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| 00:02:34 | Bilgus_ | amazoniantoad, https://imgur.com/a/IiUc2 here is the basic idea first set your meter to ohms and plug in the cord you will then check each part of the plug (R, L, G) and if the meter reads < 1.00 (NOT -1) then make note of which pin that was on your IPOD flex cable |
| 00:03:30 | chrisjj | Anyone know how to get the current playlist to show on the WPS? |
| 00:04:37 | Bilgus_ | actually as cheap as that meter is touch the two probes together and make note of what the display says you shoulkd get something very close when you get the correct pin |
| 00:04:45 | __builtin | I'd be willing to bet that [Saint] does |
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| 00:10:43 | chrisjj | Improved version: Where can I find a .WPS that shows the current playlist? |
| 00:11:22 | __builtin | the theme site, I'd imagine |
| 00:11:33 | __builtin | where all the other WPS's are ;) |
| 00:12:45 | chrisjj | You'd think... |
| 00:15:42 | Bilgus_ | https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Playlist_47Song_Info |
| 00:15:57 | Bilgus_ | %pnPlaylist Name (Without path or extension) |
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| 00:23:32 | chrisjj | I don't know what the %pn is for but the linked info worked great: http://i.imgur.com/FKW8qcd.png Thanks. |
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| 00:30:29 | chrisjj | Bilgus, that doesn't display the whole playlist, but just the upcoming tracks from an offset from the current. Any idea how to display the whole current playlist? 'start' param does not do it AFAICS. |
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| 00:50:31 | Bilgus_ | amazoniantoad, ill be back in about two hours |
| 00:51:58 | Bilgus_ | oh Do note: that two of the pins will show connected since this is a 4 pin headphone port we'll have to figure that one out later |
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| 01:00:54 | Bilgus_ | chrisjj: use a negative offset? |
| 01:01:11 | chrisjj | I tried it. |
| 01:01:46 | chrisjj | It shows back past Track 1 when Track 1 is playing. |
| 01:02:59 | chrisjj | AFAICT every value of start has the list shifting with play. I want it fixed, from track #1. |
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| 01:04:52 | Bilgus_ | dunno |
| 01:05:12 | chrisjj | OK, thanks. |
| 01:05:19 | __builtin | what you're asking for seems incredibly useless to me |
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| 01:05:56 | Bilgus_ | (because __builtin only has one song? :P) |
| 01:06:25 | amazoniantoad | hey Bilgus_ sorry my mom wanted me to get groceries |
| 01:07:10 | Bilgus_ | I'm leaving atm but if you want to check out the instructional pic above ill get back to you from my phone in a while |
| 01:07:24 | amazoniantoad | All right |
| 01:07:26 | amazoniantoad | will do |
| 01:07:26 | amazoniantoad | thanks |
| 01:10:49 | __builtin | chrisjj: why in the world would anyone care what the playlist looked like from the beginning? |
| 01:11:24 | __builtin | the only part that should matter are the nearest couple tracks |
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| 01:15:35 | chrisjj | __builtin, perhaps whoever designed %Vp to show e.g. ten tracks can tell you. |
| 01:16:25 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, I got a reading on R that was much higher than 1. The other two I get no reading from. |
| 01:19:43 | __builtin | do you even know what it is that you want? |
| 01:20:21 | __builtin | %Vp has nothing to do with a fixed playlist view |
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| 01:21:07 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, or at least it's not high enough to show up I guess |
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| 01:44:40 | jtdesigns01 | Hey guys, could I run one of the other sony walkmans ports on the sony walkman nwz e353? |
| 01:45:11 | jtdesigns01 | it seems to have very similar inputs/firmware (visually) to the nwz e360 |
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| 01:48:30 | jtdesigns01 | __builtin, [Saint], pamaury ^ |
| 01:48:42 | __builtin | oh hey jtdesigns01 |
| 01:48:48 | __builtin | long time no see :) |
| 01:48:54 | jtdesigns01 | lol, yep |
| 01:49:02 | jtdesigns01 | this is my brothers device |
| 01:49:22 | jtdesigns01 | i broke the touchpad bus on my fuze+ |
| 01:49:26 | jtdesigns01 | ;) |
| 01:49:44 | __builtin | you should probably wait for pamaury |
| 01:49:52 | jtdesigns01 | thats what i was thinking |
| 01:50:04 | jtdesigns01 | man, he seems to be behind basically every port |
| 01:50:12 | __builtin | yeah, I know |
| 01:50:34 | __builtin | by the way, check out my new cloak ;) |
| 01:51:01 | jtdesigns01 | fancy! |
| 01:51:41 | jtdesigns01 | how do you get those? (not that i deserve one yet :)) |
| 01:52:09 | __builtin | well I got commit access recently |
| 01:53:12 | jtdesigns01 | oh, yeah. I remember. I still get *all* the gerrit emails, so i have been able to keep a general idea of where things have been going |
| 01:53:44 | jtdesigns01 | but, yeah, not much rb coding from me for a long while |
| 01:54:42 | __builtin | were you the one behind the SW:DF port? |
| 01:54:51 | jtdesigns01 | lol |
| 01:55:00 | jtdesigns01 | what there was of it, yes |
| 01:55:48 | __builtin | if you can find a remake that uses SDL 1.2 it ought to save you some work ;) |
| 01:55:48 | * | jtdesigns01 waits for rb to clone and realizes what an impressively large code base rb has |
| 01:56:08 | jtdesigns01 | dont think it exists, but how so? |
| 01:56:17 | __builtin | see g#1521 |
| 01:56:19 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #1521 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1521 : [WIP] Port of SDL 1.2.15 by Franklin Wei |
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| 01:58:14 | jtdesigns01 | dang, thats huge! nice! |
| 01:58:42 | jtdesigns01 | thats a big lib to run on a mp3 player! |
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| 02:00:23 | __builtin | I take it you haven't seen g#1421 either ;) |
| 02:00:25 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #1421 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1421 : Port of Simon Tatham's Puzzle Collection by Franklin Wei |
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| 02:03:44 | __builtin | SDL is bigger when counting lines of code, but most of it isn't actually used |
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| 02:34:09 | amazoniantoad | . |
| 02:34:31 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, I'll be back in 30 min |
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| 02:46:45 | jtdesigns01 | do you know where i can get a sony bootloader? |
| 02:46:56 | jtdesigns01 | __builtin, ^ |
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| 02:49:25 | bilgus_ph | amazoniantoad: try all of them, one that is connected will show very similar to when you touched the two meter probes together the others will show very high or what the meter displayes when you aren't connected to anything |
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| 02:52:07 | __builtin | the best answer off the top of my head is "pamaury" |
| 02:52:35 | __builtin | you mean the OF bootloader, right? |
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| 03:13:04 | bilgus_ph | http://imgur.com/a/7mNr4 it could be any of these |
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| 03:49:09 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, you still there? |
