| 00:03:12 | Mihail | wodz was here today? I have g#1469 for him :) |
| 00:03:14 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #1469 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1469 : sd-as3525v2: simplify logic and cleanup by Mihail Zenkov |
| 00:06:31 | saratoga | Mihail: i googled a bit and I think that is a mistake, last one should be as3543 |
| 00:06:54 | saratoga | i have that from AMS, but they've since disclosed it anyway |
| 00:08:48 | Mihail | possible you right |
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| 00:17:00 | lebellium | pamaury_: are you sure about the command? The result seems to be the list of devices |
| 00:17:31 | lebellium | http://pastie.org/private/azk9uxva5jv2h1lzp64wq |
| 00:17:34 | lebellium | is that what you wanted? |
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| 00:19:58 | pamaury_ | lebellium: sorry, there is a typo, it's nw-wm1 |
| 00:20:00 | pamaury_ | and not nwz-wm1 |
| 00:20:06 | lebellium | oops |
| 00:20:12 | lebellium | I could have seen it myself |
| 00:20:29 | pamaury_ | and the tool print an error message saying this model does not exists... |
| 00:20:59 | lebellium | and when you wrote "sdc" you meant sdX as usual? |
| 00:23:16 | pamaury_ | yes |
| 00:23:44 | lebellium | there is no error message with the typo |
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| 00:28:36 | pamaury_ | I have one: |
| 00:28:36 | pamaury_ | User forced series, auto-detection disabled |
| 00:28:36 | pamaury_ | Unrecognized series 'nwz-wm1' |
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| 00:28:36 | pamaury_ | Series list: |
| 00:28:37 | pamaury_ | .... |
| 00:29:39 | lebellium | oh sorry |
| 00:29:50 | lebellium | didn't see what was on top of the list |
| 00:30:22 | pamaury_ | anyway, I'm going to bed |
| 00:31:24 | lebellium | Ok |
| 00:31:28 | lebellium | read the logs for the model ID |
| 00:31:44 | lebellium | if the user replies still today |
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| 00:45:09 | lebellium | finally got the ZX100 service manual! revision 1.3, that was a tough one |
| 00:45:16 | lebellium | https://docs.sony.com/release/MDSM/989621204_SM.pdf |
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| 00:56:37 | lebellium | pamaury_ WM1A mid |
| 00:56:40 | lebellium | 07 00 00 20 31 32 38 47 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ... 128G........ |
| 00:56:42 | lebellium | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ |
| 00:56:43 | lebellium | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ |
| 00:56:45 | lebellium | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ............ |
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| 04:21:27 | fulon | have you ever heard of a mp4 player that responds to usb raw scsi commands such as "f5 41 50 49 58 b3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00"? This is f5 (opcode) APIX (ascii in hex) [command] |
| 04:23:58 | [Saint] | by 'mp4' player, you mean digital audio players in genreal presumably? |
| 04:24:11 | fulon | its an Ali Corp m7101a, sorry |
| 04:26:05 | [Saint] | Oh. I see. One of those cheap Chinese generic whitelabel reference desgn things. |
| 04:26:08 | [Saint] | Gotcha. |
| 04:26:12 | fulon | its totally bricked, the usb firmware tool cant format the NAND and I dont have a backup firmware, but I got curious about this weird firmware update protocol. |
| 04:26:14 | saratoga | google says that chip is a power management controller |
| 04:26:16 | fulon | yes :) |
| 04:26:48 | [Saint] | You probably want myMPxPlayer.org or so I would think. This thing hasn't even close to the resources to run Rockbox. |
| 04:26:58 | [Saint] | Or is your question more general? |
| 04:27:12 | fulon | I know it cant, I am trying to mess with its MCU |
| 04:27:15 | fulon | lol |
| 04:27:17 | [Saint] | Ah. |
| 04:27:38 | fulon | saratoga: look for ali m5661, its previous version |
| 04:27:39 | saratoga | i don't think that ALI chip is the MCU |
| 04:27:51 | fulon | there is anothe ci m7101 for power management, but this one isnt |
| 04:28:54 | fulon | saratoga: here you can find the firmware tools, and they all refer to it as m7101 or m710x http://www.usbdev.ru/files/ali/ |
| 04:29:29 | [Saint] | presumably you've poked at it with MPtool also? |
| 04:29:54 | fulon | yes, and pressed the wrong button, erasing the broken corrupted original firmware |
| 04:30:02 | saratoga | funny that a company would reuse an IC name |
| 04:30:04 | fulon | this mp4 never worked for real. I used it as pendrive |
| 04:30:53 | [Saint] | man it's been a long time since i played with these horrid little s1mp3 whitelable things. |
| 04:31:02 | fulon | I was just wondering how awesome this is. I had it on my drawer. Its a z80 with screen, nand flash and buttons, almos a retro computing gadget. |
| 04:31:04 | [Saint] | seems like nothing has changed in the community at all. |
| 04:31:12 | [Saint] | mildly depressing, and also very cute. |
| 04:31:39 | fulon | lol |
| 04:32:37 | fulon | I am not a electrical engineer, but I decided to learn firmware hacking and electronics through whitelabel weird hardware that people abandon here |
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| 11:58:29 | lebellium | pamaury_: got the mid for WM1? I found a A35 user who apparently has a Japanese version. He wants to switch to english UI :) |
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| 12:06:04 | pamaury_ | lebellium: yes |
| 12:06:31 | pamaury_ | you could ask the A35 user to get the kas and mid ? |
| 12:07:39 | lebellium | yes, but I think the 1st challenge for him will be getting a Rockbox environment :P |
| 12:08:00 | lebellium | the windows version of the tool will definitely help when ready |
| 12:09:05 | pamaury_ | lebellium: it's almost ready :) |
