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| 00:02:01 | gevaerts | Now of course we can also just ignore the issue |
| 00:02:32 | bluebrother | or use something in-between by linking dynamically and ignoring that this doesn't solve the issue completely :) |
| 00:03:29 | bluebrother | I personally don't mind if my GPL licensed code is linked against openssl, since you can still use my code according to the GPL. But that's just my opinion. |
| 00:03:53 | pamaury | gevaerts: I meant that it seems unlikely one of our devs will object. And if users object we can ignore them |
| 00:04:00 | pamaury | ;) |
| 00:04:42 | chrisjj | pamaury, I'd appreciate any more inside info on the recent ZEN LCD BSoD improvement to help my testing. E.g. to what variables was the fail sensitive ... if not just completely random. |
| 00:05:01 | bluebrother | hmm. There's no issue with LGPL vs openssl, right? |
| 00:06:39 | gevaerts | I believe so |
| 00:07:00 | pamaury | chrisjj: I traced it back to a hardware bug, that I can reproduce fairly well (it's still random but at least I know what happens). But since this hardware bug is not in any errata, I am not sure entirely sure how to workaround it |
| 00:07:42 | pamaury | chrisjj: can you confirm that the problem always happen in the bootloader ? |
| 00:08:06 | chrisjj | Confirm on latest or previous? |
| 00:08:16 | pamaury | both |
| 00:08:27 | pamaury | or maybe latest because I'm unsure about the previous |
| 00:08:31 | pamaury | it was quite old I think |
| 00:09:00 | chrisjj | Previous: no. The problem happens on some boots and some USB dis/connects |
| 00:09:43 | bluebrother | good. We do have LGPL code imported. |
| 00:09:58 | chrisjj | Current: Tests so far show the problem rarely occurs on boot. Test have not yet targetted USB. |
| 00:10:18 | chrisjj | Yes, previous was +2yrs back IIRC. |
| 00:11:25 | pamaury | chrisjj: did you at least notice an improvement with the new code ? |
| 00:11:39 | chrisjj | Re current, because the problem occurrence on boot is rare, and I have no logging, I can't say if it is in the boot loader. |
| 00:12:44 | chrisjj | Yes, a big improvement. So far six units on automated test show fail on boot is 1 in >=100. |
| 00:12:51 | chrisjj | Previous was 1 in 5. |
| 00:13:25 | pamaury | oh, awesome :) that matches my tests then, I'd done around 50 boots without any hang |
| 00:13:29 | * | bluebrother out for today |
| 00:14:10 | chrisjj | If you use the clip trick, you'll get a hang, I think. |
| 00:16:09 | pamaury | Ok I'll try it. The problem is that when the problem occurs, it's too late to solve it and it does not necessarily gives a solution to fix it. I only have a partial understanding of why the hardware goes crazy |
| 00:16:32 | pamaury | But I'll keep trying |
| 00:17:26 | chrisjj | Is there any trick or logging that I can apply to show you at what stage the hang is occurring? |
| 00:18:13 | pamaury | no, I've spent many hours last week-end on it and I know exactly where it fails now. But as I said, when you reach this point, it is too late, the hardware can be recovered :( |
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| 00:19:16 | chrisjj | The hardware can NOT be recovered?? |
| 00:19:23 | pamaury | not until chip reset |
| 00:20:09 | chrisjj | OK. So are we saying there's no value is knowing at what stage the actual hang takes place? |
| 00:20:35 | pamaury | no |
| 00:20:55 | pamaury | the nature of the problem makes it irrelevant |
| 00:21:04 | chrisjj | Got you. So please clarify: what do you mean by "can you confirm that the problem always happen /in/ /the/ /bootloader/"? |
| 00:21:51 | pamaury | I remember so old report about the BSoD happening after boot (I think on backlight on/off) but this problem should be completely fixed |
| 00:21:54 | pamaury | *some |
| 00:22:11 | chrisjj | Some what? |
| 00:22:39 | pamaury | *some old reports |
| 00:23:31 | chrisjj | Yes, I reported the BSoD occurring soon after boot. Checking... |
| 00:28:05 | chrisjj | Original report here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,13462.75.html "Sometimes upon Rockbox program launch, the device goes unresponsive to buttons, showing a black screen" |
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| 00:31:26 | chrisjj | At that time, the BsOD was after "Executing", so I take it that does not say whether it is in the bootloader or not. And I take it by "in the bootloader" you really mean sometime after boot and before Rockbox logo. |
| 00:32:21 | chrisjj | This is the issue I am saying is now rare. If I could catch the rare remaining fail by eye or with some logging , I'd be able to say whether the original issue has gone completely and this is a different fail, or the original issue is greatly reduced though not eliminated. |
| 00:35:51 | pamaury | There are basically two points in time where it can fail: |
| 00:35:51 | pamaury | 1) even before any logo is displayed: you'll most probably see the Creative logo slowly fade away to black (or the screen become white/grey in some rare cases): this is what I call "in bootloader" |
| 00:35:51 | pamaury | 2) after "Executing", when starting the main firmware: you'll typically get a black screen |
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| 00:35:51 | pamaury | Normally, 2) should be gone and 1) is what I fixed. Although if you don't see it happen, if might not be obvious which one it |
| 00:37:47 | pamaury | (note that 1 and 2 are in fact related, simply in case 2 we have more latitude to workaround the problem compared to 1) |
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| 00:43:26 | pamaury | chrisjj: thanks for the report, I'll keep investigating |
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| 01:21:13 | chrisjj | Can anyone tell me what ZEN buttons map to VOL UP and VOL DOWN? |
| 01:43:33 | __builtin | chrisjj: looks like BUTTON_UP/BUTTON_DOWN to me |
| 01:43:39 | __builtin | (apps/keymaps/keymap-zen.c) |
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| 01:50:50 | chrisjj | Thanks. Got it. Watching the WPS volume indicator, I thought the buttons were having no effect, but now I see the indicator changes on only one in sixteen presses. (I have no audio output currently.) |
