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#rockbox log for 2017-01-04

00:02:54chrisjjpamaury: Do you intend to support ZEN native NAND format, allowing dual boot?
00:07:36chrisjjlebellium: Thanks. I've amended https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/compare/Main/BuyersGuide?rev1=88;rev2=89 for Sansa Fuze v2, Sansa Clip+.
00:16:16pamaurychrisjj: most probably not
00:17:07pamaurythe only thing that could potentially be done, iirc, is to split the OF user section into two: one for OF (using OF format) and one for rockbox.
00:17:34pamaurybut the OF could only use its partition and rockbox its, some every music file would have to be duplicated
00:22:01chrisjjWould that need a custom partitioning program?
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00:24:09pamauryyes, which would have to be implemented in the bootloader, so not super user friendly
00:24:30pamauryand that's assuming the OF does not complain about this of course, which needs to be tested
00:24:46pamaury(Creative uses a completely custom partition table format)
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00:36:47[Saint]create_ssh ()
00:36:48[Saint]{
00:36:48[Saint] ssh-keygen -b 4096 -v -C "$(whoami)@$(hostname) $(date +"%F-%T (%A %B %d %Y %H:%M %Z %z)")"
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00:36:52[Saint]shit, sorry.
00:37:07chrisjjOK. Sounds not worth the effort. How about dual boot using external memory?
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00:38:20chrisjjlebellium: I added Sansa Clip Zip https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/compare/Main/BuyersGuide?rev1=88;rev2=89 . If you know the RB battery life (sic), please add it.
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00:47:34pamaurychrisjj: that would mean putting rockbox on the external SD all the time. Also rockbox would not be able to use the internal storage. That's a possibility but I feel it's a bit of a shame
00:47:58pamaurybut I don't have a strong opinion
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00:58:35pamauryyet another possibility is to:
00:58:35pamaury1) have rockox always boot from SD card
00:58:35pamaury2) but be able to use internal storage if it is formated as FAT
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00:59:14*pamaury goes to bed and will think about it
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01:26:22chrisjj"rockbox on the external SD all the time" I think this is definitely preferable to not being able to dual boot at all.
01:34:23[Saint]chrisjj: we should have runtime tables for most targets on the runtime comparison wiki.
01:34:56[Saint]https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaRuntime
01:36:21[Saint]with git head these days, assuming good battery health, you're looking at around 20~22h
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02:22:47chrisjj"rockbox would not be able to use the internal storage." Not much of a problem. Most ZENs are 8Gb, the card slot is rarely used (because of poor OF support) and an additional 8Gb card for RB costs only £5e.
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02:46:38chrisjj[Saint]: Thanks. I've added the Sansa Clip Zip RB runtime to the Buyer's Guide.
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02:49:32chrisjjInteresting to see RB 19h 55min, OF 7h 45min. Is the OF figure really that low? For ZEN, the RB and OF figures are similar.
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10:40:38pamaurychrisjj: I will into that then. I'd like to get more opinions on that in the forum before
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12:08:49lebellium_z3cpamaury: A user tried scsitool dest_tool on nw-wm1a and zx2 and it says "unknown model".
12:09:26pamaury_lebellium_z3c: you have wm1a and zx2 ? :-o
12:09:42lebellium_z3cZX2 is android-based so I assume it can't work? WM1 is the newest one
12:09:51pamaury_ZX2 will not be supported
12:10:00lebellium_z3cI don't but on my French forum there are some users
12:10:12pamaury_for wm1, I need either a firmware upgrade or to extract firmware, wait a minute please
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12:12:01pamaury_lebellium_z3c: there is a firmware update available, I'll have a quick look and update the tool
12:12:08lebellium_z3cNice :)
12:13:23lebellium_z3cMaybe look at new A30 too
12:16:54pamaury_sure
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12:40:00chrisjjpamaury: re your ZEN "have rockox always boot from SD card but be able to use internal storage if it is formated as FAT" https://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20170104#00:58:35
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12:43:34chrisjj... how would the user receive the option of formatting the internal storage as FAT?
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13:08:14pamaurychrisjj: rockbox would export two drivers on USB: SD card and internal. Internal would use the custom Creative OS but if the user reformats (using any software) to FAT, rockbox can use it
13:08:33pamaury*drives
13:09:18pamauryso basically the same situation as now, except that rockbox can always boot because it boots from SD card, so the user as the option to leave the internal storage alone for the OF
13:09:25pamaury*has
13:14:17pamaury_lebellium (logs): I have some bad news, I can't crack the key of the nw-wm1, I will need someone to get it from the device, I'll give your instructions when you are online
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13:25:34lebellium_z3cpamaury: got it :( Is it easy to do? I mean can I just copy/paste your instructions or should the user come here?