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| 04:03:03 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, I got one R, one L, and two G |
| 04:03:14 | amazoniantoad | Sorry about earlier I was eating with the family |
| 04:05:27 | Bilgus_ | np I would have figured left would have shown up twice |
| 04:05:53 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, do I need to test more? |
| 04:05:58 | amazoniantoad | Or is that good? |
| 04:07:20 | Bilgus_ | well if It didn't maybe they use something funky but you should be good |
| 04:07:48 | amazoniantoad | okay |
| 04:08:16 | Bilgus_ | so I would now take your patch cable and figure out how long it will need to be to reach the bluetooth anywhere in the device and add 3-4 inches or so and cut it |
| 04:08:17 | amazoniantoad | want me to mark on the image what is what? |
| 04:08:34 | Bilgus_ | sure |
| 04:09:00 | amazoniantoad | K. Also with regard to what you said, you mean plug the aux cord into the bluetooth device and then see how long it needs to be? |
| 04:09:15 | Bilgus_ | is the patch cable you bought really thick? |
| 04:09:44 | amazoniantoad | yes |
| 04:09:49 | amazoniantoad | well |
| 04:09:56 | amazoniantoad | It's not really thin. Not the thickest either. |
| 04:10:02 | Bilgus_ | yep plug it in and get an idea of where it needs to be mounted and add 3 inches or so |
| 04:10:03 | amazoniantoad | But it is *thicker* |
| 04:10:09 | amazoniantoad | okay |
| 04:10:29 | amazoniantoad | looking for a program like paint for ubuntu |
| 04:10:29 | amazoniantoad | :p |
| 04:10:34 | Bilgus_ | well if it will have problems routing you will need to strip the black sheath further |
| 04:10:51 | amazoniantoad | okay |
| 04:11:09 | Bilgus_ | that way you are only dealing with three tiny wires instead of a massive one |
| 04:12:15 | Bilgus_ | also the ground wire might be bare so you will need some electrical tape or something really thin like the sleeve of a slightly larger wire to cover it |
| 04:14:59 | Bilgus_ | https://imgur.com/a/gJltE |
| 04:15:09 | Bilgus_ | what numbers in this image |
| 04:16:14 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, excuse the crappy labeling. This software was a bit awkward |
| 04:16:44 | amazoniantoad | 1 = R, 2 = L, 7 = G, 8 = G |
| 04:16:55 | amazoniantoad | Nvm lol. This was faster |
| 04:17:12 | amazoniantoad | ill go get some electrical tape |
| 04:19:31 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, okay looks like I'm out of electrical tape |
| 04:19:40 | amazoniantoad | I can go buy some later unless I need it right now |
| 04:19:56 | amazoniantoad | It would be a quick trip though. Earlier there was a bunch of traffic and I had to buy groceries |
| 04:20:28 | Bilgus_ | well you won't be putting the device together till you have a new back so not a big deal just be careful it doesn't touch anything in the ipod |
| 04:20:39 | amazoniantoad | Hey I messed up. |
| 04:20:50 | amazoniantoad | 1 = R, 4 = L, 7 = G, 8 = G |
| 04:21:00 | Bilgus_ | so you'll connect your wires to 1, 2 and 8 |
| 04:21:16 | amazoniantoad | so I need to cut this aux cable and strip a little bit? |
| 04:23:34 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, ? |
| 04:24:57 | Bilgus_ | well first i'd mockup everything in its final places |
| 04:25:38 | Bilgus_ | then add 3 inches or so cut it and strip off the end about 2 inches or whatever you need to route it properly |
| 04:25:57 | amazoniantoad | k |
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| 04:29:43 | amazoniantoad | well this aux cable may have too long of a stem on the end of it |
| 04:29:56 | amazoniantoad | but it might work so ill move ahead |
| 04:30:35 | amazoniantoad | let me go get some wire strippers |
| 04:30:50 | Bilgus_ | now once you have that ready get your soldering iron, wet paper towel (or a small piece of kitchen sponge), your flux, rubbing alcohol, and the other end of the headphone cord, you are gong to plug the waste end of the headphone cord into the ipod to act as a heat sink |
| 04:31:09 | Bilgus_ | rather than wire strippers use a lighter on the black sheath |
| 04:31:42 | Bilgus_ | just give it a second or so of fire and pull the other end |
| 04:31:57 | Bilgus_ | wire strippers will cut into the internal wires |
| 04:32:24 | Bilgus_ | but you will probably need them for the small wires although I like a lighter on those as well |
| 04:33:36 | Bilgus_ | so once you get your wires ready approx 1/2 inch of actual bare wire and 1.5 inches of wire with no sheath ( or more if nec.) |
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| 04:35:28 | Bilgus_ | heat up soldering iron till the solder melts on it when touched dip it in the flux ,then melt a good amount of solder on the tip of the soldering iron (1-2" or solder) |
| 04:35:41 | Bilgus_ | of solder* |
| 04:36:04 | Bilgus_ | try and get a nice silver coat on the first 1/4 or so of the tip |
| 04:36:38 | Bilgus_ | http://www.imagenode.org/blinky09/tinned_tip.jpg |
| 04:37:00 | Bilgus_ | and then wipe it on the wet paper towel or sponge |
| 04:39:26 | Bilgus_ | next we will set up the wire for tinning, so get the bare wires and one at a time dip them into the flux, next touch them to the tip of the soldering iron at the same time holding the solder on the wire just above the iron, take care not to coat the whole wire to the point that the solder flows under the remaining sheath as this will make them prone to breaking, and repeat |
| 04:40:06 | amazoniantoad | okay |
| 04:40:12 | Bilgus_ | http://firetrucksandequipment.tpub.com/TM-9-254/img/TM-9-254_129_1.jpg |
| 04:40:14 | amazoniantoad | let me get the solder gun ready |
| 04:40:18 | fIorz | (just don't use any sponge that would melt at the temperatures, which most probably would? =:-) |
| 04:40:28 | Bilgus_ | is it a solder gun or pencil iron? |
| 04:40:56 | Bilgus_ | any sponge works except foam rubber it is wet afterall |
| 04:42:43 | amazoniantoad | pencil iron |
| 04:42:54 | amazoniantoad | it is long an pointy...not like a glue gun |
| 04:43:28 | Bilgus_ | K I was gonna say a solder gun will probably be a bit of a PITA |
| 04:43:58 | Bilgus_ | is this a multi temp iron or a single temp type IE not adjustable? |
| 04:44:50 | amazoniantoad | Uhm. it looks pretty cheap. You just plug it in |
| 04:44:52 | Bilgus_ | you will probably want a Q-tip or a chop stick or something to apply flux |
| 04:44:59 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, there is something i forgot to tell you about the bluetooth |
| 04:45:06 | amazoniantoad | Let me take a picture of what I think might be an issue |
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| 04:46:42 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, https://i.imgsafe.org/81f22526a7.jpg |
| 04:46:50 | amazoniantoad | This white stuff is where the battery is connected |
| 04:47:00 | amazoniantoad | also, I think I need to get some wiring like that. I don't know what kind though |
| 04:47:34 | Bilgus_ | can you take a pic of the wire inside the patch cable? |
| 04:48:27 | Bilgus_ | the white stuff is probably hot melt glue or epoxy you should be able to flake it off but for the moment we will leave the battery connected till after you test this step |
| 04:49:13 | Bilgus_ | as long as the wire in the patch cable is decent we can use the remainder in the other half of the patch cable for power |
| 04:53:04 | Bilgus_ | Btw if it is hot melt glue with your iron cool wrap some aluminum foil on the tip and use it to heat the stuff up and wipe it off I use my fingers but you'll probably want to use paper towel as it will burn the shit out of you |