| 01:52:10 | chrisjj | Switching to rockbox_failsafe, which shows every vol change. |
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| 02:06:58 | __builtin | does g#1431 have any possible side effects? |
| 02:07:19 | Bilgus_ph | chrisjj: it all depends on your theme it seems cabbie takes a number of presses to show vol change |
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| 02:11:35 | chrisjj | Yes. Cabbie seems unduly low-res here. The indicator has pixel positions that are needlessly idle. |
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| 02:15:00 | Bilgus_ph | well it uses two bitmaps and just hides/shows a portion of the solid color one I believe |
| 02:19:47 | chrisjj | Sure, but the hiding is in five-pixel chunks http://i.imgur.com/Gw6kDrJ.png . |
| 02:21:44 | Bilgus_ph | nope looking at the cabbie source it is using multi bitmaps from a single one |
| 02:22:00 | Bilgus_ph | and there are 9 sets |
| 02:22:38 | chrisjj | This is on Creative ZEN. Do you see this chunking on your device? |
| 02:23:28 | Bilgus_ph | so choose a different theme or edit your own I seriously doubt it will get changed since it works, I see it on the clip+ and fuze with cabbie |
| 02:23:46 | Bilgus_ph | and fuze+ too |
| 02:24:32 | chrisjj | Ah, now I see what you mean in the source. A separate sprite for each one. |
| 02:24:43 | Bilgus_ph | https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/tree/1f8ea9fe27313228e5df67ce6447830b5c30e5e3/wps you can grab the source from here and edit it to your liking |
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| 02:25:53 | chrisjj | So if I make my own theme, can I provide 45 sprites to cover all volume levels? |
| 02:25:55 | Bilgus_ph | it was probably around before the better way of doing it was incorporated |
| 02:26:10 | Bilgus_ph | NO don't do that there is a better way now |
| 02:26:16 | chrisjj | Ah, the better way. :-) Where can I find that? |
| 02:28:55 | Bilgus_ph | looking |
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| 02:32:07 | chrisjj | Thanks. |
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| 02:35:39 | Bilgus_ph | I can't find it in the wps manual.. but i will explain it to you |
| 02:36:06 | Bilgus_ph | actually hold on and i will find a theme that uses it |
| 02:37:04 | Bilgus_ph | http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1559&target=sansaclipplus |
| 02:37:23 | Bilgus_ph | Obv this isn't for your player but you can get the idea |
| 02:37:40 | Bilgus_ph | it has a bmp with the bar and the outline of the bar |
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| 02:39:02 | Bilgus_ph | ok i guess 3 states min max and the volume |
| 02:39:33 | Bilgus_ph | let me know once you open it and I can splain it to you |
| 02:45:00 | chrisjj | OK... |
| 02:46:10 | TorC | chrisjj: You can set the volume/battery to show numeric level/percentage. I believe themes can override that, though. YMMV. |
| 02:46:31 | Bilgus_ph | ok so first go to the wps/eden dir and open volume9px.bmp |
| 02:46:36 | TorC | Got to go now. Check the manual if browsing the menu doesn't give it to you. |
| 02:47:50 | Bilgus_ph | note that there are 3 sets of images |
| 02:49:24 | Bilgus_ph | doesn't look like cabbie follows that directive to me TorC when I made my theme I had to explicity check for the numeric directive and implement it |
| 02:49:30 | chrisjj | Bilgus_ph I've opened it in the Creative ZEN simulator http://i.imgur.com/CbehcDf.png and source editor. |
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| 02:51:11 | Bilgus_ph | oh sorry you just need to open the zip file this will be on your pc not on a device. sorry |
| 02:51:17 | chrisjj | And I've opened the .bmp http://i.imgur.com/05TNVVz.png |
| 02:51:28 | chrisjj | OK, I've opened the ZIP. |
| 02:51:42 | Bilgus_ph | ok so there are 3 images in that png |
| 02:51:54 | chrisjj | Yup. |
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| 02:52:38 | Bilgus_ph | now in note pad in WPS/eden.wps |
| 02:52:45 | chrisjj | Yup. |
| 02:53:02 | chrisjj | %?if(%pv, <=, -81)<%xd(Cb)|%?if(%pv, >=, 6)<%xd(Cc)|%pv(0, 0, 16, 9, volume9px.bmp)>> |
| 02:53:16 | Bilgus_ph | at the top %xl(C,volume9px.bmp,0,0,3) |
| 02:53:37 | Bilgus_ph | this loads the image the 3 specifies how many states |
| 02:54:03 | Bilgus_ph | and then the part you pasted does the actual disp |
| 02:54:46 | Bilgus_ph | %pv <-81 says display the min (part b of the image) |
| 02:55:26 | Bilgus_ph | the or %pv>6 display max (part c) |
| 02:56:15 | chrisjj | OK. |
| 02:57:06 | Bilgus_ph | and the last part says else %pv(0,0,16,9, volume9px.bmp) that says display a percentage of the image based on %pv |
| 02:57:31 | Bilgus_ph | do note that the bar part is at the top of the image |
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| 02:58:01 | chrisjj | OK. Where's the source of this info? I don't see it in https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS . |
| 02:58:27 | Bilgus_ph | wellllll there are several different pages covering themes |
| 02:59:12 | Bilgus_ph | https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Bar_Tags |
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| 03:00:37 | chrisjj | Ah, I see it. "%XX(x, y, width, height, filename, [options])" |
| 03:01:12 | Bilgus_ph | there is a lot of info missing from that btw there are options that don't work together it will be a trial and error kinda thing tbh |
| 03:01:25 | chrisjj | Tell you want I don't see though. Eden's Volume indicator on the Creative ZEN simulator! http://i.imgur.com/ctHua64.png |
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| 03:02:29 | Bilgus_ph | oh I don't know if that theme even works on the actual target it was just the first I saw that looked like it used this method |
| 03:02:52 | chrisjj | Ah, right. |
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| 03:03:52 | chrisjj | Do you know any working theme using this new method? |
| 03:05:07 | Bilgus_ph | not off the top of my head |
| 03:05:33 | Bilgus_ph | its not really a new method just probably newer than cabbie |
| 03:06:21 | chrisjj | I'm wondering whether the new method has reached production yet. The daily manual doesn't cover it: http://i.imgur.com/vCUyYRS.png . No filename. |