13:27:42lebellium_z3cpamaury_: *
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13:33:59pamaury_lebellium_z3c: it should be simple, just I will put the code on gerrit and tell you what command to run. Do you usually compile things for those users ?
13:36:07lebellium_z3cI can compile for him if needed. But would that help since I don't have the device?
13:36:46lebellium_z3cHe set up his own RB environment to try the scsitool
13:36:57lebellium_z3cSo he should be able to run some commands too
13:37:00pamaury_potentially because it will need getting some code from gerrit, makes it slightly more complicated, but please wait 5/10 minute, I'm testing the code
13:37:02pamaury_ok
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13:50:28pamaury_lebellium_z3c: instructions:
13:50:28pamaury_1) get g#1424
13:50:28pamaury_2) go to utils/nwztools/scsitools/
13:50:28DBUGEnqueued KICK pamaury_
13:50:28pamaury_3) make
13:50:29pamaury_4) sudo ./scsitool -s nw-a30 /dev/sdX get_dnk_nvp kas (for NW-A30, replace sdX by drive)
13:50:29fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #1424 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1424 : 3Initial commit for the Sony NWZ linux port and NWZ-E460 (WIP) by Amaury Pouly
13:50:31pamaury_4) sudo ./scsitool -s nw-wm1 /dev/sdX get_dnk_nvp kas (for NW-WM1, replace sdX by drive)
13:50:33pamaury_send me the resulting output
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13:53:02pamaury_lebellium_z3c: I will try to widen the search for the key, but it may take some time since is pseudo brute force
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13:57:32lebellium_z3cpamaury_: thanks. I'll give the instructions for WM1. I don't know any A30 user but that may come
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14:05:26BilgusIn RB on devices with remote screens, Do menus show up on the remotes or are they strictly for playback controls/data? Alse, are they typically charcell or is bmp common?
14:08:59gevaertsI think all supported LCD remotes are bitmap, but I'm not 100% sure
14:12:45gevaertsFor the menus, I don't actually know...
14:13:15gevaertsOf course there's also the iaudio m3, where the remote is the only display and is therefore treated as the main lcd
14:13:50GodEaterI seem to recall the menu was available on the iRiver 140 remotes.
14:14:03GodEaterI've long since lost track of the remote for mine though, so couldn't swear to it.
14:14:30Bilgusk, thanks
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14:41:17pixelmaOn bitmap remotes menu is available, even some plugins are. There are two (I believe) supported remote without display at all (for the Archoses with HD and IIRC there's also a simple type of remote for the Irivers which is screenless). There's also the M:Robe 100's remote which has a small monochrome bitmap display and a few charcell icons - don't know if these are supported though. The other Iriver remotes are monochrome bitmap displays, the
14:41:18pixelmaIaudio remote has a greyscale bitmap display
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14:42:59pixelmaoh, and there's also the Gigabeat remote, again without display
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15:19:46chrisjjSeems like 'secondary display' is the term more appropriate than remote that may or may not have a display that may or may not be additional to a main display.
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15:56:48pixelmahuh? Where's the "secondary display" if the remote has none, and even if the head unit has none? Why should this be a better term and where should this be used? I'm not sure though if your answer would help me understand this better, judged by the things I've read from you here so far
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15:58:34pixelmaall of them are used to remotely control the main player though, hence remote (control)
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19:18:59chrisjjpixelma: "Where's the "secondary display" if the remote has none" There's none. "and even if the head unit has none" There's none.
19:20:19chrisjj"Why should this be a better term" Because "In RB on devices with remote screens, Do menus show up on the remotes" is really asking "In RB on devices with secondary screens, Do menus show up on the secondary", I think.
19:39:49pamaurychrisjj: would you mind posting on the ZEN and ZEN X-Fi threads your proposal to always boot from SD card and make internal storage optional ?
19:40:38pamauryon our forums and other forums if there is more activity elsewhere that you are aware of
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20:06:59chrisjjpamaury: Sure, will do. We'd get more interest I think if the LDC-fixed ZEN went official, in RB Daily Builds.