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| 12:12:39 | lebellium | when you start the wiki page for scsitool, I'll probably try to make a spreadsheet with all possible destinations, their meaning and differences (volume, language, FM range) |
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| 12:24:26 | pamaury_ | the problem with windows is that I don't know how to reliably switch to MSC and not mtp |
| 12:25:44 | lebellium | E580 and A10 connect to MSC |
| 12:25:51 | lebellium | no MTP anymore on recent NWZ |
| 12:26:58 | pamaury_ | my E460 connects in MTP though |
| 12:30:12 | lebellium | wanted to check on my E360 but even from OF, you get the Rockbox bootloader when plugging the USB cable |
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| 12:32:01 | pamaury_ | lebellium: you need to hold back when plugging usb |
| 12:32:54 | lebellium | ah yes |
| 12:32:56 | lebellium | and it's MSC |
| 12:33:23 | lebellium | but maybe because back to the time I made the change in the devices manager |
| 12:33:41 | lebellium | IIRC on the older NWZ you could easily switch from MTP to MSC driver in the devices manager |
| 12:34:19 | funman | I also think AS3534 was a typo |
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| 13:06:56 | funman | i remember 2 datasheets, as3531 which was absolutely unrelated to the amsv2, and as3543 which as an evolution of as3514 |
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| 13:21:45 | pamaury_ | I hate the sony mtp/msc automagic, it messes up when running windows in a VM |
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| 13:31:36 | pamaury | lebellium: E580 is detected as MTP on my windows |
| 13:32:54 | pamaury | but the trick to update the driver works |
| 13:34:05 | lebellium | is it possible that if you do it once for a device, it works for all the Sony player you connect alter? |
| 13:34:25 | lebellium | because I didn't update the driver for E580 or A10 |
| 13:34:31 | lebellium | later* |
| 13:35:18 | lebellium | But I did it for sure for E360 or S540 or S610 |
| 13:35:39 | Mihail | funman: as3531 looks like as3525 + power management as in as3543 + some more multimedia blocks, so as3531 more close to AMSv2 then just as3525 |
| 13:36:23 | pamaury | lebellium: no idea |
| 13:37:14 | lebellium | I can check. I have my E360 currently connected as MSC. I'll switch it to MTP. And see what happens when I connect the E580 later |
| 13:39:08 | pamaury | since they use different usb ids, I would be surprised that they interact |
| 13:40:20 | pamaury | for me it doesn't work, I have to reinstall each of them |
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| 13:47:07 | lebellium | you're right. I switched back my S610 to MTP but the E580 still connects to MSC |
| 13:47:34 | lebellium | but I swear I didn't do anything to get MSC on E580, it was like that right out the box |
| 13:47:45 | lebellium | I use Windows 7 natively (no VM) |
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| 16:15:31 | pamaury | lebellium: I have scsitool working on windows |
| 16:15:39 | pamaury | I will push it to gerrit and upload the binary |
| 16:18:23 | pamaury | https://www.dropbox.com/s/1q7qvrdwlyo152u/scsitool-nwz.exe?dl=0 |
| 16:18:30 | pamaury | I will try to add this to the wiki |
| 16:23:54 | lebellium | great |
| 16:24:13 | lebellium | does it include the relaxed mode? |
| 16:24:21 | pamaury | yes |
| 16:26:23 | lebellium | is it possible to make some versioning? Because I already have a windows binary dated 2013 and if you still update it in the future... |
| 16:29:06 | pamaury | hum, the problem with versions is that it's very easy to forgot to update them. You want just the tool to be able to print a version number (like Version 2) that increases over time ? |
| 16:29:24 | pamaury | or a version number for the dropbox upload ? |
| 16:29:58 | lebellium | if you can add a version number or date to the file name/download link |
| 16:30:16 | pamaury | ok |
| 16:34:30 | lebellium | pamaury: I don't know if you noticed but the mid given by the user is exactly what is written in the service manual page 8 |
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| 16:40:59 | pamaury | no, I didn't know the service manuals listed the Model ID |
| 16:42:07 | lebellium | so now you have the modelID for both WM1A and WM1Z :) |
| 16:42:46 | pamaury | because I think most service manuals don't list it |
| 16:42:52 | funman | Mihail: iirc the registers locations did not match, but perhaps they could've used as3531 with as3525 register locations? |
| 16:44:28 | CraftyClown | Hi all, I'm a seeking a little help on a quest to remove the volume limitations on a European Sony Walkman. I have found some instructions on a French forum and I have managed to get a Dev version of Rockbox running in a Windows virtual machine, but now I am a little stuck :) Any advice or a suggestion as to who I can speak to? |
| 16:45:17 | pamaury | CraftyClown: ah, you will be our new victim to try the tool I just released :-p It is supposed to work on windows actually |
| 16:45:40 | lebellium | CraftyClown: is that your nickname on TN? |
| 16:46:01 | CraftyClown | No, I've come from Head-Fi :D |
| 16:46:18 | CraftyClown | More than happy to be a guinea pig :) |
| 16:46:53 | pamaury | CraftyClown: download https://www.dropbox.com/s/1q7qvrdwlyo152u/scsitool-nwz-v2.exe?dl=0 |
| 16:46:56 | pamaury | (in windows) |
| 16:48:18 | CraftyClown | Ok, it's downloaded |
| 16:48:49 | pamaury | ok, now you need to run an administrator shell, do you know how to do that ? |
| 16:49:35 | pamaury | if not: click on the start button, start typing "cmd", it should show "Command Prompt", right-click on it and select "Run as Admin" |
| 16:49:36 | CraftyClown | Yes, I think so. Command prompt as admin? |
| 16:49:44 | pamaury | yes |
| 16:50:21 | pamaury | now you must use the "cd" command to move to the directory where you downloaded the tool |
| 16:51:11 | CraftyClown | Ok I'm in there |