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| 03:07:02 | Bilgus_ph | rest assure it has |
| 03:07:06 | Bilgus_ph | d |
| 03:07:34 | chrisjj | You've seen it working? |
| 03:07:46 | Bilgus_ph | I played with it on my theme but ended up going with the bog standard |
| 03:08:35 | Bilgus_ph | you can also use bar tags to display a bar |
| 03:08:42 | chrisjj | Did you get it working on a particular port? |
| 03:08:51 | Bilgus_ph | without specifying an image |
| 03:09:09 | Bilgus_ph | I messed with it on the sansa clip+ |
| 03:09:38 | Bilgus_ph | it works you just need to be aware some of those options do not play well together |
| 03:10:26 | chrisjj | OK, thanks. I'll look out for a theme that has it working, and start from there. Thanks. |
| 03:10:32 | Bilgus_ph | %V(111,47,16,9,0) %?if(%pv, <=, -81)<%xd(Cb)|%?if(%pv, >=, 6)<%xd(Cc)|%pv(0, 0, 16, 9, volume9px.bmp)>> |
| 03:11:15 | Bilgus_ph | that %v is defining a viewport %v(x,y,w,H |
| 03:16:45 | chrisjj | Thansk, but those %V lines aren't working for me. I've tried it in Eden on Creative ZEN simulator. The indicator does not appear. http://i.imgur.com/nIZuAmS.png |
| 03:19:44 | Bilgus_ph | http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1421&target=sansaclipplus |
| 03:19:54 | Bilgus_ph | this one uses it as well |
| 03:23:00 | Bilgus_ph | unfortunately I am not near my pc atm I can look into it later on if you'll be around, %v are viewports and they for sure work |
| 03:26:20 | Bilgus_ph | Personally I'd try on the actual device to be sure |
| 03:31:31 | chrisjj | Thanks. Trying... |
| 03:35:19 | chrisjj | Seems defunct here. http://i.imgur.com/d56fAu5.png |
| 03:37:36 | chrisjj | That was on the Creative ZEN simulator. On the device, I see the same fail. |
| 03:37:52 | chrisjj | Perhaps themes are just not transportable between devices? |
| 03:42:08 | Bilgus_ph | not completely sure I think they are |
| 03:42:40 | Bilgus_ph | in that last pic that is the failsafe theme |
| 03:42:55 | Bilgus_ph | so something didn't 3work in that last theme |
| 03:43:35 | Bilgus_ph | ill check it in a bit and paste bin something for you to try |
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| 03:44:02 | chrisjj | Thanks. Gotta go to bed now. |
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| 05:11:39 | MrBusiness2 | TorC, how are you able to format a 64GB microSD card using the FAT32 filesystem? I thought that one of the limitations of FAT32 is that it can only address 32GB of space. Maybe I'm mistaken though? Or maybe I'm just using the wrong partitioning software. |
| 05:20:17 | TorC | MrBusiness2: I just used gparted. Most anything /should/ be able to do it. The exfat is specified by the uSD standard as what new cards should be formatted as, and IIRC some format utilities enforce redoing it that way in code. |
| 05:23:14 | TorC | Per wiki, fat32 can address up to 2TB with a 512 sector size, and up to 16TB if one increases the sector size to 4kB. |
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| 06:03:15 | Bilgus | chrisjj: Here you Go http://www.mediafire.com/file/yrlq9acv7k1ykk0/cabbieedited.zip << unzip into your WPS directory |
| 06:04:09 | Bilgus | turns out I had to weak it a bit to make it work using a single image and then using a bmpstrip for the empty/max states |
| 06:04:17 | Bilgus | *TWEAK* |
| 06:08:28 | TorC | MrBusiness2: I just realized I misspoke. exfat is specified by the SD (not uSD) standard for cards >=64GB (actually, I think technically >32GB, but it works out the same in practice). |
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| 06:15:23 | MrBusiness2 | Huh? |
| 06:15:30 | MrBusiness2 | So wait, what now |
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| 06:16:33 | Bilgus | specified by The SD standard not micro SD standard |
| 06:16:45 | MrBusiness2 | But I mean |
| 06:16:50 | Bilgus | for cards bigger than 32 GB |
| 06:16:55 | MrBusiness2 | he's saying that's the exFat standard |
| 06:17:14 | MrBusiness2 | and exFat will do 128GB easily. |
| 06:17:19 | MrBusiness2 | That's not news. |
| 06:17:55 | MrBusiness2 | So I guess my takeaway should be that I need 32GB SD cards formatted to FAT32 for my Sansa Clip Zip then, yes? |
| 06:19:06 | MrBusiness2 | I hope some future Rockbox version offers PAE and exFAT support for that device so I can just cram all my music onto one card and forget about it. |
| 06:19:49 | Bilgus | http://www.rmprepusb.com/ |
| 06:20:17 | Bilgus | That should allow you to format it as fat 32 and barring that http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/format-fat32-drives-beyond-32gb-limit/ |
| 06:20:29 | MrBusiness2 | Guess I could man up and try to add that myself, but I imagine I'd have to get datasheets for the Sansa Clip Zip's microprocessor, a copy of the exFAT standard, a firm understanding of PAE, and the ability to write device drivers. |
| 06:20:39 | Bilgus | the 32 Gb limit is imposed by windows |
| 06:20:52 | MrBusiness2 | Oh |
| 06:21:14 | MrBusiness2 | Yeah, I feel as though I've put FAT32 partitions onto SD cards larger than that before |
| 06:21:20 | MrBusiness2 | but I may have also bricked them in the process |
| 06:21:35 | MrBusiness2 | and I sort of don't get how they could exceed the limit |
| 06:22:07 | MrBusiness2 | I mean, the paging table, theoretically, only supports 32GB unless they found some way of inserting a janky form of PAE into FAT32 |
| 06:23:01 | Bilgus | and next time you brick a SD card that RMprepusb and this > http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk |
| 06:23:07 | Bilgus | should fix it |
| 06:23:10 | Galois | what? I'm pretty sure FAT32 formatted partitions can be larger than 32GB |
| 06:23:25 | Bilgus | sure in linux |
| 06:23:28 | MrBusiness2 | I've been wrong before |
| 06:23:48 | Galois | does rockbox not support such partitions? |
| 06:23:52 | MrBusiness2 | and yeah, it was in GParted that I made > 32GB FAT32 partitions in the past |
| 06:24:42 | Bilgus | The maximum disk size is approximately 8 terabytes when you take into account the following variables: The maximum possible number of clusters on a FAT32 volume is 268,435,445, and there is a maximum of 32 KB per cluster, along with the space required for the file allocation table (FAT). You cannot decrease the cluster size on a FAT32 volume so that the size of the FAT is larger than 16 megabytes (MB) minus 64 KB. You cannot format |