20:19:53pamaurychrisjj: it affects mostly the bootloader though, which means one needs to update the BL, a daily build is not enough, but I get your point
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20:58:04lebelliumpamaury: the user couldn't apply the patch (around 17:00)
20:58:08lebellium branch refs/changes/24/1424/15 -> FETCH_HEAD
20:58:09lebellium error : could not apply 639a7aa… Initial commit for the NWZ linux and NWZ-E460 (WIP)
20:58:11lebellium hint : after resolving the conflicts, mark the corrected paths
20:58:12lebellium hint: with ‘git add<paths>’ or ‘git rm <paths>’
20:58:14lebellium hint: and commit the result with ‘git commit’
20:58:43lebelliumthen try again later (20:00) and it worked
20:58:47lebelliumbut gave this message:
20:58:55lebelliumUser forced series, auto-detection disabled
20:58:57lebelliummodel: Unknown
20:58:58lebelliumSeries: NW-WM1 Series
20:59:00lebelliumDevice didn't send the expected amount of data
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21:01:22lebelliumI'm not sure he did some "git pull −−rebase" bedore. He probably tried to apply the patch on top of this trunk dated yersterday
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21:03:55pamaurylebellium: I made some changes, it's now in the trunk
21:04:01pamauryah that's bad
21:04:13pamauryit means they might have changed the key and algorithm :-/
21:05:11pamauryor maybe the firmware format is completely different
21:06:40lebelliumI noticed they use a more recent linux kernel (3.x.x instead of 2.6.x)
21:06:57pamaurythat's not the first device to do that
21:07:17pamaurythis afternoon I tried to brute force all alphanumeric passwords for the upgrade and it didn't work, the format must be different
21:07:34pamauryit might still be possible to change the destination using scsitool
21:07:44pamauryusing the usual command but adding -s nw-wm1
21:10:09lebelliumwould "get" work or only "set"?
21:11:05pamauryboth, assuming sony still uses the same interface for the wm1
21:11:30pamauryI would say first do get, see if the result made sense, and then try set if it does
21:12:00lebelliumso
21:12:02lebelliumsudo ./scsitool -s nw-wm1 /dev/sdX dest_tool get
21:12:03lebellium?
21:12:04pamauryalso it means that if we want rockbox on the wm1, we'll need to dump the flash directly to find what they changed in the encryption
21:12:09pamauryyes
21:13:56lebelliumI can ask him to dump the flash too
21:14:05pamaurycan he do that ?
21:14:32lebelliumI mean, he can follow good instructions like I do :P
21:15:14lebelliumwe did that for my A850
21:15:25lebelliummaybe I can find the IRC logs
21:17:47pamauryno I mean, an actual dump, removing the flash physically
21:17:51lebelliumah!
21:17:55pamaurythat how I figured out the encryption in the first place
21:18:04pamaurya software dumps requires to know that already!!
21:18:11lebelliumindeed that's too much asked ^^
21:18:39lebelliumI don't see anyone doing that on a €1000 device apart you :p
21:18:40pamaurybluebrother: are you there ?
21:19:12pamaurylebellium: I'll send you another command to try on that wm1, I still have ideas
21:19:34lebelliumok
21:19:41pamauryis the guy really responsive or can that wait until tomorrow ?
21:20:28lebelliumThat can wait til tomorrow. I'll first ask him to try "get" with -s nw-wm1 just in case
21:21:48lebelliumand also maybe make a "git reset −−hard origin/master" then "git pull −−rebase" to be sure he has the right sources
21:22:04pamauryyes
21:22:17lebelliumyou confirm the patch is not needed anymore?
21:22:22pamauryyes
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21:53:34lebelliumpamaury: do you still need confirmed KAS for some models like NWZ-A10 or what you get from firmware is enough?
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22:01:26pamaurylebellium: yes, confirming A10 would be nice
22:01:29pamauryA20 as well
22:01:46lebelliumModel: NWZ-A15
22:01:48lebelliumSeries: NWZ-A10 Series
22:01:49lebelliumkas:
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22:01:56lebellium 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
22:01:57lebelliumfor A20 give me some money, and I buy it :D
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22:08:51pamaurythanks
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23:40:22__builtinhello funman
23:40:24__builtinfulon:
23:40:27__builtinsorry funman
23:40:46fulonhey, hello __builtin :)
23:41:30__builtinwhat was it that you were wanting to do again?
23:42:10fulonhas anyone extracted firmware from unbranded chinese mp3? Vendor 0xe2b7 Product 0x0811
23:43:34*__builtin isn't sure
23:44:16fulonI would like to help people on loading code into unbranded highly available cheap devices so they can play with and help on free software projects porting, like rockbox and s1mp3 :) And learn a lot in the process
23:46:02__builtinhttps://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PortingHowTo would probably be a good place to start
23:46:21__builtinbah, not that one actualluy
23:46:37__builtinhttps://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort
23:48:04fulonthanks! :) Yes, I think I will need to take this one apart so I can check out the chip and look for jtag or something. No firmware tool is finding it so far
23:53:22__builtinbe warned that an issue with porting to such an obscure device is that it could be enormously difficult to find any more of the devices
23:54:05fulonI know. I was hoping for a known chip at first. :/
23:54:16__builtinhave you disassembled it yet?
23:54:33fulonnot yet, trying to find similar devices from the usb vendor and product id
23:58:41fulonfound one. "aitendo mp3". Looks like a dev board or something. using a chip with JL (or pi) then AB1244H. Will check against mine.

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