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01:55:13 | chrisjj | In Files, how do I send just the selected file to the emptied current playlist? Select sends all the files in the folder. |
01:56:44 | __builtin | long click -> Current Playlist |
01:56:51 | __builtin | I think |
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02:06:49 | chrisjj | That offers the Current Playlist menu http://i.imgur.com/5xWtC91.png containing Insert, Queue etc. but not anything that plays just the selected file AFAICS. |
02:13:14 | chrisjj | Anyone with a non-Creative non-Apple player care to try a test track for me? |
02:16:32 | chrisjj | Simply play this file https://www.dropbox.com/s/seae4qmizph6lc7/chrisjj%20test.wav?dl=0 and record what happens, inc. any crash info. |
02:18:01 | chrisjj | Oops, please instead use the download version of that link https://www.dropbox.com/s/seae4qmizph6lc7/chrisjj%20test.wav?dl=1 . |
02:25:38 | Bilgus | ok I put it on my clip+ it loaded |
02:26:06 | Bilgus | Unknown artist then promptly went to the next track |
02:26:25 | Bilgus | so I put it on repeat just stiing here at 0 |
02:27:30 | Bilgus | oh sorry was paused it just went on to next song and won't let me go back to it |
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02:33:32 | TorC | Bilgus: I can confirm the issue with the selBL settings not taking (but saving) when exiting the settings tree using the home button. |
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02:38:11 | TorC | Specifically, it will save the settings, but fail to take when exiting from the selBL first page (after using left to save the settings themselves) using the home button. |
02:38:16 | TorC | This on my Zip. |
02:38:44 | TorC | If I use left once more to get out of the selBL first settings page, then they take. |
02:39:18 | chrisjj | Bilgus: Thanks. Is that 3.13? |
02:40:45 | TorC | A second round of going into the menu and verifying the settings are saved will still fail to take if the home button is again used from the selBL main menu. Using left then to get back to the LCD settings before using the home button does get the settings to take. |
02:41:06 | TorC | Even though nothing actually changed the second round. |
02:41:52 | TorC | Can you move the update settings from when exiting selBL settings to exiting action select? |
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03:04:00 | [Saint] | Why would anyone in their right mind be using 3.13? |
03:04:06 | [Saint] | hint: don't |
03:09:21 | chrisjj | Because its the latest stable version, says rockbox.org. |
03:10:57 | * | user890104 wonders if rockbox 4.0 is coming soon |
03:14:19 | * | chrisjj wonders if the fact the last release was over 3 years back suggests 4.0 will be around 2067. |
03:19:16 | * | user890104 hopes not |
03:21:18 | user890104 | seriously, what's holding back the next release? feature freezes have been done successfully in the past, calls for testers have been sent, developers know what's a bugfix and what's not |
03:22:35 | user890104 | if there aren't testers for particular target, it could be marked as "untested" or demoted to unstable for example |
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03:28:44 | Bilgus_ph | Chrisjj not 3.13 THE LATEST dev why look for bugs in a depreciated source??? |
03:30:06 | Bilgus_ph | TORC i could probably have it apply on selection as well |
03:30:53 | Bilgus_ph | Either that or have it flash canceled if you use the home button |
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03:33:12 | Saratoga | https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseChecklist |
03:33:27 | Saratoga | I'm OK with a release whenever |
03:34:22 | chrisjj | Bilgus_ph: Thanks. BTW, 3.13 is not deprecated. Its the current version for users. |
03:34:55 | Saratoga | It's depreciated in that we don't work on it |
03:36:03 | Saratoga | Although figuring out that you shouldn't be running it is harder than it should be |
03:37:22 | chrisjj | No idea why you think I shouldn't be running it. It is the official current release offered to users. |
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03:41:00 | Bilgus_ph | OK well congrats I cannot figure out if you are obtuse or just intentionally being an ass. |
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03:44:36 | Saratoga | Obtuse obviously |
03:46:52 | chrisjj | I got a report from a user to whom I recommend RB that it crashed for him. No surprise he was using the current official release 3.13. |
03:47:56 | chrisjj | Soory you seem to think anyone running the latest official release is intentionally being an ass. |
03:48:11 | chrisjj | I've reproduced the crash on 3.13 and the latest archived dev build. Also on two simulators. |
03:48:55 | chrisjj | Reported at https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/13094, with your contribution. Thanks. |
03:53:34 | [Saint] | chrisjj: 'stable' only means exactly what it says it does on the main page. |
03:53:43 | [Saint] | It does not literally mean stable. |
