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#rockbox log for 2017-02-10

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00:08:32__builtinwait a second... can I move SDL to plugins/lib?
00:08:57__builtinshouldn't it only be included in the generated .rock when it's referenced from some other code?
00:10:16__builtinof course I'd need to support multi-file libraries, but that's another matter
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00:11:49sohakes_Hey guys! I have a Sansa Clip Zip with Rockbox that I didn't use for a long time. I was wondering now if I could use it as an USB dac, but only found some old forum topics about it (it was not implemented at the time)
00:12:12sohakes_Does anyone know if it's possible now with the latest git builds? I don't really know how to find the feature
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00:12:38__builtinsohakes_: not as far as I know
00:13:10foo|shI think there is a gerrit patch some where, I know there is a Flyspray patch
00:13:10sohakes_That's sad, but thanks __builtin
00:13:31*__builtin isn't sure how usable the patch is though
00:14:00sohakes_I found this, but apparently it's not working
00:14:03sohakes_didn't test it, though
00:14:05__builtin g#1009
00:14:06fs-bluebotGerrit review #1009 at : Add USB Audio 1.0 support (EXPERIMENTAL) by Amaury Pouly
00:14:28foo|shthats the one __builtin
00:14:56__builtinjudging from the commit message it sounds like it at least works, but only in some cases
00:16:06__builtinsohakes_: what device do you have?
00:16:12__builtinoh never mind...
00:16:25sohakes_it doesn't look like it works on sansa clip zip judging by the list, but maybe it's non exhaustive?
00:17:07foo|shthe idea's been stale for years so it might
00:17:18__builtinno, it doesn't support the designware driver
00:17:28__builtinthough wait a second
00:17:51__builtinyou *might* be able to piece together g#1362 and that patch
00:17:53fs-bluebotGerrit review #1362 at : usb-designware: implement blocking receive by Cástor Muñoz
00:18:11foo|shalone with linux's usb-gadget sources
00:19:04sohakes_hmm, what does this last commit does?
00:19:15__builtinit implements a function that g#1009 relies on
00:19:16fs-bluebotGerrit review #1009 at : Add USB Audio 1.0 support (EXPERIMENTAL) by Amaury Pouly
00:19:23__builtinso in theory it might work
00:19:41__builtinif you want to try it, I'd suggest getting a development environment set up if you haven't already
00:19:57sohakes_haha ok, well, I have no idea how rockbox works, but at least I'm on vacation, so I will try
00:20:20__builtinwhat operating system are you running?
00:20:38sohakes_arch linux, specifically
00:20:39__builtin\o/ awesome!
00:21:14foo|shhow do you guys not break arch everytime you look at it? I can't
00:21:27__builtinyou can start by grabbing the sources as described here:
00:21:39sohakes_Yay, thanks!
00:22:15__builtinafter that you'll need to apply the two patches mentioned above, and hope it builds
00:22:15sohakes_Oh, I do break, and then I get help here on IRC. But sometimes I think I'm too noob to use this haha
00:22:24sohakes_ohh, sounds easy
00:22:38sohakes_Although I think there will be conflicts with the newest codes?
00:23:14__builtinyou /can/ just checkout g#1009 so you'll have exactly what the author had when he committed it
00:23:15fs-bluebotGerrit review #1009 at : Add USB Audio 1.0 support (EXPERIMENTAL) by Amaury Pouly
00:23:23__builtinbut you'll be missing the newest features added after that point
00:23:49__builtinthen you should be able to cherry-pick g#1362 onto that branch and it will hopefully work
00:23:51fs-bluebotGerrit review #1362 at : usb-designware: implement blocking receive by Cástor Muñoz
00:24:09sohakes_I guess it's fine, at least for a start. If I make it work I will try to get to the latest
00:25:09__builtinafter you've got the source tree cloned, set up your environment as described here:
00:26:16sohakes_Alright :D
00:34:51dyshmm, rockbox boots fine with this microsd->compactflash adapter in my iriver H120 when I use bootloader USB mode on powerup. When trying to boot it without this indirection on powerup, it dies with ata error -11
00:34:59dysdoes that mean the set_features command failed?
