |
| 04:02:08 | fishbulb | and in australian summer it's sweaty as hell, they fall out a bit |
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| 04:02:17 | [Saint] | I dunno man...I mean, reviewers /loved/ the IE80s. |
| 04:02:26 | [Saint] | WHich are, IMO, the worst purchase I ever made. |
| 04:02:53 | [Saint] | Stupid bass-heavy pieces of shit, even when you tune them to their minimal bass output. |
| 04:02:55 | fishbulb | sites like head-fi trashed the objective amp and have some really biased reviews so they'll get given more shit |
| 04:03:11 | [Saint] | God I really wanted to like the IE80s for what I paid for them. |
| 04:03:17 | [Saint] | They really are trash though. |
| 04:03:45 | [Saint] | If you google 'em you'll probably immediately go "ooooohhhhh, those ones - yeah" |
| 04:04:17 | fishbulb | I've only seen them |
| 04:04:23 | [Saint] | Ah. |
| 04:04:28 | fishbulb | I had cx500 as my last in ear |
| 04:05:34 | [Saint] | I got the EU16 Pros and then at some point was upgraded for cost+shipping to the EU18 Pros when I needed to send them in for a slight readjustment against new molds. |
| 04:05:36 | fishbulb | they were pretty good but that sweat issue |
| 04:06:02 | fishbulb | anything that makes my ears more gross is sort of bad |
| 04:06:31 | [Saint] | One thing I find mildly annoying about the EU18s in the custom fitting is that they are almost, dare I say it, /too/ isolating. |
| 04:06:34 | [Saint] | Pretty easy to wander out into traffic, etc. |
| 04:06:48 | fishbulb | oh yeah I was almost hit by a couple of busses |
| 04:06:58 | fishbulb | those guys do not stop, trams are easier to see coming |
| 04:07:15 | fishbulb | also cyclists can come out of nowhere |
| 04:07:37 | fishbulb | I've caused a couple of accidents and near accidents with nothing in or on my ears |
| 04:08:10 | [Saint] | probably the best thing you can do for your h300 is sell it and rebuild an iPod 5.5G or 6G as solid state+large battery. |
| 04:08:16 | fishbulb | with arrogant spandex dudes assuming I'd hear or see them coming up at 50km/h on a dead silent bike |
| 04:08:32 | fishbulb | no they don't sound that much better |
| 04:08:48 | fishbulb | why would you say ditch the h300 for an ipod? |
| 04:08:53 | [Saint] | I guess you like your output a bit more colourful than I do. |
| 04:08:58 | [Saint] | I like mine to be flat. |
| 04:09:02 | fishbulb | colourful how |
| 04:09:15 | Bilgus | as in not the intended reproduction |
| 04:09:21 | [Saint] | ^ that |
| 04:09:26 | fishbulb | I'm probably just used to it, I always had a large battery and I did an ssd |
| 04:09:32 | fishbulb | yeah but where are you getting your information? |
| 04:09:43 | [Saint] | RMAA |
| 04:09:50 | fishbulb | can I see? |
| 04:10:19 | [Saint] | errrrr, sec. I might have a comparison set local. |
| 04:10:36 | fishbulb | these "studio headphones" are reasonably flat, not linear |
| 04:10:42 | fishbulb | even my studio monitors are flattish |
| 04:10:51 | fishbulb | and those cost a lot |
| 04:11:36 | fishbulb | pretty flat actually, surprising what can come out of things the size of a shoebox |
| 04:11:52 | fishbulb | krk used to make some good speakers |
| 04:12:34 | fishbulb | at some point they turned chinese and grey/silver |
| 04:12:48 | fishbulb | before that they were chinese for like one or two models |
| 04:13:33 | [Saint] | Hmmmmm, fuck. I can't find my RMAA sets offhand. I do have them somewhere around. |
| 04:13:33 | [Saint] | What I recall was the h300 had a really bad 'hiss' that the iPod 6g doesn't, and the iPods and h300 both had a pretty sharp roll off in the high frequencies but in the h300 it actually started in the audible spectrum. |
| 04:14:00 | [Saint] | But I understand this is subjective. If I can't find loaded and unloded results I'll attempt to reproduce them and see if they stack up. |
| 04:14:33 | fishbulb | I notice a hiss compared to some other sources |
| 04:14:54 | fishbulb | I thought it was components getting crappier because it's twelve years old now |
