00:00:04 | Bilgus | oh sure there is but it makes menu cluttered and requires another step |
00:00:40 | Bilgus | I think i'll just stick to what I have it is afterall a totally new menu selection type |
00:01:12 | TorC | Agreed. I think in this case the perfect is the enemy of the good. |
00:01:44 | Bilgus | I had the save prompt so if it becomes an issue i'll go with that it is already __builtin: :p and it doesn't require a bunch of static vars bloating the code |
00:02:53 | TorC | AFAICS, it shouldn't be an issue. |
00:03:05 | TorC | Thanks for all your hard work on this. |
00:04:13 | Bilgus | oh np I enjoy it plus I think it is a very needed addition to most players |
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00:07:39 | TorC | I still appreciate it too. Actually, the first player I ever bought was purchased with the plan to install RB. |
00:07:54 | TorC | Nor do I own a player that won't take RB. |
00:09:21 | TorC | I've considered one of the Sony ones, since they are under active development, but the Clip series is still the best bargain I know of for maximum available storage, despite the absurd used prices - no doubt thanks to RB. |
00:09:42 | Bilgus | agreed |
00:10:36 | TorC | Any of the Sony players would be merely for my own amusement in having a different player |
00:11:17 | TorC | About the only significant gain for the size and price I can see is an internal speaker. |
00:11:53 | TorC | A little hard to justify when I can keep my zip in my shirt pocket without weighing it down too much. |
00:12:00 | Bilgus | they are also damn large from what I see |
00:13:30 | Bilgus | I bought a clip+ for my car like 3-5 years ago with the plan to RB it and it stayed n there till the mp3 stereos got good enough to justify and now I use it at work |
00:14:19 | Bilgus | I replaced the battery which amazingly enough still lasted 6 hrs or so even after being in the sun for years |
00:14:19 | TorC | Yep. The pocket I can keep a player in without it getting scratched is my shirt pocket or a cargo pocket (when I have one). The other pockets are hazardous to a player for one reason or another. |
00:15:02 | TorC | Yeah, they seem to hold up quite well under moderate use. A shame Sandisk downgraded the hardware for the newer players. |
00:15:03 | Bilgus | I destroy smartphones at work anything that can stand up with me is well designed |
00:15:38 | Bilgus | I don't even wear watches anymore because they last less than a few months |
00:15:42 | TorC | Hopefully before we run out of Clip+/Zips Sandisk or someone will come out with a RBable replacement. |
00:16:08 | Bilgus | I'll build one if it comes to that |
00:16:29 | TorC | I manage a watch reasonably well, but I wouldn't go for an expensive one. Even a cheaper scratch resistant face can't avoid scratches by the time the battery dies on me. |
00:17:26 | TorC | I might do the same. I think one reason for the durability of the clip series is that they are so light that even when they get dropped, they don't have that much momentum with which to cause damage. |
00:17:44 | Bilgus | last watch I had that made it till the battery died was an iron man by timex the newer ones not so much |
00:18:01 | Bilgus | pi zero is pretty damn small |
00:18:43 | TorC | True on the pi. Saint was looking into that as well. |
00:19:20 | TorC | Put that in a reasonably ruggedized case, and it should hold up pretty well. |
00:19:56 | Bilgus | I thought about an ipod already have a 2nd gen nano and 6th gen ( which i was informed has no RB) :(( but I don't like the lack of sdcard ( not like my kids even care about them with their smartphones in tow) |
00:20:00 | TorC | If I did that for myself, I might be tempted to build it with sealed jacks. |
00:20:57 | TorC | I've never understood dropping the sd - other than a way for mfrs to make more money charging for increased storage, and sell new devices when people fill up their cheaper ones. |
00:21:02 | Bilgus | I think i'd move for bluetooth headphones and put in pads for charging to be sealed |
00:21:48 | Bilgus | i'm not against spending $$ if it means I get exactly what I want |
00:22:13 | TorC | That thought actually didn't occur to me, but then our place is entirely wired. Ethernet all the way. |
00:23:08 | TorC | *of BT headphones |