00:35:18dysI'm still not sure where exactly this error comes from
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01:00:40prof_wolfffpamaury, lebellium: I just take a quick look at "MFi Accessory Firmware Specification R42", it says that the current ipod6g OF does not support "USB Host Mode" but it support "Digital Audio" lingo
01:01:20prof_wolfffthe "Digital Audio" lingo seems to use a few iAP commands (either USB or UART transport), mainly authentication and set sample rate, after that it seems it use standard USB audio, an excerpt:
01:01:48prof_wolfff"Digital audio on Apple devices supports USB audio 1.0, with the addition that it will transfer digital audio on a High-Speed USB 2.0 bus as well as on a Full-Speed USB 1.1 bus. During transport, the accessory is the USB host, the Apple device is the USB device, and PCM data is synchronized with the 1ms USB start-of-frame (SOF) packets. More information about USB and its standards is available at"
01:02:29prof_wolfffso it seems that probably using a future RB USB audio driver and not much effort we can support some iAP Digital Audio accessories
01:07:17Bilgusdoo any of our boot loaders even support RTL languages prior to the firmware loading?
01:10:51__builtinI don't believe so, but this isn't my area of expertise
01:11:16__builtinthey don't seem to even support other languages in general
01:13:57Bilgusyeah there is 10+ kb of unicode support code in the boot loader
01:14:21dysI wonder what that usb bridge says to the sd-adapter to make it work with rockbox
01:19:06dysmaybe it's some timing issue?
01:19:13*dys adds random sleep statements to ata.c
01:20:19__builtinBilgus: that seems rather odd
01:25:31Bilguseh its before compression so more like 5 kb
01:26:37dysja, looks like that adapter needs some time to boot after reset
01:27:39dysi have no idea yet which one of the sleep statements did the trick though
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01:29:45dysmaybe it's worth finding out and getting into ata.c?
01:30:41dysI mean the bridge chip has a more robust timing than rockbox here… And I gather lots of other people have the idea of trying a sd->cf adapter in their old players as well
01:36:59foo|shhey __builtin: I'm looking at the puzzles.make and I think "# todo: figure out how to do this with wildcards" can be helped by looking at my repo
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01:42:47__builtinI tried something like $(PUZZLES_OBJDIR)/%.rock: $(PUZZLES_SRCDIR)/%.c $(PUZZLES_SHARED_OBJ) $(TLSFLIB) but I don't remember it working
01:44:02__builtin$(PUZZLES_OBJDIR)/%.rock: $(PUZZLES_OBJDIR)/%.o $(PUZZLES_SHARED_OBJ) $(TLSFLIB) actually
01:45:42foo| needs more help from the preproccesor
01:46:20foo|shthe makefile in the plugins root directory has this it might help yuou
01:47:07__builtinthe issue is this, I think
01:47:31__builtinby having a multiple wildcard rules matching the plugin they might conflict
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03:44:08sohakesI'm still trying to make my sansa clip zip work as a dac. To be fair I could only make it compile some time ago (with the virtual box)
03:44:42sohakesAnyway, here it says I should have found an USB Audio option in the debug menu, but I didn't find anything :(. Do I need to enable something?
03:45:29sohakesIt looks like the option is here but I don't really understand these constants, maybe I should compile with some flag?
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03:55:16__builtinsohakes (logs): have you checked out that change?
04:12:44__builtinfoo|sh: good news, I seem to have figured it out
04:13:23__builtinI needed to copy the rule for %.rock verbatim into the makefile
04:13:35__builtinafter that it works correctly
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04:29:13sohakesI think so, __builtin, at least the added files are there, but maybe I did something wrong while compiling or something
04:29:56__builtindid you install the build after compiling (copy to player)?
04:30:51sohakesYeah, I also did that. Just copied the .rockbox folder in the zip to the root, right?
04:31:21sohakesalso, the build version matches the one inside the build folder (rbversion.h)
04:31:30sohakes(but maybe it's always the same?)
04:31:40__builtinit shouldn't be
04:32:00sohakesso yeah, it's the new build
04:32:10__builtinohh wait, you need to define USB_ENABLE_AUDIO somewhere I think
04:32:17sohakesthere is an #ifdef HAVE_USBSTACK in the code
04:32:25__builtinthat should be defined for your target
04:32:32sohakesohh and that too
04:32:32sohakesbut do I need to change that in the code itself?