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03:54:02 | [Saint] | In terms of actual stability, git head/development version has the release licked. |
03:55:05 | [Saint] | Unless there's some setting or feature that you depend on that has been deprecated or regressed in the development build you have absolutely no business running the release builds. |
03:56:02 | [Saint] | user890104: manpower |
03:57:30 | [Saint] | chrisjj: what metric are you using to derive that we don't offer the development build up to users? |
03:57:44 | chrisjj | "'stable' only means exactly what it says it does on the main page." What I see is "Rockbox runs well on these players, has a complete manual and is supported by the installer:" |
03:58:04 | [Saint] | chrisjj: exactly. and none of that says "is stable" does it? |
03:58:23 | chrisjj | Is any dev build 'stable' by that definition?? |
03:59:09 | [Saint] | More so in so far as they have almost four years worth of bug fixes and enhancements you're chosing not to run. |
03:59:54 | chrisjj | Can't imagine what makes you think I'm not running a dev build. I run quite a few different builds. |
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04:00:17 | [Saint] | The fact that there may or may not be reproducible bugs in 3.13 is entirely non-interesting. If you can reproduce them in a development build however... |
04:01:23 | [Saint] | OK then. If we're gonna go that way...I can't imagine what would make you think anyone cared in the slightest that there are issues on a build that's the better part of four years behing git head? |
04:01:40 | chrisjj | If you really think people "have absolutely no business running the release builds" then you ought to take it up with source of the official message to users rather than complaint to users such as myself. |
04:02:19 | Bilgus | nope its not anyone running 3.13 just you since you have been told several times |
04:03:08 | [Saint] | There's no complaint being made. Just a clear statement. If you have issues, update. |
04:03:08 | [Saint] | We figure that by this point anyone interested in updating will have, anyone who needed to do so because it fixed an issue, will have...and those running the release not caring about it because they have absolutely no issues...won't. |
04:03:09 | Bilgus | '<[Saint]> The fact that there may or may not be reproducible bugs in 3.13 is entirely non-interesting. If you can reproduce them in a development build however...' |
04:03:15 | Bilgus | THIS^ |
04:04:38 | chrisjj | And before you submit that complaint, perhaps consider that the official line on Dev Builds is "Since these builds are generated from actively developed source, at times they may be buggy or even unusable. For a stable build, download the latest stable release." |
04:05:10 | [Saint] | In a perfect would I would like to see the concept of releases just dropped entirely and just have the last 10 builds in a rotating list. |
04:05:29 | chrisjj | "If you can reproduce them in a development build however...'" Seems you didn't read the report. https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/13094 |
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04:05:35 | [Saint] | chrisjj: you might also want to consider the time that message was written. |
04:06:13 | chrisjj | "If you have issues, update." I updated. This issue remains. |
04:06:40 | [Saint] | Sweet. Now either fix it yourself or wait sometime between now and never for someone else to, patiently. |
04:08:00 | chrisjj | "In a perfect would I would like to see the concept of releases just dropped entirely" So why do you suppose RB still operates under a latest stable release policy? |
04:09:17 | chrisjj | "you might also want to consider the time that message was written." Page was last modified Oct 24 2016. |
04:15:16 | user890104 | [Saint]: IIRC Alex Parker (AlexP) schedules and announces releases, any idea if he still visits this channel? |
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05:07:01 | chrisjj | __builtin "long click -> Current Playlist [00:56]" Manual says http://i.imgur.com/jmTEJ7g.png but it doesn't work. It fails to clear the current tracks. |
05:07:58 | chrisjj | Seems like a bug to me. Else someone failed to update the manaul upon changing behaviour for some reason. |
05:09:06 | chrisjj | I'll ask in forums... oh no I won't. Forums down again. |
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07:17:57 | Bilgus | hey johnb2: I"ll have a build for you to try tomorrow that will fix the apply settings you notice any other issues? |
07:22:38 | johnb2 | No, no other problems. Maybe after doing stuff in Settings, I left that menu by using the Play key which on Fuze is the equivalent to the Home in clip+ : with two clicks you can return to WPS. I will check it in more detail today. |
07:23:44 | johnb2 | Like TorC stated (just now read the logs). |
07:26:49 | Bilgus | Once it finishes uploading new firmware will be in the same folder |
07:28:23 | Bilgus | https://www.mediafire.com/?tl0828dq7lq1c like 20 mins or so |