| 16:51:20 | pamaury | for example if you download the tool to "C:\users\blabla\Downloads", then type "cd C:\users\blabla\Downloads" |
| 16:51:33 | pamaury | ok great, then plug your device and make sure it is in *mass storage* mode |
| 16:51:41 | CraftyClown | yep |
| 16:52:12 | pamaury | ok, assuming the drive letter is F: run: |
| 16:52:12 | pamaury | scsitool_nwz_v2.exe F: dest_tool get |
| 16:52:44 | pamaury | ah sorry, |
| 16:52:44 | pamaury | scsitool-nwz-v2.exe F: dest_tool get |
| 16:53:25 | lebellium | working for me :) |
| 16:53:41 | lebellium | too easy |
| 16:53:46 | lebellium | ! |
| 16:53:59 | CraftyClown | I got your device is not supported |
| 16:54:06 | pamaury | CraftyClown: what is your device ? |
| 16:54:14 | CraftyClown | WM1A |
| 16:54:36 | pamaury | ah, I haven't added the ID to the list, then you can run this command: |
| 16:54:53 | pamaury | scsitool-nwz-v2.exe -s nw-wm1 F: dest_tool get |
| 16:55:15 | lebellium | he doesn't need relaxed mode as well? |
| 16:55:26 | CraftyClown | User forced series, auto-detection disabled Model: Unknown Series: NW-WM1 Series Device didn't send the expected amount of data |
| 16:55:32 | lebellium | hehe |
| 16:56:06 | pamaury | ah yes you need relaxed mode: |
| 16:56:06 | pamaury | scsitool-nwz-v2.exe -r -s nw-wm1 F: dest_tool get |
| 16:56:45 | CraftyClown | User forced series, auto-detection disabled Model: Unknown Series: NW-WM1 Series Destination: CEW2 (103) Sound pressure: 0 (off) |
| 16:57:22 | pamaury | ok, so CEW2 is the destination code. Apparently if you switch to another one, you can get an extra High Gain setting |
| 16:57:28 | lebellium | yes |
| 16:57:29 | pamaury | lebellium: which destination was that ? |
| 16:57:49 | lebellium | it was CN (China) but the high gain setting may be included in other codes as well |
| 16:58:22 | pamaury | lebellium: do you know the different between CEW and CEW2 ? |
| 16:59:25 | pamaury | CraftyClown: to change it, run: |
| 16:59:26 | pamaury | scsitool-nwz-v2.exe -r -s nw-wm1 F: dest_tool set XXXXXX off |
| 16:59:26 | pamaury | where XXXX is the destination. You can get the list by running: |
| 16:59:26 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK pamaury |
| 16:59:26 | pamaury | scsitool-nwz-v2.exe -r -s nw-wm1 F: dest_tool |
| 16:59:26 | pamaury | but I copy it for you: |
| 16:59:27 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 16:59:27 | pamaury | J U U2 U3 CA CEV CE7 CEW CEW2 CN KR E MX E2 MX3 TW |
| 16:59:34 | lebellium | according to the service manuals there is only one CEW (European (Including UK), East European and Korean models) |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:06 | CraftyClown | so I use CEW instead of xxxxx? |
| 17:00:11 | pamaury | yes |
| 17:00:12 | pamaury | well the destination code are a bit messy, I extracted them from a Sony tool but even Sony doesn't seem to agree on the names |
| 17:00:30 | lebellium | CraftyClown: no, CEW won't give you the high gain setting |
| 17:00:31 | pamaury | CraftyClown: after a destination change, you might need to reset all settings |
| 17:00:49 | pamaury | maybe U2 ? |
| 17:01:11 | lebellium | I use E2 on my E580 and A10 |
| 17:01:25 | lebellium | well, it's just a matter of trying :) |
| 17:01:34 | CraftyClown | So that would be scsitool-nwz-v2.exe -r -s nw-wm1 F: dest_tool set E2 off |
| 17:01:54 | lebellium | yes |
| 17:02:28 | CraftyClown | So does that single line of code add the gain and remove the volume cap? |
| 17:02:31 | lebellium | volume should be higher with high gain off and even higher with high gain on |
| 17:03:12 | lebellium | if standard volume is not higher or you don't get the high gain setting, try CN instead, that's what the user on the french forum used |
| 17:04:00 | CraftyClown | I got this with E2 User forced series, auto-detection disabled Model: Unknown Series: NW-WM1 Series |
| 17:04:32 | pamaury | then you are good to go, unplug usb, reset all setting and see if you now have the magic High Gain option |
| 17:04:55 | CraftyClown | A factory reset? |
| 17:05:32 | lebellium | yes, you need to reset the settings |
| 17:05:51 | CraftyClown | I'll give it a go now :D |
| 17:08:46 | pamaury | lebellium: I'm creating https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SonyNWDestTool |
| 17:09:13 | pamaury | mostly empty for now but if you can help me fill it / read it after I've written most of it that would be helpful |
| 17:09:21 | pamaury | we need to document the destination codes |
| 17:09:28 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 17:09:31 | lebellium | pamaury: sure, I'll help |
| 17:10:59 | lebellium | I just need to find out how to insert a table into the wiki |
| 17:13:03 | CraftyClown | Just waiting for my device to finish rebooting, but in the meantime guys, is this basically a region code we are changing to fool the deive into thinking it's in a non capped device? |
| 17:14:14 | pamaury | lebellium: there is some help when you edit a topic. Basically like this: |
| 17:14:14 | pamaury | | col1 line1 | col2 line 2 | |
| 17:14:14 | pamaury | | col1 line2 | col2 line2 | |
| 17:15:06 | pamaury | CraftyClown: in the past, Sony uses the second setting (SPS, sounds pressure) to decide whether to cap or not. But apparently the more recent device don't use SPS anymore and do *something* depending on the destination code. |
| 17:15:45 | pamaury | it's unclear to me if there is a general rule and how does that work, lebellium might now more, I just wrote the tool that can change it |
| 17:16:58 | CraftyClown | I see, so my previous destination code was CEW and that had the limitations, however hopefully this new code of E2 will not |
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| 17:19:45 | pamaury | lebellium: regarding instructions for windows, do you think users will know how to open a command prompt and switch to the directory ? Or maybe we should link to a .bat file that runs it ? |
