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| 01:36:07 | scorche | Oh - I hadn't noticed that the forums actually had a proper database error now - lovely |
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| 01:38:11 | scorche | Sorry folks, but I just cant fix it at the moment - and probably wont for a bit longer... Family is over and we are prepping for the birth of the kid, so yay... |
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| 01:39:08 | scorche | I won't be working for the next couple of months, so I will have time to completely re-do the server, but when I actually start that depends on how the kid sleeps and such, I guess. |
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| 03:11:01 | dongs | haah |
| 03:20:50 | fIorz | what happened? :-) |
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| 05:11:47 | dongs | no just replying about the forum finally haveing a database error |
| 05:12:36 | fIorz | IC :-) |
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| 05:40:07 | scorche | well, I fixed the database error at leastr |
| 05:40:33 | scorche | the messages I mentioned earlier still stand for the "big fix" that needs to happen |
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| 10:53:12 | RetroFan90 | i am having some issues with my iPod Nano 1st Gen 2 GB White. |
| 10:54:50 | RetroFan90 | http://pastebin.ca/3751195 |
| 10:55:20 | RetroFan90 | the error is kind hard to read because the screen is slightly damaged |
| 10:55:26 | RetroFan90 | kind of * |
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| 11:02:28 | RetroFan90 | i think i figured it out :( |
| 11:03:28 | RetroFan90 | sorry for the trouble :) |
| 11:03:44 | RetroFan90 | Happy New Year. |
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| 12:42:52 | Mihail | pamaury: I have strange problem with internal flash in clip zip: if I set low voltage (CVDD2) and than revert this voltage back to normal - internal flash stop working. If I try reinit it - it stop on ACMD41. External sd card work without problems. I change voltages when flash at idle state (all related clocks off). Have idea what can be wrong or w |
| 12:42:52 | Mihail | hat should I try? |
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| 13:03:04 | pamaury | Mihail: hard to say, first one would need to know what CVDD2 controls and what voltage you set it to |
| 13:05:37 | pamaury | also I don't remember wat spec says about voltage changes. You can change the data lines voltage if you issue the problem voltage change command but for the main voltage of the chip, I think you can only do that when the reset pin is active |
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| 13:06:27 | pamaury | did you try to reset te chip ? cause if the voltage of the chip drops, it may crash it until you reset it |
| 13:08:57 | Mihail | CVDD2 control all memory (RAM, SD, internal flash) and probably something else |
| 13:09:19 | Mihail | internal memory freeze with voltages < 2V |
| 13:10:26 | Mihail | are you know how can I activate reset pin on AMS v2? |
| 13:11:24 | pamaury | I'm reading the spec right now for mmc (should mostly apply to sd). It says you can cange the voltage if you put the chip in sleep mode (there is a command for that I think, and then you need to wake it up) |
| 13:11:48 | pamaury | why do you need to turn CVDD2 low and high ? |
| 13:12:17 | Mihail | I think it in sleep mode as all related clocks is down |
| 13:12:31 | pamaury | you need a special command to sleep |
| 13:12:34 | pamaury | (CMD5) |
| 13:13:07 | pamaury | otherwise a chip is supposed to monitorr vcc and if voltage goes to low, it goes back to pre-init state and you need to redo a full init *in theory* |
| 13:13:52 | Mihail | I want implement dynamically voltage scaling for CVDD2 and get less power consumption (more info on forum, but it down) |
| 13:14:07 | pamaury | try puttting flash to sleep before changing the voltage I would say |
| 13:16:10 | * | pamaury checks the SD spec |
| 13:16:46 | pamaury | ok my mistake, sleep might only exists in MMC and not SD |
| 13:17:06 | pamaury | also thinking about it now, I have now idea how the sd -> nand layer handles that |
| 13:19:00 | Mihail | we do CMD7 (SD_DESELECT_CARD) before down clocks |
| 13:20:01 | pamaury | that might not be enough, it puts the card in inactive mode only |