00:25:52 | TorC | I'm usually willing to spend money if the result is really right. Though I generally think long and hard about it before I pull the trigger. |
00:28:04 | Bilgus | same |
00:28:46 | TorC | See RB-community |
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00:42:48 | Bilgus | Johnb2: when I press the select button in the sim i get the files browse list, for that matter I don't see anyway of getting a short press except for touchscreens |
00:44:45 | Bilgus | ah nm you said in fm didn't you |
00:53:28 | Bilgus | it maps to STD_OK |
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01:03:19 | Bilgus | kinda odd it works with button down on the clip+ but not on the fuzev2 Idk if I want to screw with it or just remove the setting |
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01:10:23 | dan- | bah |
01:21:10 | Bilgus | johnb2: I think I have it worked out ill upload new firmware in a few hours |
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01:44:01 | Bilgus | nope Its just going to have to be like it is it breaks other players |
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01:45:18 | Bilgus | I think i'll probable leave the setting though as it works on literal unknown actions |
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05:20:07 | chrisjj | "About the only significant gain for the size and price I can see is an internal speaker." ZEN X-Fi is a nice player with speakers. Only imperfection is the buttons are rather uncomfortable. |
05:38:22 | chrisjj | Hmm. ZEN charged, battery_bench.txt file has zero entries. I must have messed up. Retrying... |
05:44:17 | chrisjj | pamaury: "take the first file of the new playlist, and press play, it clears the playlist and adds one file" |
05:44:33 | chrisjj | I thought I'd seen this working, but now I don't. |
05:47:18 | chrisjj | e.g. using ipodvideo-sim-w32 dev 2016-12-18 3ee7972 |
05:52:27 | chrisjj | Two tracks on the current playlist: http://i.imgur.com/BUWo92i.png . In Files, select a track http://i.imgur.com/hJaUcF5.png and press Play. |
05:53:54 | chrisjj | Result: two tracks, not one. |
05:55:24 | chrisjj | Ah. RB fails to clear the current playlist if it /equals/ the list of tracks /containing/ the single required track. <sigh> |
05:57:36 | Bilgus | huh odd that it would take the time to go through I suppose that is needed to keep from adding a track multiple times to the same pl |
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06:02:50 | chrisjj | I've added duplicate tracks many times. I think RB never prevents it. |
06:04:25 | chrisjj | Trying on Sansa Clip+. |
06:05:04 | chrisjj | Well, that was quick. Clip+ 'Files' has no usable Play button. Play does Up. |
06:06:16 | chrisjj | Bilgus, is there another model sim or device you're familiar with, on which you could do a sanity check for me. Ideally iPod. |
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06:10:39 | Bilgus | ok same on fuze+ but if instead you go to the file long press select and choose 'Current Playlist' > PLAY NEXT it works as expected |
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06:17:14 | chrisjj | Trying... |
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06:18:23 | chrisjj | fuze+ or clip+? |
06:19:52 | Bilgus | fuze+ |
06:20:04 | Bilgus | same with the actual clip+ |
06:20:14 | chrisjj | On clip+ sim it doesn't work. Fails to clear the playlist. Before: http://i.imgur.com/jYQMQND.png After: http://i.imgur.com/CQbscer.png |
06:20:16 | Bilgus | fuze+ was on sim |
06:22:26 | Bilgus | I do not that when you go back to the WPS it still shows more than one file but when you try to skip that song it updates to 1/1 |
06:22:33 | Bilgus | note* |
06:23:13 | chrisjj | Urk! Trying |
06:24:13 | chrisjj | Not here on clip+ sim. Before: http://i.imgur.com/4fbi1iX.png After skip: http://i.imgur.com/Fd4kRfo.png After further skip: http://i.imgur.com/OxJQFar.png |
06:27:38 | Bilgus | ill try the clip+sim |
06:28:58 | Bilgus | ok works there as well |
06:29:02 | chrisjj | Insert failure to clear also found on fuze+ sim. Before: http://i.imgur.com/vFFMrUN.png After Insert and two skips: http://i.imgur.com/VHeHOoV.png |
06:29:28 | chrisjj | Oh? You mean your Insert /does/ clear on clip+sim? |
06:29:32 | Bilgus | hmm i bet those sims are 3.13 |
06:29:47 | chrisjj | Oh my god. |