| 06:25:25 | Bilgus | You cannot format a volume larger than 32 gigabytes (GB) in size using the FAT32 file system during the Windows XP installation process. Windows XP can mount and support FAT32 volumes larger than 32 GB (subject to the other limits), but you cannot create a FAT32 volume larger than 32 GB by using the Format tool during Setup. You cannot create a file larger than (2^32)-1 bytes (this is one byte less than 4 GB) on a FAT32 partition. |
| 06:25:57 | Bilgus | no AFAIK rockbox supports 128 gb cards |
| 06:27:14 | Bilgus | but 64gb is a pain to build a database in I can't begin to imagine double that |
| 06:28:41 | MrBusiness2 | Yeah, my Rockbox had a kernel panic last time I tried a database function |
| 06:28:46 | MrBusiness2 | granted no card was present |
| 06:29:35 | Bilgus | I have on ocassion tried to build the database with no card inserted It just sat there forever no Panic though |
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| 06:31:24 | MrBusiness2 | The panic was quite spectacular |
| 06:31:50 | MrBusiness2 | It flashed some message about memory addresses and opcodes, and I do mean flash, because the screen started flashing. |
| 06:32:12 | MrBusiness2 | Had to hold the center button and power button down for what seemed about 10 seconds to get it to shut the hell down |
| 06:32:31 | MrBusiness2 | Rebooted fine |
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| 06:33:44 | MrBusiness2 | I wonder if any of my music files violate the 4GB limit. I severely doubt it, but there is one possible candidate |
| 06:34:12 | MrBusiness2 | which is my 4 part reading of Naked Lunch as narrated by the late William S. Burroughs himself. |
| 06:34:17 | MrBusiness2 | Great for road trips |
| 06:34:21 | Bilgus | maybe a movie or some really long wav file |
| 06:34:53 | MrBusiness2 | It could be a 320kbps, non VBR mp3 |
| 06:34:58 | MrBusiness2 | or rather, four of them |
| 06:35:10 | MrBusiness2 | each of relatively substantial length |
| 06:35:24 | MrBusiness2 | ah, hell, I can probably look it up |
| 06:35:42 | MrBusiness2 | Anyway, I do have a fresh 64GB Lexar card handy, so I guess I'll try this tool out |
| 06:35:49 | MrBusiness2 | After I fulfill my other obligations for the evening |
| 06:36:00 | MrBusiness2 | But before that, a break |
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| 07:11:16 | TorC | Bilgus: MrBusiness2: IIRC, there are people using 256GB cards on RB - though I can't vouch for the clip series specifically, I'm not aware of any technical limitation that should prevent it. I'm sure there are folk with 256GB+ volumes on other players. |
| 07:11:51 | MrBusiness2 | Interesting |
| 07:12:30 | MrBusiness2 | I have a slightly larger but older SanDisk that might be RockBox compatible. Maybe it can do it. I'll have to install RockBox on it first to find out |
| 07:12:42 | MrBusiness2 | and it uses some horrible proprietary charger |
| 07:12:49 | TorC | It looks like Bilgus took the long explanation for what I apparently said unclearly: Once you buy it, any card is just a bag for bits. How you format it, and why, is your business. |
| 07:13:06 | MrBusiness2 | Interesting. |
| 07:13:07 | TorC | Though I'd forgotten about the windows imposed restriction on formatting. |
| 07:13:34 | MrBusiness2 | I wonder if that program you linked can fix my 256GB USB3 stick that crapped out on me |
| 07:13:47 | TorC | Probably because it's never mattered to me since 64GB+ became reasonably common. |
| 07:14:52 | TorC | Maybe. Can't hurt to try if you've got a lousy paperweight otherwise that isn't worth expensive recovery on. Though I probably wouldn't trust it again anyway. |
| 07:14:54 | MrBusiness2 | Do you even use Windows? |
| 07:14:58 | TorC | No. |
| 07:15:19 | TorC | Which is why it never mattered. I gave up on Windows about the time Vista came out. |
| 07:15:27 | MrBusiness2 | I was a GNU/Linux guy for several years, prior to an incident I don't care to discuss at any length. |
| 07:15:49 | MrBusiness2 | What's your distro? |
| 07:16:20 | MrBusiness2 | I was a Ubuntu guy until the unspeakable thing happened, and I've never settled on a new distro since then. |
| 07:16:30 | TorC | Installed Ubuntu as dual boot, but due to a bug I didn't understand how to work around I reinstalled Windows at the same time and never got it properly working again. Ran gNewSense for a while, these days I'm running Debian. |
| 07:17:14 | TorC | If we continue this, we should probably head over to #rockbox-community |
| 07:17:21 | MrBusiness2 | I tried gNewSense. Couldn't precisely tell what it was aiming for, outside of being a Libre distro |
| 07:17:36 | MrBusiness2 | I'm down |
| 07:17:53 | TorC | That's pretty much it. |
| 07:18:06 | MrBusiness2 | Okay then |
| 07:18:09 | MrBusiness2 | no need |
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| 13:43:13 | chrisjj | Bilgus: re cabbiev2 edited, got it. That works on Creative ZEN simulator and device. The volume indicator scale now uses each pixel. Thanks. |
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| 13:48:41 | MikeKennelly | hey everyone. can someone add me to SonyNWZE460Port |
| 13:51:48 | MikeKennelly | hey everyone. can someone add me to SonyNWZE460Port #rockbox |
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| 13:53:19 | pixelma | do you mean you want to be able to edit the wiki page? |
| 13:53:31 | chrisjj | Anyone else unable to connect to http://forums.rockbox.org ?? |
| 13:54:01 | MikeKennelly | yes |
| 13:54:19 | MikeKennelly | @pixelma* |
| 13:54:33 | pamaury | MikeKennelly: what do you want to edit on this page ? |
| 13:55:01 | MikeKennelly | I just want the image, i can't download the port |
| 13:55:38 | pamaury | the port is not finished |
| 13:56:19 | MikeKennelly | can you point me to an alternative? |
| 13:56:49 | pamaury | an alternative to what? |
| 13:58:21 | MikeKennelly | is there any other available firmware that will work with the NWZ-E465 |