| 04:54:36 | Bilgus_ | for tinning the wires you can also get a big glob of solder on the iron tip and just toch the wire tip to the glob |
| 04:54:43 | Bilgus_ | touch* |
| 04:55:56 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, just setting everything up |
| 04:55:58 | amazoniantoad | sorry |
| 04:56:22 | Bilgus_ | np i'm doing other stuff I just listen for the ding |
| 04:56:38 | furrywolf | yay, 13504 tracks in the playlist, and it still works. |
| 04:58:09 | furrywolf | slow playlist scrolling issue kicks in at track 4200 |
| 04:58:20 | furrywolf | waiting no longer makes it work |
| 04:59:58 | furrywolf | by track 4275 it takes about two seconds to scroll down each line |
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| 05:02:23 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, https://i.imgsafe.org/822ba5fd41.jpg https://i.imgsafe.org/822bb018b6.jpg |
| 05:02:36 | amazoniantoad | Does this look appropriate? |
| 05:03:22 | furrywolf | hrmm! it's the same tracks that were causing to scroll very slowly before. they're just in a different place in the new playlist. |
| 05:03:32 | furrywolf | there's something about the filenames breaking scrolling. |
| 05:03:34 | Bilgus_ | yeah it looks decent enough, also befor you tin those wires twist each one a bit to get it all nice and tight around its self |
| 05:03:36 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, I tightened the wires up a bit after this pic |
| 05:03:36 | furrywolf | or metadata, or something |
| 05:03:42 | amazoniantoad | yeah |
| 05:04:08 | amazoniantoad | okay so first target is....1 |
| 05:04:26 | amazoniantoad | So one is R, so is it the red wire on my aux cord Bilgus_? |
| 05:04:49 | amazoniantoad | crap |
| 05:04:52 | amazoniantoad | rubbing alcohol |
| 05:04:53 | amazoniantoad | brb |
| 05:04:55 | Bilgus_ | ok i'd say you are ready to tin them take care not to have the solder under the sheath, you want the wire to be flexible where it isn't soldered, yes Red should be R white will be L and bare is Gnd |
| 05:05:58 | Bilgus_ | also get something like a piece of cardboard or a few pieces of paper to protect your table |
| 05:06:31 | Bilgus_ | furrywolf what are the file names? |
| 05:07:22 | furrywolf | long. very long. |
| 05:07:25 | furrywolf | sex |
| 05:07:26 | furrywolf | sec |
| 05:07:31 | furrywolf | meh, I can't type today. |
| 05:08:16 | furrywolf | one of the longer ones is Various - Flower Power - Age of Aquarius - Disc 2 - 12 - Melanie with the Edwin Hawkins Singers - Lay Down (Candles in the Rain).mp3 |
| 05:08:58 | furrywolf | does something process long filenames very slowly? |
| 05:09:11 | furrywolf | n2 time or worse. |
| 05:09:55 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, no rubbing alcohol |
| 05:10:20 | Bilgus_ | well it was just to clean the board and the flux after so not that big of a deal |
| 05:11:00 | Bilgus_ | can you take a pic of your flux and solder so I can verify it is the right stuff |
| 05:12:02 | amazoniantoad | yes |
| 05:12:18 | amazoniantoad | solder is ready i think |
| 05:13:40 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, https://i.imgsafe.org/825793cc53.jpg |
| 05:14:24 | Bilgus_ | yep thats the right flux |
| 05:14:46 | Bilgus_ | make sure you dip the iron in the flux and tin the iron tip |
| 05:15:08 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, dip it in flux while it is hot? What do you mean "tin" it? |
| 05:15:25 | Bilgus_ | yep dip while it is hot it'll smoke some |
| 05:15:45 | amazoniantoad | what do you mean tin? |
| 05:15:47 | Bilgus_ | tin it means get a thin layer of solder on it till it looks like the pic I posted above |
| 05:16:26 | amazoniantoad | ah |
| 05:16:31 | amazoniantoad | Will it remain that way for long? |
| 05:16:36 | Bilgus_ | furry wold I wonder if there are any non utf 8 chars in that name or the length is causing the issue |
| 05:16:39 | amazoniantoad | Or will i need to tin it constantly? |
| 05:17:08 | Bilgus_ | it will need tinned every so often basically when it stops looking shiny |
| 05:17:25 | amazoniantoad | so dip the iron tip in flux first and then tin it? |
| 05:17:36 | Bilgus_ | you will wipe it on the wet paper towel or sponge after every time you do a solder joint |
| 05:17:51 | Bilgus_ | yes dip it in flux first then tin it |
| 05:18:07 | Bilgus_ | the flux will make it easier to tin |
| 05:18:55 | Bilgus_ | furrywolf* ^ |
| 05:19:36 | furrywolf | no, only normal ascii |
| 05:19:50 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, so a problem I'm having is that the solder is rolling away from the solder iron while I try to rub it on |
| 05:20:26 | Bilgus_ | keep trying till it finally sticks |
| 05:20:33 | Bilgus_ | thats why we tin it |
| 05:21:59 | Bilgus_ | if you have to make a ball of solder place it on something that won't melt and ghold the iron in it |
| 05:22:42 | Bilgus_ | and then wipe it on wet towel |
| 05:27:11 | Bilgus_ | If you still havent gotten it get a 2" ball of aluminim foil and poke it in it a few times while twisting re dip in flux and try again |
| 05:27:37 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, how long should this process take? |
| 05:27:41 | amazoniantoad | doesn't seem to be working |
| 05:28:01 | Bilgus_ | on a new iron probably 5 mins |
| 05:28:14 | amazoniantoad | then im not doing it right |
| 05:28:47 | Bilgus_ | get a ball of aluminum foil and twist to rough it up a bit |
| 05:29:22 | Bilgus_ | i'm sure a cheap iron like that has a cheap tip |
| 05:29:55 | Bilgus_ | be careful the foil will heat up fast |
| 05:30:12 | Bilgus_ | also you will need to let the iron reheat a bit after |
| 05:32:53 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, https://i.imgsafe.org/829fb36d20.jpg how is this? |
| 05:33:12 | Bilgus_ | looks good but add a bit more |
| 05:33:17 | amazoniantoad | k |
| 05:33:31 | Bilgus_ | it should be shiny and then wipe it on the wet towel |
| 05:34:04 | Bilgus_ | might also dip it in the flux again too that'll slow down the oxidation that makes it not shiny |
| 05:34:37 | Bilgus_ | ok so next one wire at a time dip in flux and tin the wire tips |
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| 05:35:13 | Bilgus_ | after we will trim the wire ends till they are approx 1/4" long |
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| 05:35:43 | Bilgus_ | so be sure to get it tinned within 1/4 " of the sheath but not under the sheath |
| 05:37:06 | Bilgus_ | next bend the 1/4 left into a small c shape like the same diameter as the pads we will be soldering to or slightly smaller |
| 05:41:57 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, https://i.imgsafe.org/82c1dbc158.jpg |
| 05:42:01 | amazoniantoad | Is this good? |
| 05:42:26 | Bilgus_ | good enough |
| 05:42:33 | amazoniantoad | okay |
| 05:43:15 | amazoniantoad | so hold the solder to 1 with red wire? what is the order in which I release the solder gun v. solder? |
| 05:43:18 | amazoniantoad | solder first? |
| 05:47:25 | Bilgus_ | did you tin the wires yet? |
| 05:47:47 | amazoniantoad | yes |
| 05:47:50 | Bilgus_ | oh ok |
| 05:47:54 | Bilgus_ | https://imgur.com/a/AaR7n |
| 05:48:22 | Bilgus_ | there is the basic layout be sure the headphone port can fold back in place properly |
| 05:49:14 | Bilgus_ | next assuming you already trimmed the wires to length and everything take your qtip and put a little blob of flux on the first Flex cable pad |