| 13:21:13 | Mihail | I try power off it, but both flash and sd still work :( |
| 13:21:50 | pamaury | power off what ? |
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| 13:22:33 | * | pamaury thinks putting RAM, SD and internal flash on the same power rail is stupid |
| 13:23:03 | dongs | heh |
| 13:23:43 | Mihail | MCI_PWREN &= ~pwr_mask; /* power off all cards */ |
| 13:24:12 | pamaury | hum, do you know what that does exactly ? |
| 13:24:34 | pamaury | the internal storage seems like a hack with the sd to nand translation, that might explain the problem |
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| 13:24:54 | Mihail | maybe I should try CMD0 before voltage changes? |
| 13:25:07 | dongs | two things either 1) there's a enable/disable pin that turns off vcc to sd card(s) via fet/regulator or 2) puts card in poweroff mode |
| 13:25:28 | pamaury | the SD specs is a bit vague, the way I understand it, you need a true power down and then power up as soon as the voltage falls below 2.7V (or whatever the minimum operating voltage is). And true power down is <0.5V |
| 13:26:00 | pamaury | and after true power down you need to send a CMD0 to reset and then reinit |
| 13:26:06 | dongs | I heard sandisk approached rockbox about opensores and that ended super well |
| 13:26:59 | pamaury | but the code already sends CMD0 on reinit, not sure if CMD0 before power down helps |
| 13:27:56 | pamaury | dongs: did they ? I think Austria Microsystems approached us back in 2007 |
| 13:28:24 | dongs | and how well did that end? |
| 13:29:16 | pamaury | they gave us the datasheets https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AustriaMicrosystems |
| 13:29:56 | dongs | err isnt the 3534 the one thats in clip+? |
| 13:33:30 | pamaury | I think AS3534 is an audio codec |
| 13:34:43 | pamaury | the clip+ uses that, it's integrated into the amsv2 soc |
| 13:34:46 | pamaury | iirc |
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| 13:39:42 | Mihail | pamaury: no success with CMD0. External sd work good even at 1.5V |
| 13:39:57 | dongs | huh is that evne in spec for SD |
| 13:40:06 | dongs | i'd expect them to work at like 1.8 or something but not less than that |
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| 13:40:34 | Mihail | and sd was in 3.3V mode :) |
| 13:42:11 | Mihail | pamaury: can you send to me AS3531 and AS3534 datasheets? |
| 13:45:05 | dongs | ugh |
| 13:45:17 | dongs | so I cant just install gcc-arm-embedded + make to build rockbox on windows? |
| 13:45:31 | dongs | what other stuff does it need that requires cygwin+shit? |
| 13:48:43 | dongs | oh, perl heh |
| 13:49:36 | dongs | pamaury: https://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html this |
| 13:50:25 | __builtin | pamaury: are the datasheets from AMS public now? |
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| 13:58:12 | dongs | oh look i found a clipzip i have |
| 13:58:15 | dongs | is that > or < than clip+ |
| 13:59:18 | pamaury | Mihail: I don't have them |
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| 14:00:01 | Mihail | pamaury: maybe saratoga have? |
| 14:00:10 | pamaury | no idea, or funman |
| 14:00:39 | pamaury | but I don't know if that's going to help, we miss a lot of information about amsv2 |
| 14:01:07 | dongs | has anyone just tried emailing or calling them |
| 14:01:12 | dongs | and referencing old events |
| 14:01:33 | dongs | bla bla lunux bla bla opensores bla bla 2009 giev dox plz thx |
| 14:02:58 | pamaury | now that you mentioned it, I think sandisk contacted us but then suddenly stopped responding |
| 14:03:43 | Mihail | pamaury: yes but datasheets for AS3525 and AS3543 already help a lot |
| 14:05:01 | pamaury | well AS3531 is an audio codec |
| 14:06:08 | pamaury | ah maybe not, in any case I don't have the datasheet I think |
| 14:09:40 | pamaury | Mihail: funman is the one who editted the wiki to put this datasheet list |
| 14:11:38 | pamaury | Mihail: I can send you the linux as352x and as353x patches that funman sent me |
| 14:13:42 | pamaury | Mihail: I sent an email to funman |
| 14:18:20 | Mihail | thanks, it can be useful |
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| 14:18:50 | rockbox_fan | hey guys |
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| 14:23:01 | funman | answered |
| 14:24:32 | dongs | heh |