06:30:01 | Bilgus | system>rockbox info |
06:31:30 | chrisjj | OK. |
06:31:38 | chrisjj | Fuze+ here: http://i.imgur.com/QjciqRB.png |
06:31:52 | chrisjj | The filename is the dev build # that rasher's site told me. Did he fib? |
06:32:37 | Bilgus | no looks possible to me build 12-18-2016 |
06:34:33 | Bilgus | ok so here is wha is on my sim, 3 files all mp3, the current pl has all 3 i then go to files long press select till menu pops up i choose Current Playlist and I then go down to PLAY NEXt |
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06:34:52 | Bilgus | it then goes back to files i choose resume playback |
06:35:21 | Bilgus | it says 1/2 i then hist skip fwd and it refreshes to 1/1 |
06:35:51 | chrisjj | My clip+ sim is laso recent dev buid according to rasher http://i.imgur.com/1Sfd4Ps.png |
06:36:07 | chrisjj | Refreshes to 1/1. Coo. I can't get that! |
06:36:40 | chrisjj | Ah, PLAY next. Gotcha. Trying. |
06:38:20 | chrisjj | Got it. clip+ sim. Shows two files, but then skip refreshes to 1. |
06:38:28 | chrisjj | http://i.imgur.com/JEJb8iM.png |
06:38:58 | Bilgus | yep and it is still the same file you selected correct? |
06:40:15 | chrisjj | The remain 1/1 file is the one I selected and Play next-ed, yes. |
06:42:16 | chrisjj | So, we have one method for Clear Playlist. Files, <track>, <context menu>, Current Playlist, Play Next. |
06:43:24 | chrisjj | That I will call The Bilgus Workaround :-) |
06:43:52 | chrisjj | Now, can you get the Pamaury Workaround to work? "take the first file of the new playlist, and press play, it clears the playlist and adds one file" |
06:46:04 | Bilgus | that just resumes the current playlist for me |
06:46:55 | Bilgus | same with select |
06:48:11 | chrisjj | Same for me. So I think pamaury is in error. I guess he misrecalled Play Next command as Play button. |
06:48:40 | chrisjj | As for The Bilgus Workaround, it operates on iPod too. |
06:50:33 | Bilgus | meh dude has a lot on his plate balls deep in several ports and toolchains |
06:51:44 | chrisjj | Sure. He's a hero! |
06:53:27 | chrisjj | The Bilgus Workaround operates on ZEN too. So I assume it is universal. |
06:53:53 | chrisjj | BTW, before you skip to refresh, the bogus track is playable too. |
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06:55:05 | Bilgus | ah so i suppose it is true to its name then |
06:55:08 | chrisjj | I'll make a summary for pamaury. |
06:55:11 | chrisjj | pamaury: Re Clear Playlist, I and Bilgus can't get your "take the first file of the new playlist, and press play, it clears the playlist and adds one file" to work at all. |
06:58:08 | chrisjj | pamaury: The only way we've found to clear playlist with minimal side effects (adding one track) is: Files, <track>, <context menu>, Current Playlist, Play Next, [Erase dynamic playlist?] Yes, skip forward (to erase bogus remnant track). |
06:58:48 | Bilgus | hmm maybe an optio should be added 'Play Now' |
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07:03:00 | chrisjj | The fact the Clear List and Play Now are missing really does suggest some clear thinking be applied! |
07:05:26 | Bilgus | without looking into the source or talking to the original developer of that you can't really say things like that |
07:05:49 | chrisjj | I now know why I got inconsistent results when first testing (audio off). If the CP ends while you're in Files, Play Next disappears! http://i.imgur.com/7YNz6JX.png |
07:06:06 | chrisjj | Very poor design. |
07:06:59 | chrisjj | I really doubt there is one original developer. I'd guess we're seeing the effect of layers. |
07:08:44 | chrisjj | But hey, if you can imagine any reason for there being no command to play just the selected track, do say. |
07:09:51 | Bilgus | selecting insert i think then adds just the file |
07:10:05 | chrisjj | Agreed. |
07:11:19 | chrisjj | meanign the beginner who has no genuine need for Insert and does not see sense in 'inserting' a track in a list that is empty has got to sometimes use Insert instead of Play Now. |
07:12:05 | Bilgus | in english.lng id: LANG_REPLACE desc: in onplay menu. Replace the current playlist with a new one. user: core <source> *: "Play Next" </source> <dest> *: "Play Next" </dest> <voice> *: "Play Next" </voice> |