| 05:49:38 | Bilgus_ | do note you need to put in the waste end of the patch cable in the port |
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| 05:49:59 | Bilgus_ | that way we don't metlt the headphone port |
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| 05:50:24 | amazoniantoad | so put a little bit of flux on each part? |
| 05:51:23 | Bilgus_ | do it one at a time stuff is messy |
| 05:51:28 | Bilgus_ | now in devices that are newer they use lead free solder so first you will heat the original blob of solder up with the flux and hold your new solder there too |
| 05:51:52 | Bilgus_ | till it melts to it also add some more solder to your tip first |
| 05:52:19 | Bilgus_ | then take the iron and wipe it off on the towel add a little more solder and do it once more |
| 05:52:32 | Bilgus_ | now we are talking about 5-10 seconds here |
| 05:52:52 | Bilgus_ | if it is taking longer than that you need to add more solder to the iron tip first |
| 05:53:24 | amazoniantoad | let me show you the amount I put on. I also put it on all 3 spots assuming it was all right |
| 05:53:54 | Bilgus_ | add more flux in between as well |
| 05:54:00 | amazoniantoad | btw. I was wrong earlier it was 1 = R, 4 = L, 7 = G, 8 = G |
| 05:54:12 | amazoniantoad | only one was different |
| 05:55:25 | Bilgus_ | as long as you know that is what counts |
| 05:55:48 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, https://i.imgsafe.org/82f5122f30.jpg |
| 05:55:54 | amazoniantoad | Is that too much? |
| 05:56:09 | Bilgus_ | nah thats fine |
| 05:56:28 | amazoniantoad | okay so you said to heat up the solder already there? |
| 05:56:34 | amazoniantoad | how long will that take? |
| 05:56:53 | Bilgus_ | wipe it down with a towel when you get finished and some 90% alcohol once you get some |
| 05:57:03 | Bilgus_ | 5-10 sec |
| 05:57:05 | amazoniantoad | okay |
| 05:57:15 | Bilgus_ | get a good blob on your iron first |
| 05:57:31 | Bilgus_ | that is what helps transfer the heat |
| 05:57:51 | amazoniantoad | so blob the solder iron, hold the solder there for 5-10 seconds, then apply the wire? What about my solder? |
| 05:58:00 | Bilgus_ | basically we are trying to get rid of that lead free stuff and get some of or leaded stuff on there |
| 05:58:09 | Bilgus_ | no wire yet |
| 05:58:24 | amazoniantoad | So just heat it up? Will it retain the heat? |
| 05:58:31 | Bilgus_ | no |
| 05:58:42 | Bilgus_ | again get a good blob on iron |
| 05:58:50 | amazoniantoad | okay |
| 05:59:29 | Bilgus_ | once it starts combining wipe the iron or just shake it over a piece of paper |
| 05:59:34 | amazoniantoad | it's just melting off |
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| 06:00:18 | Bilgus_ | then shake iron hold the very tip to the original and touch your new solder to it |
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| 06:00:46 | Bilgus_ | this is why we want to get some fresh solder on it |
| 06:01:13 | furrywolf | we have different soldering methods. heh. |
| 06:01:56 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, brb |
| 06:02:06 | Bilgus_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqV2xU1fee8 |
| 06:02:17 | Bilgus_ | that might give you a bit of insight |
| 06:02:33 | amazoniantoad | thanks. Will watch it in a min. Have to go help my parents |
| 06:03:14 | furrywolf | I never have a blob on the iron tip. it's tinned, wiped, then touched to the joint wet not blobbed. solder applied to a different part of the joint, and melted by the joint, not the tip. |
| 06:03:56 | Bilgus_ | when you are removing the lead free crap you have to get some new stuff in there first |
| 06:04:30 | furrywolf | when I'm removing any crap, I grab the solder sucker. :) |
| 06:04:43 | Bilgus_ | me too but... |
| 06:04:49 | Bilgus_ | or solder wick |
| 06:04:58 | furrywolf | or the braid. or I fire up the vacuum desoldering station... |
| 06:05:21 | furrywolf | I don't normally use the vacuum station because it's a piece of crap that breaks about every five minutes, so I have to make sure I _really_ need it. heh. |
| 06:05:55 | Bilgus_ | I have this nice manual sucker that is an iron too thing is probably older than me |
| 06:06:54 | furrywolf | mine's an GE unit from the '80s or so... the iron design sucks (and doesn't suck), with solder solidifying in its internal passages... so I get about twenty joints, then I have to hit it with a propane torch while under vacuum to get the solder actually out of it. |
| 06:07:20 | Bilgus_ | also amazoniantoad since you have a low power soldering iron this is actually harder and more prone to overheating |
| 06:07:50 | furrywolf | yeah, that soldering iron is fucking garbage, and does not deserve to exist. |
| 06:08:15 | Bilgus_ | huh mine has this chamber with i'm guessing fiberglass or asbestos in it |
| 06:09:01 | furrywolf | mine uses a long steel tube section that's part of the iron, to get it cool enough where the rubber hose attaches... and, dur, if you let it cool, the solder is going to clog up. |
| 06:09:27 | furrywolf | so every time it clogs I have to heat the tube/handle section up with the propane torch |
| 06:09:40 | Bilgus_ | I rebuilt it with rtv silicone DIY rings bc I couldn't find the proper size |
| 06:11:34 | furrywolf | I think most of the problem is the vacuum system design. when you press the trigger, it starts the vacuum pump, causing a slow buildup of vacuum, which moves the solder slowly and lets it solidify in the iron. I keep meaning to re-engineer it so the pump maintains vacuum in a reservoir, and the trigger opens a solenoid valve. hopefully then the sudden full vacuum will move the solder fast enough it doesn't cool in the iron. |
| 06:11:49 | Bilgus_ | http://www.stevenjohnson.com/soldering/pics/d1-3-desoldering-ironsm.jpg |
| 06:11:55 | Bilgus_ | like this one |
| 06:13:24 | furrywolf | that's cute. |
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| 06:13:36 | Bilgus_ | handy little bastard |
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| 06:14:16 | furrywolf | I recently bought one of the cheapo chinese hot air stations... haven't used it yet. |
| 06:14:45 | furrywolf | I was thinking a repair was going to involve replacing a many-legged chip, which I wanted hot air for... turned out the actual problem was the capacitor next to the chip. |
| 06:14:54 | furrywolf | which I did with my 140W weller. lol |
| 06:15:16 | furrywolf | (many-legged surface mount chip) |
| 06:15:32 | Bilgus_ | I think my weller is 50 watts or so Idk its so old you can only read weller |
| 06:16:06 | furrywolf | pistol grip or pencil tip? |
| 06:16:10 | * | Bilgus_ seeks out old tools |
| 06:16:15 | Bilgus_ | pencil tip |
| 06:16:41 | Bilgus_ | I have a weller gun type but I haven't used it since probably 1996 |
| 06:16:47 | furrywolf | yeah, 50W is around the right range for old weller pencil tips. |
| 06:17:21 | furrywolf | my vacuum station uses an iron setup similar to http://www.avdweb.nl/Article_files/Composites/Vacuum-pump/Desoldering-station.JPG . with the way it slowly builds up vacuum, the solder solidifies in the upper tube. |
| 06:18:16 | Bilgus_ | ah I see probably just needs a vac pump with more volume but then needs a bigger element lol |
| 06:18:27 | furrywolf | no, it needs a non-brain-damaged design. |
| 06:18:50 | furrywolf | the vacuum pump is normally off, and there's air in the lines. when you press the trigger, it starts the pump running, and begins evacuating the lines and filter. |
| 06:18:59 | Bilgus_ | ah |