| 13:58:25 | MikeKennelly | data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxITEhUTExMWFRUWFxUVFRUYGBcVFRYVFhUWFhUVFRUYHSggGBolGxUVITEhJSkrLi4uFx8zODMsNygtLisBCgoKDg0OGhAQGi0lHR0tLS0tLS0rLS0rLS0tLS0tKysrLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0rLS0tLS0rKy0rLTctLTctK//AABEIAMIBAwMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAcAAABBQEBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIDBAUGBwj/xABDEAABAwIEAwUFBQUHAwUAAAABAAIDBBEFEiExQVFhBhMicZEUMoGx0SNCocHwBxVSYpJDU1SCk+HxM3LCFiR0g7P/xAAZAQADAQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIDBAX/xAAkEQACA |
| 13:58:28 | MikeKennelly | my bad |
| 13:58:55 | pamaury | not yet, currently the port is incomplete, it is tricky to install and sound is not working, be patient |
| 13:59:25 | MikeKennelly | ok cool http://imgur.com/a/V9qYm |
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| 14:02:10 | chrisjj | Anyone lese finding font 17-ProFont metrics have gone loopy? http://i.imgur.com/bo5jW0Z.png |
| 14:02:26 | pamaury | chrisjj: forums have problems, be patient, they should be back by themselves |
| 14:19:31 | Bilgus | chrisjj wanna do me a favor and test out my selective backlight patch? forums are down it is under feature ideas but here is firmware with the patch https://www.mediafire.com/?tl0828dq7lq1c |
| 14:20:09 | wodz | pamaury: If you want me something to test on nzw 47x drop me a note |
| 14:21:45 | pamaury | wodz: sure, yesterday I tried the port on the E580 and ran into some unexpected problem, I realized that Sony made changes to its lcd ioctl() and also changed the key mapping. So I'm systematically going through kernel headers to find all possible cases. |
| 14:22:15 | pamaury | I'm also almost done with mknzwboot that should hopefully simply the creation of a bootloader |
| 14:22:19 | wodz | ough, sound tedious |
| 14:22:20 | pamaury | *simplify |
| 14:22:28 | pamaury | wodz: I'm writing scripts ;) |
| 14:27:09 | pamaury | I also learned the hard way that Sony's fb interface returns bullshit data that is not to be trusted |
| 14:27:32 | chrisjj | Bilgus: sure. Is there a brief? |
| 14:28:05 | Bilgus | on the forums here is the gerrit http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/1417/ |
| 14:31:01 | chrisjj | Got it. |
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| 14:31:23 | Bilgus | just make a copy of your current .rockbox folder and then unzip into your root the .rockbox/lang/english.lang file and .rockbox/rockbox/creative |
| 14:32:00 | Bilgus | as in the original the copy save as a backup |
| 14:32:50 | Bilgus | or if you are way behind on your current version you can unzip the whole thing |
| 14:36:14 | chrisjj | I renamed .rockbox and unzipped creativezenmozaic-SEL_BL-SL_-rockbox_Vbf177ae-161210.zip to the root. |
| 14:37:40 | chrisjj | "No Backlight on Selected Actions" means No restoration of timed-out backlight upon selected actions" ?? |
| 14:39:53 | Bilgus | yep |
| 14:39:53 | chrisjj | i.e. takes effect after the backlight has been turned off by the idle timer set under Settings, Backlight? |
| 14:40:46 | chrisjj | OK, then it is not working for me. |
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| 14:41:33 | Bilgus | yes if it is on and you press keys it resets timeout, don't press keys it turns off and won't turn back on till you press a non filtered key Settings >display > lcd settings > no backlight on selected actions |
| 14:42:25 | chrisjj | On Settings, NBoSA, I engage Volume. On Now Playing, I wait for backlight to go out. The I press Up (VOLUME UP). Unexpectedly, backlight comes on. |
| 14:42:29 | chrisjj | Same with Skip. |
| 14:42:40 | chrisjj | This on real device Creative ZEN 2Gb. |
| 14:42:47 | Bilgus | have to set it up first and if you don't have a hold button which I think you do selective softlock is in Settings > system > no softlock on selected actions |
| 14:43:15 | chrisjj | I'm testing just the backlight effect first. I have made no setting change for softlock. |
| 14:43:18 | Bilgus | did you set it to in in the previous screen? |
| 14:43:25 | chrisjj | ?? |
| 14:43:44 | wodz | pamaury: what you mean? |
| 14:44:23 | Bilgus | in NBoSA the first screen has on/off then settings, when you do settings it asks you if you want to save them |
| 14:44:47 | Bilgus | click 'OFF' and it will change to 'ON' |
| 14:45:51 | pamaury | wodz: the framebuffer interface is supposed to returned info about how the framebuffer is setup, like the line length, width, height, etc. But clearly some data in there is wrong. |
| 14:46:06 | chrisjj | Bilgus: Ah, got it. Not obvious! |
| 14:47:02 | Bilgus | maybe I should make it so it sets it to on automatically or move enable to within the settings? |
| 14:48:22 | chrisjj | Better to follow the existing Rockbox style, I think. One command On, a separate command for Off. |
| 14:48:49 | wodz | pamaury: Ah, that what I thought. Probably copy-paste problem on sony side |
| 14:51:14 | Bilgus | headed to work post on forums or in here anything you like/dislike/bugs thanks |
| 14:51:44 | chrisjj | As per e.g. Backlight on Hold. But even better would be to add an indicator of current state. Perhaps an asterisk e.g. 'On *' |
| 14:52:37 | chrisjj | Bilgus: OK, will do... when forums come back up :) |
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| 15:35:39 | comradekingu | I have had my clip+ connected charging for about a day. Unplugged from computer now. |
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| 15:36:39 | comradekingu | Says: *PANIC* pc: 30046164 sp:300B8D |
| 15:49:35 | chrisjj | Forums still down after two hours, so perhaps the server needs a kick? PS I'm patient :) |
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| 16:02:00 | pamaury_ | chrisjj: be more patient ;) |
| 16:02:57 | chrisjj | OK, upping the patience setting now... :) |
| 16:04:33 | chrisjj | pamaury: Re the ZEN BSoD, 50 cycles of USB in/out has shown no BSoD. Though has shown some other fails. |
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| 16:05:29 | pamaury_ | chrisjj: which other fail? |
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| 16:07:08 | chrisjj | 1) On unplug, failure to recognise unplug. 2) On unplug, text garbaged at pixel level in the pop-up and on all subsequent screens, until reboot. |
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| 16:08:33 | chrisjj | Re 2) I'd take a screenshot... if someone could tell me if there was a way of taking a screenshot after USB unplug :) |