| 14:24:35 | dongs | that was fast. |
| 14:26:33 | Mihail | pamaury: Did you have idea how can I reset internal flash? I look at linux/drivers/mmc/host/dw_mmc.c and try use RST_N but no success. |
| 14:27:10 | dongs | if its really nand>sd translation in hardware, you probably cant |
| 14:29:05 | funman | google as3543 gives a pdf as 1st link |
| 14:30:00 | Mihail | dongs: sd2nand controller should have way to reset? |
| 14:30:22 | dongs | Mihail: well, nand has no r eset pin iirc. |
| 14:30:27 | dongs | it could have some sequence to internally reset I guess |
| 14:30:47 | funman | google gives as3531 pdf as 2nd link |
| 14:31:30 | Mihail | I think I should find way to reset sd2nand controller, not nand |
| 14:31:50 | dongs | Mihail: that would probably be peripheral power registers that enable/disable clocks/reset them |
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| 14:32:17 | dongs | (that would probably reset both extenral sd and nand together tho) |
| 14:32:18 | Mihail | funman: it just product brief |
| 14:32:19 | johnb3 | Mihail: have you seen https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/SansaAMS#Hardware_Info it has links to various docs |
| 14:32:52 | dongs | hweh the arm9* ds's are particularly worthless |
| 14:32:55 | dongs | since its just the core |
| 14:33:47 | johnb3 | but not for AS3531 and AS3534, sorry, wrote this too quick |
| 14:36:30 | Mihail | dongs: we disable all clocks already, power off just don't work (probably memory powered directly) and I don't know how reset cards |
| 14:40:42 | Mihail | dongs |
| 14:40:42 | Mihail | dongs: BTW are you measure voltages on nand before desoldering it? |
| 14:40:59 | dongs | nope, but i have other clip+s i can try with |
| 14:41:02 | dongs | i got a drawer full of dead ones. |
| 14:41:07 | dongs | :D |
| 14:41:18 | dongs | which is why I'm super interested in making the shit work wiht nand flash I can acutally buy and resolder. |
| 14:42:08 | dongs | its at 2.8V |
| 14:42:11 | dongs | just like the rest of the system |
| 14:42:34 | Mihail | ok, thanks! |
| 14:43:06 | dongs | jtag I/Ovoltage was also 2.8 |
| 14:43:20 | dongs | makes sense, since they don't have to care about buck/boost battery and can just step it down always |
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| 15:46:24 | Mihail | possible I found which type of nand (or similar) we have in sansa players: http://www.longsys.com/en/products/detail.asp?id=243 |
| 15:49:03 | dongs | ill call them next week. but I very much doubt it. |
| 15:49:49 | dongs | Mihail: if it was really SD interface WHY have ~40 pins connected on clip+, and in same way you'd hookup regular nand. |
| 15:52:15 | Mihail | maybe their etSD partially compatible with nand? |
| 15:52:39 | dongs | it doesnt really make sense. also did you see the die pic? all pins are actualyl connected |
| 15:52:50 | dongs | http://i.imgur.com/eCKebg9.jpg |
| 15:52:59 | dongs | you dont need 40 signals for SD in any way |
| 15:53:03 | dongs | even for 8bit sdio |
| 15:53:44 | dongs | eMMC has like 150balls in bga but only ~12 are used for signal and a bunch more for power/gnd but thats it |
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| 15:55:35 | dongs | anyway, from manufacturing/part sourcing point of view it doenst make sense |
| 15:55:58 | dongs | "lets put some strange flash in these so we always have to keep manufacturing it, and nobody else will want to buy from us cuz its non-standard" |
| 15:56:36 | dongs | i suppose i could tap a couple pins on a working sansa, that match into nand control pins like CE/WE/whatever and see if those are accessed during boot/operation |
| 15:56:42 | dongs | with timing that looks like something that would be nand-related. |
| 15:57:02 | dongs | also tap those "NC" pins and see wtf is passing over those :) |
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| 15:58:26 | Mihail | did you try connect nand from sansa as regular nand to some controller? |
| 15:58:43 | dongs | no, i have it in a socket but I need to find the matching board where i can plug it into. its omsewhere in my pile of shit |
| 15:58:49 | dongs | that was my todo list for next week |
| 15:58:55 | dongs | to try and read out nand flash ID or something |
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| 16:02:39 | dongs | cool, found it |