07:29:38 | johnb2 | Ok, will then first test it with clip+ on the commute, Fuze in 12h or so. |
07:29:42 | johnb2 | cu |
07:29:57 | Bilgus | this should fix that issue, notify you of button lock quicker, and have slightly less overhead while the bl is on |
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08:35:11 | fling | Hello. |
08:35:45 | fling | I just tried to update firmware on iriver T30 and the app said everything is uploaded and I should turn it off. |
08:36:26 | fling | Now every time I turn on the player I see this on the screen for few seconds and then it turns off: Firmware Upgrade DO NOT TOUCH DURING UPGRADE |
08:36:36 | fling | I tried to replace the battery. |
08:40:10 | TorC | If it's really the battery, you might have luck using a USB power supply to keep it going. If it's something else, you'll need someone else to help you. |
08:40:16 | TorC | fling: ^ |
08:41:18 | TorC | Bilgus: Just tried the latest version. The settings menu behaviour now acts in a way that seems natural to me, with no unexpected failure to take when it seems like it should. |
08:41:28 | fling | It is not charging from usb because alcaline battery type selected in the settings |
08:41:49 | fling | But I used the new battery and it still stuck! |
08:42:49 | TorC | fling: No need for it to charge for the USB power to help. That's just plugging it into the wall in case the batteries were failing to provide enough power. Sounds like you may have an issue you need someone who knows the player to help with, though. |
08:43:34 | fling | Ok I will leave it usb plugged for another hour |
08:45:23 | TorC | Bilgus: If you want to have a cancel actions change, you could use the power button. That would make sense according to typical usage - at least if you ask me. I don't claim to be an authoritative reference, though. |
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12:05:48 | ChristW | I need a little hand holding here... I put "#define LOGF_ENABLE" into apps/buffering.c (because rockbox crashes within that file). I would like to have the system write the file to disk (because I can't view from a crashed app...), but I can;t find where to #define the ROCKBOX_HAS_LOGF to enable that from the debug menu. I looked in thje wiki but can't find pointers there. |
12:07:45 | gevaerts | ChristW: when running configure, pick A for advanced, then L for logf, then enter again to finish picking the advanced options |
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12:10:20 | ChristW | gevaerts: (buiding...) |
12:15:49 | ChristW | gevaerts: Ok, I did find the entries to show and dump the log file in the debug menu now! |
12:16:33 | ChristW | Does it dump only once, or does it keep dumping when an entry is written to memory using the Logf() functions? |
12:19:39 | gevaerts | It dumps once |
12:19:47 | gevaerts | (I think. It's been a while) |
12:19:53 | ChristW | Hmmmm.... |
12:19:59 | ChristW | Not useful for me. |
12:20:12 | ChristW | (loking at the code, I think so too...) |
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12:25:01 | ChristW | Any way to get it via the USB port, while logging? |
12:25:09 | gevaerts | There's code somewhere that dumps continuously. Not sure if that's been integrated |
12:25:28 | gevaerts | And yes, there's code for USB dump somewhere as well, with the same uncertainty |
12:25:39 | ChristW | :-) WIP... |
12:28:43 | gevaerts | Ah, https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PortalPlayerUsb |
12:28:51 | gevaerts | Which player are you looking at? |
12:29:41 | gevaerts | And http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/288/ |
12:30:00 | ChristW | iPod classic |
12:30:45 | ChristW | That patch hasn't made it, yet, I think? |
12:30:58 | gevaerts | It hasn't |
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12:31:37 | ChristW | iPod classic isn't listed in the PP-chipset page, but it's worth a try... |
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12:33:59 | gevaerts | That PP is mainly because PP was the first chipset we got working USB on back in the day |
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12:41:17 | ChristW | Re-making stuff etc... |
12:42:12 | ChristW | Z80-stuff... my first processor that I programmed Basic and assembly on. |
12:52:01 | ChristW | Ok, I can enable logf-via-usb from the debug menu, but no /dev/ttyUSB ports show up :-( |
12:52:39 | ChristW | I also tried this from my host OS (development is in a VM..), but no luck there, either. |
12:53:23 | ChristW | lsusb finds an Apple, Inc. iPod classic. dmesg finds lots of stuff as well. |
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13:01:24 | ChristW | Perhaps 'Speed: Top' has something to do with it? |
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13:25:56 | chrisjj | "If you want to have a cancel actions change, you could use the power button. That would make sense according to typical usage" |
13:33:17 | Bilgus | personally I find the cancel changes stuff to be kinda pointless with anything with less than 10 settings |