| 04:15:12 | [Saint] | AFAIR it's just an inherent quality of the H300. |
| 04:15:35 | fishbulb | I was thinking of the xduoo x3 |
| 04:15:40 | fishbulb | and an amp |
| 04:15:46 | Bilgus | bah imo that 12 years old probably means better components in the first place |
| 04:15:59 | fishbulb | it does, these things are bricks |
| 04:16:14 | [Saint] | The YP-R* are weird little devices. |
| 04:16:24 | fishbulb | the what? |
| 04:16:35 | [Saint] | Well made, I think I'm the only person in history who's bricked one. |
| 04:17:04 | fishbulb | I mean anything slim like phones clip at low volumes |
| 04:17:22 | [Saint] | One of our hosted platforms. re: YP-RO/YP-R1 |
| 04:17:24 | fishbulb | I've never heard a good phone or anything that isn't a dedicated player |
| 04:17:33 | fishbulb | how much are they? |
| 04:18:02 | [Saint] | Not sure. I got mine at cost+shipping, which ended up at just over $150 NZD. |
| 04:18:26 | [Saint] | Which isn't a useful value to anyone who can't get the same deal. |
| 04:18:38 | fishbulb | I was looking at the xduoo x3 because for about 150aud it's 256gb of storage and 24bit with decent stuff |
| 04:19:07 | [Saint] | You're thinking Rockbox, yes? I mean, the original FW is trash. |
| 04:19:28 | [Saint] | You should know that anything higher than 16bit is just useless fluff that'll be internally downsampled. |
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| 04:19:42 | fishbulb | I wouldn't get a player that couldn't do rockbox |
| 04:19:42 | [Saint] | So, don't target those magic numbers deliberately. |
| 04:19:58 | [Saint] | I mean, honestly, there's really no fucking point in anything higher than 16bit anyway. |
| 04:20:02 | fishbulb | yes but the dac does... stuff |
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| 04:20:18 | Bilgus | like burns power and cash? yes :p |
| 04:20:27 | [Saint] | the DAC does what it is told. |
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| 04:20:55 | fishbulb | 100usd for 256gb of storage and 10 hours of playback that is neutral and supposedly good is a good price |
| 04:21:02 | fishbulb | for a metal thing |
| 04:21:32 | [Saint] | Anyway, my point is, if you go in targeting things like 96KHz+, or 24bit+, you're playing a fools game. |
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| 04:21:41 | [Saint] | because we do 16/48 max. |
| 04:21:46 | fishbulb | most reviews are good |
| 04:22:14 | [Saint] | there's no good reason to have greater than 16/48 in consumer reproduction audio anyway. |
| 04:22:24 | fishbulb | couldn't hurt |
| 04:22:28 | [Saint] | you're not dynamically live mixing the soundstage out and about. |
| 04:22:35 | [Saint] | and, yes, actually it can hurt. |
| 04:22:54 | fishbulb | plugging things into good speakers is pretty common |
| 04:23:13 | [Saint] | and 24/96+ is meaningless in that context. |
| 04:23:19 | [Saint] | like, absolutely so. |
| 04:23:48 | a_person | The themes and forums subdomains are unreachable (by me). I'm guessing that the folks who ought to know already know but it has been a while so I figured I'd just wave the flag just in case it was unnoticed. |
| 04:24:10 | fishbulb | well it can't record and I'm positive my ears are more damaged from gigs than would be necessary to notice it, so this is a theoretical argument |
| 04:24:14 | [Saint] | none of the hardware in the world is going to change /your/ hardware, and your ears aren't ever going to be capable of perceiving anything that can't be duplicated in 16bits. |
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| 04:24:38 | fishbulb | I know this |
| 04:24:45 | fishbulb | but if the hardware can do it, good |
| 04:24:52 | fishbulb | it's got good dacs and amps |
| 04:25:36 | fishbulb | I'm short on cash and it looks like an alright price, I can't change anything about my iriver |
| 04:26:26 | Bilgus | a_persion afaik it it known and will be fixed when they get a chance, works about 10hrs out of each day |
| 04:26:33 | Bilgus | a_person |
