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#rockbox log for 2016-12-09

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00:12:29[Saint]__builtin: I may or may not be slightly, terribly, or catastrophically wrong on this but I'm not positive you can.
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00:26:58__builtinwhat the heck is the return value supposed to do then?
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01:02:51[Saint]__builtin: I'm not sure I'm parsing the question properly.
01:03:32[Saint]Why would you expect a return value to return anything if the function is canceled?
01:04:36[Saint]Return values (generally speaking) are for reporting success/fail, and the function needs to arrive at that destination itself.
01:07:49gevaertsWhat does "the function needs to arrive at that destination itself" mean?
01:08:23[Saint]either success or fail as destinations.
01:09:03[Saint]abruptly canceled, presumably by something external, isn't something I would expect to get a valid (or any) return for.
01:09:28gevaertsWhy not?
01:10:52[Saint]How is it deriving it is canceled?
01:11:11[Saint]And, what is reporting it if it is?
01:12:55gevaertsset_int() calls option_screen()
01:13:20gevaertsPresumably "canceled" means the user has said they changed their mind
01:13:33[Saint]AFAIK set_int only knows if it did or didn't do what is asked of it. Perhaps I'm parsing this too literally, or not looking at it holistically, but how does it know if it gets cut in half by something during that?
01:13:41[Saint]Ah. Right. Hmmm.
01:13:47gevaertsThat's a perfectly well defined behaviour
01:14:08gevaertsFunctions don't stop halfway for no reason
01:14:19gevaertsWell, except panic() and rolo()
01:14:45[Saint]I was taking 'canceled' as 'stopped before a success/fail by any means'.
01:15:01[Saint]so I was very confused as to why you'd expect a return from that.
01:15:12gevaertsYes, but that doesn't *mean* anything
01:16:03gevaerts"Oh, the CPU changed its mind" means the device is broken, it's not something normal software needs to take into account
01:17:48[Saint]Without looking I'd be surprised if it took into account something else abruptly stopping that thread. If that is expected and defined behavior, then, well done.
01:18:31[Saint]Can't say it would be something I'd think to account for.
01:18:45gevaertsThreads that get interrupted get restarted
01:19:44gevaertsAlso, if the thread gets stopped there is *no* return value, not a wrong one. There also is no caller to look at it
01:19:53gevaertss/stopped/killed/
01:20:31[Saint]well, I did say 'valid (or any)'.
01:20:37[Saint]But, you're right - that's fair,
01:21:37[Saint]I guess my line of thinking relies upon a delicious set of esoteric fails, or a deliberate attempt to break things.
01:22:08gevaertsIt relies on a world in which working software is impossible
01:22:27[Saint]so, reality then. ;)
01:23:13gevaertsI didn't say bug-free sofrware
01:23:16gevaertsDifferent thing
01:23:49gevaertsAlso, "impossible" as in "don't expect it to work, ever", not "expect a few issues every now and then"
01:25:02[Saint]Right. I guess that helps highlight one of the issues at hand.
01:25:06[Saint]Ambiguity.
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02:52:45Harbecsup rockbox
02:54:22Harbecwhat program on windows is good to manage music filenames/data?
02:58:38[Saint]MusicBrainz Picard.
02:58:49[Saint]There's really no other competition.
02:59:12[Saint]But, I implore you - _please_ work with a backup copy of your media.
02:59:44[Saint]No matter what software you use, make sure you're doing so with a backup copy and then if you feel you're satisfied replace the originals after the fact.
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03:49:33__builtinoh crap, why isn't this 6G rebooting!?
03:50:16__builtinI hold MENU+SELECT for at least 30 seconds and nothing happens
03:50:24__builtinit's crashed on a data abort
03:52:14__builtinweird, I just had to hold it for a lot longer than usual...
03:52:28[Saint]__builtin: it shouldn't be able to ignore that...
03:52:33[Saint]that's, unusual.