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04:33:02__builtinedit firmware/export/config/sansaclipzip.h to include #define USB_ENABLE_AUDIO
04:33:04__builtinand it should work
04:33:14sohakesooh, that makes sense! Awesome, thanks :D
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04:36:25__builtinthis had better work
04:37:20*__builtin remembers the days when we had five-minute builds
04:40:56sohakesYay, I could enable it in the debug menu now
04:41:32sohakesbuuuut I'm not entirely sure how it would work as a dac. I connect it by usb and it works like a USB keypad or something
04:41:52sohakesOH NO
04:41:55__builtinyou need to disable USB HID mode in system settings
04:41:58sohakesare you kidding me, it works!
04:42:08sohakesno, it works, it was weird, I just plugged my earphones
04:42:10sohakesand it works haha
04:42:24sohakesThaaank you very much __builtin
04:42:36*__builtin had barely anything to do with it working
04:42:56__builtinblame/thank pamaury when he comes back :P
04:44:32sohakeshaha is he still here? I've also sent him an email, and a following email saying I solved it with help from here (with a thanks).
04:44:41sohakesyou helped me make it work :D, thanks thanks!
04:44:47sohakesno need to buy an expensive dac now
04:45:17__builtinnah, he's on Europe time
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04:45:40sohakesBut I mean, the patch is old, but he is still an active developer, right?
04:45:43sohakesthat's cool haha
04:45:48__builtinyeah, *very* active :P
04:46:01__builtinprobably 90% of commits in the last ~4 years are from him
04:46:02sohakesHaha pretty great
04:46:12sohakesWoah :O
04:47:09__builtin1000+ commits or so
04:47:27__builtinanyhow, I've got to go
04:47:33__builtingood night
04:48:16sohakesGood night, and again, thanks a lot __builtin!
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06:24:44pamauryprof_wolfff: re iAP audio: it looks a little bit weird though, it's means the audio stream are reversed then. Because the device is a slave, so if it wants to send data to the host, it is as if it was recording (ie the device sends the data, not the other way around)
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07:44:52jhMikeShey frankie (someone remind me of IRC nick), I just did a build and a bunch of puzzles' .elf and .map files are getting left behind
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07:49:44YstMy mobile keeps acting up, and I'm seriously considering not carrying one any more. One of the main things that I used my mobile for though is as a music player, so I'm considering getting a Rockbox device instead.
07:50:02YstDoes anyone here know if Rockbox supports the ext4 file system?
07:50:17YstOr any other file system with case sensitivity and decent character support?
07:50:36YstFAT is simply not an option for both reasons.
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08:05:54Bretoshello guys!
08:14:07YstGreetings, Bretos!
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08:34:10pixelmajhMikeS: __builtin
08:38:40jhMikeSpixelma: franklin wei?
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10:59:04concitis that the one needed for agptek rocker?
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11:03:10BretosIs there anything I can do to help release rockbox? I see new commits coming everyday, but there has been no release for last 4 years
11:03:37Bretosdoes rockbox need a CI enviroment, hosts to serve packages?
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11:33:32wodzBretos: Find some dev interested to be release manager? Thats boring task really and if someone find some free time, doing release is the very last thing one might find exciting :P\
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11:36:55Bretoswodz: if I were to set up CI environment using my own buildpower, could make use of those images? Heck, I may even host them
11:37:11gevaerts*building* isn't the issue
11:38:11gevaertsFrom my own perspective, the big issue is that I'd say that for 75% (or more) of our targets we don't actually have any idea if they work properly these days
11:38:17gevaertsThey *probably* do, but...
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11:49:29wodzgevaerts: We should probably rob rebellium and take over his collection :-)
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11:58:17lebelliumgevaerts: I have a huge collection but only 15-20 Rockbox targets!
11:59:44lebelliumpamaury: just got my Rocker! It's also fw 1.01beta
11:59:54lebelliumThat's strange to release a player with a beta firmware
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12:02:47lebelliumlooks like screen resolution is 128x160
12:02:50lebelliumit's terrible
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12:17:57dyspamaury: ah, that flash update routine I was puzzling about is actually called once per block (45x64kB ones)
12:18:17dysthe flash update process is starting to make more sense now
12:18:46dysI'm confident I get my own code (debug stub or something) running on the blackfin this weekend
12:20:40wodzdys: Is there device usb hardware available on this SoC or all usb communication is through cypress chip?