| 06:19:23 | furrywolf | a smart design would keep the pump running, with a reservoir pumped down, and use a solenoid valve to switch the vacuum to the iron. then it'd suddenly have full vacuum. |
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| 06:24:25 | furrywolf | of course, this design adds a reservoir, a solenoid valve to switch vacuum to the iron, and either a continuous duty pump, or a vacuum switch to cycle the pump, plus a higher-quality pump that starts under vacuum (the one in it does not) or an unloader valve... |
| 06:25:17 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, hey im back. Re evaluating the wire layout. brb |
| 06:25:24 | furrywolf | http://www.weller-toolsus.com/weller-t0053380270-wr2000er-set-dsx120-wp65-120v.html one of those looks nice. :) |
| 06:25:43 | Bilgus_ | wipe iron again and retin |
| 06:26:10 | furrywolf | they put the collection chamber directly on top of the iron, with no tube. |
| 06:31:26 | Bilgus_ | amazoniantoad, I hope you put that unused headphone tip in there we want somewhere for the heat to go |
| 06:33:36 | furrywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime |
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| 06:48:57 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, I'm going to buy different solder tomorrow |
| 06:49:05 | amazoniantoad | The kind that came with the gun just doesn't get hot enough |
| 06:49:08 | Bilgus_ | why? |
| 06:49:46 | amazoniantoad | I'm going to go try to buy rosin core solder |
| 06:49:47 | Bilgus_ | doesn't get hot enough? thatd be the gun not the solder |
| 06:50:09 | amazoniantoad | I may have to buy a different gun |
| 06:50:09 | Bilgus_ | huh that should be rosin core solder |
| 06:50:18 | amazoniantoad | the side melts the solder but the tip doesn't |
| 06:50:28 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, ah. I didn't know if it was or not |
| 06:50:30 | Bilgus_ | well I would say yeah but a decent gun is going to be 30-50 |
| 06:50:58 | Bilgus_ | well iron, not gun |
| 06:51:38 | Bilgus_ | that is def a function of the iron is it like a 15w iron or maybe a 30? |
| 06:51:48 | amazoniantoad | idk tbh |
| 06:51:54 | amazoniantoad | What kind of gun should I look for? |
| 06:52:00 | amazoniantoad | I just couldn't do much with this one |
| 06:52:08 | Bilgus_ | at lowes hmm let me look |
| 06:52:13 | amazoniantoad | okay |
| 06:52:29 | amazoniantoad | Speaking of which this wire looks like it will snap off from the audiojack if it gets moved around. |
| 06:52:41 | amazoniantoad | Is there nothing to hold this wire in place? Like that white stuff I showed you earlier? |
| 06:52:49 | amazoniantoad | I think it would be really useful in this instance |
| 06:53:48 | Bilgus_ | i'd hot melt glue it when all done |
| 06:54:01 | amazoniantoad | good idea |
| 06:54:06 | Bilgus_ | that and try and get that white cover to snap bvack on |
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| 06:54:22 | amazoniantoad | that will just take some adhesive |
| 06:54:27 | Bilgus_ | lowes has shit for irons even the weller they list is junk |
| 06:55:15 | Bilgus_ | what else do you have near you ACE hardware or something? |
| 06:55:48 | Bilgus_ | also never buy leadfree solder the lead is what makes it work |
| 06:56:25 | dongs | lol wuuuut |
| 06:56:30 | dongs | >never buy lead free |
| 06:56:32 | dongs | waht year is this |
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| 06:56:37 | dongs | do you want this guy to get free cancer? |
| 06:57:24 | Bilgus_ | oh shit more lead in your water than the fumes from 10 solder joints |
| 06:58:47 | Bilgus_ | leadfree solder is 1 hard to flow 2 less robust ( read brittle ) and 3 grows tin whiskers that short the stuff out over time |
| 06:59:47 | Bilgus_ | http://www.sigcon.com/images/news/v10_01b.jpg <- tin whiskers |
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| 07:02:19 | Bilgus_ | what I saw in this article just skimming it should fill you in http://www.sigcon.com/Pubs/news/10_01.htm |
| 07:03:12 | dongs | i work wiht pcb production and assembly. i think i know just a bit about it. |
| 07:03:57 | Bilgus_ | then you should know or were you being facetious? |
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| 07:26:05 | amazoniantoad | Hey sorry Bilgus_ I was doing something. I'll start back up tomorrow and let you know about my progress if you're in here. |
| 07:26:09 | amazoniantoad | Thanks a lot for your help today |
| 07:26:15 | amazoniantoad | MVP lel |
| 07:26:46 | Bilgus_ | np try to get a decent soldering iron 30w+ it'll make it less like to ruin the thing |
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| 10:24:53 | pamaury | jtdesigns01 (logs): yes the E350 series will be supported (but not because it looks like the E360, because it looks like the E450 :-p) |
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| 11:54:42 | wodz | pamaury: Did you push nwz bootloader update to allow scripts run? |
| 11:57:12 | pamaury | wodz: ah no sorry I forgot |
| 11:59:32 | pamaury | wodz: but if you want to a quick hack, you can do the following: get g#1481, and in bootloader/nwz_linx.c, line 250, replace: |
| 11:59:32 | pamaury | execvp("/usr/local/bin/mptapp", argv); |
| 11:59:32 | pamaury | by |
| 11:59:34 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #1481 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1481 : Initial commit for the Sony NWZ linux port and NWZ-E460 (WIP) by Amaury Pouly |
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| 12:00:25 | pamaury | execlp("bash", "/contents/script.sh"); |
| 12:00:59 | pamaury | then compile the bootloader and install it. Now in the bootloader menu, if you select Debug Tools, it will run script.sh at the root of the internal storage |
| 12:02:50 | pamaury | wodz: I'll push my code this afternoon |
| 12:03:19 | wodz | pamaury: Ok. |
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| 12:38:17 | chrisjj | pamaury, re your request for test of ZEN daily build: I've run 28bf763-170121 for total 66hrs so far on two units (G and Q) on external power. Result is one BSoPO and no other fails. |
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| 14:04:08 | pamaury_ | chrisjj: thanks, I will send you a new build with a tweak to VDD voltage to see if that helps |
| 14:04:19 | pamaury_ | wodz: I updated g#1481 with the run script menu |
| 14:04:21 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #1481 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1481 : Initial commit for the Sony NWZ linux port and NWZ-E460 (WIP) by Amaury Pouly |
| 14:05:00 | pamaury_ | wodz: go to Tools menu > run script: you get a list of all files at the root of the device, select your favorite file and run it. At the moment it runs the file using sh: "sh <file>" |
| 14:05:32 | pamaury_ | note that it's busybox sh, ie very strict and has minimal features |
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| 14:05:50 | pamaury_ | if you don't redirect the output, the output will go to rockbox.log at the root of the device |
| 14:06:03 | pamaury_ | the interface is a bit crude but it should be usable ;) |
| 14:06:09 | wodz | pamaury_: Thanks. I will not have time tonight probably but messing with this is high on my todo list |
| 14:06:35 | pamaury_ | if I find time tonight, I'll try playing with aplay (haha) |
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| 14:20:29 | chrisjj | pamaury: Thanks. Note I have not yet tested on internal power. When I did that on previous recent builds, failure rate was much higher, esp.on near-empty battery. Let's see your voltage-tweak build on external results before going to internal. |
