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#rockbox log for 2017-01-25

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00:02:34Bilgus_amazoniantoad, here is the basic idea first set your meter to ohms and plug in the cord you will then check each part of the plug (R, L, G) and if the meter reads < 1.00 (NOT -1) then make note of which pin that was on your IPOD flex cable
00:03:30chrisjjAnyone know how to get the current playlist to show on the WPS?
00:04:37Bilgus_actually as cheap as that meter is touch the two probes together and make note of what the display says you shoulkd get something very close when you get the correct pin
00:04:45__builtinI'd be willing to bet that [Saint] does
00:05:15fs-bluebotBuild Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 783c775, 255 builds, 16 clients.
00:10:43chrisjjImproved version: Where can I find a .WPS that shows the current playlist?
00:11:22__builtinthe theme site, I'd imagine
00:11:33__builtinwhere all the other WPS's are ;)
00:12:45chrisjjYou'd think...
00:15:57Bilgus_%pnPlaylist Name (Without path or extension)
00:20:57fs-bluebotBuild Server message: 3Build round completed after 942 seconds.
00:20:58fs-bluebotBuild Server message: 3Revision 783c775 result: All green
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00:23:32chrisjjI don't know what the %pn is for but the linked info worked great: Thanks.
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00:30:29chrisjjBilgus, that doesn't display the whole playlist, but just the upcoming tracks from an offset from the current. Any idea how to display the whole current playlist? 'start' param does not do it AFAICS.
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00:50:31Bilgus_amazoniantoad, ill be back in about two hours
00:51:58Bilgus_oh Do note: that two of the pins will show connected since this is a 4 pin headphone port we'll have to figure that one out later
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01:00:54Bilgus_chrisjj: use a negative offset?
01:01:11chrisjjI tried it.
01:01:46chrisjjIt shows back past Track 1 when Track 1 is playing.
01:02:59chrisjjAFAICT every value of start has the list shifting with play. I want it fixed, from track #1.
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01:05:12chrisjjOK, thanks.
01:05:19__builtinwhat you're asking for seems incredibly useless to me
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01:05:56Bilgus_(because __builtin only has one song? :P)
01:06:25amazoniantoadhey Bilgus_ sorry my mom wanted me to get groceries
01:07:10Bilgus_I'm leaving atm but if you want to check out the instructional pic above ill get back to you from my phone in a while
01:07:24amazoniantoadAll right
01:07:26amazoniantoadwill do
01:10:49__builtinchrisjj: why in the world would anyone care what the playlist looked like from the beginning?
01:11:24__builtinthe only part that should matter are the nearest couple tracks
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01:15:35chrisjj__builtin, perhaps whoever designed %Vp to show e.g. ten tracks can tell you.
01:16:25amazoniantoadBilgus_, I got a reading on R that was much higher than 1. The other two I get no reading from.
01:19:43__builtindo you even know what it is that you want?
01:20:21__builtin%Vp has nothing to do with a fixed playlist view
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01:21:07amazoniantoadBilgus_, or at least it's not high enough to show up I guess
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01:44:40jtdesigns01Hey guys, could I run one of the other sony walkmans ports on the sony walkman nwz e353?
01:45:11jtdesigns01it seems to have very similar inputs/firmware (visually) to the nwz e360
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01:48:30jtdesigns01__builtin, [Saint], pamaury ^
01:48:42__builtinoh hey jtdesigns01
01:48:48__builtinlong time no see :)
01:48:54jtdesigns01lol, yep
01:49:02jtdesigns01this is my brothers device
01:49:22jtdesigns01i broke the touchpad bus on my fuze+
01:49:44__builtinyou should probably wait for pamaury
01:49:52jtdesigns01thats what i was thinking
01:50:04jtdesigns01man, he seems to be behind basically every port
01:50:12__builtinyeah, I know
01:50:34__builtinby the way, check out my new cloak ;)
01:51:41jtdesigns01how do you get those? (not that i deserve one yet :))
01:52:09__builtinwell I got commit access recently
01:53:12jtdesigns01oh, yeah. I remember. I still get *all* the gerrit emails, so i have been able to keep a general idea of where things have been going
01:53:44jtdesigns01but, yeah, not much rb coding from me for a long while
01:54:42__builtinwere you the one behind the SW:DF port?
01:55:00jtdesigns01what there was of it, yes
01:55:48__builtinif you can find a remake that uses SDL 1.2 it ought to save you some work ;)
01:55:48*jtdesigns01 waits for rb to clone and realizes what an impressively large code base rb has
01:56:08jtdesigns01dont think it exists, but how so?
01:56:17__builtinsee g#1521
01:56:19fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #1521 at : 3[WIP] Port of SDL 1.2.15 by Franklin Wei
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01:58:14jtdesigns01dang, thats huge! nice!
01:58:42jtdesigns01thats a big lib to run on a mp3 player!
02:00:23__builtinI take it you haven't seen g#1421 either ;)
02:00:25fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #1421 at : 3Port of Simon Tatham's Puzzle Collection by Franklin Wei
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02:03:44__builtinSDL is bigger when counting lines of code, but most of it isn't actually used
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02:34:31amazoniantoadBilgus_, I'll be back in 30 min
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02:46:45jtdesigns01do you know where i can get a sony bootloader?
02:46:56jtdesigns01__builtin, ^
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02:49:25bilgus_phamazoniantoad: try all of them, one that is connected will show very similar to when you touched the two meter probes together the others will show very high or what the meter displayes when you aren't connected to anything
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02:52:07__builtinthe best answer off the top of my head is "pamaury"
02:52:35__builtinyou mean the OF bootloader, right?
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03:13:04bilgus_ph it could be any of these
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03:49:09amazoniantoadBilgus_, you still there?
04:03:03amazoniantoadBilgus_, I got one R, one L, and two G
04:03:14amazoniantoadSorry about earlier I was eating with the family
04:05:27Bilgus_np I would have figured left would have shown up twice
04:05:53amazoniantoadBilgus_, do I need to test more?