12:21:09dyswodz: there are two usb connecters on this thing, one wired to the blackfin, another to the SoC
12:21:33dysI think the Cypress SoC makes the standard USB audio device, the blackfin the apple proprietary stuff
12:22:19wodzdys: Ok, then you could try to port hwstub;a=tree;f=utils/hwstub/stub;h=c77ab735483d2f554409f795ab62be52482c521a;hb=HEAD
12:22:52wodzdys: Usb driver uses only ep0 which makes it relatively easy to write driver.
12:23:43dyswodz: I thought about putting my toy forth on there ->
12:24:17dyslots of experience getting it to run on anything that has 16kB memory or more
12:24:28wodzdys: With hwstub running you get pretty powerfull lua shell
12:24:53dysa forth interpreter you can talk to is powerful as well :-)
12:25:12dysyou save the roundtrip time over the tether by interactively defining new forth words
12:25:44dysso ad-hoc poking around in MMIO registers is pretty comfortable there too
12:27:01wodzdys: Well, I wouldn't call forth comfortable language by current standards. Anyway its your toy, your choice
12:27:23dysexactly, I want to brick it my way :-)
12:27:44dyswodz: thanks for the pointer
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12:46:42wodzdys: I guess you know that ?
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12:47:46dyswodz: currently I get around ok with objdump-disassembly + annotations/analysis with perl scripts
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12:48:09dysI'd rather look at teaching radare2 about blackfin than trying out IDA
12:48:36wodzdys: maybe you can reuse some of the code
12:49:25dyswodz: good point. It's GPL-Licensed… didn't expect that from the IDA world
12:49:56wodzdys: It is 3rd party module, not related to hexrays
12:50:49*dys needs to cycle into work again for a couple hours
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13:32:34prof_wolfffpamaury: this is the lsusb output on my Classic running OF: , there are 2 configurations, a 'pcm' endpoint in the second configuration, no idea about the audio control descriptors, when the second configuration is selected (echo "2" > /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-5.3/bConfigurationValue) the PCM endpoint is detected!
13:33:28prof_wolfffpamaury: the "cannot get freq at ep 0x81" errors on dmesg could be related to the existing iAP commands to set sample rate (?), the iPod is detected in audacity as a recording input, but I cannot play music because the iPod have no iTunes music installed, probably it will play only silence because to activate the "USB audio output" on iPod we must authenticate first
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13:34:00prof_wolfffpamaury: i have never seen the USB specs in detail, just a doubt: the iPod as USB device and the accessory or a computer as USB host, the latter sees the iPod as a recording input, isn't this the standard?
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13:49:50wodzprof_wolfff: Any tests I can perform to pinpoint problems with my n2g?
13:52:53prof_wolfffwodz: TheSeven pointed that it could be something related to incorrect flasth size detection, does your nano2g have really 4GB?
13:56:21prof_wolfffwodz: sorry, it seems that he is refering to FTL size, not flash size
14:00:13prof_wolfffwodz: really i have no much idea about nano2g, never seen these errors on my nano, maybe you can try to format it using Apple disk mode, or maybe zeroing it in a first place (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX) using apple disk mode and then reformat it
14:01:52wodzprof_wolfff: Well errors were with freshly formated device.
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14:09:18prof_wolfffwodz: quoting TheSeven "but if it is detected as a wrong flash size, it's probably best to completely wipe the nand and let apple's code (e.g. diskmode image) recreate the FTL structures", i think he means to erase all flash and boot on apple diskmode
14:09:45wodzprof_wolfff: Thats what I did exactly
14:10:24wodzprof_wolfff: I wiped flash and forced apple code to recreate ftl
14:20:50prof_wolfffwodz: i don't known what could be the problem then, TheSeven pointed me to some nice info about flash on freemyipod web, i will try to look at the code an put some debug traces so we can get more info
14:24:24wodzprof_wolfff: thanks, no hurry as I'll be mostly offline next week
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14:38:05prof_wolfffwodz: how many errors do you get reading the whole flash using RB (dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/null bs=2048 conv=sync,noerror, could you post the dmesg log if there are not much errors
14:39:32wodzprof_wolfff: with regular rb or this patched with 2GB boundary?
