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02:20:15	Alcahest	hey all, does the author LudovicJacques sometimes come in this chan?
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02:25:22	__builtin	Alcahest: not that I know of
02:25:40	__builtin	what were you meaning to ask? someone else might know
02:25:47	Alcahest	damn, would you know how i could contact him?
02:25:57	Alcahest	well i have a sony walkman NW-A847
02:26:05	Alcahest	and i'd love to change the interface to english
02:26:30	Alcahest	but as you may know, jpn software has more features, Recording function, ATRAC support..
02:26:51	Alcahest	and I'm not sure if changing the destination would work, while retaining these features
02:27:13	Alcahest	the soft gives me this, so it's supported by your tool
02:27:14	Alcahest	C:\Unzipped>scsitool-nwz-v6.exe E: dest_tool get
02:27:14	Alcahest	Model: NW-A847
02:27:14	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Alcahest
02:27:14	Alcahest	Series: NWZ-A840 Series
02:27:14	Alcahest	Destination: J (0)
02:27:14	***	Alert Mode level 1
02:27:14	Alcahest	Sound pressure: 0 (off)
02:27:52	Alcahest	but i'm afraid to change anything without some sort of confirmation from Ludovic, as he seem to have done it himself and could give me further infos on what works or not post-change
02:28:16	__builtin	pamaury here knows a lot about that
02:28:47	Alcahest	great, thanks for the tip ^^
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02:29:30	__builtin	where did you see the name LudovicJacques?
02:30:09	Alcahest	on the wiki page dedicated to SonyNWDestTool
02:30:14	Alcahest	he's the author
02:30:37	__builtin	not necessarily, that's the last editor
02:30:50	Alcahest	oh right
02:31:24	Alcahest	if you see the image he added DSC_0945.JPG, that's very close to my case, and from him
02:32:02	__builtin	hmm... I have a feeling that's lebellium
02:32:51	__builtin	yep, apologies for the confusion
02:33:10	__builtin	LudovicJacques == lebellium
02:33:11	Alcahest	i'm not sure which confusion now lol
02:33:15	Alcahest	ah alright ;)
02:33:44	__builtin	lebellium is a regular here, I feel bad for not recognizing him ;)
02:33:57	Alcahest	no worries ^^
02:34:26	Alcahest	so i'll wait for him to come back i guess, or if you see the above pamaury, please let me know what you think
02:36:29	pamaury	Alcahest: hi
02:37:07	Alcahest	hello pamaury, are you the one who did the dest change on the NW-A850?
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02:38:11	pamaury	Alcahest: I wrote the dest tool, but I don't own a NW-A850, lebellium (LudovicJacques) was the one who tried it
02:38:13	Alcahest	is there maybe a command line option for scsitool-nwz-v6.exe to see all the destinations supported by a certain model?
02:38:16	Alcahest	i see
02:38:24	pamaury	Alcahest: as far as I remember what he did was to switch destination from J to something else
02:38:58	Alcahest	hmm yes, but to what, and did it break anything.. i'd like to know beforehand
02:39:56	Alcahest	like the NW-A20 series, my NW-A84 series has a bunch of stuff only the Japanese dest supports (line in recording, ATRAC, profiles for cradle i believe)
02:40:00	pamaury	Alcahest: I don't think you can break it, you can always switch back to J. You could try E2 or CEW
02:40:09	Alcahest	that I'm not sure will be retained afterwards
02:40:46	Alcahest	that's the thing, if i switch to U, E2 or anything else that isn't supported in the firmware, wouldn't that just brick the device?
02:40:51	pamaury	however make sure that after the change to reset all settings. I am afraid you'll have to try it by yourself, I don't know if it keeps all the japanese stuff
02:41:09	pamaury	Alcahest: it didn't brick lebellium's device
02:41:29	Alcahest	heh yeah xD
02:41:31	pamaury	and I believe you can recover in any case by reflashing the firmare
02:41:42	Alcahest	there's none for this model :S
02:42:31	Alcahest	i'll wait for lebellium to come back, before going crazy with this device, it cost me an eye back then ^^;
02:42:56	Alcahest	what other command line arguments are supported by scsitool-nwz-v6.exe ?
02:43:03	pamaury	ah, then it might be safe to do a firmware dump before but yeah, let's wait for lebellium. I only own european players so I don't know ^^
02:43:06	Alcahest	anything not documented on the page?