| 04:26:47 | [Saint] | it'll work intermittently, or it won't. |
| 04:26:50 | [Saint] | the issue is known. |
| 04:27:03 | [Saint] | it's suffering a non-targeted DDOS on and off. |
| 04:27:13 | fishbulb | what? |
| 04:27:48 | [Saint] | Bah. Force of habit. Added another D. |
| 04:27:48 | [Saint] | (heh...the D) |
| 04:27:49 | fishbulb | why would someone bother |
| 04:27:52 | a_person | cool. |
| 04:28:02 | [Saint] | see "non-targeted", fishbulb. |
| 04:28:14 | [Saint] | no one is bothering. |
| 04:28:30 | fishbulb | do you do SDR stuff too, I've seen you somewhere else |
| 04:29:02 | fishbulb | multirotors? rtlsdr? |
| 04:29:21 | fishbulb | a vaping channel? |
| 04:29:28 | [Saint] | I have been known to, but I mostly do JEOS Kodi stuffs, and a bunch of Android stuffs. |
| 04:29:48 | fishbulb | I'm looking at a cat s60 |
| 04:30:01 | fishbulb | I can't find any better phone, milspec and with a thermal camera |
| 04:30:13 | fishbulb | if you know of phones that have cooler shit than that I'm all ears |
| 04:30:18 | fishbulb | my phone is from last decade |
| 04:31:30 | [Saint] | S7 in an otterbox extreme. |
| 04:31:31 | [Saint] | you'll use the thermal cam like...once. |
| 04:31:32 | fishbulb | I ran out of corpses to rebuild this phone, it's on it's last regeneration |
| 04:31:43 | fishbulb | no I'll use it a bit, I have a touring muscle car |
| 04:32:00 | [Saint] | then you should get a real, dedicated thermal cam. |
| 04:32:02 | fishbulb | I built it, I already have sensors everywhere |
| 04:32:33 | fishbulb | no I'd use this phone, I wouldn't afford or use a dedicated thermal camera for how useful it is |
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| 04:32:57 | fishbulb | more than the sensors that are in place and common sense when it comes to driving high output cars hard |
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| 04:33:13 | [Saint] | the problem with those cat phones is they just can't resist shitting over the software for no good reason, there's no third party development paths for them, and the hardware they shipped with was already ~18 months outdated at launch. |
| 04:33:19 | [Saint] | and they're fucking expensive. |
| 04:33:40 | [Saint] | may as well get a flagship device and an extreme reggedized case. |
| 04:33:44 | fishbulb | how do you know those are problems, the android has barely been messed with |
| 04:33:58 | fishbulb | it's already milspec and has a thermal camera, and decent enough specs |
| 04:34:09 | fishbulb | does the s7 still explode? |
| 04:34:20 | [Saint] | It never did. Way to bias. |
| 04:34:35 | fishbulb | I went on some flights recently and they banned them from the aircraft |
| 04:34:41 | [Saint] | No they didn't. |
| 04:34:53 | fishbulb | yes, they did |
| 04:35:08 | [Saint] | No. You're very clearly mistaking and conflating S and Note series devices. |
| 04:35:13 | [Saint] | *mistaken |
| 04:35:15 | fishbulb | they banned them outright from the aircraft and you had to mail them back |
| 04:35:22 | fishbulb | oh the note 7 |
| 04:35:35 | fishbulb | galaxy note 7 then |
| 04:35:41 | fishbulb | I really don't care about phones |
| 04:35:44 | [Saint] | And also more iPhones have "exploded" than Note 7s, period. |
| 04:35:52 | [Saint] | Samsung just handled it better. |
| 04:36:11 | Bilgus | Lithium ions are awesome :D |
| 04:36:12 | fishbulb | obviously samsung telling the aircraft made them as illegal as drugs |
| 04:38:11 | [Saint] | Eh. Not really. That was more a vitriolic reaction from the concern trolls of the public sector and a really well executed smear campaign. |
| 04:38:36 | [Saint] | Samsung did the right fucking thing and got slammed for it, because fair competition in the mobile sector isn't a thing. |
| 04:38:57 | [Saint] | ANd now it's "the phone that explodes", and there's so much bias around people can't even get the damn model right. |
| 04:39:11 | Bilgus | I had a gps unit go all melt down on my dash a few years ago, Luckily it just suffered a mangled case as I took it apart and ripped the battery from it |