| 16:03:30 | dongs | will write some quick test code when its not midnight. probly tomrorow. |
| 16:03:52 | dongs | looks like i have the code too |
| 16:03:52 | dongs | hmm |
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| 16:19:02 | aptzero | hello all, longtime rockbox user (iriver h320 and h120)…thanks for all devs efforts…wanted to post thanks and successful ssd install results on the forums but alas they are down again. will hit the donate button - happy new year! |
| 16:19:49 | __builtin | :D |
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| 16:40:53 | dongs | hm so. |
| 16:41:06 | dongs | my socket works, and reads flash ID from 512meg piece that I have |
| 16:41:20 | dongs | buut, its not reading shit from sandisk one, but im not sure what timings it should be using etc. |
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| 16:48:54 | dongs | my socket only does x8 nand tho, so if that snadisk thing only works in x16 the nit wont work either |
| 16:52:39 | funman | http://ams.com/eng/content/download/125308/723179/file/AS3543_Datasheet_EN_v2.pdf |
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| 16:54:49 | funman | Mihail: you wanted the 3531 too? |
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| 16:56:46 | Mihail | yes |
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| 16:57:24 | Mihail | and 3534 if you have |
| 16:57:58 | dongs | hm yeah so.. Mihail i can read "normal" nand ID, can't read sandisk, but donno about corect timings. if I cahnge timings, i get shit like FF/70/F0/20/ etc as IDs at random, so maybe something is happening but not sure. meh. |
| 16:58:08 | dongs | 1am, not gonna spend more time on it tho. will do next week sometime |
| 16:59:16 | funman | ah 34 not 43 |
| 16:59:26 | funman | Mihail: mihail.z.....@gmail.com ? |
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| 17:01:00 | Mihail | yes |
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| 17:02:17 | funman | Mihail: pamaury: sending 3531 |
| 17:02:47 | dongs | what is it, SoC? |
| 17:03:33 | dongs | oo |
| 17:03:37 | dongs | thats more relevant to clip+/v2 |
| 17:06:12 | pamaury | funman: thanks |
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| 17:06:37 | dongs | pamaury: now read SD controller part and see what it says about nand :) |
| 17:06:50 | funman | can't find 3534 in my mailbox, i might have downloaded it from ams.com a while ago, need to look in old laptops |
| 17:06:58 | dongs | well, unless that bit was custom-added by sandisk |
| 17:07:20 | funman | dongs: what are you looking at? |
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| 17:07:33 | funman | clips don't have a nand controller |
| 17:07:46 | dongs | well, they sure don't, but why is the flash IC hooked up like its nand |
| 17:07:51 | funman | iiuc sandisk replaces them with SD since they don't have to pay SD patents |
| 17:08:04 | dongs | http://i.imgur.com/wh8KbTN.jpg how does this work then |
| 17:08:29 | dongs | if it was SD interface I dont see why they'd need all those pins, in same places wehre you'd find them on regular nand. |
| 17:09:01 | funman | isn't there a SD controller between the nand and the cpu ? |
| 17:09:05 | dongs | no |
| 17:09:11 | pamaury | funman: is the AS3531 the closest to amsv2 ? |
| 17:09:22 | funman | hmm |
| 17:09:35 | funman | iirc it's still very like as3525 |
| 17:09:39 | funman | so like amsv1 |
| 17:10:37 | * | funman git clones |
| 17:11:00 | pamaury | dongs thinks there could be a sd to nand converter in amsv2 since the flash part seems to be a raw nand |
| 17:11:07 | dongs | yeha |
| 17:11:20 | funman | yes that's what i would think |
| 17:11:30 | dongs | it doenst make sense to route all that shit if it doesnt actually use all the signals |
| 17:11:50 | funman | dongs: you could try removing solder points and see if it still works? |
| 17:11:57 | dongs | like? |
| 17:12:35 | funman | if you think some unneeded things are connected try unsoldering them and see if internal flash still works? sorry i am not sure what you want to do exactly |
| 17:12:50 | dongs | well, i have (many) dead clip+'s with dead flash on them |
| 17:13:00 | dongs | i'd like to replace with standard 4/8gib nand if that makes it work. |
| 17:13:07 | funman | oh |
| 17:13:12 | funman | good idea |