| 16:08:58 | pamaury_ | 1) is a known problem, I never figured out why it happens (although I never tried really since it's not a major issue) |
| 16:09:29 | pamaury_ | 2) is weird though, sounds like a theme engine bug |
| 16:09:48 | pamaury_ | you could take a screenshot on plug after the unplug? |
| 16:09:57 | chrisjj | 1) In Flyspray? |
| 16:10:11 | pamaury_ | No, I just know it exists |
| 16:10:15 | chrisjj | OK. |
| 16:10:21 | pamaury_ | I think the hardware fails to fire the interrupt on unplug sometimes |
| 16:10:29 | pamaury_ | probably needs another workaround |
| 16:10:30 | chrisjj | 2) Does theme engine affect the USB screen?? |
| 16:11:25 | pamaury_ | 2) I would need to check (or rather ask someone who knows about it) but theme engine affects pretty much everything I think |
| 16:13:00 | chrisjj | Aw. Well, I can say something else probably went wrong first. Because the strip of garbage was sized placed and coloured as if it was a corrupt pop-up of about 30 chars, rather than the normal pop-up "Loading..." |
| 16:14:24 | pamaury_ | chrisjj: to which pop-up after you referring to? There is no pop-up on unplug except if you put a new version of the firmware |
| 16:15:11 | chrisjj | I refer to the pop-up I see on every unplug (no firmware update). |
| 16:15:37 | chrisjj | By pop-up I mean the fleeting overlayed bordered text message. |
| 16:16:45 | pamaury_ | ah you are right, I forgot there was one because it usually disappears really quickly |
| 16:17:39 | pamaury_ | so you are saying that instead of 'Loading' you see garbage, but still displayed as a pop-up? |
| 16:19:32 | chrisjj | It may have been instead or in addition to Loading... |
| 16:19:49 | chrisjj | It was definitely displayed as a pop-up. |
| 16:21:14 | chrisjj | I will file a report, after finishing this BSoD testing. |
| 16:22:03 | pamaury_ | chrisjj: I admit I tend not to read flyspray anymore, but feel free to report it there |
| 16:22:15 | chrisjj | And if it recurs, I'll try clearing the font cache (if I can find out how) since my hunch is that it got trashed. Nothing but font on screen was trashed. |
| 16:22:31 | chrisjj | Where's the better place you read? |
| 16:24:06 | pamaury_ | well there is a hack for fonts: on usb, the code cannot access fonts (since they are on the storage), so the font code keeps a local cache of most used glyph. If some glyph are not in ram when called, I don't know what happens. It might also be that there is a glyph cache corruption either in ram or on file |
| 16:24:24 | pamaury_ | chrisjj: just tell me and hope I won't forget :-p I know this is not really optimal |
| 16:25:04 | pamaury_ | I should use the bug tracker |
| 16:25:05 | chrisjj | OK. Perhpas best is for me to file in Flyspray AND tell you :-) |
| 16:25:11 | pamaury_ | yes :) |
| 16:27:19 | chrisjj | Your glyph theory doesn't sound llikely to me. Just as L o a d i n g was clearly already in cache, so I'd expect the longer message's glyphs to be... unless that mystery message was in Japanese! :) |
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| 16:41:07 | chrisjj | http://forums.rockbox.org/ now up. |
| 16:43:33 | chrisjj | pamaury: re your screendump suggestion, screendump on Creative ZEN is semi-bust. Immediately after the dump, the device hangs in WSoD. |
| 16:45:23 | pamaury | sounds like a bug with screendump, maybe no one fixed it to explain how handle 24-bpp |
| 16:45:44 | pamaury | I'll look into it |
| 16:54:31 | chrisjj | I'll file a report. |
| 16:55:21 | chrisjj | On the BSoD, your " I traced it back to a hardware bug, that I can reproduce fairly well (it's still random but at least I know what happens).", can you tell me how to reproduce it from the user end? |
| 16:57:09 | pamaury_ | There is no easy way to reproduce it as a user, I used some dev tools |
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| 17:00:25 | pamaury_ | it's basically the same principle as rebooting all the time except that you replace the "boot rockbox" by "perform those register read/write and see if you triggered the hardware bug". I managed to narrow down the sequence to a few read/writes |
| 17:01:33 | pamaury_ | I believe the bug is fundamentally "random" though so there no easy way to trigger it with a 100% chance |
| 17:03:25 | chrisjj | OK. |
| 17:04:15 | chrisjj | Then it seems like my soak test of a few thousand boots is the best way for the boot case. |
| 17:04:37 | chrisjj | And manual plug/unplug is the best way for the USB test. |
| 17:16:58 | chrisjj | Anyone, does Seek left and Seek right work on your player? They don't on my Creative ZEN. :( |
| 17:25:35 | pamaury | probably a key mapping thing |
| 17:30:33 | chrisjj | So, do they work for other devices? |
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| 17:32:43 | pamaury | I think, I mean I almost never use them but we would know if they were broken. Most likely I forgot to map seek/rewing on the zen |
| 17:33:08 | Bilgus_ph | CHRISJJ: did seek not work before you installed nBosA ALSO does it work in the sim Zen? |
| 17:34:19 | chrisjj | pamaury: thanks. I'll check the .c. |
| 17:34:33 | pamaury_ | I least I know it works on the ZEN X-Fi |
| 17:34:40 | chrisjj | Bilgus_ph: Will check. |
| 17:35:27 | chrisjj | BTW, I see no sim for your nBosA. |
| 17:36:42 | pamaury_ | chrisjj: just had a quick look at keymap-zen.c and there is this line: |
| 17:36:42 | pamaury_ | { ACTION_WPS_SEEKFWD, BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_NONE }, |
| 17:36:42 | pamaury_ | but it looks somewhat suspicious, I think it should be |
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| 17:36:42 | pamaury_ | { ACTION_WPS_SEEKFWD, BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_RIGHT }, |
| 17:38:27 | Bilgus_ph | PAMAURY the button lookup should allow button_none there it looks for the prebutton|button_none iirc |
| 17:39:37 | pamaury_ | I don't understand what you just said |
| 17:40:20 | Bilgus_ph | CHRISJJ there is no sim with nBosa but if seek works on the sim then it points to nbosa or your device |