14:40:26prof_wolfffbest to use regular rb so we can see if there are errors above 2GB boundary
14:42:09wodzprof_wolfff: I'll try to do that but I am busy right now at work
14:43:24prof_wolfffwodz: no hurry, i am also a bit busy :) in addition probably it would take a big time to read the whole flash using 2048 block size
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15:51:05BilgusIs there anyway to pull in the content of a define for the .tex files of the manual?
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15:52:25Bilguseg. I have BOOT_REDIR "rockbox_main.clip+" I would like to pull that into the manual or do I need to define it for every target within the platform files?
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18:14:15wodzgot Agptek ROCKER today
18:14:34lebelliumwodz: I'm quite disappointed
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18:14:47lebelliumThe firmware/UI is terrible
18:15:04lebelliumIt looks like all those Chinese things
18:16:54lebelliumI don't own any Fiio but it's supposed to be similar. To me it just looks like no-name player
18:25:01wodzwell, quality it is above average cheap chinese daps
18:26:20lebelliumThe body is nice. But that screen... terrible viewing angles
18:26:51lebelliumI don't expect black to get blue or grey when moving it 5° up or down
18:27:00wodzits not photo frame
18:27:22lebelliumThat's not a reason
18:27:36lebelliumI'm sure a decent 1,8" screen doesn't cost that much
18:28:17lebelliumI'm even sure you could find a decent 176x220 one instead of this crappy 128x160 one
18:28:42lebelliumWe're in 2017
18:28:53wodzI agree that screen is poor quality but I don't have high expectations from daps screen really
18:29:58lebelliumI'm also very suspicious about the Gapless setting
18:30:11lebelliumwhen there is such a setting, that usually means poor implementation
18:31:39dyslebellium: they could have done worse
18:31:48*dys looks at the teac's 128 x 64 screen in pity
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18:33:23lebelliumwell it depends, the 128x64 Clip+ screen is much better than the AGPTek Rocker
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18:48:19pixelmahow does it compare to the c200's screen?
18:50:59lebelliumwell, C200 has the worst color screen in my 100 pieces collection. I'm not sure any player can beat it
18:51:08lebelliumbut it was released some time ago now
18:55:14lebelliumThe Rocker doesn't have this refresh rate issue
18:55:27lebelliumwhich makes the C200 dangerous for your eyes :P
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19:55:28Bilgusheh, I was just looking at the amazon page for the Rocker and they pasted the screen on all the product pics, <lebellium> when you get a chance could you post a pic of the real screen?
19:56:21lebelliumthe pic attached to the wiki page can give you a preview
19:57:22Bilgusahh ok
20:05:32Bilguslooks kinda like viewing a screen through my bluejeans
20:07:17Bilgusit doesn't look that bad
20:08:10Bilgusdoes it actually have a metal case as well?
20:08:37Bilgusand more important how is the sound + batt life?
20:09:06lebelliumyes, metal case, I was surprised about how heavy it feels
20:09:27BilgusI see it has a screen protector on there as well glass or plastic screen under that?
20:09:31lebelliumhardware doesn't feel as cheap as the software
20:10:14lebelliumplastic I would say. When I press on it, it's soft
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20:11:02Bilgusah that kinda sucks not a deal breaker though, I'd be buying it for the hardware, I buy rockbox for the software :p
20:11:23lebelliumSound is good (tested with DT990 and some cheap IEM) but I'm not an Audiophile
20:11:30Bilgusme either
20:11:38lebelliumI'll try to measure battery life this night
20:11:44lebelliumI don't expect more than 10-15jrs
20:11:49Bilgusas long as it doesn't go snap crackle pop I'm generally good
20:12:03Bilgus10 -15 hrs is just prefect imo
20:12:20lebelliumit has quite power with high gain setting
20:12:44lebelliumFor sure it's not as powerful as an external amp but quite good
20:13:29Bilgusdo the buttons seem pretty solid and does it have a hold switch?