02:43:20	Alcahest	a firwmare dump, is it possible? wow
02:43:58	pamaury	Alcahest: almost all of it is undocumented :-p You can see all commands by running scsitool-nwz-v6.exe -h but you can't do a firmware dump with this tool, it's a bit more complicated
02:44:12	Alcahest	ah, i see
02:44:49	pamaury	if you can wait for 5/10 minute, I can walk you through the firmare dump procedure
02:44:58	Alcahest	for sure, thank you!
02:45:14	Alcahest	hmmmm
02:45:14	pamaury	which player is it again?
02:45:15	Alcahest	get_dnk_prop Get DNK property
02:45:15	Alcahest	get_dnk_nvp Get DNK NVP content
02:45:15	Alcahest	get_dpcc_prop Get DPCC property
02:45:15	Alcahest	get_user_time Get user time
02:45:15	***	Alert Mode level 1
02:45:15	Alcahest	get_dev_info Get device info
02:45:15	***	Alert Mode level 2
02:45:15	Alcahest	do_fw_upgrade Do a firmware upgrade
02:45:16	***	Alert Mode level 3
02:45:16	Alcahest	dest_tool Get/Set destination and sound pressure regulation
02:45:19	Alcahest	interstingu
02:45:34	Alcahest	A japanese NW-A847 violet limited edition with 64gigs
02:45:49	__builtin	pro tip: use a pastebin for >2 lines
02:46:05	Alcahest	overkill just for this, no? ^^;
02:47:22	Alcahest	it's absolutely incredible what you guys are doing, btw
02:47:53	pamaury	Alcahest: can you run:
02:47:53	pamaury	scsitool-nwz-v6.ex H: get_dnk_nvp kas
02:47:53	pamaury	and give me the output (use pastebin.con)
02:47:57	pamaury	(pastebin.com)
02:48:04	Alcahest	sure
02:48:06	pamaury	and replace H: by the driver letter of your device
02:48:13	Alcahest	yes
02:49:02	pamaury	well dest_tool is really just a tiny tiny feature of this tool. I wrote scsitool-nwz to develop on those devices, and adding dest changer later because people wanted this feature
02:49:21	Alcahest	i see
02:50:30	Alcahest	https://pastebin.com/AN3SAEz5
02:50:57	Alcahest	is this the expected output? ^^;
02:51:04	pamaury	great thanks
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02:55:24	enril	hello
02:55:43	enril	I just found sony sound pressure tool
02:55:54	enril	try on my nw-x1060
02:56:02	enril	but output this
02:56:12	enril	Model: NW-X1060 Series: NWZ-X1000 Series This device doesn't have node 'shp'
02:56:30	enril	anyone can help me?
02:57:01	__builtin	hi enril
02:57:07	enril	hi
02:57:17	__builtin	your timing is spot-on, someone just asked a similar question not 5 minutes ago
02:57:36	enril	really
02:58:00	Alcahest	hi, yeah but it's about a nw-A847 ^^
02:58:25	enril	and was it solved?
02:58:40	pamaury	enril: give me 5/10 min and I'll try to help
02:58:41	Alcahest	working on it ;)
02:58:52	pamaury	I'm working on a NW-A840 right now ;)
02:58:53	Alcahest	is your nw based on android or linux enril?
02:59:03	enril	thanks a lot
02:59:07	enril	linux i think
02:59:19	Alcahest	good, i think android isn't supported
02:59:50	pamaury	I believe NWZ-X1060 is based on linux but it's a very old kernel for which I did not extract the necessary information for dest tool to work I think. But it probably can be done
02:59:58	enril	I tried >scsitool-nwz-v6.exe D: get_dnk_nvp 12
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03:00:11	enril	get this
03:00:13	enril	Note: node size unknown, trying to read 4096 bytes 12 (node 12): 00 20 00 98 00 00 00 0b 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 . .............. 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
03:01:33	pamaury	it would be too long to explain but it' safer not to use raw node number but names. The tool doesn't know about 'shp' because we need to extract the list for each device and I didn't do it for this one
03:03:16	enril	Is there anything I can do for you?
03:04:53	pamaury	enril: perhaps but just be patient :)
03:04:59	pamaury	Alcahest: can you download https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsntj7880zzfjg9/dump_rootfs_nwza840.upg?dl=0
03:05:21	Alcahest	sure
03:05:32	__builtin	prof_wolfff: what's left for rbutil ipod6g support before it's merged?