| 04:39:12 | fishbulb | no they got banned from aircraft |
| 04:39:26 | [Saint] | I realize you didn;t do that intentionally but it really helps validate my point, so I'll own it. |
| 04:39:36 | fishbulb | I'm sure if I went into a store they wouldn't say "oh do you want the pre recall model or the one that never has caught on fire" |
| 04:39:48 | fishbulb | "do you want a burnt one or a normal one" |
| 04:40:15 | Bilgus | if the price was right I'd gladly take the 'burnt' ones |
| 04:40:32 | fishbulb | why? |
| 04:40:48 | [Saint] | I dunno man. You might be surprised how far this even innocent biases travel. |
| 04:40:48 | [Saint] | For a while, perhaps even still, Google autosuggestion for "I want a phone that..." |
| 04:40:54 | [Saint] | was "doesn't explode". |
| 04:40:59 | Bilgus | bc I don't subject my devices to such extremes |
| 04:41:24 | Bilgus | ever read the warnings in your phones manual? |
| 04:41:28 | [Saint] | Bilgus: me too. Honestly, I've got better odds of being hit by lightning, or eaten by a shark. |
| 04:41:31 | fishbulb | if I see "if you have any narcotics or a samsung s7 you'll probably be put in prison" AT AN AIRPORT |
| 04:41:33 | [Saint] | And I live 4km inland. |
| 04:41:54 | fishbulb | then yeah I'm going to think "oh that must have been a bad thing" |
| 04:42:01 | [Saint] | Samsung just did the right thing for consumer safety by just going "nope, fuck it, we're taken' 'em all back". |
| 04:42:09 | [Saint] | which hilariously, caused even more concern. |
| 04:42:28 | [Saint] | The Apple or other OEM way of handling it is to quietly just pay the fuckers out to avoid a civil suit. |
| 04:42:34 | fishbulb | you have to carry all lipos on carryon |
| 04:43:07 | [Saint] | fishbulb: which is the problem. They did the /right/ thing. |
| 04:43:11 | [Saint] | Not a bad thing. |
| 04:43:17 | fishbulb | all lithium batteries that have insane capacities, which I take on planes, have to be carried on board |
| 04:43:34 | fishbulb | if you have any rechargeable li-ion or lipo in your checked baggage they'll take it out |
| 04:43:39 | fishbulb | on any plane |
| 04:43:47 | fishbulb | or, a phone that has been known to explode |
| 04:43:51 | fishbulb | publically known to explode |
| 04:44:13 | fishbulb | like I said I don't give a fuck about any phones, other than the cat s60 and you didn't explain why that's a bad phone |
| 04:44:24 | fishbulb | the android it comes with hasn't been fucked with |
| 04:44:29 | Bilgus | how do you regulate an explosive device in most consumers pockets no less a device that people would have a melt down without |
| 04:44:33 | fishbulb | from what I can see they've done everything right |
| 04:45:12 | fishbulb | bilgus an 18650 shorted will go off like a decent bomb |
| 04:45:17 | fishbulb | a decent 18650 |
| 04:45:22 | fishbulb | it'll cause havoc |
| 04:45:33 | Bilgus | all except they have a protection device built in |
| 04:45:42 | fishbulb | no they don't, none of the ones I do have |
| 04:45:47 | fishbulb | I said decent |
| 04:45:56 | Bilgus | oh yes they do its called venting |
| 04:46:02 | fishbulb | these discharge rates can never have protection |
| 04:46:10 | fishbulb | he meant protection as in circuits that pop |
| 04:46:14 | fishbulb | and they don't vent |
| 04:46:24 | fishbulb | they spray lava out |
| 04:47:07 | [Saint] | I did. You just didn't accept it. Which is usually the case when someone doesn't want an opinion, but is rather seeking validation of the descision they're already made: |
| 04:47:07 | [Saint] | - no clear commitment to update cycle |
| 04:47:07 | [Saint] | - shipped with ~18mo outdated hardware |
| 04:47:07 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK [Saint] |
| 04:47:07 | [Saint] | - zero path for third party development when you're eventually left out in the cold |
| 04:47:08 | fishbulb | or they explode and then spray burning stuff out |