20:15:54lebelliumButtons seem to be solid but they are quite noisy like on Clip+. No hold switch. When you press power, displays turns off as well as buttons excep the volume ones
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20:17:05Bilgushuh ntb then by noisy do you mean like there is a micro switch under there or those metal bubble ones or can't tell?
20:17:48DablessHi ! RockBox forum is down and im looking for some help : it's written on my ipod : No partition found. I formated the partition in Fat32 but it did not change anything
20:18:37Bilgusprobabl install isn't done you need .rockbox/rockbox.fw
20:19:46DablessI was using it for the past month
20:19:49Dablessinstall was allright
20:19:52lebelliumBilgus: can't tell
20:20:32Bilgushmm thanks lebellium
20:22:04lebelliumBilgus: volume buttons are very steady, which is not the case of the power button. They look exactly the same though.
20:24:39gevaertsDabless: does the fact that you formatted the partition mean it was not FAT32 before?
20:24:47DablessIt was
20:25:10Dablessbut when I was plugging it in in windows it was telling me "the disk need to be formated"
20:25:17DablessI wanted to add song so I formated
20:25:34Dablessin ntfs, it did that, then I reformated in fat32
20:25:37Dablessand it's the same
20:28:59Bilgusso was the device working prior to formatting it?
20:30:01Dablessbefore the first windows format, yes
20:30:14DablessA lot of song was corrupted but it was working
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20:32:34Bilgushmm drive probably going bad then you'll have to wait for an Ipod guy to come along, you can search the froum with google and use ^cached button to right of forum link if you are impatient
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20:34:24Bilgusmaybe start looking through the SSD mods while you are at it IMO thats a nice upgrade
20:40:26DablessIt<s allready modded
20:40:29Dablesswith sd cards
20:40:36Dablessquad flash thing
20:41:52Bilgushuh then pull them and do block tests
20:44:02Bilgusflash does wear out only so many cycles before it dies
20:47:37Bilgusdoes it enumerate as one big disk or all four?
20:48:28Bilguseither way I think i'd keep track of which went where and swap them around
20:49:52Dablessone big
20:52:19DablessThing is, I don,t want to break it open
20:52:27Dablessyou think the disk is the matter ^
20:55:44Bilguscorrupted songs, windows wanting to format it is the card or the adapter i'd say
20:56:05Bilgushow old is the mod?
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21:01:21BilgusI imagine you can do your badblock tests with it just how it is but I'm not sure how you could figure out which flash chip is bad
21:01:50BilgusI guess it would give you an indication of weather or not you needed to break it open
21:03:12Bilgusmaybe you could take and calculate the number of blocks in your flashcards based on sizes and assuming the cards are mapped contiguous you could figure out which bank?
21:05:08Bilgushappy debugging, I'll bbl
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21:19:22Dablessthe mod is like a month old
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22:31:31__builtinjhMikeS (logs): can you give some more details about puzzles?
22:31:59__builtinohh never mind
22:35:56YstIs it just me, or is the entire Rockbox wiki (as well as some other parts of the website) on 403 lockdown?
22:37:17Bilgusthe wiki is fine for me themes site too have a specifuic link?
22:37:40__builtinshould be a quick fix
22:38:39YstBilgus: A specific link? <> does it, as does any other link I try beginning with <>.
22:39:11Bilgusworks fine
22:39:47YstHmm. Strange. It's been doing that today and yesterday for me.
22:40:12Bilgusclear your cache
22:41:55__builtinworks for me too
22:42:07YstBilgus: Cache cleared, page reloaded, still returns a 403 error.
22:42:52YstAh, I found the trouble. It's stupidly performing User-Agent header sniffing.
22:43:15YstSetting a fake User-Agent header works around the bug.
22:43:20__builtinwhat was it set to?
22:44:37YstSetting it to "W3C standards are important. Stop fucking obsessing over user-agent already." makes it work. If you mean before that, it wasn't set.
22:47:28__builtinwhat the heck is this build system doing?
22:55:52YstHmm. It looks like Rockbox doesn't support ext4, according to the wiki. FAT only.
22:56:28YstOh, well. I'll keep trying to debug my current player then instead of getting a Rockbox.