| 14:39:58 | pamaury_ | chrisjj: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hvzk92ntezwifac/rockbox_zen_g1533.zip?dl=0 |
| 14:39:59 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #1533 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1533 : zen/zenxfi: adjust maximum emi voltage by Amaury Pouly |
| 14:40:10 | pamaury_ | it's completely untested, I didn't even try it on the xfi |
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| 15:43:05 | chrisjj | pamaury, Got it. 8fec364f6-170125. Running fine one three units so far. And showing 18% LED - thanks. |
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| 16:56:44 | chrisjj | s/ Running fine one three units/ Running fine on three units/ (FTR, units G, L and P) |
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| 17:46:38 | chrisjj | pamaury, Is ZEN rockbox setting chip voltage to the same value as the OF? Or to a value determined by trial and error? Or what? |
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| 17:47:32 | pamaury | I follow the manual |
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| 18:41:51 | chrisjj | Sounds wise ;-) Does this tweak take the voltage /to/ the manual's reccommendation, or away from it? |
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| 19:05:37 | pamaury | chrisjj: back to the manual, it's the commit that disabled memory frequency scaling that introduced the mistake |
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| 19:07:53 | MikeYedi | Hello |
| 19:09:24 | MikeYedi | I have an ipod 4th gen greyscale and it stalls when playing music. |
| 19:10:19 | MikeYedi | The music stops every few seconds and the IPod will not accept any input from its buttons |
| 19:10:56 | MikeYedi | Is this typical, and if so what can I do to negate the issue? |
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| 19:11:59 | MikeYedi | It seems allmost as if I am overloading the CPU with audio enhancements. I have tried a few different versions. |
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| 19:14:20 | pamaury | MikeYedi: I know about ipods but if you want people to help, I suggest you specify the codec you are using |
| 19:14:44 | pamaury | also try by resetting all settings and see if the problem persists (you can save them first to not loose them) |
| 19:15:13 | MikeYedi | MP3, FLAC and M4a all have this issue. |
| 19:16:30 | MikeYedi | It is behaving like the CPU is overloaded and causing stuttering and stalls. Removing the audio enhancements fixes this issue. |
| 19:17:45 | MikeYedi | One secound let me verify that flac has this issue. |
| 19:19:00 | pamaury | which audio enhancements do you use ? |
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| 19:19:37 | MikeYedi | Well it crashed when building directory *PANIC* Dir entry 16 in sector 1 CB21 is not free! 32 CD 33 CE pc:00064C50 sp:000DD638 bt end |
| 19:19:41 | pamaury | if you are using the equalizer with many bands, you can easily overload the cpu on those devices |
| 19:19:58 | MikeYedi | yes equaliser with dithering |
| 19:20:04 | pamaury | sounds like you file system is corrupted |
| 19:20:12 | pamaury | (for the panic) |
| 19:20:35 | MikeYedi | Also haas surround and perceptual bass enhancement. with no EQ |
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| 19:20:52 | pamaury | Well I can only suggest that you reduce the number of effects, your device only has the cpu it has ;) |
| 19:21:13 | MikeYedi | It fails to boot rockbox semi frequently is this normal? |
| 19:22:00 | MikeYedi | OK which formats do you think would be the most demanding to decode? Which effects are the most CPU intensive? |
| 19:22:05 | pamaury | probably not, it may be related to the panic if you have a corrupted fat, I'm not sure |
| 19:23:31 | pamaury | MikeYedi: I'm not the audio guy ;) See https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison |
| 19:23:47 | MikeYedi | i have tried to reinstall rockbox a few times but the intermittent boot failure still persists Are you saying I should reformat the whole drive? Or would error checking suffice? |
| 19:24:05 | pamaury | ipod4g uses Portal Player cpu |
| 19:25:48 | pamaury | MikeYedi: do error checking to at least rule out that possibility |
| 19:26:12 | pamaury | otherwise you'll have to wait for someone who knows ipod4g, prof_wolfff maybe ? |
| 19:27:19 | MikeYedi | OK I will now. I do not see that CPU listed on that page. |
| 19:27:46 | MikeYedi | nvm found it |
| 19:28:31 | MikeYedi | How would you suggest I clean the 30pin dock on this ipod? |
| 19:31:36 | MikeYedi | What am I looking at hear with the decode performance chart? |
| 19:32:41 | MikeYedi | I see % realtimeDecode time 41.76MHz118.68% |
| 19:33:56 | MikeYedi | Is the MHZ rating how stressing it is on the CPU while the % realtime is the decode time compared to track runtime? |
| 19:34:24 | pamaury | the percent basically tells you how much faster it is compared to real time. 100% means you can decode in in real time but barely. 50% means you cpu is way too slow. 200% means you cpu is working only half of the time |
| 19:36:25 | MikeYedi | Ok fair enough. Thank you for your help. I suppose I will be converting all my files to FLAC |
| 19:36:33 | pamaury | so for example: lame_096.mp3 Decode time - 34.01s 517.37% realtime −−> MP3 decoding is very cheap, you cpu is sleeping for of the time (500%) |
| 19:36:33 | pamaury | nero_096.m4a Decode time - 62.76s 280.36% realtime −−> M4A decoding is twice more expensive than MP3 but still fast. |
| 19:36:33 | pamaury | lac_5.flac Decode time - 25.29s 695.53% realtime −−> suggest FLAC is also very cheap |
| 19:36:52 | pamaury | MikeYedi: but audio effects are much more expensive |
| 19:37:11 | pamaury | you should not use all of them at once I think |
| 19:38:06 | MikeYedi | Yeah I understand this is from 2005. You guys do great work. |
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| 19:39:05 | MikeYedi | Ohh last question. I installed a high capacity battery and the ipod refuses to turn on at times with a battery error icon. |
| 19:40:20 | Bilgus_ph | As for the dock connector look for a product called DEOXIT pricy but worth it or in a pinch 90% rubbing alcohol |
| 19:40:35 | pamaury | does your battery have the same characteristics as the old one ? |
| 19:40:50 | MikeYedi | It will sometimes refuse to boot for 20-30 mins. When it does my charge is not low at all. |
| 19:41:13 | MikeYedi | Same voltage & connector higher capacity. |
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| 19:41:45 | dys | yay, the key tool to removing the acryl/display was a wall hanger suction cap borrowed from the kitchen |
| 19:42:13 | MikeYedi | I love deoxit but an currently out. Tried rubbing alcohol to no avail. |
| 19:43:06 | MikeYedi | Could it be an issue with the ipod bootloader not fully supporting the higher capacity battery? |
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| 19:49:03 | MikeYedi | I am assuming no one knows the answer to this, to be clear this is exactly what happens. https://youtu.be/SuTcavAzopg?t=132 |
| 19:52:12 | MikeYedi | Also just got boot error again Error! Can't load rockbox,ipod : Bad checksum Insert usb calbe or hold MENU+SELECT to (reboot I assume?) |
| 19:53:19 | MikeYedi | It does this quite infrequently and allmost allways works on reset. |
| 19:53:49 | MikeYedi | My other one of these does this too. |