| 04:47:23 | fishbulb | the cat phones? where dd you get that info? |
| 04:47:40 | fishbulb | caterpillar aren't going to go broke any time soon |
| 04:47:49 | [Saint] | what do you think that means? |
| 04:48:05 | [Saint] | they're also not going to keep supporting it indefinitely. |
| 04:48:15 | fishbulb | military spec anything is lucky to have 18mo old hardware at all |
| 04:48:38 | Bilgus | that is the thing about most any consumer products they are outdated when you get them |
| 04:48:54 | [Saint] | which for a new mobile is a huge fucking problem, especially when that ingress protection can be added to almost any flagship with an external case. |
| 04:49:09 | fishbulb | what's some flagship devices then |
| 04:49:29 | fishbulb | what do any of them do that are at all useful like a thermal camera |
| 04:49:34 | fishbulb | the FLIR external things are crap |
| 04:49:52 | [Saint] | My God, seriously? S7, Pixel/XL, N6P, V20... |
| 04:50:02 | fishbulb | I'd want audio, awesome gps and outdoors stuff, or... a dedicated qwerty keyboard |
| 04:50:06 | [Saint] | and the thing that is useful like a therman camera is a dedicated therman camera. |
| 04:50:07 | fishbulb | I don't give a fuck about photography |
| 04:50:10 | [Saint] | *thermal |
| 04:50:45 | [Saint] | So, I refer back to my point of "you don't want opinions, you want validation". |
| 04:50:55 | [Saint] | And you won't get that from me. |
| 04:52:04 | [Saint] | I mean...who cares about a current OS and guaranteed security advisory patches, right? ....nah. No one. You're right. |
| 04:52:09 | Bilgus | good luck getting an actual keyboard on phones :/ |
| 04:52:55 | [Saint] | Bilgus: you're not aware of the blackberry clusterfuck then I take it. |
| 04:53:15 | Bilgus | that is why there are touch screen devices in my kids pockets 3 around the house doing various things but a dumb phone in my pocket |
| 04:53:29 | [Saint] | Blackberry Priv. |
| 04:53:39 | Bilgus | I can text and not have to look at the damn thing |
| 04:53:41 | [Saint] | I shit you not that's a thing that exists and was launched this sector. |
| 04:54:24 | Bilgus | that is... AWESOME :) |
| 04:54:28 | [Saint] | SOme marketing team decided "yes, this is a thing that will work", and managed to get it all the way through production into sales before they remembered it was a shit idea all the other times anyone tried it. |
| 04:55:05 | [Saint] | including almost bankrupting themselves years ago be refusing to modernize. |
| 04:55:21 | [Saint] | they though they would claw their way back and have another go throwing money into the money pit. |
| 04:55:25 | [Saint] | 'cos...reasons. |
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| 04:56:45 | Bilgus | I'm just fine with my dumb phone tbh $35 every 3 years I can beat someone unconscious with it and then call 911 for them |
| 04:58:03 | Bilgus | when I need a computer I use my tablet or my lappy |
| 04:58:20 | Bilgus | but I'm weird |
| 04:58:37 | [Saint] | Modern handsets reflect the fact that tablets are deceased technology. |
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| 04:58:56 | Bilgus | why because they are so freaking large? |
| 04:58:58 | [Saint] | phones and tablets raised and lowered in size and stabilized on ~6" |
| 04:59:20 | Bilgus | I knew there was a reason for those big pockets on jnco jeans |
| 04:59:41 | [Saint] | I would need some really compelling reasons to go back to a smaller device. |
| 04:59:44 | Bilgus | they just happened to be 10 years early |
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| 05:00:10 | [Saint] | me from ~2 years ago thought the Nexus 6 was a whale (the internal name is 'shamu' - lol). |
| 05:00:17 | [Saint] | Now...it's just "a phone". |
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| 05:03:41 | Bilgus | so on how many devices is the current dev build too big? |
| 05:05:49 | fishbulb | I want something milspec |
| 05:06:18 | fishbulb | tablets are still good |