13:33:58 | Bilgus | I can see it on the sound stuff EQ bass etc |
13:34:36 | Bilgus | but cancel on a yes no thats a waste of resources |
13:34:56 | chrisjj | Would it make sense really? iPod doesn't have a power button, and ZEN is awkward to use. |
13:36:23 | Bilgus | well some players have a way to cancel and AFAICT some don't but I might put it on the mask select part since I removed the save prompt |
13:37:16 | Bilgus | maybe since i'm using the default bool prompt it'll do it automagic |
13:37:44 | chrisjj | No players have no way to cancel. |
13:38:56 | Bilgus | yeah the yes/no does it so I think the button selection should as well |
13:39:26 | Bilgus | I'll add that tonight |
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14:09:52 | chrisjj | Bilgus: Why not make your setting change cancel work as do the regular Sound Settings, Playback Settings etc.? |
14:10:54 | chrisjj | To commit the selected value, press Select. To leave the menu without comitting the selected value i.e. to cancel, press Left. |
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15:37:14 | chrisjj | Here's the results on Sansa Clip+ http://i.imgur.com/kdOpl41.png |
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15:56:48 | chrisjj | Anyone else just get dropped from IRC by freenode unable to connect to the server? |
15:58:09 | chrisjj | And forums are down. |
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16:38:58 | chrisjj | I'd love someone to tell me how to empty the current playlist! |
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17:12:18 | pamaury | chrisjj: stop audio? or just select any file to replace the current playlist with one file? |
17:22:19 | chrisjj | I want to just empty the list. Naturally that will stop play. |
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17:27:17 | pamaury | chrisjj: then why don't just stop audio ? |
17:28:30 | chrisjj | "Stop audio" meaning press Play to stop play?? That doesn't empty the current playlist. |
17:37:11 | chrisjj | I think actually there is no command to empty the current playlist. |
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17:38:00 | chrisjj | I've searched the three different menus named Playlist and the one or more named Current Playlist, and I see no such command. |
17:39:05 | pamaury | chrisjj: long press play |
17:39:42 | pamaury | it's not pause, it's complete stop, but I'm not sure it clears the playlist, although I don't see the use of that "feature" |
17:41:19 | chrisjj | No, that doesn't do it here (iPod sim). It stops and jumps to Files http://i.imgur.com/xkUkLHJ.png |
17:42:46 | chrisjj | Clear Current Playlist is very common on players inc. DAPs e.g. ZEN, and desktop software e.g. MediaMonkey. |
17:43:43 | chrisjj | The use is to get ready for creating a playlist by adding tracks −− on RB, File Insert. |
17:45:24 | pamaury | chrisjj: then take the first file of the new playlist, and press play, it clears the playlist and adds one file |
17:45:33 | pamaury | rockbox is not a playlist manager, it's a music *player* |
17:45:42 | chrisjj | Yes, I'm aware of the workaround. |
17:48:21 | chrisjj | "rockbox is not a playlist manager, it's a music *player*" Well, different people call it different things. |
17:50:58 | chrisjj | Either way, RB's player is heavily playlist-based and since it has more playlist commands than many other players, it's rather strange to find it lacking this one basic playlist command that is common on other players, e.g. ZEN, iPod ... which also don't call themselves "playlist managers" |
17:55:52 | chrisjj | A workaround /without/ side-effect is Remove each track individually. Though this leaves a slightly confused state. Resume Playback thinks there's no current playlist http://i.imgur.com/oAr2F0c.png but , but Files Select think there is: http://i.imgur.com/6enTW81.png |
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18:01:31 | chrisjj | pamaury: re the button names idea https://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20161219#11:05:01 "a realiable way of getting butto names accross all rockbox"... |
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18:03:15 | chrisjj | Your right approach sounds right to me too. Thanks for the offer of help. I'll do a bit more research (e.g. how this would tie up with the manual) before deciding whether such a mod is within my abilities. |
18:05:19 | pamaury | chrisjj: for the manual it's almost impossible to do it automatically without a LOT of effort |
18:10:46 | chrisjj | pamaury: Understood (I've done far harder before!) which is why I didn't say 'automatic' :) |
18:11:54 | chrisjj | The tie-up I was thinking of would be something a lot easier that would allow manual effort to get an accurate result. |
18:13:21 | chrisjj | Whether this is worth it depends on how many more manuals there are in RBs life. But since there are a batch of manuals overdue (the many that have been missing from 3.13 for the last three years), now might be a better time than any to consider it. |