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| 20:01:58 | MikeYedi | Ok well thank you for your help. I will now go. |
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| 20:21:24 | amazoniantoad | Bilgus_, I'm going to go buy the solder around 3:30-4. |
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| 20:42:32 | johnb3 | Question on GIT: After I have done "git clone git://git.rockbox.org/rockbox ~/Desktop/rockbox", how do I update to the latest with just downloading the deltas? |
| 20:42:36 | chrisjj | pamaury: OK. Is memDFS off in this build? |
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| 20:45:38 | pamaury | chrisjj: yes |
| 20:45:47 | chrisjj | Thanks. Is reset by watchdog off in this build? |
| 20:45:47 | pamaury | memory is stuck at 64Mhz |
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| 20:45:51 | pamaury | no |
| 20:45:59 | chrisjj | OK, thanks. |
| 20:46:12 | pamaury | any crash so far ? |
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| 20:51:59 | johnb3 | nm, found it: git fetch ... |
| 20:52:52 | Bilgus_ph | Amazoniantoad i seriously doubt it is the solder beginners always have problems with low powered irons. But if you want to try get rosin core 60/40 or 63/47 electronics solder in the smallest size possible |
| 20:53:36 | Bilgus_ph | A small tube will get you a long way |
| 20:54:53 | chrisjj | No crash/BSoPO so far. That's in 5hrs x three units, albeit not including the crashiest unit here (Q), which I shall add soon. |
| 20:54:57 | Bilgus_ph | 63/37 sorry |
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| 21:00:36 | Bilgus_ph | Smallest size is probably confusing. I mean smallest gauge possible like .07 pencil lead or smaller.. |
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| 21:14:38 | pamaury_ | dys: any progress on the firmware ? |
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| 21:27:49 | dys | pamaury: no, but I gave taking it apart another try. What did the trick was a suction cup hook borrowed from the kitchen :-) |
| 21:28:13 | dys | pamaury: I'm currently cleaning the markings of the chips and making a decent picture of the PCB |
| 21:28:53 | pamaury | cool |
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| 22:02:12 | chrisjj | pamaury, Do you want details of Data Aborts from the voltage fix ZEN build, on the unit (N) here that suffered coloured dots on lcd_fix (45697a0bf-161212) but on recent builds fails with a DA upon start-up? |
| 22:06:56 | pamaury | chrisjj: you sentence is particularly obscure, or I'm missing some context here |
| 22:07:04 | chrisjj | Retrying... |
| 22:08:14 | pamaury | did the latest build I sent you failed on some device ? |
| 22:08:46 | chrisjj | One ZEN unit (N) here ram RB lcd_fix (45697a0bf-161212) but suffered colours dots on screen. An a few subsequent builds it failed with a data abort upon each start-up. On the current voltage fix build it fails with a data abort upon each start-up. |
| 22:08:47 | chrisjj | Do you want the details of this data abort? |
| 22:10:46 | pamaury | possibly, if that's the data abort from build 8fec364f that I sent you |
| 22:10:59 | pamaury | so only unit N failed with the voltage fix ? |
| 22:13:39 | chrisjj | Yes, of five units tested, only this one, unit N, failed. And the fail is not like previous fails possibly attributed to the voltage issue. Is it not a BSoPO in play. It is a data abort on most start-ups. |
| 22:14:03 | pamaury | ok, that's interesting, can you take a picture of the data abort ? |
| 22:14:47 | chrisjj | As you may recall, I tried but the white background blinds my web and phone cameras. |
| 22:15:21 | pamaury | ah yeah, can you copy the text ? What I care about is the pc: XXXX value and the backtrace below |
| 22:15:22 | chrisjj | BTW, the DA pc is difference each time on the six fails I've observed. |
| 22:15:44 | pamaury | it doesn't matter, maybe it can be helpful anyway (or not, we'll see) |
| 22:15:52 | chrisjj | OK, typing... |
| 22:16:22 | chrisjj | Is a DA with largest stack trace more useful than DA with smallest? |
| 22:17:18 | pamaury | in general yes but that's not always the case |
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| 22:22:11 | chrisjj | pamaury: Here you og: http://pastebin.com/Rm1prVwx |
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| 22:24:54 | pamaury | this is not very helpful, it fails in the middle of a gui update, not very informative, sounds more like random to me. But we already know that this unit is weird |
| 22:27:51 | chrisjj | We already know this unit runs RB with a different degree of success w.r.t. other units. Yet runs the OF equally well as other units. Perhaps the fact it's the only one purchased in the US is significant. |
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| 22:30:02 | chrisjj | About one in five launches succeed. I tried one success further, and found all menu commands I tried work, and music plays. Only when I tried to launch battery_bench was there a fail - BSoPO. |
| 22:30:13 | pamaury | chrisjj: do you have linux ? |
| 22:30:17 | chrisjj | No. |
| 22:32:42 | dys | pamaury: http://ansel.ydns.eu/~andreas/HA-P90SD-front-digital.jpg |
| 22:33:07 | dys | the spi flash is in a case without leads, but there are testpoints around that seem usable |
| 22:33:17 | pamaury | I will think about an easy way for you to dump all registers after creative's bootloader, see if this unit has something that stands out |
| 22:33:34 | pamaury | at least it seems the voltage fix is a real voltage |
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| 22:38:52 | chrisjj | 'real voltage'? |
| 22:40:25 | pamaury | real fix |
| 22:40:57 | gevaerts | Yes. Voltage is a quantum phenomenon, and as such is expressed in complex numbers. This particular fix only deals with the real number component of that |
| 22:41:13 | chrisjj | Got you. Agreed. |
| 22:41:45 | pamaury | gevaerts: but is the world really real ? |
| 22:42:35 | gevaerts | I've looked at it, and it looks a bit different from the square root of minus one |
| 22:42:52 | gevaerts | So it must be |
| 22:43:56 | chrisjj | Interesting about Unit N's crash upon launching battery_bench is that the BSoPO is immediately preceded by 200ms of shifting white jagged diagonal lines on black background, and I've seen no such behaviour from RB before. |
| 22:44:27 | chrisjj | Got you pamaury - not gevaerts! :-) |
| 22:45:23 | pamaury | it definitely has something different, maybe it's a different, more bug, silicon version of stmp3700, or the ram is different |
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| 22:48:34 | chrisjj | Anyone else here with a Creative ZEN bought in USA that would care to try the latest build? |
| 22:49:50 | lebellium | chrisjj: why do you persist to hink somebody is interested in Creative players? |
| 22:49:54 | lebellium | think* |
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| 22:53:14 | lebellium | There are over 100 people around here and everytime you ask for other people to test, nobody replies. That's it |
| 22:54:19 | chrisjj | The reason I think there are people interested in Creative players is that many were sold... and continue to be sold on eBay. |
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| 22:54:56 | pamaury | apparently they don't want to put rockbox on it.... |
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| 22:55:13 | chrisjj | It is no surprise there are relatively few are interested in Rockbox, given that there's not yet a released stable port. |