04:05:58amazoniantoadOr is that good?
04:07:20Bilgus_well if It didn't maybe they use something funky but you should be good
04:08:16Bilgus_so I would now take your patch cable and figure out how long it will need to be to reach the bluetooth anywhere in the device and add 3-4 inches or so and cut it
04:08:17amazoniantoadwant me to mark on the image what is what?
04:09:00amazoniantoadK. Also with regard to what you said, you mean plug the aux cord into the bluetooth device and then see how long it needs to be?
04:09:15Bilgus_is the patch cable you bought really thick?
04:09:56amazoniantoadIt's not really thin. Not the thickest either.
04:10:02Bilgus_yep plug it in and get an idea of where it needs to be mounted and add 3 inches or so
04:10:03amazoniantoadBut it is *thicker*
04:10:29amazoniantoadlooking for a program like paint for ubuntu
04:10:34Bilgus_well if it will have problems routing you will need to strip the black sheath further
04:11:09Bilgus_that way you are only dealing with three tiny wires instead of a massive one
04:12:15Bilgus_also the ground wire might be bare so you will need some electrical tape or something really thin like the sleeve of a slightly larger wire to cover it
04:15:09Bilgus_what numbers in this image
04:16:14amazoniantoadBilgus_, excuse the crappy labeling. This software was a bit awkward
04:16:44amazoniantoad1 = R, 2 = L, 7 = G, 8 = G
04:16:55amazoniantoadNvm lol. This was faster
04:17:12amazoniantoadill go get some electrical tape
04:19:31amazoniantoadBilgus_, okay looks like I'm out of electrical tape
04:19:40amazoniantoadI can go buy some later unless I need it right now
04:19:56amazoniantoadIt would be a quick trip though. Earlier there was a bunch of traffic and I had to buy groceries
04:20:28Bilgus_well you won't be putting the device together till you have a new back so not a big deal just be careful it doesn't touch anything in the ipod
04:20:39amazoniantoadHey I messed up.
04:20:50amazoniantoad1 = R, 4 = L, 7 = G, 8 = G
04:21:00Bilgus_so you'll connect your wires to 1, 2 and 8
04:21:16amazoniantoadso I need to cut this aux cable and strip a little bit?
04:23:34amazoniantoadBilgus_, ?
04:24:57Bilgus_well first i'd mockup everything in its final places
04:25:38Bilgus_then add 3 inches or so cut it and strip off the end about 2 inches or whatever you need to route it properly
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04:29:43amazoniantoadwell this aux cable may have too long of a stem on the end of it
04:29:56amazoniantoadbut it might work so ill move ahead
04:30:35amazoniantoadlet me go get some wire strippers
04:30:50Bilgus_now once you have that ready get your soldering iron, wet paper towel (or a small piece of kitchen sponge), your flux, rubbing alcohol, and the other end of the headphone cord, you are gong to plug the waste end of the headphone cord into the ipod to act as a heat sink
04:31:09Bilgus_rather than wire strippers use a lighter on the black sheath
04:31:42Bilgus_just give it a second or so of fire and pull the other end
04:31:57Bilgus_wire strippers will cut into the internal wires
04:32:24Bilgus_but you will probably need them for the small wires although I like a lighter on those as well
04:33:36Bilgus_so once you get your wires ready approx 1/2 inch of actual bare wire and 1.5 inches of wire with no sheath ( or more if nec.)
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04:35:28Bilgus_heat up soldering iron till the solder melts on it when touched dip it in the flux ,then melt a good amount of solder on the tip of the soldering iron (1-2" or solder)
04:35:41Bilgus_of solder*
04:36:04Bilgus_try and get a nice silver coat on the first 1/4 or so of the tip
04:37:00Bilgus_and then wipe it on the wet paper towel or sponge
04:39:26Bilgus_next we will set up the wire for tinning, so get the bare wires and one at a time dip them into the flux, next touch them to the tip of the soldering iron at the same time holding the solder on the wire just above the iron, take care not to coat the whole wire to the point that the solder flows under the remaining sheath as this will make them prone to breaking, and repeat
04:40:14amazoniantoadlet me get the solder gun ready
04:40:18fIorz(just don't use any sponge that would melt at the temperatures, which most probably would? =:-)
04:40:28Bilgus_is it a solder gun or pencil iron?
04:40:56Bilgus_any sponge works except foam rubber it is wet afterall
04:42:43amazoniantoadpencil iron
04:42:54amazoniantoadit is long an pointy...not like a glue gun
04:43:28Bilgus_K I was gonna say a solder gun will probably be a bit of a PITA
04:43:58Bilgus_is this a multi temp iron or a single temp type IE not adjustable?
04:44:50amazoniantoadUhm. it looks pretty cheap. You just plug it in
04:44:52Bilgus_you will probably want a Q-tip or a chop stick or something to apply flux
04:44:59amazoniantoadBilgus_, there is something i forgot to tell you about the bluetooth
04:45:06amazoniantoadLet me take a picture of what I think might be an issue
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04:46:50amazoniantoadThis white stuff is where the battery is connected
04:47:00amazoniantoadalso, I think I need to get some wiring like that. I don't know what kind though
04:47:34Bilgus_can you take a pic of the wire inside the patch cable?
04:48:27Bilgus_the white stuff is probably hot melt glue or epoxy you should be able to flake it off but for the moment we will leave the battery connected till after you test this step
04:49:13Bilgus_as long as the wire in the patch cable is decent we can use the remainder in the other half of the patch cable for power
04:53:04Bilgus_Btw if it is hot melt glue with your iron cool wrap some aluminum foil on the tip and use it to heat the stuff up and wipe it off I use my fingers but you'll probably want to use paper towel as it will burn the shit out of you
04:54:36Bilgus_for tinning the wires you can also get a big glob of solder on the iron tip and just toch the wire tip to the glob
04:55:56amazoniantoadBilgus_, just setting everything up
04:56:22Bilgus_np i'm doing other stuff I just listen for the ding
04:56:38furrywolfyay, 13504 tracks in the playlist, and it still works.