22:58:02lebelliumYst:;a=commit;h=d052f13 pamaury recently did that but I assume it's only for NWZ
22:58:42dysYst: most of the pain goes away for me when using fuse-posixovl on the mounted fat
22:58:58dysYst: But I concur, there should be ext2 support at least
22:59:14*dys dreams of having a git-annex repo on the card
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23:04:02__builtinfoo|sh, trying to rewrite the puzzles makefile with a pattern rule will probably make it more complicated than before :(
23:05:55Ystdys: I need decent character support and case sensitivity. Does the lack of those go away with fuse-posixovl?
23:06:12YstFAT is also prone to breaking, but I guess that that's not a deal breaker.
23:06:53Yst<> is a 404 page.
23:07:34dysYst: utf-8 mostly works on FAT. The characters that break are things explicitly forbidden by the spec, i.e. the colon character
23:08:09Ystdys: One common character that I use is a question mark, but that's forbidden in FAT.
23:08:14dyssince using fuse-posixovl, I now have %(3A) instead of a colon on filenames instead of these tracks missing completely
23:08:16YstI use colons too.
23:08:39YstOkay, that could work.
23:09:00dysI just use rsync on the card mounted via fuse-posixovl and can be sure now that no files went missing
23:09:17__builtinfoo|sh: hmm, never mind
23:09:25YstDoes basic drag-and-drop work too?
23:09:28__builtinit's actually a relatively easy fix :)
23:09:48dysI think a patch to make rockbox interpret these posix-overlay characters is easier to get upstream than ext2 support
23:10:14dysYst: Yes, you could any gui tool on the posixovl-mount and it will work
23:10:21dyss/any/use any/
23:10:30YstWell, the former's not on the "won't do" list, so it sounds like it'd be easier to get upstream.
23:11:16Ystdys: Alright, thanks! I'll keep Rockbox in my list of options then. I'm still not fully decided as to what to do.
23:11:35YstI hate to give up on my current solution, my mobile, but it's always causing me problems.
23:12:10dysYst: I'd recommend taking a closer look. I used an Iriver H120 with rockbox on it between 2006-2014
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23:12:48dysthen I tried listening to music on a smartphone like normal people do, but the free software players available are all a step down from rockbox
23:13:32dysI modded my H120 yesterday to take a 128GB sd card instead of the internal 20GB harddisk and using it again now
23:14:14dysI think the "written by users" really shines with rockbox
23:14:39Ystdys: The mobile also allows me to take notes though, receive/send email, set an alarm clock, et cetera. Music quality will be higher, but utility will be lower.
23:15:04YstRockbox does have more users to shape it than Replicant ....
23:15:12YstThat would make for higher quality.
23:16:14YstI guess I have to decide if giving up the hassle is worth giving up things such as the camera.
23:17:56dyswell, I still carry a phone besides the iriver H120, but I'm no longer getting annoyed by lack of gapless playback, inefficient track selection methods or bugs
23:18:56YstIf I go with a Rockbox, it will be to escape my mobile, but supplement it.
23:19:12YstTHis thing drives me nuts often times.
23:19:55dysI see. There are plugins that'll let you take notes, but I'm afraid the input methods are quite bad compared to the phone.
23:20:12__builtinif you know morse code it's not that bad ;)
23:20:16dysTaking voice recordings would work really well though with hardware that has a mic :-)
23:20:31dys__builtin: I actually learned morse code on the iriver :-)
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23:21:08YstVoice recordings won't do what I need unless transcribed. I doubt that any Rockbox-supported harware has a camera, either.
23:21:45__builtinI *think* one of the nascent ipod nanos has one
23:21:47YstYour name looks so familiar, __builtin. Do you mind my asking what language that is?
23:22:13__builtinit's a prefix in C for intrinsic functions
23:22:28YstC. Huh. I don't know C, I wonder why it looks so familiar then.
23:22:50__builtinYst: I think it's the nano4g that has the camera
23:23:30YstAlright, I'll look into the nano4g. Thank you!
23:23:52__builtindon't quote me on that though, I'm not sure
23:25:00__builtinhmm, it's the nano *5G* actually
23:25:21*Yst changes search query
23:25:44__builtinno rockbox support IIUC
23:25:56YstOh, darn.
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