| 17:13:21 | dongs | i got one replaced with a 512meg part (thats all I could find on short notice), and it doenst work (obivosuly). i got it booting over jtag into bootloader + usb mode, it comes up as 1.3tb usb device |
| 17:13:25 | dongs | so clearly not working |
| 17:13:35 | dongs | i will get some 4/8gb parts sometime in coming weeks and try that as well |
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| 17:13:47 | pamaury | one thing which we don't know for sure though is that the sd to nand controller may need some bootstrapping to work with some nand, either by preformating the raw nand or using a magic command |
| 17:14:03 | funman | rockbox usb mode right? |
| 17:14:04 | dongs | while waiting i will probably hookup a almost/nearly dying one and check the nand-specific signals to see if theyt're toggling while the flash is being accesses |
| 17:14:12 | dongs | funman: well, bootloader USB mode |
| 17:14:27 | funman | there is some custom SD commands to get the flash size |
| 17:14:33 | funman | bank switching |
| 17:14:49 | funman | maybe those could cause some weird size to be reported |
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| 17:16:00 | pamaury | did you find it by reverse engineering the OF ? |
| 17:16:22 | dongs | i would imagine this kinda stuff is either in ROM or in bootloader |
| 17:16:28 | dongs | early on, shouldn't have any business in firmwarwe |
| 17:16:33 | funman | pamaury: bank switching yes, it's proprietary commands |
| 17:16:42 | funman | https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/master/firmware/export/as3525v2.h seems to agree that amsv2 is still the old as3525 |
| 17:16:45 | johnb3 | I have a dead/bricked clip+. sudo fdisk -l reports it as for 4MB when connected to USB. Does it even make any sense to try the unbrick approach by shorting those two pins and dd'ing the firmware or is the flash completely broken? I had bought it as defective from *bay... |
| 17:16:54 | funman | plus some custom devices and upgraded audio / pmu |
| 17:17:11 | funman | johnb3: nothing to lose i guess |
| 17:17:50 | funman | hm maybe amsv2 doesn't do bank switching stuff though |
| 17:18:06 | pamaury | amsv2 has a different sd controller from amsv1 I think |
| 17:18:10 | dongs | johnb3: mine c omes up as 32meg usb whether those pins are shorted or not |
| 17:18:29 | pamaury | and the sd-as3525v2.c driver doesn't do bank switching |
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| 17:20:02 | funman | ah yep |
| 17:20:35 | funman | capacity is given by csd |
| 17:20:38 | pamaury | I could try to have a look at clip+ ROM, see if it does anything fancy with SD, but it seems a bit unlikely that it would have a magic SD command to somehow reformat |
| 17:20:43 | johnb3 | dongs: I have a second one that comes up as 32MB too. The reason why I ask is that https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick says if AFTER shorting the pins it has 4MB, the nand is dead. |
| 17:21:08 | dongs | johnb3: hm. its still 32 with new "512M" nand that I soldered on there |
| 17:22:44 | dongs | anywa,y writes to it fail/readback is zero |
| 17:22:47 | dongs | so thats obivously not working |
| 17:23:17 | dongs | oh right rom jumped straight to 0x800000D1C and i gave up trying to analyze it |
| 17:23:24 | dongs | pamaury: where did y ou load the rom at, 0x80000000? |
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| 17:24:40 | pamaury | dongs: yes |
| 17:25:02 | pamaury | but if you are going to REing it, I can send you my IDA file, which is based on funman's work |
| 17:25:04 | johnb3 | As a side note, out of 10 I bought 4 have a dead screen, but could be recovered (installing a RB bootloader) otherwise. |
| 17:25:29 | johnb3 | SO now I make use of the voice / talk feature ;-) |
| 17:25:34 | pamaury | at some point I tried to understand the usb protocol of the ROM but gave up |
| 17:26:41 | johnb3 | so it's not always the nand that kills it for people. |
| 17:27:07 | pamaury | dongs: one interesting thing though, is that iirc the ROM implements the SCSI FORMAT_UNIT command, so if you can reach the ROM usb protocol, you could try that see if that helps, on my side I can look at how it's implemented |
| 17:27:59 | dongs | pamaury: remember ROM doens't do much here. when I try to run rockbox bootloader, i connect under reset, set that memory controller to remap ram @ 0 and then jump directly to it |