04:58:09furrywolfslow playlist scrolling issue kicks in at track 4200
04:58:20furrywolfwaiting no longer makes it work
04:59:58furrywolfby track 4275 it takes about two seconds to scroll down each line
05:02:36amazoniantoadDoes this look appropriate?
05:03:22furrywolfhrmm! it's the same tracks that were causing to scroll very slowly before. they're just in a different place in the new playlist.
05:03:32furrywolfthere's something about the filenames breaking scrolling.
05:03:34Bilgus_yeah it looks decent enough, also befor you tin those wires twist each one a bit to get it all nice and tight around its self
05:03:36amazoniantoadBilgus_, I tightened the wires up a bit after this pic
05:03:36furrywolfor metadata, or something
05:04:08amazoniantoadokay so first target is....1
05:04:26amazoniantoadSo one is R, so is it the red wire on my aux cord Bilgus_?
05:04:52amazoniantoadrubbing alcohol
05:04:55Bilgus_ok i'd say you are ready to tin them take care not to have the solder under the sheath, you want the wire to be flexible where it isn't soldered, yes Red should be R white will be L and bare is Gnd
05:05:58Bilgus_also get something like a piece of cardboard or a few pieces of paper to protect your table
05:06:31Bilgus_furrywolf what are the file names?
05:07:22furrywolflong. very long.
05:07:31furrywolfmeh, I can't type today.
05:08:16furrywolfone of the longer ones is Various - Flower Power - Age of Aquarius - Disc 2 - 12 - Melanie with the Edwin Hawkins Singers - Lay Down (Candles in the Rain).mp3
05:08:58furrywolfdoes something process long filenames very slowly?
05:09:11furrywolfn2 time or worse.
05:09:55amazoniantoadBilgus_, no rubbing alcohol
05:10:20Bilgus_well it was just to clean the board and the flux after so not that big of a deal
05:11:00Bilgus_can you take a pic of your flux and solder so I can verify it is the right stuff
05:12:18amazoniantoadsolder is ready i think
05:14:24Bilgus_yep thats the right flux
05:14:46Bilgus_make sure you dip the iron in the flux and tin the iron tip
05:15:08amazoniantoadBilgus_, dip it in flux while it is hot? What do you mean "tin" it?
05:15:25Bilgus_yep dip while it is hot it'll smoke some
05:15:45amazoniantoadwhat do you mean tin?
05:15:47Bilgus_tin it means get a thin layer of solder on it till it looks like the pic I posted above
05:16:31amazoniantoadWill it remain that way for long?
05:16:36Bilgus_furry wold I wonder if there are any non utf 8 chars in that name or the length is causing the issue
05:16:39amazoniantoadOr will i need to tin it constantly?
05:17:08Bilgus_it will need tinned every so often basically when it stops looking shiny
05:17:25amazoniantoadso dip the iron tip in flux first and then tin it?
05:17:36Bilgus_you will wipe it on the wet paper towel or sponge after every time you do a solder joint
05:17:51Bilgus_yes dip it in flux first then tin it
05:18:07Bilgus_the flux will make it easier to tin
05:18:55Bilgus_furrywolf* ^
05:19:36furrywolfno, only normal ascii
05:19:50amazoniantoadBilgus_, so a problem I'm having is that the solder is rolling away from the solder iron while I try to rub it on
05:20:26Bilgus_keep trying till it finally sticks
05:20:33Bilgus_thats why we tin it
05:21:59Bilgus_if you have to make a ball of solder place it on something that won't melt and ghold the iron in it
05:22:42Bilgus_and then wipe it on wet towel
05:27:11Bilgus_If you still havent gotten it get a 2" ball of aluminim foil and poke it in it a few times while twisting re dip in flux and try again
05:27:37amazoniantoadBilgus_, how long should this process take?
05:27:41amazoniantoaddoesn't seem to be working
05:28:01Bilgus_on a new iron probably 5 mins
05:28:14amazoniantoadthen im not doing it right
05:28:47Bilgus_get a ball of aluminum foil and twist to rough it up a bit
05:29:22Bilgus_i'm sure a cheap iron like that has a cheap tip
05:29:55Bilgus_be careful the foil will heat up fast
05:30:12Bilgus_also you will need to let the iron reheat a bit after
05:32:53amazoniantoadBilgus_, how is this?
05:33:12Bilgus_looks good but add a bit more
05:33:31Bilgus_it should be shiny and then wipe it on the wet towel
05:34:04Bilgus_might also dip it in the flux again too that'll slow down the oxidation that makes it not shiny
05:34:37Bilgus_ok so next one wire at a time dip in flux and tin the wire tips
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05:35:43Bilgus_so be sure to get it tinned within 1/4 " of the sheath but not under the sheath
05:37:06Bilgus_next bend the 1/4 left into a small c shape like the same diameter as the pads we will be soldering to or slightly smaller
05:42:01amazoniantoadIs this good?
05:42:26Bilgus_good enough
05:43:15amazoniantoadso hold the solder to 1 with red wire? what is the order in which I release the solder gun v. solder?
05:43:18amazoniantoadsolder first?
05:47:25Bilgus_did you tin the wires yet?
05:47:50Bilgus_oh ok
05:48:22Bilgus_there is the basic layout be sure the headphone port can fold back in place properly
05:49:14Bilgus_next assuming you already trimmed the wires to length and everything take your qtip and put a little blob of flux on the first Flex cable pad
05:49:38Bilgus_do note you need to put in the waste end of the patch cable in the port
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05:49:59Bilgus_that way we don't metlt the headphone port
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05:50:24amazoniantoadso put a little bit of flux on each part?