| 17:19:51 | CraftyClown | Wooo Hoooo. We are uncapped :D |
| 17:20:22 | CraftyClown | Pamaury and Lebellium, thank you so much :D |
| 17:20:56 | lebellium | CraftyClown: great :) |
| 17:21:01 | pamaury | great :) |
| 17:21:17 | pamaury | CraftyClown: so what is different exactly ? |
| 17:21:38 | pamaury | do you have a wider volume range or is volume just higher or/and do you have an extra option ? |
| 17:21:38 | CraftyClown | I have the High gain option that was not there before |
| 17:21:58 | lebellium | pamaury: on the french forum I'm currently writing the instructions and explaining how to open the terminal in admin mode and how to switch to the directory. If it's well explained no problem. If you want to save lines, then maybe a .bat :P |
| 17:22:38 | pamaury | lebellium: can you write it on the wiki page ? |
| 17:22:45 | lebellium | sure |
| 17:22:55 | CraftyClown | Guys are you ok for me to start spreading the news on Head-Fi? I'm happy to explain it there |
| 17:23:00 | pamaury | Create a section called Windows |
| 17:23:15 | pamaury | and write the text, I'll move text around if needed |
| 17:23:34 | lebellium | CraftyClown: you can also wait and just link to the rockbox wiki when it's ready, as you want :) |
| 17:23:54 | pamaury | CraftyClown: please wait until we have some instructions written :) |
| 17:24:57 | CraftyClown | No problem. I'll give you time to get the page up. |
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| 17:35:56 | lebellium | pamaury_ : I'm writing the instructions now |
| 17:36:28 | lebellium | if there is some broken english, I'm sure someone will update it later :) |
| 17:40:28 | CraftyClown | I can help with any broken English if you like? The least I can do fellas :) |
| 17:40:55 | pamaury | lebellium: tell me when you are done so I can add more things about linux and download links |
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| 17:54:38 | lebellium | pamaury: done |
| 17:54:54 | lebellium | it looks like a draft but I'll improve it |
| 17:57:01 | pamaury | lebellium: ok, don't touch it anymore, let me add stuff ; |
| 17:57:03 | pamaury | ;) |
| 17:57:22 | lebellium | ok |
| 17:58:08 | lebellium | f*ck it didn't keep my line breaks |
| 17:58:16 | lebellium | it looks like shit for the moment :D |
| 17:59:30 | lebellium | I'll make it cleaner when you're done |
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| 18:01:43 | CraftyClown | It reads nice and clear guys |
| 18:02:47 | lebellium | wait before publishing it on head-fi, I f*cked up some copy & paste for WM1 |
| 18:03:19 | lebellium | ah I understood now |
| 18:03:32 | lebellium | the wiki didn't like my < and > |
| 18:03:55 | lebellium | <dest> and <sps> are gone |
| 18:04:56 | pamaury | that's because those are interpreted as HTML tags |
| 18:05:16 | pamaury | use < and > (I think that's the name) |
| 18:05:20 | pamaury | but wait until I'm done :-p |
| 18:05:43 | lebellium | sure I'm waiting. I won't break it more than it's already |
| 18:05:47 | lebellium | :^p |
| 18:06:38 | CraftyClown | No problem Lebellium. I'll be keeping an eye on this channel until you fellas are totally finished ;) |
| 18:18:42 | lebellium | I'm updating the destinations table meanwhile. But it's really a mess to understand since the destination codes of scsitool don't necessarily match with the ones in the service manuals (also differing from service manual to another) |
| 18:20:30 | pamaury | lebellium: beware that concurrent editing on the wiki is not very supported, I suggest that when you are done, copy paste *your table only*, reload the article, edit and paste your table. Also I've made a small change to the table header |
| 18:20:32 | pamaury | I'm almost done |
| 18:21:44 | lebellium | pamaury: I don't edit as long as you're doing it, as I told you. If you get a warning saying I'm doing so, it's just because I clicked on "edit" to copy & paster my table and work it locally |
| 18:23:49 | pamaury | lebellium: done |
| 18:23:59 | pamaury | still misses linux instructions but should be easy to |
| 18:24:00 | pamaury | add |
| 18:24:09 | pamaury | tell me what you think about the new formatting |
| 18:24:23 | pamaury | ah wait, small typo |
| 18:24:26 | lebellium | oh you already got a v3! |
| 18:24:43 | pamaury | yes, I added wm1a/z IDs |
| 18:24:57 | pamaury | g#1471 |
| 18:24:59 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #1471 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1471 : nwztools: add NW-WM1A/Z model IDs by Amaury Pouly |
| 18:25:09 | pamaury | let me just make a small edit and then it's all yours :-p |
| 18:25:12 | lebellium | ok |
| 18:25:35 | lebellium | so -r -s <model> is only needed for A30, not for WM1 anymore? |
| 18:25:53 | pamaury | yeah, in theory |
| 18:26:08 | pamaury | CraftyClown: could you download v3 and check if that works ? |
| 18:26:27 | CraftyClown | Of course. On it now |
| 18:27:16 | pamaury | just check with dest_tool get and without the "-s nw-wm1" |
| 18:27:29 | pamaury | it should recognize your device as WM1A |
| 18:28:02 | pamaury | lebellium: done, you edit go wild and edit :-p |
| 18:28:40 | pamaury | regarding destination codes |
| 18:28:42 | CraftyClown | So just this: scsitool-nwz-v2.exe -r F: dest_tool get Or can I drop the -r as well? |
| 18:28:50 | pamaury | you need the -r |
| 18:28:55 | pamaury | but you need the v3 of the tool :-p |
| 18:28:55 | CraftyClown | ok cool |
| 18:29:08 | pamaury | https://www.dropbox.com/s/8q2ucu596z59399/scsitool-nwz-v3.exe?dl=0 |
| 18:29:11 | CraftyClown | sorry, yes I have v3, just atypo |
| 18:29:32 | pamaury | lebellium: dest code: my understanding is that CEW, CEW2 etc are the same region with variants |
| 18:30:02 | lebellium | the problem is finding what changes exactly |
| 18:30:06 | pamaury | Sony seems to be inconsistent in its use of the variant, sometiems referring to CEW2 as CEW in manuals, maybe because each device is different |