| 05:06:39 | fishbulb | I have an android tablet which is why I don't give a fuck about phones unless they do something a tablet can't |
| 05:06:45 | fishbulb | which isn't much, tablets are large and powerful |
| 05:07:21 | fishbulb | the size and power of a tablet is the good thing about them |
| 05:07:26 | fishbulb | and battery life |
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| 05:08:03 | fishbulb | my laptop is a tablet too but linux isn't a good platform for battery life graphics or maps or... anything |
| 05:08:35 | fishbulb | and if I'm going to give my phone number to android it's for a milspec phone or one that does something phenomenal |
| 05:08:48 | fishbulb | android and the dozen other companies that'll get all my info immediately |
| 05:08:57 | fishbulb | and sync all that bullshit |
| 05:09:19 | fishbulb | take all my information when I click "ok" |
| 05:11:50 | fishbulb | [Saint], where can I talk about phones? |
| 05:12:26 | [Saint] | In general, or somewhere where people aren't going to mock the shit out of you for that Cat monstrosity? |
| 05:12:43 | JensB | :) |
| 05:12:55 | fishbulb | phones that are good |
| 05:13:06 | fishbulb | somewhere people know phones |
| 05:13:25 | [Saint] | #android is the obvious choice - I'd keep the Cat thing to yourself though. |
| 05:13:34 | fishbulb | no, that's the only phone I like |
| 05:13:45 | [Saint] | Then, nowhere. |
| 05:13:53 | [Saint] | And, I would also wonder why. |
| 05:13:59 | fishbulb | why what |
| 05:14:04 | [Saint] | You just want a fucking echo chamber or self validation. |
| 05:14:13 | fishbulb | I'd prefer a milspec phone |
| 05:14:43 | fishbulb | a slightly smaller screen, a bigger battery and military grade durability |
| 05:15:18 | fishbulb | a flagship device is a thin fashionable piece of crap that will shatter like a faberge egg and cost just as much |
| 05:16:05 | fishbulb | if I want to break an android device that I actually want to use, I'd just throw my tablet at a wall |
| 05:16:35 | [Saint] | It is obvious you have some extreme biases, I have no want or desire to contribute to the fishbulb echo chamber of self validation and butthurt. |
| 05:17:11 | fishbulb | which channels have other people who keep up with phones? |
| 05:17:52 | JensB | I don't know anything about phones or tablets or android, so I can't help you finding a channel - except for: try google. |
| 05:19:27 | [Saint] | Last thing I'll say on the topic would be, again, #android. But this is not the place for you if you actually want objective reasoning. |
| 05:19:49 | [Saint] | It's not the CAT fanclub and the hardware will rightly be railed for obscurity. |
| 05:20:39 | [Saint] | sorry, s/if you/unless you/ |
| 05:21:27 | JensB | A few hours ago, I succeeded in building a rbclient and tested builds with 3 architectures. |
| 05:21:48 | [Saint] | Nice. |
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| 05:22:01 | JensB | I executed runclient.sh, but I haven't seen any build reports. |
| 05:22:09 | JensB | Is there a way I can make sure it's working ? |
| 05:22:17 | [Saint] | There haven't been any commits. |
| 05:22:27 | [Saint] | So, this would be entirely normal. |
| 05:23:06 | JensB | I feel better already. :) |
| 05:23:46 | JensB | Is there a list of build-clients somewhere (rockbox is great at making statistics web-sites, btw). |
| 05:26:07 | Bilgus | So on how many devices is the current dev build too big? |
| 05:30:15 | [Saint] | None. But that's because we've had to get somewhat aggressive with ifdef'ing shit out. |
| 05:30:53 | [Saint] | If you were to blanket enable all optional features that /could/ build for every given target I think there's going to be at least 3 casualties. |
| 05:31:08 | Bilgus | archosplayer, |
| 05:32:05 | Bilgus | archosrecorder, |
| 05:40:54 | Bilgus | on the recorder error: firmware image is 327634 bytes while max size is 204800! |
| 05:41:14 | Bilgus | I can't imagine my patch adds that much |
| 05:41:33 | Bilgus | am I doing something wrong? |
| 05:43:25 | Bilgus | maybe i need to set the ram size instead of using default? |