05:51:23Bilgus_do it one at a time stuff is messy
05:51:28Bilgus_now in devices that are newer they use lead free solder so first you will heat the original blob of solder up with the flux and hold your new solder there too
05:51:52Bilgus_till it melts to it also add some more solder to your tip first
05:52:19Bilgus_then take the iron and wipe it off on the towel add a little more solder and do it once more
05:52:32Bilgus_now we are talking about 5-10 seconds here
05:52:52Bilgus_if it is taking longer than that you need to add more solder to the iron tip first
05:53:24amazoniantoadlet me show you the amount I put on. I also put it on all 3 spots assuming it was all right
05:53:54Bilgus_add more flux in between as well
05:54:00amazoniantoadbtw. I was wrong earlier it was 1 = R, 4 = L, 7 = G, 8 = G
05:54:12amazoniantoadonly one was different
05:55:25Bilgus_as long as you know that is what counts
05:55:54amazoniantoadIs that too much?
05:56:09Bilgus_nah thats fine
05:56:28amazoniantoadokay so you said to heat up the solder already there?
05:56:34amazoniantoadhow long will that take?
05:56:53Bilgus_wipe it down with a towel when you get finished and some 90% alcohol once you get some
05:57:03Bilgus_5-10 sec
05:57:15Bilgus_get a good blob on your iron first
05:57:31Bilgus_that is what helps transfer the heat
05:57:51amazoniantoadso blob the solder iron, hold the solder there for 5-10 seconds, then apply the wire? What about my solder?
05:58:00Bilgus_basically we are trying to get rid of that lead free stuff and get some of or leaded stuff on there
05:58:09Bilgus_no wire yet
05:58:24amazoniantoadSo just heat it up? Will it retain the heat?
05:58:42Bilgus_again get a good blob on iron
05:59:29Bilgus_once it starts combining wipe the iron or just shake it over a piece of paper
05:59:34amazoniantoadit's just melting off
06:00:18Bilgus_then shake iron hold the very tip to the original and touch your new solder to it
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06:00:46Bilgus_this is why we want to get some fresh solder on it
06:01:13furrywolfwe have different soldering methods. heh.
06:01:56amazoniantoadBilgus_, brb
06:02:17Bilgus_that might give you a bit of insight
06:02:33amazoniantoadthanks. Will watch it in a min. Have to go help my parents
06:03:14furrywolfI never have a blob on the iron tip. it's tinned, wiped, then touched to the joint wet not blobbed. solder applied to a different part of the joint, and melted by the joint, not the tip.
06:03:56Bilgus_when you are removing the lead free crap you have to get some new stuff in there first
06:04:30furrywolfwhen I'm removing any crap, I grab the solder sucker. :)
06:04:43Bilgus_me too but...
06:04:49Bilgus_or solder wick
06:04:58furrywolfor the braid. or I fire up the vacuum desoldering station...
06:05:21furrywolfI don't normally use the vacuum station because it's a piece of crap that breaks about every five minutes, so I have to make sure I _really_ need it. heh.
06:05:55Bilgus_I have this nice manual sucker that is an iron too thing is probably older than me
06:06:54furrywolfmine's an GE unit from the '80s or so... the iron design sucks (and doesn't suck), with solder solidifying in its internal passages... so I get about twenty joints, then I have to hit it with a propane torch while under vacuum to get the solder actually out of it.
06:07:20Bilgus_also amazoniantoad since you have a low power soldering iron this is actually harder and more prone to overheating
06:07:50furrywolfyeah, that soldering iron is fucking garbage, and does not deserve to exist.
06:08:15Bilgus_huh mine has this chamber with i'm guessing fiberglass or asbestos in it
06:09:01furrywolfmine uses a long steel tube section that's part of the iron, to get it cool enough where the rubber hose attaches... and, dur, if you let it cool, the solder is going to clog up.
06:09:27furrywolfso every time it clogs I have to heat the tube/handle section up with the propane torch
06:09:40Bilgus_I rebuilt it with rtv silicone DIY rings bc I couldn't find the proper size
06:11:34furrywolfI think most of the problem is the vacuum system design. when you press the trigger, it starts the vacuum pump, causing a slow buildup of vacuum, which moves the solder slowly and lets it solidify in the iron. I keep meaning to re-engineer it so the pump maintains vacuum in a reservoir, and the trigger opens a solenoid valve. hopefully then the sudden full vacuum will move the solder fast enough it doesn't cool in the iron.
06:11:55Bilgus_like this one
06:13:24furrywolfthat's cute.
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06:13:36Bilgus_handy little bastard
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06:14:16furrywolfI recently bought one of the cheapo chinese hot air stations... haven't used it yet.
06:14:45furrywolfI was thinking a repair was going to involve replacing a many-legged chip, which I wanted hot air for... turned out the actual problem was the capacitor next to the chip.
06:14:54furrywolfwhich I did with my 140W weller. lol
06:15:16furrywolf(many-legged surface mount chip)
06:15:32Bilgus_I think my weller is 50 watts or so Idk its so old you can only read weller
06:16:06furrywolfpistol grip or pencil tip?
06:16:10*Bilgus_ seeks out old tools
06:16:15Bilgus_pencil tip
06:16:41Bilgus_I have a weller gun type but I haven't used it since probably 1996
06:16:47furrywolfyeah, 50W is around the right range for old weller pencil tips.
06:17:21furrywolfmy vacuum station uses an iron setup similar to . with the way it slowly builds up vacuum, the solder solidifies in the upper tube.
06:18:16Bilgus_ah I see probably just needs a vac pump with more volume but then needs a bigger element lol
06:18:27furrywolfno, it needs a non-brain-damaged design.
06:18:50furrywolfthe vacuum pump is normally off, and there's air in the lines. when you press the trigger, it starts the pump running, and begins evacuating the lines and filter.
06:19:23furrywolfa smart design would keep the pump running, with a reservoir pumped down, and use a solenoid valve to switch the vacuum to the iron. then it'd suddenly have full vacuum.