| 18:30:24 | pamaury | it changes some default audio settings apparently |
| 18:30:28 | pamaury | like equalizer |
| 18:30:34 | CraftyClown | Looks good: Model: NW-WM1A Series: NW-WM1 Series Destination: E2 (206) Sound pressure: 0 (off) |
| 18:30:38 | pamaury | good :) |
| 18:30:45 | pamaury | let me find a manual where it's "explained" |
| 18:30:49 | lebellium | Yes I read that in the E470 service manual |
| 18:31:18 | lebellium | like "EQ: None; SP : Ouput Optimiser offé |
| 18:31:23 | pamaury | right |
| 18:32:22 | pamaury | lebellium: you could add some instructions on how to switch to MSC mode also ? |
| 18:32:34 | lebellium | the question is: is it safe to set a destination code not mentionned in the service manual |
| 18:33:02 | lebellium | I would say yes since I got CEW2 on a Japanese device, which was for sure not written in a service manual |
| 18:33:31 | pamaury | I guess yes |
| 18:33:45 | pamaury | since someone (you ?) managed to switch a japanese model to english :-p |
| 18:33:51 | pamaury | ah yes you |
| 18:34:33 | CraftyClown | What would be the downside to using just the two known working destinations, ie J for Japanese only and E2 for multi language? |
| 18:35:06 | pamaury | well there is the radio range as well |
| 18:35:39 | pamaury | we need to have lebellium try all codes on all its devices ;) |
| 18:35:56 | CraftyClown | Oh I see. Yes that makes sense |
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| 18:47:29 | CraftyClown | Does the chart still need updating or are all but the Japanese FM frequecies the same? |
| 18:48:25 | lebellium | I expect them to be all the same but I didn't check every destination code on my device yet :) |
| 18:48:49 | pamaury | lebellium: I think U is US |
| 18:49:16 | pamaury | since U/U2/U3/CA is all US basically (CA is just "U4" technically) |
| 18:49:28 | pamaury | so I expected U2/U3 to be other US variants |
| 18:49:31 | pamaury | like CEW and CEW2 |
| 18:50:23 | pamaury | CEW uis UK and and "AEP" (?) |
| 18:51:31 | pamaury | I wonder if E2 is the same as EE, ie East Europe |
| 18:51:52 | lebellium | well in the A20 service manual there is CEW = European (Including UK), East European and Korean models |
| 18:52:06 | lebellium | but in the meantime there is "KR" which obviously means Korea |
| 18:52:10 | lebellium | it's really a mess |
| 18:52:36 | lebellium | and if EE is East Europe, why is East Europe included in CEW |
| 18:52:38 | lebellium | I hate Sony |
| 18:53:33 | CraftyClown | Guys, the instructions still reference the original scsitool-nwz.exe rather than v3. You also have the -s in the code as well |
| 18:53:51 | pamaury | CEV is east european sometimes |
| 18:54:13 | pamaury | CraftyClown: it says to replace it with the name of the downloaded tool |
| 18:54:18 | pamaury | it's in RED! |
| 18:54:25 | lebellium | pamaury intentionnaly wrote scsitool-nwz.exe. But maybe I should write scsitool-nwz-vX instead? |
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| 18:54:43 | pamaury | if you think vX is clearer, go for it |
| 18:54:49 | CraftyClown | Oh yes :D |
| 18:54:58 | pamaury | We'll get questions from confused users in any case |
| 18:55:13 | lebellium | and I'll let the -s in the code. Otherwise I need to write 3 variants (standard, wm1 and a30) |
| 18:55:44 | lebellium | it doesn't hurt to let -s for wm1. That what I write only 2 instructions variants |
| 18:55:49 | lebellium | that way* |
| 18:56:26 | pamaury | lebellium: alternatively, you could either not mention -s at all, or put in an extra advanced section, or explain how to find what to put after -s |
| 18:56:34 | pamaury | since the tool can give the list of models it knows about |
| 18:56:53 | lebellium | If I don't mention -s at all, we'll get all the poor A30 users coming here :D |
| 18:56:54 | CraftyClown | Ah cool. I'm just anticipating the barrage of questions I will get on head-fi when I link to the page. Some people need spoon feeding :D |
| 18:57:48 | pamaury | lebellium: that's the goal |
| 18:57:52 | pamaury | to get the model IDs :D |
| 18:58:21 | pamaury | that's why I prefer that you don't mention -s and say that if users get "You device is unknown/unsupported", they come and ask us |
| 18:59:17 | pamaury | CraftyClown: just try (I know they won't listen but try anyway) to make them *link* to this wiki page and create fancy bundles with instructions that will end up wrong or outdated |
| 18:59:28 | pamaury | *not create fancy |
| 18:59:52 | lebellium | pamaury: got it |
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| 19:00:08 | pamaury | because I'm usually quite aggresive about my dropbox links. If I publish v4, I will remove the v3 upload |
| 19:00:29 | CraftyClown | Yes for sure, that makes sense |
| 19:01:02 | pamaury | lebellium: dest code are a complete mess indeed, they are completely inconsistent |
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| 19:07:41 | lebellium | edited |
| 19:08:33 | lebellium | I still need to explain the MTP -> MSC switch and progressively fulfil the table |
| 19:11:45 | pamaury | lebellium: avoid blank lines or unindented, it breaks the indentation in the bullet point list |
| 19:12:04 | pamaury | for example: |
| 19:12:04 | pamaury | If you get an error message like "Device didn't send the expected amount of data", please come to the [[https://www.rockbox.org/irc/][#rockbox IRC channel]] to discuss it with developers. |
| 19:12:04 | pamaury | -> |
| 19:12:04 | pamaury | If you get an error message like "Device didn't send the expected amount of data", please come to the [[https://www.rockbox.org/irc/][#rockbox IRC channel]] to discuss it with developers. |
| 19:12:18 | pamaury | use <br> if you want a new line |
| 19:12:58 | pamaury | also you can replace the commit g#1471 in the table by be68b6a |