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| 05:51:15 | [Saint] | I really don't see any way possible you'll be able to cram it in there. |
| 05:51:40 | [Saint] | like, for those targets, it is virtually impossible to add any new features at all. |
| 05:52:10 | [Saint] | but overflowing it by such a huge amount does indeed suggest something went very weird. |
| 05:52:48 | Bilgus | so how can I conditionally define out my patch on unsupported builds? |
| 05:53:50 | [Saint] | for those it is pretty easy, just wrap it all in #ifdef PLAYER_PAD |
| 05:54:15 | Bilgus | well then I sure hope there aren't many |
| 05:55:08 | fishbulb | any hands on experience with topping nx2 ? |
| 05:55:24 | [Saint] | It really would be nice if Mr. Someone finished up with the Gerrit hooks for pushing builds to the build client on-demand. |
| 05:56:27 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 05:56:27 | * | [Saint] is pretty much religiously a bottom. |
| 05:56:30 | [Saint] | topping ain't my bag. |
| 05:59:03 | fishbulb | why not |
| 05:59:11 | fishbulb | oh right |
| 05:59:33 | fishbulb | gay sex |
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| 06:01:13 | Bilgus | [Saint]: So if for instance the archosplayer is there an actual def or do I need to check MODELNAME? |
| 06:01:31 | [Saint] | wait...hmmm, I can't kick myself? |
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| 06:02:49 | [Saint] | For reference I tried to be diplomatic and kick myself with the message 'fair is fair' - but Chanserv seems to (rightly) assume no one is that retarded. |
| 06:03:42 | scorche | i'm pretty sure you didnt descend into homophobic crap |
| 06:03:53 | [Saint] | Bilgus: I referenced it. PLAYER_PAD is an easy way of referencing all the Archos Player variants. |
| 06:04:29 | Bilgus | well it seems to be okay with a few? wouldn't want to nuke them all |
| 06:04:29 | fishbulb | it was pro homo |
| 06:04:40 | fishbulb | he started it |
| 06:04:46 | [Saint] | I did. |
| 06:04:48 | fishbulb | does anyone have experience with the topping nx2 |
| 06:05:34 | fishbulb | it's a dac amp, has android support |
| 06:06:24 | Bilgus | archosfmrecorder,archosrecorderv2,archosondiosp, archosondiofm |
| 06:06:35 | Bilgus | all compiled fine |
| 06:07:24 | [Saint] | Oh, right - then, you will need to be more specific. |
| 06:07:57 | Bilgus | So MODELNAME? |
| 06:08:19 | [Saint] | #ifndef MODEL_FOO || MODEL_BAR || MODEL_BAZ |
| 06:08:19 | [Saint] | funsies() |
| 06:08:19 | [Saint] | #elif |
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| 06:08:19 | [Saint] | nofunsies() |
| 06:08:41 | Bilgus | lol |
| 06:09:03 | [Saint] | Sadly, there's no "big 'ol list of target defines". |
| 06:09:48 | [Saint] | not in a single place I mean. |
| 06:14:52 | Bilgus | hmm so maybe a better idea is to define something if I want to enable.. then I only have to have one place like this #if (defined(HAVE_BACKLIGHT) || !defined(HAS_BUTTON_HOLD)) && !(defined(ARCHOS_PLAYER) || defined(ARCHOS_RECORDER)) #define SELBL |
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| 06:15:20 | Bilgus | any clue where I could do that like SOURCES or something |
| 06:18:39 | Bilgus | alsoi I get a bunch of errors about the keymap being unsupported for iriverifp7xx |
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| 06:20:45 | Bilgus | I guess the better question is Where I should do it |
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| 07:14:05 | Bilgus | Ok I guess the archos player is fine since the image gets compressed but the archosrecorder is still way over even after compression and this is with the current DEV build ie. Straight from the server |
| 07:14:59 | Bilgus | error: firmware image is 324306 bytes while max size is 204800! >>Compression >> error: firmware image is 217202 bytes while max size is 204800! |
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| 10:15:35 | wodz | pamaury: I successfully compiled nwz toolchain with rockboxdev.sh from gerrit. Good work. |