03:05:38	pamaury	once you have it, put it at the root of your device and rename it to NW_WM_FW.UPG
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03:06:58	pamaury	then eject your player safely, replug it and run
03:06:58	pamaury	scsitool-nwz-v6.exe H: do_fw_upgrade
03:06:58	pamaury	it will reboot, display a black screen with some text and if everything goes well dump the firmware to a subdirectory called dump_rootfs
03:07:18	Alcahest	alright, i'm trying
03:07:22	Alcahest	and praying ;D
03:09:26	pamaury	(note that it may take a minute or two potentially)
03:09:57	Alcahest	it's rebooting , with jpn message
03:10:03	Alcahest	about something update
03:10:14	Alcahest	small blue line going up slowly
03:10:17	Alcahest	seems to be working
03:10:46	Alcahest	rebooted
03:11:09	Alcahest	got dump_rootfs populated ;)
03:11:35	Alcahest	folder is 115 megs
03:11:42	pamaury	Alcahest: cool :) I suggest you keep a copy on your computer in a safe place. Also if you could zip and send me a copy that would be nice
03:12:03	Alcahest	sure, my internet is slow as fuck, is MEGA ok?
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03:12:25	pamaury	sure
03:12:32	Alcahest	alright ^^
03:12:35	pamaury	ah enril is gone :(
03:13:09	Alcahest	timeout, he'll be back !
03:13:11	__builtin	seems to be network issues
03:13:20	Alcahest	so, now with this pamaury
03:13:30	pamaury	once you have copied it to your computer, you can try changing the destination:
03:13:30	pamaury	scsitool-nwz-v6.exe H: dest_tool set E2 off
03:13:30	pamaury	and then reset the settings (it's something in the menus)
03:13:38	Alcahest	if things go wrong after changing dest, what should i do to restore?
03:14:14	pamaury	if it needs restoring, you'll need to send me the file and I'll need to create a firmware upgrade from it
03:14:38	Alcahest	wow you know how to do this, it's nuts
03:14:52	Alcahest	well backing up fw was already nuts hehe
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03:16:04	Alcahest	mmcinfo_map.txt is empty, is it expected?
03:16:18	pamaury	yeah this is only supported on newer players
03:16:26	Alcahest	got you
03:16:37	pamaury	the most important part is rootfs.tar
03:17:04	Alcahest	alright, size 106 Mo (112 167 936 octets)
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03:19:41	Alcahest	oh it compresses superbly, 36megs
03:19:48	Alcahest	should be fast to upload
03:20:39	Alcahest	i'm trying to find out if there's a tourist version of that jpn nw-A847 to maximize the chance of keeping everything intact besides language..
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03:26:08	pamaury	enril: I will send you a new version of scsitool with support for NWZ-X1000
03:26:13	pamaury	(hopefully)
03:26:24	enril	thanks
03:32:34	Alcahest	alright, this model's too old for sony jpn tourist site, so i'll wait for lebellium to come back to see his experience
03:32:57	Alcahest	pamaury, thanks for the great help and dedicated fw dump tool
03:33:01	Alcahest	here is the dump: https://mega.nz/#!T1thRAqD!M8PaQy8BkRdJtvzoqchMmg2y1y-XV4Nec3jf_PajBEM
03:33:05	Alcahest	[,0Link title] MEGA
03:34:40	pamaury	enril: https://www.dropbox.com/s/b28fkf5vs89c5t6/scsitool-nwz-v7.exe?dl=0
03:34:44	pamaury	try with this new version
03:34:59	enril	cool
03:36:43	Alcahest	pamaury, you wouldn't be a Toshiba Gigabeat wizard too would you? ;D
03:36:54	enril	there is still some problem with x1000
03:36:58	enril	scsitool-nwz-v4.exe D: dest_tool set CN off Model: NW-X1060 Series: NWZ-X1000 Series This device doesn't have node 'shp'
03:37:11	Alcahest	it's v7!
03:37:17	enril	oh
03:37:22	enril	i forget
03:38:13	enril	GREAT!!
03:38:28	enril	successful
03:39:08	enril	It's so generous of you, pamaury
03:39:31	pamaury	Alcahest: no sorry
03:39:38	Alcahest	i join you in thanking pamaury, awesome!
03:39:41	Alcahest	np
03:39:56	pamaury	enril: so you confirm the destination was changed successfully?
03:40:06	pamaury	enril: don't forget to reset the settings!