| 19:12:59 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #1471 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1471 : nwztools: add NW-WM1A/Z model IDs by Amaury Pouly |
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| 19:18:12 | lebellium | pamaury: you mean I need to replace every blank line by <br> ? |
| 19:18:31 | pamaury | no, put <br> at the end of a line if you want to go to a new line |
| 19:18:44 | pamaury | ie: |
| 19:18:44 | pamaury | First line<br> |
| 19:18:44 | pamaury | Second line |
| 19:19:04 | pamaury | but indent them if you want to keep at in the bullet list: |
| 19:19:05 | pamaury | First Line<br> |
| 19:19:05 | pamaury | Second Line |
| 19:21:04 | lebellium | can you check it now and fix what's left? |
| 19:24:06 | pamaury | sure |
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| 19:25:54 | pamaury | fixed |
| 19:26:34 | pamaury | actually let me try something |
| 19:27:23 | pamaury | I've changed the instruction for -r and WM1, do you think it's better now ? |
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| 19:29:14 | lebellium | yes it's better |
| 19:29:28 | lebellium | I sometimes make things complicated for nothing :P |
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| 19:39:01 | CraftyClown | I'm I good to share yet gentlemen? |
| 19:40:14 | CraftyClown | *am I* |
| 19:41:22 | lebellium | still editing and improving it but yes you can, it's good enough |
| 19:42:11 | CraftyClown | Magic. Thanks again for all of your hard work fellas :D |
| 19:43:32 | lebellium | pamaury: I added a note about SPS |
| 19:43:42 | lebellium | I guess we need more users feedback about it |
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| 19:44:19 | pamaury | yeah |
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| 19:51:24 | pamaury | chrisjj (logs): I just realized there is a small problem on the ZEN about the internal storage vs sd card. If I keep the current "state", which means look at internal storage first and sd card next, if you select "Format all" in creative recovery menu, it will not reformat it very cleanly and the drive might still look like a valid FAT system althoug it's not. |
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| 20:37:29 | lebellium | CraftyClown: I read a bit the discussion on head-fi. FYI I still can play Atrac3 files on my NW-A850 with english UI |
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| 20:37:54 | lebellium | The ability to play Atrac3 files doesn't seem to come from the destination code but directly from the firmware |
| 20:38:19 | CraftyClown | Really? That's awesome! I'll update my post now |
| 20:39:05 | lebellium | I don't know for WM1 though since there is both a Japanese and EU/US version. |
| 20:39:20 | lebellium | I don't know if they share the same firmware |
| 20:39:33 | lebellium | for sure my A850 doesn't share the same firmware as worldwide A840 |
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| 20:41:21 | lebellium | these are 2 different models |
| 20:41:27 | lebellium | even though they look the same |
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| 21:17:26 | lebellium | CraftyClown: I just switched my E580 to Japan code and it still can't see my Atrac files. I guess that confirms it comes from the firmware |
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| 21:18:04 | lebellium | I once read somewhere that NW models can play Atrac while NWZ can't |
| 21:18:11 | CraftyClown | Thanks for the confirmation. Guess that answers that |
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| 21:33:05 | __builtin | ok, this ought to make "Untangle" work |
| 21:36:09 | Malte__ | Hello everyone, I just downloaded the destination and sound pressure tool for Sony Walkman products and want to turn off the volume-limit. (I own a ZX2) When I run cmd.exe as administrator and type in the code, I get the following error message: "The command "scsitool-nwz-v3.exe G" was not spelled correctly or could not be found". My command was: "scsitool-nwz-v3.exe G: dest_tool get" What a I doing wrong? |
| 21:36:50 | pamaury | Malte__: did you download the tool and change to the directory where you downloaded it ? |
| 21:37:43 | lebellium | pamaury: is it supposed to work with ZX2 (Android) anyway? |
| 21:37:54 | pamaury | lebellium: good point, I don't know |
| 21:38:34 | pamaury | I don't have any model id for ZX2 but that's worth a try |
| 21:38:45 | pamaury | Malte__: where did you download the tool (which directory) ? |
| 21:38:51 | Malte__ | The tool is on C |
| 21:39:18 | Malte__ | It's currently on my desktop |
| 21:40:06 | Malte__ | And I downloaded the version for windows. |
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| 21:40:53 | pamaury | Malte__: which windows version are you using ? |
| 21:43:21 | Malte__ | Windows 8.1, 64 bit |
| 21:44:54 | pamaury | Malte__: ok, so open an explorer window, and go to the directory where you downloaded the file. Next hold shift and right click in the folder, there should be an option (Open and command prompt): click it |
| 21:47:43 | pamaury | *Open a command prompt |
| 21:48:03 | pamaury | lebellium: actually I just realized that on my Win 10, I don't need admin privilege |
| 21:48:16 | pamaury | lebellium: can you confirm this or not on your computer ? |
| 21:48:44 | lebellium | pamaury: on windows 7? |
| 21:48:51 | pamaury | yes |
| 21:48:57 | pamaury | actually this page: |
| 21:48:57 | pamaury | https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff560519(v=vs.85).aspx |
| 21:48:59 | pamaury | says: |
| 21:49:07 | pamaury | Applications do not require administrative privileges to send a pass-through request to a device, but they must have read/write access to the device. |
| 21:49:47 | pamaury | so we could simplify the instructions, because on Windows >= 7, opening a command prompt is as easy as shift+right click in explorer and select "open command prompt" |