| 17:28:03 | dongs | it never loads any rom code. |
| 17:28:57 | dongs | 0xC80C03FC etc are peripehrals? |
| 17:29:26 | pamaury | dongs: I know but nothing prevents you from running the ROM code |
| 17:29:37 | dongs | right. |
| 17:29:41 | dongs | it just dies shortly after boot. |
| 17:29:43 | pamaury | dongs: there are plenty of peripherals |
| 17:30:14 | pamaury | the SD spec has an ERASE command |
| 17:30:21 | pamaury | maybe it's worth a try on the 512MB flash ? |
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| 17:34:20 | dongs | hm.i think ill try tapping signals on a non-dead sansa first and see if its talking like a nand or not |
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| 17:40:53 | parchd__ | as hoped, I got an xDuoo X3 for christmas, so whenever things get so far I'm more than happy to help with testing of an official rockbox build |
| 17:42:08 | parchd__ | pamaury: I believe you're doing the work on that chipset - I'll probably be hanging about here after the holidays, but if you send a call for testers out to the list I'll see it when you get to that point |
| 17:43:00 | parchd__ | in the mean time, does anyone know of a reason why I shouldn't use the unofficial rockbox build that already exists? |
| 17:43:49 | pamaury | parchd__: ok thanks, right now I am working on some sony players but that chip is on my soon-todo-list. You can use the unofficial one, I think some people have stability issues but I aven't followed closely |
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| 17:44:38 | parchd__ | pamaury: thanks. Thats cool - I knew from hanging around here in the last couple of weeks that you were focussing on the sony players at the moment |
| 17:46:53 | funman | dongs: 3FC sounds like gpio |
| 17:47:24 | funman | #define GPIOB_BASE 0xC80C0000 |
| 17:49:14 | dongs | pamaury: how useful is the ida one, does it have peripherals segments and stuff mapped as structs etc |
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| 17:49:33 | pamaury | dongs: yes, I mean some of it at least |
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| 17:54:14 | dongs | will take a look later. too many things to do at once :) |
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| 19:47:44 | larsd | Good evening, can someone tell me how I can change the button-combination used for the dual-boot in the source? I got a XDuoo X3 but the people that ported the device apparently set the dual-boot on power + lock, which is very bad, as it completely makes the lock button useles... :P |
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| 19:49:10 | pamaury | larsd: the current Xduoo X3 port is unofficial so I can't tell you |
| 19:52:18 | larsd | pamaury, hm... it's not about Xduoo in particular I'd say... but I suppose that it should be possible to set the button-combination somewhere in the source code no? Before, I used a Sansa Fuze and it worked fine, when something broke I had to remap some buttons... That's why I am supposing I should be able to change it somehow... |
| 19:53:12 | larsd | Though I'm not sure how the booting of rockbox works... so yeah, I have no idea myself :P |
| 19:53:12 | pamaury | larsd: dualboot is very device specific |
| 19:53:21 | larsd | Ah, I see |
| 19:53:34 | pamaury | I can try to have a quick look at how the port is done, wait a minute |
| 19:53:36 | __builtin | look for the bootloader source somewhere |
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| 19:53:57 | larsd | it's on github... |
| 19:54:20 | larsd | https://github.com/xvortex/rockbox |
| 19:55:56 | larsd | I was randomly looking at the firmware files of mips/jz47xx but seems like I haven't found what actually plays a role in booting... |
| 19:57:08 | * | __builtin can't finds bootloader/xduoox3.c |
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| 19:57:37 | pamaury | dualboot does not seem to be done in bootloaders/xduoox3c.c |
| 19:57:55 | __builtin | that's the problem though |
| 19:58:37 | __builtin | out of curiosity, has anyone contacted this "Vortex" about merging their work into master? |
| 19:59:29 | pamaury | yes |
| 19:59:51 | __builtin | what was the result? |
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| 20:01:32 | pamaury | basically he doesn't want to maintain the code and I won't merge it as is because there is a bunch of copy paste from random ingenic code that is both super ugly and of dubious licence |
