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| 10:23:39 | Jonathan_ | Hi I get an error message like "Your device is not supported. Please contact developers." on my NW-A37HN |
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| 10:33:32 | Jonathan_ | Dear Hi I get an error message like "Your device is not supported. Please contact developers." on my NW-A37HN |
| 10:33:43 | pamaury | your device is not supported as of now |
| 10:33:51 | Jonathan_ | yes |
| 10:35:27 | Jonathan_ | that means i can not change the Language? |
| 10:38:52 | pamaury | hm, I just looked and the NW-A30 should be supported by the latest scsitool, which version did you use? |
| 10:39:27 | Jonathan_ | scsitool-nwz-v7.exe |
| 10:44:56 | pamaury | hm, ok I'm busy right now. Can you stay on the channel for one/two hours? |
| 10:45:09 | Jonathan_ | ok |
| 10:45:17 | Jonathan_ | many thanks |
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| 10:58:30 | pamaury | Jonathan_: try running: |
| 10:58:30 | pamaury | scsitool-nwz-vX.exe H: -s nw-a30 dest_tool get |
| 10:58:37 | pamaury | (replace H: with the driver letter) |
| 10:58:48 | Jonathan_ | ok |
| 10:59:44 | lebellium | and X by 7 :) |
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| 11:00:32 | Jonathan_ | is work many thanks |
| 11:00:33 | pamaury | lebellium: did you see my log on irc about dead links? |
| 11:00:49 | pamaury | Jonathan_: you can then change the destination with |
| 11:00:49 | pamaury | scsitool-nwz-vX.exe H: -s nw-a30 dest_tool set E2 off |
| 11:00:49 | pamaury | (for example) |
| 11:03:07 | Jonathan_ | restarting |
| 11:04:48 | lebellium | pamaury: yes, due to my hundreds or thousands server requests, I suspect Sony moved or renamed the MDSM directory but I couldn't find the new location pattern. |
| 11:05:34 | lebellium | that's why I put alternative download links |
| 11:05:59 | lebellium | but I want to keep the original link to have the SM number in case someone finds the new location |
| 11:07:18 | pamaury | ok makes sense |
| 11:07:29 | pamaury | Jonathan_: don't forget to reset all settings on your device |
| 11:08:24 | Jonathan_ | many thanks |
| 11:10:25 | lebellium | pamaury: why is -s needed for A30? |
| 11:10:34 | lebellium | I thought it worked out of the box in v6 |
| 11:10:51 | pamaury | no, because for the A30 series we don't have the list of model IDs |
| 11:11:03 | Jonathan_ | but still can not change T Chinese |
| 11:11:16 | Jonathan_ | scsitool-nwz-v7.exe D: -s nw-a30 dest_tool set TW off |
| 11:11:41 | pamaury | I extracted the list of model IDs from Sony's firmware, but since we cannot crack the encryption of the A30 (that looks different from other devices), I had to take the list of the A20, and thus it stops at A20 |
| 11:11:52 | Jonathan_ | now just show english only |
| 11:12:44 | pamaury | Jonathan_: change destination is not something supported by Sony, if Sony did not put the chinese translation on the device, you can't have it I guess. Maybe try other destination codes |
| 11:13:08 | Jonathan_ | ok many thanks |
| 11:13:20 | lebellium | well, you should have a language menu on device |
| 11:13:24 | lebellium | with T chinese |
| 11:13:47 | lebellium | T chinese being the default language in TW is my observation on NWZ-A10, that's why I wrote that on the wiki |
| 11:13:57 | Jonathan_ | no the language menu on device |
| 11:14:25 | Jonathan_ | when restart just show set time only |
| 11:15:10 | lebellium | Normally the language menu is only missing in J destination code |
| 11:15:21 | lebellium | for all other destination codes you should have a language menu in the settings |
| 11:16:21 | Jonathan_ | my nw-37hn buy form japan |
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| 11:20:49 | lebellium | pamaury: you actually have the list of model IDS page 9 of the A30 service manual |