03:52:44__builtinmaybe the buttons are jacked
03:52:59__builtinit works now, probably I wasn't holding them correctly or something
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04:55:43dongs> Picard is a cross-platform music tagger written in Python
04:55:49dongsso many red flags
04:56:02dongscross-platform: BZZZT
04:56:04dongspython: bzzt
04:56:14dongsmeans it doenst work properly on any platform, skipping.
04:56:26dongsi'll stick to naming all my files track??.mp3 and keeping them all in one folder
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05:12:35[Saint]Better uninstall Rockbox then since we're cross-platform and have python utilities.
05:12:40[Saint]Actually...please do.
05:15:24dongsobviosuly not the crossplatform im talking about
05:19:08[Saint]I'm not sure you're even aware of what you're talking about.
05:19:22[Saint]I'm not sure what you think crossplatform means...
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05:25:21[Saint]I'm genuinely curious though. I struggle to find any situation where any widely accepted definition of crossplatform doesn't apply to Rockbox.
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14:15:17*Bilgus 8 hrs later MusicBrainz is ok −−>http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ <- this one is ok as well Mac/Windows
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21:26:58prg318So my old old iPod (5.5gen) is finally dying and i'm debating replacing it. I plan to look through the hardware support in more detail, but does anyone have any general recommendations for modern hardware that rockbox runs on?
21:27:41beanbag-prg318,
21:27:42fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #318 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/318 : 3Support technically invalid image/jpg mimetype in tags. by Frank Gevaerts
21:27:43prg318really just looking for something with disk space ~100GB+(?) and sturdy
21:27:44beanbag-how is it dying
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21:28:06beanbag-screen? battery? disk?
21:28:08prg318beanbag-: the hard drive makes noise; the the screen has lines of dead pixels; the battery lasts about an hour
21:28:10prg318all three :)
21:28:32beanbag-1st and 3rd easily fixed
21:28:39beanbag-a) hd to flash adaptor, new battery
21:29:12prg318like one of these ? https://www.amazon.com/Card-1-8-inch-Adapter-IPOD/dp/B004FD1D2C
21:29:37Zero_DiamondSo uh, my Sansa e260v2 is... really messed up. It refuses to connect to any PC (it just acts like it's being charged) and now it has decided it has 0KB of memory and as a result can do almost nothing.
21:29:39beanbag-yep
21:29:54beanbag-unless you are doing video that eats up massive disk
21:29:59beanbag-fuck a hd in a mobiledevice
21:30:02beanbag-too easil damamaged
21:30:16beanbag-even then now flash sizes have beat hd's that small
21:30:20prg318yeah just 320s, v0s, and some FLAC
21:30:42prg318so yeah i will keep that idea in mind - but i was wondering if there was any new hardware that's worth investigating?
21:30:45gevaertsOf course those flash adapters tend to be a bit hit and miss with rockbox support
21:31:03beanbag-yeah you want to use cf cards that are known to work good with ipod
21:31:11beanbag-some claim dma support and it's buggy shit that flips bits
21:38:21Zero_DiamondIs there some way for me to factory reset this thing in an attempt to try and fix this? I can't find anyone else with the same problem so I don't know if this can even be otherwise fixed
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21:41:46gevaertsZero_Diamond: there's some info on https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick although 0 does seem a bit unusual
21:42:06Zero_Diamondyeah, i have no idea
21:42:08gevaertsI'd bet on broken hardware though
21:42:29gevaertsDoes it still boot its normal firmware?
21:42:42*gevaerts adds a disclaimer that he doesn't know much about the AMS-based sansas
21:43:18Zero_DiamondI don't recall how to boot into normal firmware
21:43:39gevaertsI believe it's hold left for the OF?
21:43:54gevaertsWhen you say it has 0kb, where is that shown?
21:44:04Zero_Diamondunder Buffer in Rockbox Info
21:45:10[Saint]if you're not currently playing any media that is entirely expected.