03:40:18	enril	Yes, language has changed to chinese
03:42:39	pamaury	is that what you wanted?
03:42:49	enril	of course!
03:42:53	pamaury	ok :)
03:42:59	Alcahest	haha
03:43:10	Alcahest	interesting stuff in the dump, all in plain text too :)
03:43:15	enril	It's perfect
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06:50:40	prof_wolfff	builtin__: about rbutil, I think the Linux and Windows versions works well with a few issues and workarounds (these are no ipod classic specific) https://files.freemyipod.org/~user890104/bootloader-ipodclassic-v1_0/README.RockboxUtility.txt
06:52:31	prof_wolfff	I am out in the Mac world, but probably the version for OS X 10.5+ should be easy because mks5lboot works well and the Linux code should be compatible, maybe it needs some work for the iTunes detection, can try to compile it in a Mac Mini next weekend, anyway I think that we should ask bruebrother about merging it
06:53:40	prof_wolfff	__builtin: ^
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07:20:09	lebellium_z3c	Alcahest: it's not exactly the same as me: I have the A850 with NC. It's a different firmware. You have the NW-A840 (JP) but there is a worldwide NWZ-A840. I think both have the same firmware. In this case you would probably lose the JP specific features when switching to another region code. For ATRAC support though, see my note on the wiki
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07:20:58	lebellium_z3c	When I mean both have the same firmware, it's A840 Japan and A840 worldwide. A850 definitely has a different firmware
07:21:20	Alcahest	hi lebellium, i actually went for it since i have the firwmare backup thanks to pamaury
07:21:37	Alcahest	it actually worked fine, and i kept all the japanese specifics of the model
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07:22:09	Alcahest	ie: it still connects as Mass storage, the NFC feature and options all work, the recording menu is still there
07:22:42	Alcahest	although it's the only one still displayed in japanese, and all related recording features/options are still in japanese as well
07:22:59	Alcahest	it's like they localized everything except anything pertaining to Recording
07:23:06	Alcahest	don't matter to me at all ^^
07:24:03	Alcahest	all the settings and features are otherwise unchanged, it's still the NW-A847, just with english interface, just what I had hoped for
07:24:30	Alcahest	great job guys, i never thought it'd ever be possible
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07:25:54	lebellium_z3c	I'm a bit puzzled. Are these recording features on the worldwide NWZ-A840?
07:26:10	Alcahest	no, they're not
07:26:38	lebellium_z3c	Otherwise that would mean it stills knows it's a NW and not a NWZ. But I really thought it was the same firmware just with another destination code
07:27:25	Alcahest	i guess this NW just knows about the NW stuff and changing the dest code somehow just changes language to english default
07:28:06	Alcahest	there is no fw update for this model and it was released way before the nwz
07:28:21	lebellium_z3c	Did you reset the settings on device?
07:28:25	Alcahest	maybe they didn't implement the international version? i dunno
07:28:36	Alcahest	yeah, nothing changed if i didn't
07:28:46	Alcahest	language stayed jap until i reset ALL
07:30:18	lebellium_z3c	Do you have some atrac file? You can still play the existing ones for sure but if you update the libray manually in the settings or if you add some new Atrac files, are they still recognized?
07:30:56	Alcahest	i don't have any to test actually, I believe they're the .oma files?
07:31:38	lebellium_z3c	Yes
07:31:51	lebellium_z3c	I thought you said Atrac support was important to you
07:32:09	Alcahest	well really keeping all JPN features intact was important to me
07:32:54	Alcahest	btw, in the Settings, Unit info still says NW-A847
07:33:12	Alcahest	on your NW-A850, did it change to NWZ after dest change?
07:34:23	lebellium_z3c	Interesting. No it didn't but I didn't expect it since the NWZ counterpart doesn't exist
07:34:39	Alcahest	oh doesn't it
07:34:55	lebellium_z3c	No there is no NWZ-A850
07:35:32	lebellium_z3c	You actually are the 1st one known to test the tool on a Japanese device having a worldwide counterpart
07:35:33	Alcahest	so it has no international counterpart at all?
07:35:42	lebellium_z3c	Not at all
07:36:05	Alcahest	wow you're lucky it didn't break anything xD
07:36:13	Alcahest	changing the dest i mean
07:36:57	Alcahest	unless again, they designed it for worldwide and then marketing decided it'd stay jpn only
07:37:34	Alcahest	you also have an entry which stayed in japanese i believe
07:37:39	Alcahest	on your pic in the wiki
07:37:46	Alcahest	what option is that?