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06:24:25furrywolfof course, this design adds a reservoir, a solenoid valve to switch vacuum to the iron, and either a continuous duty pump, or a vacuum switch to cycle the pump, plus a higher-quality pump that starts under vacuum (the one in it does not) or an unloader valve...
06:25:17amazoniantoadBilgus_, hey im back. Re evaluating the wire layout. brb
06:25:24furrywolf one of those looks nice. :)
06:25:43Bilgus_wipe iron again and retin
06:26:10furrywolfthey put the collection chamber directly on top of the iron, with no tube.
06:31:26Bilgus_amazoniantoad, I hope you put that unused headphone tip in there we want somewhere for the heat to go
06:33:36furrywolfbbl, wolfy bedtime
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06:48:57amazoniantoadBilgus_, I'm going to buy different solder tomorrow
06:49:05amazoniantoadThe kind that came with the gun just doesn't get hot enough
06:49:46amazoniantoadI'm going to go try to buy rosin core solder
06:49:47Bilgus_doesn't get hot enough? thatd be the gun not the solder
06:50:09amazoniantoadI may have to buy a different gun
06:50:09Bilgus_huh that should be rosin core solder
06:50:18amazoniantoadthe side melts the solder but the tip doesn't
06:50:28amazoniantoadBilgus_, ah. I didn't know if it was or not
06:50:30Bilgus_well I would say yeah but a decent gun is going to be 30-50
06:50:58Bilgus_well iron, not gun
06:51:38Bilgus_that is def a function of the iron is it like a 15w iron or maybe a 30?
06:51:48amazoniantoadidk tbh
06:51:54amazoniantoadWhat kind of gun should I look for?
06:52:00amazoniantoadI just couldn't do much with this one
06:52:08Bilgus_at lowes hmm let me look
06:52:29amazoniantoadSpeaking of which this wire looks like it will snap off from the audiojack if it gets moved around.
06:52:41amazoniantoadIs there nothing to hold this wire in place? Like that white stuff I showed you earlier?
06:52:49amazoniantoadI think it would be really useful in this instance
06:53:48Bilgus_i'd hot melt glue it when all done
06:54:01amazoniantoadgood idea
06:54:06Bilgus_that and try and get that white cover to snap bvack on
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06:54:22amazoniantoadthat will just take some adhesive
06:54:27Bilgus_lowes has shit for irons even the weller they list is junk
06:55:15Bilgus_what else do you have near you ACE hardware or something?
06:55:48Bilgus_also never buy leadfree solder the lead is what makes it work
06:56:25dongslol wuuuut
06:56:30dongs>never buy lead free
06:56:32dongswaht year is this
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06:57:24Bilgus_oh shit more lead in your water than the fumes from 10 solder joints
06:58:47Bilgus_leadfree solder is 1 hard to flow 2 less robust ( read brittle ) and 3 grows tin whiskers that short the stuff out over time
06:59:47Bilgus_ <- tin whiskers
07:02:19Bilgus_what I saw in this article just skimming it should fill you in
07:03:12dongsi work wiht pcb production and assembly. i think i know just a bit about it.
07:03:57Bilgus_then you should know or were you being facetious?
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07:26:05amazoniantoadHey sorry Bilgus_ I was doing something. I'll start back up tomorrow and let you know about my progress if you're in here.
07:26:09amazoniantoadThanks a lot for your help today
07:26:15amazoniantoadMVP lel
07:26:46Bilgus_np try to get a decent soldering iron 30w+ it'll make it less like to ruin the thing
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10:24:53pamauryjtdesigns01 (logs): yes the E350 series will be supported (but not because it looks like the E360, because it looks like the E450 :-p)
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11:54:42wodzpamaury: Did you push nwz bootloader update to allow scripts run?
11:57:12pamaurywodz: ah no sorry I forgot
11:59:32pamaurywodz: but if you want to a quick hack, you can do the following: get g#1481, and in bootloader/nwz_linx.c, line 250, replace:
11:59:32pamaury execvp("/usr/local/bin/mptapp", argv);
11:59:34fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #1481 at : 3Initial commit for the Sony NWZ linux port and NWZ-E460 (WIP) by Amaury Pouly
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12:00:25pamaury execlp("bash", "/contents/");
12:00:59pamaurythen compile the bootloader and install it. Now in the bootloader menu, if you select Debug Tools, it will run at the root of the internal storage
12:02:50pamaurywodz: I'll push my code this afternoon
12:03:19wodzpamaury: Ok.
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12:38:17chrisjjpamaury, re your request for test of ZEN daily build: I've run 28bf763-170121 for total 66hrs so far on two units (G and Q) on external power. Result is one BSoPO and no other fails.
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14:04:08pamaury_chrisjj: thanks, I will send you a new build with a tweak to VDD voltage to see if that helps
14:04:19pamaury_wodz: I updated g#1481 with the run script menu
14:04:21fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #1481 at : 3Initial commit for the Sony NWZ linux port and NWZ-E460 (WIP) by Amaury Pouly
14:05:00pamaury_wodz: go to Tools menu > run script: you get a list of all files at the root of the device, select your favorite file and run it. At the moment it runs the file using sh: "sh <file>"
14:05:32pamaury_note that it's busybox sh, ie very strict and has minimal features
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14:05:50pamaury_if you don't redirect the output, the output will go to rockbox.log at the root of the device
14:06:03pamaury_the interface is a bit crude but it should be usable ;)
14:06:09wodzpamaury_: Thanks. I will not have time tonight probably but messing with this is high on my todo list
14:06:35pamaury_ if I find time tonight, I'll try playing with aplay (haha)
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14:20:29chrisjjpamaury: Thanks. Note I have not yet tested on internal power. When I did that on previous recent builds, failure rate was much higher, esp.on near-empty battery. Let's see your voltage-tweak build on external results before going to internal.