21:45:16gevaertsah, ok. That's something else and normal
21:45:21Zero_Diamondmikmod won't play anything as it just immediately says "Out of Memory" for everything
21:45:33Zero_DiamondAnd attempting to play anything in the regular player is an instant crash
21:46:35[Saint]gevaerts: aren't these the ones where SDRAM is modular and can become unseated?
21:46:53gevaerts[Saint]: on the e200 *v1* the flash had that problem
21:46:59[Saint]Ah.
21:47:00Zero_Diamond*PANIC*
21:47:05Zero_Diamondaudio_reset_buffer
21:47:20Zero_Diamondis the exact error it gives when you attempt to play anything
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21:47:28gevaertsI don't actually know about the v2 though, but in this case rockbox seems to boot so it can't be just not finding any flash
21:47:34Zero_DiamondIt was giving a different one earlier I think?
21:47:49Zero_DiamondAlso forgot to say but I can indeed boot into the OF
21:48:18Zero_DiamondThere it goes, the message is what I was getting before now
21:48:24Zero_Diamondaudio_reset_buffer_noalloc
21:48:59gevaertsDoes USB work in the OF?
21:49:05Zero_DiamondLemme check
21:49:15[Saint]its definitely odd behavior. gevaerts is quite right, it must be able to access flash and RAM in some capacity.
21:50:22gevaertsI'd say it's either a corrupted filesystem (or flash slowly going bad, which look similar) or some other broken hardware. If you can get USB to work, you can check the FS
21:50:31Zero_DiamondOkay, huh
21:50:49Zero_DiamondIt's actually sticking on Refresh Database in OF
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21:52:07Zero_DiamondOh! There it goes
21:52:16Zero_DiamondI thought it was stuck but it's just going very very slowly
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22:09:02Zero_DiamondWelp
22:09:08Zero_DiamondLooks like it's a hardware issue
22:09:15Zero_DiamondIt just charges in OF
22:14:18gevaertsThat could just be a bad cable of course
22:16:00Zero_DiamondNah, I've tried with multiple cables and multiple computers
22:16:26Zero_DiamondI mean not at this exact moment I haven't but
22:16:54Zero_DiamondBut this revelation on top of those other times leads me to believe I just bought a lemon :\
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23:34:16__builtinhow should I credit the original devs for the sgt-puzzles port?
23:37:17__builtinthe copyright statement reads, "This game collection is copyright 2004-2012 Simon Tatham (portions copyright Richard Boulton, James Harvey, Mike Pinna, Jonas Kölker, Dariusz Olszewski, Michael Schierl, Lambros Lambrou, Bernd Schmidt, Steffen Bauer, Lennard Sprong and Rogier Goossens)."
23:37:51__builtincould I do just "sgt" and "the sgt-puzzles team", or should I list all of the names?
23:42:23gevaertsI'd go for "The sgt-puzzles team (Simon Tatham and others)"
23:42:46gevaertsThat's what most similar things in docs/CREDITS do
23:43:05gevaertsAnd of course leave all names in the source directory
23:43:15__builtinalso, "The sgt-puzzles team" or "The Simon Tatham's Portable Puzzle Collection Team"
23:43:52gevaertsHmmm
23:44:14gevaertsI'd go sgt-puzzles in CREDITS
23:44:21__builtinthe first one is unofficial, but the second one is a mouthful
23:44:28gevaertsYes, exactly
23:54:39__builtinis docs/COMMITTERS used anymore?
23:55:31gevaertsGood question
23:55:39gevaertsI don't think it was ever formally abolished
23:55:56gevaertsBut I'm also not sure if all "recent" committers are in it
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23:56:06__builtinthe most recent one is prof_wolfff I think
23:56:25__builtinwhich was definitely after the git transition IIUC
23:56:36*gevaerts should check one of these days
23:57:18gevaertsI can't remember if the committer list on gerrit is public...

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