07:12:41 | chrisjj | Assuming he's still here, after finding that selecting a track and pressing Play fails for no sensible reason, thus: http://i.imgur.com/dBzAslY.png |
07:13:05 | chrisjj | Coo. Looking. |
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07:15:17 | chrisjj | Yeah, "Play Next" == "Replace the current playlist with a new one." Who'd have guessed?? :-) |
07:16:43 | johnb2 | Blgus: On the cancel/saving, I also would leave it as is. It is reasonable intuitive. Same for the Select in FMS, it's no real issue and not worth screwing other things. |
07:16:56 | johnb2 | Thanks a lot for your work! |
07:16:58 | chrisjj | And the manual tells a different story. "Play Next" == "Replaces all but the current playing track with track(s). Current playing track is queued." |
07:17:13 | johnb2 | * Bilgus: |
07:17:16 | Bilgus | https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/1f8ea9fe27313228e5df67ce6447830b5c30e5e3/apps/onplay.c#L222 |
07:17:37 | Bilgus | johnb2: |
07:17:59 | johnb2 | I misspelled your nick above ... |
07:18:00 | Bilgus | the link is for chrisjj |
07:18:59 | chrisjj | Bilgus: "static bool add_to_playlist(int position, bool queue)" is Play Next?? |
07:19:24 | Bilgus | well yes and no that is what it unwinds to |
07:19:58 | Bilgus | https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/1f8ea9fe27313228e5df67ce6447830b5c30e5e3/apps/onplay.c#L302 |
07:20:54 | Bilgus | and the actual menu func https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/1f8ea9fe27313228e5df67ce6447830b5c30e5e3/apps/onplay.c#L372 |
07:21:45 | Bilgus | johnb2: i'm working on the disable unknown thing atm it will instead be two options one for unknown options and one for unmapped actions |
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07:23:14 | chrisjj | This that source shows how it is a muddle, and not why it is a muddle :-) |
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07:25:22 | chrisjj | I find that "Play Next" can prompt to "Erase dynamic playlist?" where "No" is effectively cancel. Goodness know why you're prevented from Playing Next with the existing playlist. |
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07:25:45 | chrisjj | Also, I think I see the clue to the mystery refresh effect you find. |
07:26:00 | chrisjj | s/you find/you found/ |
07:26:44 | chrisjj | manual: "Play Next" == "Replaces all but the current playing track with track(s). Current playing track is queued." |
07:27:13 | Bilgus | no it looks to me like the functionality is there https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/1f8ea9fe27313228e5df67ce6447830b5c30e5e3/apps/onplay.c#L224 |
07:27:16 | chrisjj | "Queued" means evaporates when you skip off it. |
07:27:23 | Bilgus | but you have to stop playback first |
07:28:03 | chrisjj | If so, then the manual is wrong. "/current/ /playing/ track" |
07:32:26 | Bilgus | looks to me like you could pretty easily tweak that to your desires |
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07:32:57 | Bilgus | bool new_playlist = !(audio_status() & AUDIO_STATUS_PLAY)|NEWFUCKIGNPLAYLIST; |
07:33:33 | chrisjj | "but you have to stop playback first" Testing shows no. I.e. Current Playlist's current track evaporates when the play 'head' leaves it, regardless of whether it is playing. |
07:33:59 | chrisjj | "looks to me like you could pretty easily tweak that to your desires" Sure, but that's not product design. |
07:34:22 | chrisjj | What's needed IMO is a solution that meets general users' desires. |
07:34:36 | Bilgus | well see that is the funny thing.. unless explicity stopped i think pause still returns is playing IIRC |
07:35:22 | chrisjj | Unfortunately I can imagine many old-timers would not welcome change to the muddle to which they've long adapted. |
07:35:42 | Bilgus | you apparently don't get what i'm saying making a new menu entry for what you want and making a patch |
07:35:46 | chrisjj | "unless explicity stopped i think pause still returns is playing" Lost me there. |
07:36:17 | chrisjj | "return" as in a function call, perhaps? |
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07:37:25 | chrisjj | "making a new menu entry for what you want and making a patch" Sure. Easy. But I think that's probably the process that created the muddle we now have. |