18:14:29 | chrisjj | BTW, I should have a ZEN battery_bench.txt for you tonight. |
18:14:31 | chrisjj | Bye for now |
18:14:46 | chrisjj | And thanks again for your awesome work on ZEN. |
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19:54:41 | johnb3 | Bilgus: Thanks for the explanation on "unknown". Unmapped means no action assigned to a key/key combination in the current context. This explains the different behaviour for "south key" on clip+ and fuze. For clip+ noting is assigned, for fuze it's menu. |
19:55:37 | johnb3 | I believe with the channge TorC proposed for cancel, it is ready for prime time for clip+. I still need to test Fuze. |
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19:56:18 | johnb3 | Frankly, I confess that only today I understood that SL is completely unrelated to BL. |
19:58:58 | johnb3 | SL just filters which keys are considered during screen lock. BTW, should "Advanced Screen Lock" be renamed to "Advanced key/keyboard"lock" or "Advanced Lock Screen"? |
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20:00:15 | johnb3 | Keys that pass the SL filter are then considered if BL is active and handled accordingly. |
20:01:05 | johnb3 | I feel this needs a good explanation for the fine manual. I volunteer to help if this gets commited. |
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20:43:23 | Bilgus_ph | Johnb2: 'advanced keylock' is probably a better name tbh since it really has nothing to do with the screen I could probably move the backlight code before the screen lock code but this way keeps it out of the custom key maps since it likely will never match any actions there (or the contexts) or if it does would likely be wrong |
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20:44:13 | Bilgus_ph | And any help is appreciated |
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21:08:40 | johnb2 | Bilgus: FuzeV2 is fine, too, with one exception: "Unknown keys" is selected. When in FMS, short Select turns on BL. According to the manual there is no action mapped to short Select ... |
21:09:08 | johnb2 | I don't really care, but just to let you know. |
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21:11:23 | johnb2 | As for help on the manual, I could do something during the coming two (holiday) weeks, but I would need some advice or pointer how to contribute most efficiently. It's about 20 years ago when I last used Latex for my thesis ;-) |
21:16:55 | TorC | johnb2: It's pretty simple to just add a few notes. Just open the file to the relevant part, and follow the existing format. |
21:18:16 | johnb2 | I am just browsing through the wiki pages on the manual. I see. I will give it a try. |
21:18:46 | TorC | BTW, Bilgus I agree it can be ready for prime time on Zip too. Arguably the power button in action select /should/ cancel, but with some players not having a suitable button, and as simple as the action list is, it isn't a big deal. |
21:20:51 | TorC | Good luck. I'd help, but that would mean installing git again, and that has a few steps ahead of it. Otherwise, I can't get a proper diff against the repository, just against individual files. |
21:21:01 | johnb2 | * during my holidays. |
21:22:08 | TorC | Of course. There is also the small matter of my holidays being easily filled to bursting with work. |
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23:17:58 | Bilgus | Jonb2, TorC there isn't a way for me to find out if the user hit a certain button while exiting the action selection screen I suppose I could make a menu item that states: SAVE but that seems kind of wonky |
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23:18:32 | Bilgus | either that or one that states: CANCEL but again.. |
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23:33:11 | Bilgus | ok next best thing is if you cancel in the prior menu it will splash canceled and not save them mask |
23:33:19 | Bilgus | the* |
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23:55:04 | TorC | Bilgus: It isn't a big deal. There are so few settings, they are obvious enough what they do, and easy enough to change. I'd just ignore it then. The power button when exiting the root selBL menu also invokes stop playback, and at that point you've run out of useful buttons on clip+/zip. |
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23:55:13 | TorC | Thus, my vote would be leave it as is. |
23:56:21 | Bilgus | well left is also cancel as well, i'm looking into atm |
23:56:28 | TorC | If you really want to, you could add a line to the root selBL settings "Cancel Changes" |
23:57:12 | TorC | If you want left for cancel, then the bottom line in root selBL settings could be "Confirm Changes" |
23:57:43 | Bilgus | yeah thought about that but is kind of annoying |
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23:58:35 | TorC | True. The challenge I see is that the expectation is that only when exiting from actions is the cancel expected to occur. |