| 21:51:00 | lebellium | I confirm |
| 21:51:15 | pamaury | I will modify the wiki page then |
| 21:51:25 | lebellium | ok |
| 21:51:30 | Malte__ | I think I got it. |
| 21:55:00 | Malte__ | By which I mean that I have opened cmd.exe . Should I type in the code again? |
| 21:57:05 | Malte__ | It says that my device is not supported |
| 21:57:06 | pamaury | yes |
| 21:57:10 | pamaury | Malte__: type this command: |
| 21:57:29 | pamaury | scsitool-nwz-v3 -r -s nwz-zx2 dest_tool get |
| 21:57:48 | pamaury | We are not sure if the NWZ-ZX2 works or not, it's kind of a different device |
| 21:57:58 | lebellium | should be nw-zx2 |
| 21:58:45 | pamaury | lebellium: no because there is a typo in the list :-p |
| 21:58:53 | lebellium | aha |
| 21:58:54 | Malte__ | Neither works. "Cannot open device" |
| 21:59:11 | pamaury | Malte__: ah sorry, I forgot the drive |
| 21:59:19 | pamaury | scsitool-nwz-v3 -r -s nwz-zx2 H: dest_tool get |
| 21:59:29 | pamaury | (replace H: by the letter of your ZX2 drive) |
| 21:59:33 | CraftyClown | I would be surprised if the ZX2 works as it is android and all of the others and Sony's own os |
| 21:59:54 | pamaury | lebellium: can you check my new wording on how to open the command prompt on the wiki ? |
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| 22:00:22 | Malte__ | It seems to work |
| 22:00:29 | pamaury | Malte__: what does it print ? |
| 22:01:00 | Malte__ | Model: Unknown |
| 22:01:07 | Malte__ | Series: NWZX2 |
| 22:01:28 | Malte__ | Destination: Unknown (ffffffffff) |
| 22:01:57 | Malte__ | Sound pressure: 4294.......(on) |
| 22:02:14 | pamaury | hum, that looks wrongs |
| 22:03:02 | pamaury | Malte__: can you run this command: |
| 22:03:16 | pamaury | scsitool-nwz-v3 -r -s nwz-zx2 H: get_dnk_nvp mid |
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| 22:05:25 | Malte__ | I can run it. "User forced series, auto-detection disabled" |
| 22:05:34 | Malte__ | Model: Unknown |
| 22:05:47 | Malte__ | Series: NW-ZX2 |
| 22:05:59 | lebellium | pamaury: I guess you have to make "shift + right click" on the folder and not in the folder |
| 22:06:20 | Malte__ | and then there are many fs |
| 22:06:26 | pamaury | lebellium: well you have to right click in empty space basically. |
| 22:06:49 | Malte__ | Under the section "mid", that is |
| 22:06:56 | pamaury | or right-click on the folder that contains the file |
| 22:07:26 | pamaury | but on windows, it may not be obvious which directory is the parent of another one, since Microsoft is trying to hide the real paths |
| 22:07:45 | pamaury | Malte__: is there anything that is not ff ? especiallly at the beginning |
| 22:07:56 | lebellium | I don't have "Open command window here" when I right click in empty space inside a folder. I do have it when doing it on a folder. Windows 7 |
| 22:08:35 | Malte__ | Nope, just ff ff ff ff ff ... |
| 22:08:51 | pamaury | Malte__: then the ZX2 is not supported, it must use a different mecanism |
| 22:09:19 | Malte__ | Too bad, was really hoping to turn off the limit. Never mind. Thanks for your help, guys! |
| 22:09:25 | pamaury | lebellium: I suggest we remove ZX2 from the list then |
| 22:09:41 | pamaury | Malte__: there might be other ways, but you'll have to ask android people ;) |
| 22:09:56 | lebellium | I don't know why it was in :P You said since the beginnng that Android devices are not supported |
| 22:10:22 | pamaury | lebellium: well strangely the Sony website as a kernel for it that has a NVP driver |
| 22:10:34 | pamaury | and it even responds ! It just returns 0xff all the time... |
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| 22:11:39 | lebellium | but do you have F800, ZX100 and ZX1 tooN |
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| 22:18:27 | pamaury | lebellium: no |
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| 22:18:36 | lebellium | okay |
| 22:18:41 | pamaury | why ? |
| 22:18:58 | lebellium | because they are also Android-based |
| 22:19:40 | pamaury | actually it's strange because the nvp of the ZX2 has an entry not found on any other model |
| 22:19:50 | pamaury | I wonder why Sony went to such effort to just not use it |
| 22:21:06 | lebellium | strange indeed |
| 22:21:33 | pamaury | but this one is actually easy to hack I think, the firmware upgrade is just a zip |
| 22:22:31 | lebellium | anyway, what you wrote only work for Windows 8 and 10. For Windows 7 you necessarily need to click on the folder and not inside the folder. That would probably work for Win 8 and 10 too so I'd suggest to write instructions working for 3 OS instead of 2 |
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| 22:23:32 | pamaury | lebellium: ok, do you want to edit the wiki ? |
| 22:25:02 | lebellium | I don't know, it's not easy to explain that you have to go to the directory containing the tool but not enter it either, just stop before and right click on it \o/ |
| 22:25:19 | pamaury | yes, especially if you have it in a directory like Downloads |
| 22:25:41 | lebellium | oh |
| 22:25:49 | lebellium | right click work in Downloads |
| 22:25:58 | lebellium | what the hell |
| 22:27:30 | lebellium | Okay so it won't work in "Library\Documents\Sony Walkman" but it will in "D:\Users\Ludo\Documents\Sony Walkman" |
| 22:27:33 | lebellium | pfff -_- |
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| 22:31:46 | lebellium | I honestly don't know what is best to write. I got fooled by the Windows repath (Library) so other users will certainly be too |
| 22:34:30 | pamaury | lebellium: maybe it's best if we say "open a command prompt here" and use google to find out ? |
| 22:34:44 | pamaury | or give a .bat that opens a command prompt? That must be fesaible |
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| 22:35:47 | lebellium | well, what I wrote before "type cmd in the search bar" is quite easy. What is just boring is that you need to find the path of the directory and copy&paste it in the terminal |