07:37:59 | Bilgus | there is no actual stop command on most players when I was screwing around making a auto turn off when charging complete patch (for myself btw didn't ever submit it) I found taht there was no way to actually stop playback on my player or rather checking for audio_status() & AUDIO_STATUS_PLAY returns true while a song is playing or paused |
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07:39:06 | chrisjj | Oops. |
07:39:09 | Bilgus | oh chrisjj that sounds like an argument of well it is already screwed so I'm not going to fix it and in that case why even bother wasting anyones time complaining? |
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07:39:22 | chrisjj | Not at all. |
07:40:21 | chrisjj | Motto: "If it is screwed, be sure you understand how it is screwed before attempting a fix". |
07:40:34 | chrisjj | :) |
07:40:36 | Bilgus | I just gave you the path to take so if you wanna do it go for it otherwise it's not on my list |
07:41:23 | chrisjj | Path? I'd say more like a sign pointing into a swamp :-) But thanks for the thought. |
07:42:13 | Bilgus | what do you think source code is?? if it were like driving on a highway anyone could do it |
07:42:47 | chrisjj | But you could be right in that just adding simple commands like "Clear Playlist", "Play Now" and "Play Next (no not that one, the other one)" :) could work... |
07:43:10 | Bilgus | oh theres a curve ahead and traffic on I-95 oh and a max speed on this curve of 25mph I bet if I do 50 i'll crash |
07:43:20 | chrisjj | ... for any user happy to ignore the existing commands else accept the state muddle they cause. |
07:44:11 | Bilgus | I'd seriously suggest against removing stuff unless you find a very good reason to do so |
07:44:20 | chrisjj | Did you try it? If so, how come you're alive to tell? :-) |
07:44:45 | Bilgus | Someone is used to how it works |
07:44:51 | chrisjj | I wasn't suggesting removing. |
07:45:15 | chrisjj | Hence just adding fixed command, leaving the muddled ones crapping up the UI. |
07:45:58 | chrisjj | "Someone is used to how it works" Yup, and probably someone who doesn't much care how many new users it repels. |
07:46:20 | chrisjj | Classic problem arising from poorly curated collaborative design. |
07:46:47 | Bilgus | you see to forget this mantra FOR DEVS BY DEVS |
07:47:10 | Bilgus | don''t like it make your own or use OF |
07:47:35 | chrisjj | Not official, by a long shot. I think there are some Scandinavians who would remind you of that. |
07:48:01 | Bilgus | well I suggest you take your concerns to them |
07:48:10 | chrisjj | "don''t like it make your own" ... being the slow death of collaboration. |
07:48:51 | chrisjj | Re audio_status() & AUDIO_STATUS_PLAY ... |
07:49:00 | Bilgus | no it sure seems you have plenty to bitch about but have taken very little action so i'm gonna leave it at that have a good night |
07:49:15 | chrisjj | ... have you found any audio_status_really_actually_playing() ? |
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10:12:00 | TorC | and without even current mfr support, which is no better than the clip series today. |
10:13:23 | TorC | From what I've heard and read the headphone out sound quality of the clip series is pretty good. |
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14:52:50 | Bilgus | TorC: if you go into your zip and choose FM Radio, (and add a few presets if you have none) then short press FM_MODE to switch between scan and preset mode note that it chages the mode and then do a long press to get I assume VOL DOWN does it still toggle the preset mode? |
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15:39:38 | chrisjj | TorC : "Looks like a bundle of money for little more than a speaker at a cost in size" It has quite a lot more than a speaker :) The size gets you also a gorgeous 2.5" 320x 240 24-bit display. |
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15:41:55 | chrisjj | And more buttons. |
15:43:22 | chrisjj | True it is out of support from the manufacturer, but there's little value in manuf. support of a Rockboxed player anyway. |
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20:43:29 | TorC | Bilgus: On the zip FM screen, volume uses the same volume buttons as normal, with the down to switch scan/preset is down on the "directional keypad" for lack of a better term. |