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| 22:55:35 | chrisjj | As for testing, well, I see very little enthusiasm around here for testing on /any/ model! :) |
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| 22:56:17 | chrisjj | I think most people interested in testing ZEN Rockbox are on the forum, and when the forum is working properly, I'll ask there. |
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| 22:57:16 | pamaury | there are lots of people interested in Sony players for example |
| 22:57:29 | lebellium | :) |
| 22:57:37 | chrisjj | pamaury, the ZEN OF is relatively good and that reduces the appeal of Rockbox a little. |
| 22:58:04 | chrisjj | Sony players have a very attractive feature. The are on sale new :-) |
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| 22:59:21 | dys | pamaury: so I'm looking up chip datasheets and tracing testpoints, etc. is this the point where one usually goes wiki? |
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| 23:00:18 | lebellium | chrisjj: I don't see what's better in Creative OF compared to Sandisk, Sony, Samsung or Cowon |
| 23:00:20 | pamaury | Sony OF is very decent imo, yet people still want to see rockbox on it. But they are overpriced |
| 23:00:54 | pamaury | dys: yes we usually put info on the wiki |
| 23:01:08 | pamaury | dys: the flash is a FM25Q32 |
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| 23:01:36 | pamaury | I've google a few part of the pcb and they all seem to have documentation |
| 23:01:51 | dys | pamaury: flashrom doesn't know that specific part, but I guess it doesn't matter as long as we only want to read it |
| 23:02:02 | Zen_Rockbox | Just loaded the latest build on my Zen and no problems with battery bench |
| 23:02:04 | lebellium | pamaury: Someone on forum asked this week if the NWZ-A15 features gapless playback. I answered it doesn't but will! :P |
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| 23:02:26 | pamaury | dys: yeah and there is datasheet available so you can get the timing / pinout if really necessary |
| 23:02:56 | pamaury | lebellium: seriously, Sony doesn't have gapless ? I'm kind of sure even the E460 had it |
| 23:03:49 | lebellium | pamaury: almost in MP3. But if you listen of a live album, you can hear a slight gap. I guess they only have gapless playback with Atrac3+ and WAW files |
| 23:03:55 | lebellium | listen to* |
| 23:04:10 | lebellium | WAV* |
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| 23:05:47 | lebellium | now comes Zen_Rockbox to make chrisjj think there are Creative enthusiasts around here :D |
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| 23:06:54 | Zen_Rockbox_ | I've got my Zen in front of me, anything I could test? |
| 23:07:41 | lebellium | yes, test what chrisjj asked for |
| 23:07:49 | lebellium | unless you are chrisjj |
| 23:07:52 | lebellium | \o/ |
| 23:08:10 | Zen_Rockbox_ | Battery bench? |
| 23:08:29 | pamaury | Zen_Rockbox_: is rockbox working on your player, do you get crashes or random power down with the latest build ? |
| 23:09:47 | Zen_Rockbox_ | I was ok, now I've got a white screen when it try to turn it on, had to reset it |
| 23:11:44 | Zen_Rockbox_ | Had the white screen issue before, not a Rockbox issue it seems to fix itself when I charge ot from the Creative power plug |
| 23:13:23 | pamaury | Zen_Rockbox_: white screen on boot is a bootloader problem, I assume you don't have the one with the fix for that |
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| 23:13:34 | pamaury | (Rockbox bootloader problem) |
| 23:14:32 | * | pamaury needs to replace the bootloader link on the wiki with the new one |
| 23:14:51 | chrisjj | lebellium, the Creative ZEN OF has many features not provided by the Sony OF last time I looked. |
| 23:14:51 | Zen_Rockbox_ | you mean the small bootloader with the OF in it, yes I have that on. |
| 23:14:52 | chrisjj | E.g. creation of playlists, track search, user-programmable button and configurable menu are teh ones important to me. Other users value bookmarks. Some even the PIM. |
| 23:15:01 | pamaury | Zen_Rockbox_: so appart from the white screen issue on boot sometimes, it doesn't randomly crash ? |
| 23:15:55 | chrisjj | If Sony's equivalent players' OF has any of these features, or any features absent from Creative's, I'd be interested to know. |
| 23:16:21 | Zen_Rockbox_ | No random crashes at all, but the white on startup, but plugging in the charger seems to fix it, I think its a common Creative Zen problem,. |
| 23:17:28 | dys | pamaury: yikes, it looks like the DAC is hooked up to the cypress SoC, which sports flash-programmable logic |
| 23:18:03 | pamaury | well it's not entirely surprising, if the issue really is the voltage, some parts will work some won't. Except for your "unit N" |
| 23:19:03 | chrisjj | Zen_Rockbox_, white screen is not a problem I've seen on OF on any of the few dozen Creative players I've owned. |
| 23:19:14 | pamaury | dys: does this device have USB DAC mode ? |
| 23:19:25 | Zen_Rockbox_ | Tried resetting a few times with the paper clip, but no dice. I'm gonna have to put on the Zen charger for I but I think It's poor Creative Hardware, pity its a nice player when it works! |
| 23:19:25 | dys | pamaury: it does |
| 23:19:38 | chrisjj | And not on any of the six I've tried on Rockbox.... unless you mean a Data Abort or *PANIC*. Is this white screen showing any black text? |
| 23:19:40 | pamaury | maybe that's what the cypress is used for |
| 23:19:48 | pamaury | because I don't really see the use of it otherwise |
| 23:20:06 | pamaury | and maybe the SoC also has direct access to the audio codec if it wants to |
| 23:21:05 | pamaury | on second thought, the cypress could be use in conjunction with the spdif encoder/decoder (ak4104) |
| 23:21:22 | Zen_Rockbox_ | No totally white a startup no text at all, but Rockbox is running and it plays music ok. |
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| 23:22:02 | pamaury | dys: actually, I think the soc doesn't even have a pcm/i2s peripheral |
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| 23:24:49 | chrisjj | Zen_Rockbox_, you succeed in operating the invisible menu to start music playing? |
| 23:25:43 | pamaury | dys: cratch that, it sports a SPORT (seriously you can't make that up) interface that I believe can do i2s |
| 23:26:12 | pamaury | so maybe the cypress acts as a bridge to send/receive pcm to/from dac/spdif |
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| 23:26:43 | dys | …all crammed into a 8051 with some programmable logic attached. scary |
| 23:27:09 | Zen_Rockbox_ | When I get my Zen working again I'll try and reflash the OF and see if I get a white screen, problem is the issue is a bit random. |
| 23:28:07 | pamaury | dys: yeah, those are a real pain to program. Hopefully you don't have to mess with it, just do what the OF does |
| 23:28:15 | Zen_Rockbox_ | I've got the audio set to auto resume so no need to navigate the menu. |
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| 23:31:12 | chrisjj | Ah, OK. When you come to reflash, here's the latest RB ZEN bootloader I know, and the one that works well for me: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ebre030vx3qp1h/firmware_zen_lcd.nk |
| 23:32:57 | chrisjj | Zen_Rockbox_, re your report that the latest build works, was your ZEN purchased in USA? |
| 23:37:27 | Zen_Rockbox | Thanks I'll try the bootloader, Got the ZEN in the UK off ebay. |
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