| 20:04:30 | pamaury | I think dualboot patching is done in the update-to-rockbox.zip but I can't download it |
| 20:05:25 | __builtin | odd |
| 20:05:55 | larsd | ah hm... indeed, for now, I used their "easy" install method... didn't try to compile the stuff myself, nor bootloader |
| 20:06:33 | __builtin | larsd: do you have that file? |
| 20:06:50 | larsd | though there is a rockbox.bin generated in my built of their git... |
| 20:06:56 | larsd | yes, I have... |
| 20:07:44 | __builtin | wait a second |
| 20:09:05 | pamaury | I didn't study how the xduoo x3 boot process works but the obvious solution is to dualboot in uboot |
| 20:09:17 | pamaury | (since the OF is linux based) |
| 20:10:14 | * | __builtin is downloading the other file from mega now |
| 20:10:37 | __builtin | but it seems to have negative progress: 6% to 5% ?! |
| 20:11:40 | larsd | I can also upload it somehwere... |
| 20:12:35 | __builtin | let me see if this works first |
| 20:13:13 | larsd | ok |
| 20:14:41 | larsd | well, in case it doesn't work https://wolke.sumpi.org/s/QeOZFqM1ZVQYfAl |
| 20:17:48 | __builtin | darn, all binaries and no source |
| 20:18:53 | pamaury | one of the other reason I don't like it, there is doc about how he did things |
| 20:18:59 | pamaury | *no doc |
| 20:19:02 | larsd | Maybe I should ask for their kernel source and config? |
| 20:19:36 | __builtin | and winblows binaries, too :( |
| 20:19:55 | pamaury | well I sent them an email without luck. Vortex (who did the port) said he managed to contact xduoo engineers |
| 20:20:52 | __builtin | so yeah, larsd, it seems unlikely that you'll be able to modify that behavior at the moment |
| 20:21:06 | pamaury | try to contact him directly |
| 20:21:16 | larsd | I see, well, seems a bit intransparent then... as Rockbox works to me, I can live with it, just thought it would be sufficiently quick and easy... |
| 20:21:47 | larsd | Thank you for your help though :) and for developing and maintaining Rockbox :) |
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| 21:00:41 | __builtin | this should fix a little bug with puzzles rendering |
| 21:00:51 | __builtin | if it doesn't break anything... |
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| 21:03:43 | * | __builtin isn't sure if he should keep all of the files that aren't specific to rockbox around in the source directory |
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| 21:10:48 | __builtin | I mean, they don't do anything... |
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| 21:14:48 | __builtin | wow the build cluster has been slow lately |
| 21:23:38 | pamaury | well apparently I lost a build client |
| 21:25:07 | pamaury | also petur's client disappeared |
| 21:32:18 | pamaury | is it me or gerrit is super slow |
| 21:32:47 | __builtin | not just you |
| 21:32:54 | __builtin | (though everything's slow for me) |
| 21:34:01 | __builtin | but yeah, it seems to be slower than normal |
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| 22:31:53 | lebellium | pamaury: still busy? |
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| 22:37:45 | pamaury | lebellium: yes and no, depends for what ;) also soon to bed |
| 22:40:20 | lebellium | if you have some things to try out on NWZ-A15 (like changing the region code/sound pressure or such) |
| 22:40:36 | lebellium | I'm still on holidays tomorrow and the day after so I'll have some time |
| 22:45:15 | pamaury | someone successfully changed the sound pressure of a NW-A25 |
| 22:46:45 | lebellium | was on the IRC? Didn't read that |
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| 22:55:04 | pamaury | no he sent me an email |
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| 23:05:32 | lebellium | well it seems that there is no volume cap anymore on "recent" walkman |
| 23:05:34 | lebellium | http://www.sony-europe.com/support/emanual/NWZ-E583/HG/EN/contents/TP0000067716.html |
| 23:05:44 | lebellium | it's just a warning |
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| 23:07:05 | pamaury | I don't know, to be honest I don't really care |
| 23:07:36 | pamaury | My tool allows one to change the setting associated with it, what people do with that is not my problem ;) |
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