14:39:59fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #1533 at : 3zen/zenxfi: adjust maximum emi voltage by Amaury Pouly
14:40:10pamaury_it's completely untested, I didn't even try it on the xfi
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15:43:05chrisjjpamaury, Got it. 8fec364f6-170125. Running fine one three units so far. And showing 18% LED - thanks.
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16:56:44chrisjjs/ Running fine one three units/ Running fine on three units/ (FTR, units G, L and P)
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17:46:38chrisjjpamaury, Is ZEN rockbox setting chip voltage to the same value as the OF? Or to a value determined by trial and error? Or what?
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17:47:32pamauryI follow the manual
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18:41:51chrisjjSounds wise ;-) Does this tweak take the voltage /to/ the manual's reccommendation, or away from it?
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19:05:37pamaurychrisjj: back to the manual, it's the commit that disabled memory frequency scaling that introduced the mistake
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19:09:24MikeYediI have an ipod 4th gen greyscale and it stalls when playing music.
19:10:19MikeYediThe music stops every few seconds and the IPod will not accept any input from its buttons
19:10:56MikeYediIs this typical, and if so what can I do to negate the issue?
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19:11:59MikeYediIt seems allmost as if I am overloading the CPU with audio enhancements. I have tried a few different versions.
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19:14:20pamauryMikeYedi: I know about ipods but if you want people to help, I suggest you specify the codec you are using
19:14:44pamauryalso try by resetting all settings and see if the problem persists (you can save them first to not loose them)
19:15:13MikeYediMP3, FLAC and M4a all have this issue.
19:16:30MikeYediIt is behaving like the CPU is overloaded and causing stuttering and stalls. Removing the audio enhancements fixes this issue.
19:17:45MikeYediOne secound let me verify that flac has this issue.
19:19:00pamaurywhich audio enhancements do you use ?
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19:19:37MikeYediWell it crashed when building directory *PANIC* Dir entry 16 in sector 1 CB21 is not free! 32 CD 33 CE pc:00064C50 sp:000DD638 bt end
19:19:41pamauryif you are using the equalizer with many bands, you can easily overload the cpu on those devices
19:19:58MikeYediyes equaliser with dithering
19:20:04pamaurysounds like you file system is corrupted
19:20:12pamaury(for the panic)
19:20:35MikeYediAlso haas surround and perceptual bass enhancement. with no EQ
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19:20:52pamauryWell I can only suggest that you reduce the number of effects, your device only has the cpu it has ;)
19:21:13MikeYediIt fails to boot rockbox semi frequently is this normal?
19:22:00MikeYediOK which formats do you think would be the most demanding to decode? Which effects are the most CPU intensive?
19:22:05pamauryprobably not, it may be related to the panic if you have a corrupted fat, I'm not sure
19:23:31pamauryMikeYedi: I'm not the audio guy ;) See
19:23:47MikeYedii have tried to reinstall rockbox a few times but the intermittent boot failure still persists Are you saying I should reformat the whole drive? Or would error checking suffice?
19:24:05pamauryipod4g uses Portal Player cpu
19:25:48pamauryMikeYedi: do error checking to at least rule out that possibility
19:26:12pamauryotherwise you'll have to wait for someone who knows ipod4g, prof_wolfff maybe ?
19:27:19MikeYediOK I will now. I do not see that CPU listed on that page.
19:27:46MikeYedinvm found it
19:28:31MikeYediHow would you suggest I clean the 30pin dock on this ipod?
19:31:36MikeYediWhat am I looking at hear with the decode performance chart?
19:32:41MikeYediI see % realtimeDecode time 41.76MHz118.68%
19:33:56MikeYediIs the MHZ rating how stressing it is on the CPU while the % realtime is the decode time compared to track runtime?
19:34:24pamaurythe percent basically tells you how much faster it is compared to real time. 100% means you can decode in in real time but barely. 50% means you cpu is way too slow. 200% means you cpu is working only half of the time
19:36:25MikeYediOk fair enough. Thank you for your help. I suppose I will be converting all my files to FLAC
19:36:33pamauryso for example: lame_096.mp3 Decode time - 34.01s 517.37% realtime −−> MP3 decoding is very cheap, you cpu is sleeping for of the time (500%)
19:36:33pamaurynero_096.m4a Decode time - 62.76s 280.36% realtime −−> M4A decoding is twice more expensive than MP3 but still fast.
19:36:33pamaurylac_5.flac Decode time - 25.29s 695.53% realtime −−> suggest FLAC is also very cheap
19:36:52pamauryMikeYedi: but audio effects are much more expensive
19:37:11pamauryyou should not use all of them at once I think
19:38:06MikeYediYeah I understand this is from 2005. You guys do great work.
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19:39:05MikeYediOhh last question. I installed a high capacity battery and the ipod refuses to turn on at times with a battery error icon.
19:40:20Bilgus_phAs for the dock connector look for a product called DEOXIT pricy but worth it or in a pinch 90% rubbing alcohol
19:40:35pamaurydoes your battery have the same characteristics as the old one ?
19:40:50MikeYediIt will sometimes refuse to boot for 20-30 mins. When it does my charge is not low at all.
19:41:13MikeYediSame voltage & connector higher capacity.
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19:41:45dysyay, the key tool to removing the acryl/display was a wall hanger suction cap borrowed from the kitchen
19:42:13MikeYediI love deoxit but an currently out. Tried rubbing alcohol to no avail.
19:43:06MikeYediCould it be an issue with the ipod bootloader not fully supporting the higher capacity battery?
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19:49:03MikeYediI am assuming no one knows the answer to this, to be clear this is exactly what happens.
19:52:12MikeYediAlso just got boot error again Error! Can't load rockbox,ipod : Bad checksum Insert usb calbe or hold MENU+SELECT to (reboot I assume?)
19:53:19MikeYediIt does this quite infrequently and allmost allways works on reset.