07:37:53	lebellium_z3c	Now I know that there is not a unique firmware and that the device still make the difference between NWz and NW regardless the destination code
07:38:50	Alcahest	yeah it seems pretty clear now
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07:39:17	Alcahest	and thanks for that, i wanted to keep the jpn origin ^^
07:39:36	lebellium_z3c	I don't remember, I can check tonight but I guess it was a useless menu with a QRcode to Sony Japan website
07:39:51	Alcahest	a some guide, yeah
07:39:56	lebellium_z3c	Now I leave or I'll be late at work :D
07:40:00	Alcahest	i don't have that, my unit's too old
07:40:10	Alcahest	alright, thanks for getting by and the infos ^^
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08:30:34	Alcahest	is anyone a pro pertaining to the toshiba Gigabeat series? Or a pro at figuring out encryption?
08:31:49	Alcahest	the Gigabeat software encrypts audio files to a format called .SAT and the DAP can only play back .SAT files
08:32:22	Alcahest	i have about 30 gigs in .SAT format i would absolutely love to decrypt/ get back as mp3s
08:37:41	Alcahest	it is belived that the encryption is a des encryption with the key correponding to the serial number of the hardrive
08:38:31	Alcahest	if anyone wants a challenge... there'll be a little reward ^^;
08:38:54	Alcahest	belived*
08:39:00	Alcahest	believed* damn
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10:27:38	lorenzo_	ypr0 simulator build fails due to multiple definitions, fix is trivial but it would be better to understand why it broke at some point..
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11:02:22	wodz	lorenzo_: ypr0 simulator fix is a matter of moving stuff in ifdefs block in SOURCES
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11:11:15	lorenzo_	wodz: yes, definitely. As I previously said, the fix is trivial, but I am unsure why it broke...
11:13:49	wodz	lorenzo_: I wouldn't bother to trace it. Just fix it
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11:18:46	lorenzo_	wodz: I agree...
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11:51:49	GreyGhost	@Alcahest, have you tried using windows media player for your gigabyte encryption issue?https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GigabeatFXPort#Remove_.SAT_Encryption_40Optional_41
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12:13:30	lorenzo_	g#1593
12:13:32	fs-bluebot	Gerrit review #1593 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1593 : Samsung YP-R0: fix simulator build by Lorenzo Miori
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13:50:22	Gamera	hey is it ever possible to enable host mode in devices that have it
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13:50:55	Gamera	I put a solid state drive in my h300 that's too big and the stock firmware won't boot
13:52:37	Gamera	so will rockbox ever support usb host mode?
13:52:43	Gamera	are there any patches or anything like that
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14:19:17	duo8	yes
14:19:45	duo8	also all modern usb core support otg afaik
14:23:56	pixelma	duo8: are you sure what you are talking about?
14:25:45	pixelma	the H300 is different and does not use Rockbox's USB stack
14:26:28	pixelma	it's quite an old player by now
14:26:39	Gamera	usb stack?
14:27:27	Gamera	what are the better recent players
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14:37:19	Gamera	is there rockbox for android
14:37:46	Alcahest	GreyGhost, my Gigabeat is the older model, G series, which cannot connect in MTP mode, and so the WMP method cannot be used ;_;
14:43:06	olspookishmagus	can rockbox play .aac?
14:46:22	olspookishmagus	I see some bugs in the tracker regarding AAC so I guess it should play some at least some AAC
14:47:29	olspookishmagus	what I had in mind are some ADTS AAC files, I hope there won't be a problem playing those
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18:50:17	saratoga	olspookishmagus: .aac files are not supported, you have to put AAC in a container like MP4 or RA
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22:38:47	autofsckk	hello, where can i find the app that can check the disk for bad sectors?
22:46:00	__builtin	"badblocks"?
22:53:41	autofsckk	__builtin: im not sure, somebody told me in this channel like 2 or 3 years ago how to fix my ipod, i wasnt able to read or write in it after i did that it started to work again
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23:01:36	saratoga	the logs are indexed on google, just search and see what the application was
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23:03:13	Alcahest	looking for a toshiba Gigabeat dev guru..
23:16:39	lebellium	pamaury (logs): is NW-X1000 support the only difference between scsitools v6 and v7?
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23:25:52	lebellium	pamaury: nevermind, I hadn't seen the latest commits
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