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| 18:01:42 | Bilgus_ph | PAMAURY in action.c do_button_lookup or something along those lines it has button,prebutton which is what you just posted.. i'm pretty sure it allows you to have button_none as the prebutton and will allow any prebutton in that case |
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| 18:37:41 | pamaury | Bilgus: the question is not whether BUTTON_NONE is allowed. I'm just saying it's wrong in this case |
| 18:40:49 | pamaury | chrisjj: did you try the keymap fix I suggested? |
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| 18:43:57 | chrisjj | pamaury: "{ ACTION_WPS_SEEKFWD, BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_RIGHT },"? |
| 18:44:11 | chrisjj | No. I don't have a RB build setup. |
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| 19:05:56 | Link8 | i have a question |
| 19:06:12 | Link8 | i use an aux cable to listen to music with my ipod |
| 19:06:27 | Link8 | the left speaker has no sound all of a sudden |
| 19:06:34 | Link8 | i tried changing the aux cables |
| 19:06:38 | Link8 | still the same effect |
| 19:06:53 | Link8 | with earplugs in the ipod both earplugs work so it isnt the ipod |
| 19:07:01 | Link8 | if i play a cd in the car both speakers work |
| 19:07:10 | Link8 | just not thorugh the aux cable anymore now |
| 19:07:12 | Link8 | what can it be? |
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| 19:08:13 | pamaury | Link8: did you check wit the OF ? could be bad jack |
| 19:08:24 | Link8 | of? |
| 19:08:58 | Link8 | maybe the jack of the car stereo is messed up or something |
| 19:09:03 | Link8 | whats OF |
| 19:11:54 | pamaury | original firmware, apple firmware |
| 19:12:34 | pamaury | but I suspect bad jack or bad connection in your car stereo |
| 19:12:45 | Link8 | from the car stero right |
| 19:12:49 | Link8 | its not the fw |
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| 21:09:46 | pamaury_ | bluebrother: do I need to do something special to have c++ files in mk*boot ? |
| 21:09:47 | lahoal | hi there |
| 21:10:10 | pamaury_ | it fails with a weird error |
| 21:11:51 | lahoal | hey guys just a quick question, related to the ipod 7th gen (MC293) and its database |
| 21:12:14 | pamaury_ | lahoal: ask and someone will answer if he knows the answer |
| 21:12:15 | lahoal | I know on the stock fw the database stays on the ram which is 64mb |
| 21:12:33 | lahoal | and it kinda limits the amount of tracks you can have in it |
| 21:12:51 | lahoal | (thinking about replacing the hdd to a raid of microsds) |
| 21:12:59 | lahoal | so how does that work on rockbox :O |
| 21:14:12 | lahoal | pamaury_: tried to lurk on manuals and stuff but couldn't get an answer, maybe I'm just searching wrong |
| 21:14:15 | pamaury_ | the database on rockbox has virtually no limit (it's on the disk) as far as I know |
| 21:14:38 | pamaury_ | [Saint]: do you concur? |
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| 21:15:12 | lahoal | I saw a bug reported related to that, the device was refreshing it way to often causing the stock hdd to over-work. |
| 21:15:31 | lahoal | if I have a GIANT database, say, dunno 200.000 tracks |
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| 21:15:49 | lahoal | which would be kinda 256mb size |
| 21:16:04 | lahoal | wouldn't the fw be working kinda all the time, reading it over and over? |
| 21:16:33 | lahoal | I just bought the replacement parts on ebay and I'm sure gonna try it anyway, but I wanted to have a head start on how it would work :P |
| 21:16:34 | pamaury | I think we have a recent problem that the database is now entirely on disk (the ram optimization was disabled), making it seek the disk much more than before |
| 21:17:18 | lahoal | on regular (big) databases you can use Indexes to lighten up certain queries, |
| 21:17:20 | pamaury | but otherwise the database is refreshed in the background. Of course scanning tat many tracks will take some time |
| 21:17:38 | lahoal | yeah totally |
| 21:18:36 | pamaury | I guess it doesn't hurt to try it anyway |
| 21:18:42 | lahoal | sure ;p |
| 21:27:59 | lahoal | hey and how stable is it actually? |
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| 21:29:19 | pamaury | I don't know, I don't have the ipod 7th |
| 21:29:28 | pamaury | you'll have to wait until someone answers that |
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| 21:34:40 | lahoal | sure :) |
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| 21:42:25 | lahoal | pamaury: on the site there's logs of this chat through forever |
| 21:42:35 | lahoal | I'm searching on there if anyone has talked about databases |
| 21:42:40 | lahoal | there's interesting info |
| 21:43:19 | gevaerts | The first thing you'll learn is that virtually no dev cares about the database :) |
| 21:43:39 | pamaury | yeah I don't think any of us dev really use the database :) |
| 21:43:52 | pamaury | Maybe because we know how it works, kinda |
| 21:45:13 | lahoal | hah |
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| 21:57:11 | pamaury | damn, libtools.make only knows about C and not C++, it's going to be tricky to change that |
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| 22:01:58 | lahoal | alright guys, heading off |
| 22:02:05 | lahoal | bye ~ |
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| 22:29:35 | Bilgus | pamaury: what I was getting at earlier was in do_button_check −−> if (items[i].button_code == button) { if ((items[i].pre_button_code == BUTTON_NONE) || (items[i].pre_button_code == last_button)) <−− meaning if pre button is button_none It allows any pre button as long as button is right |
| 22:29:55 | pamaury | Bilgus: and that's why it's wrong |
| 22:30:10 | pamaury | you want to trigger the action *only* when prebutton is BUTTON_RIGHT |
| 22:30:30 | pamaury | otherwise the seek action is trigger on every repeat (since BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_REPEAT matches BUTTON_NONE) |
| 22:30:47 | pamaury | so basically you are constantly re-asking to seek, which I am not sure the code was designed to handle |
| 22:31:16 | Bilgus | oh ok I see what you are getting at |
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| 22:31:36 | pamaury | the code works the other way around: on BUTTON_RIGHT you do nothing, then on the next tick, either you get RIGHT|REL -> skip, or RIGHT|REPEAT -> seek, and then if you seek, on REL you stop seek |