19:53:49MikeYediMy other one of these does this too.
20:01:58MikeYediOk well thank you for your help. I will now go.
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20:42:32johnb3Question on GIT: After I have done "git clone git:// ~/Desktop/rockbox", how do I update to the latest with just downloading the deltas?
20:42:36chrisjjpamaury: OK. Is memDFS off in this build?
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20:45:38pamaurychrisjj: yes
20:45:47chrisjjThanks. Is reset by watchdog off in this build?
20:45:47pamaurymemory is stuck at 64Mhz
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20:45:59chrisjjOK, thanks.
20:46:12pamauryany crash so far ?
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20:51:59johnb3nm, found it: git fetch ...
20:52:52Bilgus_phAmazoniantoad i seriously doubt it is the solder beginners always have problems with low powered irons. But if you want to try get rosin core 60/40 or 63/47 electronics solder in the smallest size possible
20:53:36Bilgus_phA small tube will get you a long way
20:54:53chrisjjNo crash/BSoPO so far. That's in 5hrs x three units, albeit not including the crashiest unit here (Q), which I shall add soon.
20:54:57Bilgus_ph63/37 sorry
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21:00:36Bilgus_phSmallest size is probably confusing. I mean smallest gauge possible like .07 pencil lead or smaller..
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21:14:38pamaury_dys: any progress on the firmware ?
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21:27:49dyspamaury: no, but I gave taking it apart another try. What did the trick was a suction cup hook borrowed from the kitchen :-)
21:28:13dyspamaury: I'm currently cleaning the markings of the chips and making a decent picture of the PCB
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22:02:12chrisjjpamaury, Do you want details of Data Aborts from the voltage fix ZEN build, on the unit (N) here that suffered coloured dots on lcd_fix (45697a0bf-161212) but on recent builds fails with a DA upon start-up?
22:06:56pamaurychrisjj: you sentence is particularly obscure, or I'm missing some context here
22:08:14pamaurydid the latest build I sent you failed on some device ?
22:08:46chrisjjOne ZEN unit (N) here ram RB lcd_fix (45697a0bf-161212) but suffered colours dots on screen. An a few subsequent builds it failed with a data abort upon each start-up. On the current voltage fix build it fails with a data abort upon each start-up.
22:08:47chrisjjDo you want the details of this data abort?
22:10:46pamaurypossibly, if that's the data abort from build 8fec364f that I sent you
22:10:59pamauryso only unit N failed with the voltage fix ?
22:13:39chrisjjYes, of five units tested, only this one, unit N, failed. And the fail is not like previous fails possibly attributed to the voltage issue. Is it not a BSoPO in play. It is a data abort on most start-ups.
22:14:03pamauryok, that's interesting, can you take a picture of the data abort ?
22:14:47chrisjjAs you may recall, I tried but the white background blinds my web and phone cameras.
22:15:21pamauryah yeah, can you copy the text ? What I care about is the pc: XXXX value and the backtrace below
22:15:22chrisjjBTW, the DA pc is difference each time on the six fails I've observed.
22:15:44pamauryit doesn't matter, maybe it can be helpful anyway (or not, we'll see)
22:15:52chrisjjOK, typing...
22:16:22chrisjjIs a DA with largest stack trace more useful than DA with smallest?
22:17:18pamauryin general yes but that's not always the case
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22:22:11chrisjjpamaury: Here you og:
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22:24:54pamaurythis is not very helpful, it fails in the middle of a gui update, not very informative, sounds more like random to me. But we already know that this unit is weird
22:27:51chrisjjWe already know this unit runs RB with a different degree of success w.r.t. other units. Yet runs the OF equally well as other units. Perhaps the fact it's the only one purchased in the US is significant.
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22:30:02chrisjjAbout one in five launches succeed. I tried one success further, and found all menu commands I tried work, and music plays. Only when I tried to launch battery_bench was there a fail - BSoPO.
22:30:13pamaurychrisjj: do you have linux ?
22:33:07dysthe spi flash is in a case without leads, but there are testpoints around that seem usable
22:33:17pamauryI will think about an easy way for you to dump all registers after creative's bootloader, see if this unit has something that stands out
22:33:34pamauryat least it seems the voltage fix is a real voltage
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22:38:52chrisjj'real voltage'?
22:40:25pamauryreal fix
22:40:57gevaertsYes. Voltage is a quantum phenomenon, and as such is expressed in complex numbers. This particular fix only deals with the real number component of that
22:41:13chrisjjGot you. Agreed.
22:41:45pamaurygevaerts: but is the world really real ?
22:42:35gevaertsI've looked at it, and it looks a bit different from the square root of minus one
22:42:52gevaertsSo it must be
22:43:56chrisjjInteresting about Unit N's crash upon launching battery_bench is that the BSoPO is immediately preceded by 200ms of shifting white jagged diagonal lines on black background, and I've seen no such behaviour from RB before.
22:44:27chrisjjGot you pamaury - not gevaerts! :-)
22:45:23pamauryit definitely has something different, maybe it's a different, more bug, silicon version of stmp3700, or the ram is different
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22:48:34chrisjjAnyone else here with a Creative ZEN bought in USA that would care to try the latest build?
22:49:50lebelliumchrisjj: why do you persist to hink somebody is interested in Creative players?
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22:53:14lebelliumThere are over 100 people around here and everytime you ask for other people to test, nobody replies. That's it
22:54:19chrisjjThe reason I think there are people interested in Creative players is that many were sold... and continue to be sold on eBay.
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22:54:56pamauryapparently they don't want to put rockbox on it....
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22:55:13chrisjjIt is no surprise there are relatively few are interested in Rockbox, given that there's not yet a released stable port.
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22:55:35chrisjjAs for testing, well, I see very little enthusiasm around here for testing on /any/ model! :)
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22:56:17chrisjjI think most people interested in testing ZEN Rockbox are on the forum, and when the forum is working properly, I'll ask there.