| 11:22:42 | pamaury | lebellium: ah cool, I'll add them to the list then |
| 11:24:01 | Jonathan_ | scsitool-nwz-v7.exe D: -s nw-a30 dest_tool set E off |
| 11:24:17 | Jonathan_ | can change all language |
| 11:25:36 | Jonathan_ | use set E off, have the language menu on device |
| 11:25:47 | Jonathan_ | many many thanks |
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| 11:26:29 | lebellium | Jonathan_: nice |
| 11:27:34 | Jonathan_ | Thanks all |
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| 12:25:58 | lorenzo92 | lebellium: I am working on recording for ypr0 and ypr1 :-) |
| 12:26:40 | lorenzo92 | on ypr0, radio is now recordable, ypr1 mic + fm radio need some work since it cannot recover back to playback, I guess there is still to improve the wm1808 codec driver for this device |
| 12:27:29 | lorenzo92 | backend is alsa, by the way, currently by using the asynch callback which is something that could be replace with select() calls in a proper thread or by simulating DMA by mmpaping |
| 12:28:02 | lebellium | nice! |
| 12:29:59 | lebellium | since I go in holiday 1 week from tomorrow I have some things to prepare today so I'm not sure I'll have time to try out some things for Rockbox and YP-R0/R1 but I'll have time in May |
| 12:31:44 | lorenzo92 | lebellium: sure, no need to rush...I'll submit initial patches soon |
| 12:32:42 | lorenzo92 | lebellium: I would also love to finally mark ypr0 and ypr1 as stable xD |
| 12:34:12 | lorenzo92 | for which, the 2 most important tasks are manual (no idea where to start, do we also need screendumps for that?) and rbutil (I need to re-analyze the required stuff) |
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| 13:02:07 | lebellium | just go my 6th YP-R0 |
| 13:02:09 | lebellium | :D |
| 13:02:10 | lebellium | got* |
| 13:08:37 | * | pimpin8 is listening to Oddisee — Built by Pictures, from the album The Iceberg |
| 13:08:38 | lorenzo92 | hehe second hand shop or what? |
| 13:08:44 | lorenzo92 | lebellium: ^^ |
| 13:09:07 | lebellium | lorenzo92: a guy on my French forums sold it to me for 20€ |
| 13:09:07 | lorenzo92 | because I am also looking for another one, in case mine decides not to work anymore ... |
| 13:10:29 | pamaury_ | lebellium: that sounds like 5 too many ;) |
| 13:10:45 | lebellium | pamaury_: I said YP-R0, not Fuze+ |
| 13:10:46 | pamaury_ | by the way, I am working on some tool to help check the manual's keymap againts the source code |
| 13:10:47 | lebellium | :P |
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| 13:11:21 | pamaury | mt goal is not necessarily to automate the manual building but to help find potential inconsistencies |
| 13:12:27 | lorenzo92 | kind on lazy now to read the wiki, is the manual also requiring images i.e. screendumps? |
| 13:13:11 | pamaury | I am not 100% sure about this, either the images are necessarily but only one set per screen size, or it fallbacks to some version if not found |
| 13:13:36 | pamaury | I guess one set per screen size |
| 13:14:08 | lebellium | there are usually some screendumps for the plugins |
| 13:14:21 | lebellium | but you can take the one from the Fuze+ (240x320) |
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| 13:59:41 | lorenzo92 | pamaury: I see, thanks |
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| 14:11:53 | lebellium | lorenzo92: I think the priority for YP-R0 should be fixing the keymapping |
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| 14:41:45 | prof_wolfff | __builtin: about rbutil for ipod6g in 3.14, i think the Windows and Linux version are ready, i am going to test it on a borrowed Mac mini this weekend but not sure how it will result, let's see what bluebrother thinks about it |
| 14:42:54 | bluebrother | hello. |