| 10:15:47 | pamaury | great :) |
| 10:17:00 | pamaury | __builtin: button status is updatded once per tick (ie HZ rate) |
| 10:18:44 | pamaury | so there is no point in trying to read the button state faster than this |
| 10:24:46 | pixelma | [Saint]: there only is one Archos Player, no variants |
| 10:25:54 | pixelma | that's the one with the charcell display |
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| 10:38:50 | pixelma | Bilgus: the fact that this is broken is probably not your fault and the fact that these warnings don't show up on the site is that they were surpressed at the time when it was clear that without a real big change rombox which is the thing broken IIRC would not be possible anymore. The firmware itself gets build still and works but only in the "load from disk" form not the "load from ROM". If the "ajbrec.ajz" file gets built and put in the zip you |
| 10:38:50 | pixelma | should be fine, I believe |
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| 10:44:24 | pixelma | one thing that comes to my mind without having checked your patch though - the backlight related part should be wrapped in an ifdef HAVE_BACKLIGHT or HAS... whatever is the correct term there as e.g. the stock Ondio does not have a backlight but softhold. There is the possibility for a backlight mod which then needs a custom firmware but I'd exclude it (in the correct way) |
| 10:46:41 | pixelma | I mean excluding for the majority but depending on the feature so that whenever someone builds an advance build with backlight it is automagically included |
| 10:48:27 | pixelma | advanced too |
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| 11:38:52 | JensB | I think you guys might benefit from using lz4 compression - especially for graphics. |
| 11:38:52 | JensB | https://community.arm.com/docs/DOC-10570 |
| 11:39:14 | JensB | https://cyan4973.github.io/lz4/ |
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| 11:42:17 | JensB | ... sorry correction to the github link ... http://github.com/Cyan4973 |
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| 11:44:25 | JensB | ... eh and of course ... lz4.org |
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| 11:49:30 | wodz | JensB: Not really. Al in all you need to have *decompressed* version in memory anyway. Storage space is cheap while RAM is precious on this devices. |
| 11:50:58 | JensB | Well, you can of course compress the entire thing and load it into RAM and then decompress it into RAM - that is not worth anything. |
| 11:51:20 | JensB | But if you compress each image used and store in Flash-memory, then you can decompress them when they need to be drawn. |
| 11:51:37 | JensB | Thus you can sometimes have 400K on a 200K device. |
| 11:51:52 | wodz | little gain for MUCH complexity really |
| 11:52:16 | JensB | That means your program must be reduced in size. |
| 11:52:40 | JensB | Otherwise it won't fit - because you can't expand the memory as the memory in the device is fixed. :) |
| 11:53:33 | wodz | JensB: I'll happily evaluate patch if you propose one but trust me the gain will be little and added complexity huge. |
| 11:54:31 | JensB | OK |
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| 12:25:13 | wodz | pamaury: Do you know any free tool which can statically evaluate stack usage? gcc has -fstack-usage but this is per function. In theory you could combine this with callgraph (-fdump-rtl-dfinish might be useful) BUT I can't find any working tool to do that |
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| 12:36:14 | pamaury | wodz: no, I have never tried to evaluate stackusage |
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| 12:37:35 | fIorz | hi |
| 12:39:00 | fIorz | I just installed rockbox on a Sansa Clip that the original firmware kept rebooting on on track changes and fun stuff like that, no such problems with rockbox! :-) |
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