20:44:55 | TorC | ^normal, with^normal, while |
20:46:23 | TorC | Therefore, the two operations are entirely orthogonal, and changing either has zero risk of colliding with the other. |
20:47:28 | TorC | It also mean that the FM screen uses a button for scan/preset switch that is unused in WPS |
20:48:15 | TorC | I do use that button in WPS to activate the backlight in order to ask the player about the currently playing track specifically because it does nothing. |
20:50:20 | TorC | Round about here, I don't have much use for the FM player. In my checking, I found exactly one station I could pick up cleanly in mono, and it isn't one I have much interest in listening to. |
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21:29:40 | Bilgus_ph | Torc to clairify on your player in Fms long press up on keypad doesn't turn volume up and long press down doesn't turn volume down? |
21:32:14 | Bilgus_ph | ON clip+ if i short press up it mutes unmutes long press it turns vol up; and short press down changes mode (scan seek) but long press down changes mode and turns volume down. Pretty sure it is a bug in the keynap |
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22:03:49 | ulmutul | chrisjj,Bilgus: I cannot reproduce the described errors (failing to erase old playlist when creating a new one). For me this function works exactly as expected (tested on YH820). Are you shure you really /stopped/ audio (as opposed to just /pause/ audio)? |
22:04:48 | ulmutul | 'Motto: "If it is screwed, be sure you understand how it is screwed before attempting a fix".' (https://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20161221#07:40:21) |
22:04:50 | ulmutul | I absolutely agree with this statement! So before blaming a muddle to that the devs just got used to, you should dig a bit deeper and track down the real problem ;) |
22:05:19 | ulmutul | The described problems look to me as if the audio wasn't really /stopped/. If you find that a target is "unstoppable" by a bug in the keymaps, please report it here, so that it can be fixed (or look for yourself in apps/keymaps/). |
22:05:31 | ulmutul | Hint: the right key to stop audio should be listed in the manual: Chapter 4.3.1 "WPS Key control". |
22:08:53 | Bilgus | ulmutul: you are exactly right stopping playback makes it work as expected |
22:09:50 | Bilgus | which is what the code suggested |
22:10:15 | Bilgus | I however did not know that there was a stop playback button |
22:11:03 | ulmutul | "Stop Audio" is not really self-explanatory for rockbox novices, so maybe "mr. someone" should clarify this in the manual :) |
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22:27:27 | TorC | Bilgus: Oops. You're right, the long up/down also operates volume. Click up is mute/unmute. |
22:28:05 | TorC | And yes, both also perform the click action on keypress, with no distinction regarding time before release. |
22:28:24 | Bilgus | yeah same I think thats a bug |
22:28:44 | TorC | That's what I get for trying to test something I don't use normally. |
22:28:56 | TorC | I'd agree it's a bug. |
22:30:46 | TorC | I've just installed the current dev version on one of my alternate players to verify it's not you (but I doubt it) |
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22:34:22 | TorC | Bilgus: Yep. Current dev exhibits same behaviour. You can ignore it, except as the question affects selBL/selSL. |
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22:36:57 | Bilgus | I'll submit a separate patch for it once I get a chance to test my changes to it |
22:41:11 | ulmutul | __builtin: can you test a fix for the "filled polygon" function? |
22:41:12 | ulmutul | In rockbox.c replace line 258 for (i=0; i<num_of_intersects; i+=2) { |
22:41:14 | ulmutul | with for (i=0; i<num_of_intersects-1; i+=2) { |
22:44:19 | ulmutul | and after line 232 (after if (y1==y2) { direct=0;) you should insert |
22:44:21 | ulmutul | rb->lcd_hline(x1, x2, scanline); (this is for edged that consist of only a single horizontal line) |
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23:01:54 | ulmutul | and maybe (for safety) insert "if (num_of_intersects >= MAX_INTERSECTION) break;" after line 242 (after "++num_of_intersects;") |
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