| 22:32:17 | Bilgus | although I think a bunch of other keymaps are the same |
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| 22:33:23 | Bilgus | I'm pretty sure you will break seek if you do that tbh |
| 22:34:03 | Bilgus | stop seek looks for a button|rel, button|rep and |
| 22:34:29 | Bilgus | I think seek works by setting each run through |
| 22:34:29 | pamaury | stop seek requires repeat before |
| 22:35:22 | Bilgus | Button, Prebutton like the key map |
| 22:35:42 | Bilgus | idk ill test and brb |
| 22:35:55 | pamaury | Anyway, I'm just saying the answer is not obvious, it depends on how seeking is implemented, something which I don't want to know :-p |
| 22:36:16 | pamaury | most probably looking at the other keymaps is the simplest solution |
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| 22:37:58 | pamaury | bluebrother: I'm puzzled between adding c++ support to libtooks.make (seems annoying) and simply finding an implementation of des in C |
| 22:38:58 | Bilgus | I just checked 20+ and all had Button_none as PREBUTTON |
| 22:39:29 | Bilgus | I canged it to have button_right as the pre in fuze+ and it breaks seek |
| 22:39:42 | Bilgus | seeks for a moment then immediately stops seek |
| 22:39:49 | Bilgus | changed* |
| 22:39:51 | pamaury | then seek must rely on receiving events every tick |
| 22:40:07 | pamaury | which is weird because then stopseek looks useless |
| 22:40:19 | Bilgus | agreed |
| 22:40:55 | Bilgus | but perhaps in a different context it is needed |
| 22:41:16 | pamaury | maybe |
| 22:42:21 | Bilgus | FMS doesn't seem to care that the pre was changed, wonder if chrisjj has a wonky fwd button |
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| 22:43:26 | pamaury | yeah, maybe it was a problem with the button or the button driver |
| 22:43:36 | pamaury | but I guess he would have noticed if left/right didn't work |
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| 23:00:14 | chrisjj | "wonder if chrisjj has a wonky fwd button" Sorry, my report was inaccurate/unclear |
| 23:05:13 | Bilgus | you said seek left doesn't work correct? |
| 23:05:21 | Bilgus | sorry seek right |
| 23:07:25 | chrisjj | Yes, I did and that is correct. |
| 23:08:54 | Bilgus | ok so has that always been the case on your player or only since you installed the selective backlight firmware? |
| 23:08:55 | chrisjj | For truth: On DEVICE, left works generally, but has no effect for Seek Left. Right works generally inc. for Seek Right. |
| 23:09:40 | chrisjj | That's for unit P with NBoSA. |
| 23:10:13 | Bilgus | oh ok so it won't rewind then ok so put your back up back on device and does it still not rewind |
| 23:10:59 | chrisjj | On DEVICE unit T without NBoSA, left works inc. for Seek Left |
| 23:11:30 | chrisjj | And FWIW, on SIMULATOR, Left works inc. for Seek Left. |
| 23:11:36 | Bilgus | ok so before you put on nBoSA dis seek left work on unit P? |
| 23:11:45 | Bilgus | dis/DID* |
| 23:11:51 | chrisjj | Now ininstalling NBoSA for test... |
| 23:12:48 | Bilgus | tbh sel backlight doesn't intercept any key presses it only reads them selective softlock is the one that would block a keypress |
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| 23:14:30 | chrisjj | No change. I.e. On device unit P now without NBoSA , left works generally, but has no effect for Seek Left. Very odd. I will diff the two installations. |
| 23:15:54 | chrisjj | Just spotted: "[22:05] <Bilgus> you said seek left doesn't work correct? [22:05] <Bilgus> sorry seek right [22:07] <chrisjj> Yes, I did and that is correct." FTR I'm saying what doesn't work is Seek Left. Seek Right works. |
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| 23:17:39 | Bilgus | I'm going to say it is probably an issue with the device |
| 23:19:04 | Bilgus | save your backup .rockbox folder and put a fresh install on ie delete the rockbox folder and put on the latest DEV install |
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| 23:29:35 | chrisjj | Mystery solved. It's an issue with the device. :) A wonky button which amazingly registers a down event but not a sustained down state, unless I press it off-centre. |
| 23:29:42 | chrisjj | Sorry for the false alarm. |
| 23:32:05 | chrisjj | pamaury: I found a longer pop-up message on USB unplug, which could have been the one I saw corrupted: "Error accessing playlist control file" |
| 23:32:53 | pamaury | this one is fairly common, but it should not corrupt anything |
| 23:41:20 | chrisjj | Sure, but it addresses your "There is no pop-up on unplug except if you put a new version of the firmware". This could be the pop-up I saw, corrupted. What I see on a new version of the firmware is not what I'd call a pop-up. It is a new screenful (on ZEN). What do you mean exactly by "pop-up"? |
| 23:42:30 | pamaury | the playlist access error message is a pop-up: it's displayed in a gray box at the center of the screen |
| 23:46:53 | chrisjj | OK, then I think we agree your "There is no pop-up [additional to Loading...] on unplug except if you put a new version of the firmware" is incorrect. No problem. And we don't know anything more about that corruption. In 20 more test cycles, I found no repeat. |
| 23:52:13 | pamaury | This pop-up is supposed to be really rare |
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| 23:52:49 | chrisjj | "Error accessing playlist control file" isn't rare here on ZEN. |
| 23:52:51 | pamaury | and unrelated to corruption, I can see it once in a while on all players, it's a race condition no-one bothered to fix |
| 23:54:40 | pamaury | and after this error, you said every piece of text is corrupted until reboot? |
| 23:56:45 | __builtin | how do I make all clients in the build cluster auto-update? |
| 23:57:25 | chrisjj | pamaury: yes. Though I didn't try changing theme or font. |
| 23:58:06 | pamaury | chrisjj: which theme are you using? |
| 23:58:16 | pamaury | __builtin: they update the script automatically I think, assuming you pushed it to the repo |
| 23:58:34 | chrisjj | BTW, back on v131119 I got "Error accessing playlist control file" −− fixed by upgrading to 131121. |
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