| 22:36:50 | lebellium | or even better, windows + R -> type cmd |
| 22:36:56 | lebellium | and it runs it immediately |
| 22:37:14 | lebellium | that should work for any OS |
| 22:37:30 | lebellium | I mean Windows version |
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| 22:38:31 | lebellium | with a .bat, how do you get the scsitool location? |
| 22:39:02 | lebellium | if it only opens the terminal, it's quite useless |
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| 22:49:34 | pamaury | lebellium: find the location of the directory is very non-obvious in windows |
| 22:49:55 | lebellium | indeed |
| 22:49:59 | lebellium | :/ |
| 22:50:01 | pamaury | you put the .bat in the same directory as the tool and run it |
| 22:50:11 | pamaury | and it opens a cmd *here*, at least that's the goal |
| 22:50:25 | lebellium | sounds interesting |
| 22:50:30 | lebellium | maybe that's the best thing to do indeed |
| 22:51:17 | lebellium | btw, I put the instructions for the MTP to MSC switch |
| 22:52:18 | pamaury | thanks |
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| 22:52:53 | pamaury | so let's see what we can do with a bat |
| 22:53:41 | pamaury | lebellium: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/27778-open-command-window-here.html |
| 22:53:55 | pamaury | this one claims that Libraries is special, it doesn't have the open comand prompt here indeed |
| 22:56:34 | lebellium | pff I asked the A30 user to run get_dnk_nvp kas, get_dnk_nvp mid and get, he only gave me the get result.. |
| 22:56:42 | lebellium | I try again :P |
| 22:57:46 | pamaury | lebellium: can you try this in various folders: |
| 22:57:46 | pamaury | create a file name open_cmd_here.bat |
| 22:57:46 | pamaury | open it (with text editor), and type: |
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| 22:57:46 | pamaury | call cmd |
| 22:57:46 | pamaury | close it and try to double click on it, see if it indeed opens a command prompt in the directory where you put it |
| 22:58:09 | pamaury | it works in Win10 |
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| 23:00:34 | lebellium | works in Win 7 too |
| 23:00:41 | lebellium | easy and efficient |
| 23:01:00 | lebellium | I'll try in Win XP too |
| 23:01:31 | pamaury | thanks |
| 23:04:27 | lebellium | Works in Win XP |
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| 23:06:26 | pamaury | great :) can you create upload this .bat on the wiki and add the explanation ? |
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| 23:07:55 | lebellium | yep |
| 23:09:34 | lebellium | http://www.head-fi.org/t/815841/new-sony-nw-wm1z-wm1a-flagship-hi-end-dap/6780#post_13151902 "Where do people find these service manuals so fast ?" I'm Lucky Luke \o/ |
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| 23:11:40 | pamaury | :D |
| 23:15:00 | TorC | BTW, lebellium, it sounds like you've pretty much gone through the ones you know, but if you find another service manual link pattern to brute force, I'd be willing to try it/a part of it using wget and a script. |
| 23:15:57 | TorC | As long as I add some waits to not hammer the site, I doubt Sony's servers will catch it. |
| 23:16:57 | lebellium | pamaury: done |
| 23:17:04 | pamaury | thanks |
| 23:17:15 | lebellium | TorC: I used http://www.urlcheckr.com/Url/Check today |
| 23:17:23 | lebellium | this one can go up to 2500 urls at once |
| 23:18:28 | lebellium | The problem is that I'm still obliged to check every PDF and see if it's about NWZ |
| 23:18:34 | TorC | That works. Much better than manually brute forcing. |
| 23:19:03 | TorC | I'm not sure there's a way around that. Hmmm... maybe a grep NWZ would help with that. |
| 23:19:18 | lebellium | Ideally I would need a tool that check 200 vs 404, download the file and look for NWZ in it |
| 23:19:43 | TorC | Might still grab some random garbage, but with luck it would cut down the amount of garbage to go through. |
| 23:21:14 | TorC | It might take me a bit of time because I don't do it all the time, but a short bash script ought to do the job. Maybe save the lot just in case it comes in handy, but sort them by containing the pattern or not. |
| 23:21:59 | TorC | If you're on windows I'm not going to come up with anything to hand you, though. Not worth my time to figure it out. |
| 23:22:10 | TorC | For that matter I don't even have a win VM set up |
| 23:22:54 | lebellium | I use Windows indeed. I have Ubuntu in VM but I don't like it very much, I just it for Rockbox compiling |
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| 23:24:21 | TorC | Give it time, things might change:) I switched cold turkey back in early 2007. |
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| 23:25:04 | TorC | Reinstalled windows (kind of needed it anyway) to get around a bug I later could have dealt with other ways, and never got that installation working properly again. |
| 23:25:32 | lebellium | the most annoying thing is that I can't always rely on links ending with 1 (revision 1.0). When Sony publishes revision 1.1, 1.2 or even 1.3 of the service manuals, they usually remove the older revision and publish a new link ending with 2,3, 4 or more. That's still more links to check |
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| 23:27:41 | TorC | Still perfectly possible to check that with patterns. I'd have to check wget/curl to understand the return codes, but bash can generate those links on the fly. |
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| 23:58:17 | chrisjj | Was there once a port to the Creative ZEN Vision (the existence of https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/commit/a2d46868e2695c85b863848792ead8c1d680f185 suggest so) and if so, why was it wothdrawn (it is not listed on https://www.rockbox.org/)? |
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