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| 14:43:56 | bluebrother | prof_wolfff: nice. Though I currently have some issues building Rockbox Utility on OS X due to libcryptopp |
| 14:44:03 | bluebrother | need to figure that ... |
| 14:44:43 | bluebrother | I was considering to import cryptopp into our repository so we can build it directly. We can still link against a system library on Linux |
| 14:45:04 | bluebrother | (and then debian / ubuntu calls it crypto++, while fedora and upstream calls it cryptopp ...) |
| 14:46:10 | prof_wolfff | bluebrother: about cryptopp, see g#1585 and g#1589 |
| 14:46:12 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #1585 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1585 : rbutil: fix compilation issues on mkimxboot and rbutil by Cástor Muñoz |
| 14:46:12 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #1589 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1589 : Use pkg-config to set crypto++ flags by Franklin Wei |
| 14:47:00 | prof_wolfff | on Ubuntu it is called cryptopp but includes links to crypto++ IIRC |
| 14:47:41 | bluebrother | hmm, then I need to check that on a debian box (don't have a working ubuntu one around, but at least a debian machine) |
| 14:48:06 | bluebrother | but if they at least include a link then that should be find −− if we use libcryptopp instead of libcrypto++ |
| 14:48:12 | pamaury | if cryptopp turns out to be the most general then let's go for it |
| 14:48:28 | pamaury | however what about pkg-config? Does that work on Mac and Windows? |
| 14:48:36 | bluebrother | usually no |
| 14:48:45 | prof_wolfff | i will also try to compile and test rbutil for ipod6g on a Mac mini today or tomorrow and fix/add the needed code to work on Mac |
| 14:49:27 | bluebrother | and Mac doesn't have cryptopp installed −− you need to do that yourself. And then you can run into issues. I've stumbled across that a while back, there seems to be a difference if you compile with gcc and clang |
| 14:49:48 | bluebrother | and homebrew uses gcc, while OS X itself uses clang |
| 14:50:14 | bluebrother | it's a bit of a mess and I haven't had enough time to figure it |
| 14:50:55 | bluebrother | and then we'll get issues with zlib on Windows ... newer Qt versions don't export the zlib symbols anymore like they did in the past (which has been considered a bug) |
| 14:51:20 | bluebrother | so right now I'm considering to add zlib and cryptopp to our repository, and use that if needed (i.e. on Windows and OS X) |
| 14:52:15 | prof_wolfff | ATM we are using homebrew to install libusb prior to compile mks5lboot on Mac, it seems to work well: https://files.freemyipod.org/~user890104/bootloader-ipodclassic.html |
| 14:52:50 | bluebrother | libusb is a C library. cryptopp is C++. That unfortunately makes a difference (C libs are _much_ easier to handle) |
| 14:53:05 | prof_wolfff | ah! ok |
| 14:53:13 | bluebrother | oh, and we do need libusb on OS X? That's ... ugly :( |
| 14:54:01 | prof_wolfff | yes, why it is bad?, it works well |
| 14:54:34 | bluebrother | because handling that dependency for deployment is ... a pain |
| 14:54:45 | bluebrother | we had that dependency in the past. Took quite some time to get rid of it |
| 14:54:54 | bluebrother | and made things much simpler |
| 14:55:05 | prof_wolfff | so what is the alternative? |
| 14:55:19 | bluebrother | especially since we're (still) targeting 10.4, which also means ppc support |
| 14:55:48 | bluebrother | good question :) What is libusb needed for? |
| 14:56:05 | prof_wolfff | yes i was supposing that libusb is for intel 10.5+, right? |
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| 14:56:55 | bluebrother | not sure what the current state is. Back then it did work on 10.4ppc, but you'd need to be careful about that, make sure you get the correct lib linked etc. |
| 14:56:57 | prof_wolfff | libusb is needed to handle the installation of the bootloader in DFU mode |