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22:57:16pamaurythere are lots of people interested in Sony players for example
22:57:37chrisjjpamaury, the ZEN OF is relatively good and that reduces the appeal of Rockbox a little.
22:58:04chrisjjSony players have a very attractive feature. The are on sale new :-)
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22:59:21dyspamaury: so I'm looking up chip datasheets and tracing testpoints, etc. is this the point where one usually goes wiki?
23:00:18lebelliumchrisjj: I don't see what's better in Creative OF compared to Sandisk, Sony, Samsung or Cowon
23:00:20pamaurySony OF is very decent imo, yet people still want to see rockbox on it. But they are overpriced
23:00:54pamaurydys: yes we usually put info on the wiki
23:01:08pamaurydys: the flash is a FM25Q32
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23:01:36pamauryI've google a few part of the pcb and they all seem to have documentation
23:01:51dyspamaury: flashrom doesn't know that specific part, but I guess it doesn't matter as long as we only want to read it
23:02:02Zen_RockboxJust loaded the latest build on my Zen and no problems with battery bench
23:02:04lebelliumpamaury: Someone on forum asked this week if the NWZ-A15 features gapless playback. I answered it doesn't but will! :P
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23:02:26pamaurydys: yeah and there is datasheet available so you can get the timing / pinout if really necessary
23:02:56pamaurylebellium: seriously, Sony doesn't have gapless ? I'm kind of sure even the E460 had it
23:03:49lebelliumpamaury: almost in MP3. But if you listen of a live album, you can hear a slight gap. I guess they only have gapless playback with Atrac3+ and WAW files
23:03:55lebelliumlisten to*
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23:05:47lebelliumnow comes Zen_Rockbox to make chrisjj think there are Creative enthusiasts around here :D
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23:06:54Zen_Rockbox_I've got my Zen in front of me, anything I could test?
23:07:41lebelliumyes, test what chrisjj asked for
23:07:49lebelliumunless you are chrisjj
23:08:10Zen_Rockbox_Battery bench?
23:08:29pamauryZen_Rockbox_: is rockbox working on your player, do you get crashes or random power down with the latest build ?
23:09:47Zen_Rockbox_I was ok, now I've got a white screen when it try to turn it on, had to reset it
23:11:44Zen_Rockbox_Had the white screen issue before, not a Rockbox issue it seems to fix itself when I charge ot from the Creative power plug
23:13:23pamauryZen_Rockbox_: white screen on boot is a bootloader problem, I assume you don't have the one with the fix for that
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23:13:34pamaury(Rockbox bootloader problem)
23:14:32*pamaury needs to replace the bootloader link on the wiki with the new one
23:14:51chrisjjlebellium, the Creative ZEN OF has many features not provided by the Sony OF last time I looked.
23:14:51Zen_Rockbox_you mean the small bootloader with the OF in it, yes I have that on.
23:14:52chrisjjE.g. creation of playlists, track search, user-programmable button and configurable menu are teh ones important to me. Other users value bookmarks. Some even the PIM.
23:15:01pamauryZen_Rockbox_: so appart from the white screen issue on boot sometimes, it doesn't randomly crash ?
23:15:55chrisjjIf Sony's equivalent players' OF has any of these features, or any features absent from Creative's, I'd be interested to know.
23:16:21Zen_Rockbox_No random crashes at all, but the white on startup, but plugging in the charger seems to fix it, I think its a common Creative Zen problem,.
23:17:28dyspamaury: yikes, it looks like the DAC is hooked up to the cypress SoC, which sports flash-programmable logic
23:18:03pamaurywell it's not entirely surprising, if the issue really is the voltage, some parts will work some won't. Except for your "unit N"
23:19:03chrisjjZen_Rockbox_, white screen is not a problem I've seen on OF on any of the few dozen Creative players I've owned.
23:19:14pamaurydys: does this device have USB DAC mode ?
23:19:25Zen_Rockbox_Tried resetting a few times with the paper clip, but no dice. I'm gonna have to put on the Zen charger for I but I think It's poor Creative Hardware, pity its a nice player when it works!
23:19:25dyspamaury: it does
23:19:38chrisjj And not on any of the six I've tried on Rockbox.... unless you mean a Data Abort or *PANIC*. Is this white screen showing any black text?
23:19:40pamaurymaybe that's what the cypress is used for
23:19:48pamaurybecause I don't really see the use of it otherwise
23:20:06pamauryand maybe the SoC also has direct access to the audio codec if it wants to
23:21:05pamauryon second thought, the cypress could be use in conjunction with the spdif encoder/decoder (ak4104)
23:21:22Zen_Rockbox_No totally white a startup no text at all, but Rockbox is running and it plays music ok.
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23:22:02pamaurydys: actually, I think the soc doesn't even have a pcm/i2s peripheral
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23:24:49chrisjjZen_Rockbox_, you succeed in operating the invisible menu to start music playing?
23:25:43pamaurydys: cratch that, it sports a SPORT (seriously you can't make that up) interface that I believe can do i2s
23:26:12pamauryso maybe the cypress acts as a bridge to send/receive pcm to/from dac/spdif
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23:26:43dys…all crammed into a 8051 with some programmable logic attached. scary
23:27:09Zen_Rockbox_When I get my Zen working again I'll try and reflash the OF and see if I get a white screen, problem is the issue is a bit random.
23:28:07pamaurydys: yeah, those are a real pain to program. Hopefully you don't have to mess with it, just do what the OF does
23:28:15Zen_Rockbox_I've got the audio set to auto resume so no need to navigate the menu.
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23:31:12chrisjjAh, OK. When you come to reflash, here's the latest RB ZEN bootloader I know, and the one that works well for me:
23:32:57chrisjjZen_Rockbox_, re your report that the latest build works, was your ZEN purchased in USA?
23:37:27Zen_RockboxThanks I'll try the bootloader, Got the ZEN in the UK off ebay.
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