| 14:58:13 | bluebrother | hmm. |
| 14:58:30 | bluebrother | well, the alternative is a native implementation of course :) But that's quite some work unfortunately |
| 14:59:10 | prof_wolfff | openiBoot was using and 'old' API to access USB DFU mode, i can add that API to mks5lboot but i am not sure if it does worth, does this native API work on new Macs? |
| 14:59:52 | bluebrother | so the question arises if we still want to target 10.4ppc or simply go 10.6+ |
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| 15:00:11 | bluebrother | since then we can get rid of ppc support |
| 15:00:59 | prof_wolfff | mks5lboot is prepared to support various APIs, i.e. it supports winapi or libusb on windows, it is possible to do it for Mac, not easy so not sure it does worth |
| 15:01:32 | * | user890104 has a OS X 10.11 virtual machine with xcode, rockbox source and cryptopp source cloned from git |
| 15:02:00 | bluebrother | hmm. With this winapi support (you're talking about winusb I guess?), what requirements puts that up? At least Win7? |
| 15:02:17 | bluebrother | or Vista, afaik winusb was introduced with Vista |
| 15:05:02 | bluebrother | I'm fine with going OS X 10.6+ / Win7+, but we need to make sure to make that a clear decision |
| 15:05:03 | prof_wolfff | yes i think it is winusb, i don't use Windows so ATM not sure, it is the API used when Apple drivers are installed, it is tested in XP, win7 and win10 |
| 15:05:36 | bluebrother | that sounds like something different. winusb is something libusb like that's shipped with Windows. |
| 15:05:57 | bluebrother | but I'm also not familiar with those Apple drivers |
| 15:06:59 | user890104 | ipodscsi is using apple's driver on windows |
| 15:07:06 | user890104 | no winusb/libusb |
| 15:07:36 | user890104 | it opens a device at windows-specific path name, and communicates with it using windows apis |
| 15:08:25 | bluebrother | ok ... |
| 15:08:25 | prof_wolfff | well, after revising that: it uses libusb for WinUSB drivers (i.e. Zadig) and the native Windows API for Apple Drivers |
| 15:09:01 | prof_wolfff | the installed driver is detected and the it uses the appropriate API |
| 15:09:08 | prof_wolfff | then* |
| 15:09:08 | bluebrother | hmmm? My understanding is that if you use winusb you don't need libusb, since winusb is a similar thing. |
| 15:09:51 | bluebrother | ah, so it checks if you have some libusb based driver installed? But that would be something the user needs to install first explicitly? While the Apple drivers are usually installed when installing Itunes? |
| 15:10:58 | prof_wolfff | yes, i was referring to a installed WinUSB type driver, the library used is libusbX, if not it uses the native windows API (for Apple drivers) |
| 15:11:32 | prof_wolfff | it is some confusing, there are also libusbK and libusb0 type drivers |
| 15:11:33 | user890104 | bluebrother: the error i get on OSX is: https://pastebin.com/fg9BGP1P |
| 15:11:49 | user890104 | looks like it fails on the final linking stage |
| 15:12:12 | user890104 | i guess i fail to provide it with the correct path for libcryptopp |
| 15:12:40 | prof_wolfff | yes, if the uses does not have iTunes installed then he must install a libUSB driver |
| 15:13:20 | prof_wolfff | see https://files.freemyipod.org/~user890104/bootloader-ipodclassic-v1_0/README.mks5lboot.txt "Windows Only" section |
| 15:13:22 | bluebrother | does Rockbox Utility needs to use libusb in that case? Or only the driver? |
| 15:13:44 | pimpin8 | how can i make a playlist with rockbox |
| 15:14:04 | prof_wolfff | libusb is only used by the mks5lboot.a library, not rbutil itself |
| 15:14:09 | user890104 | prof_wolfff: iiuc, if you have apple's driver, mks5lboot will use that. if not, it will use libusb, but the user need to install the libusb driver in advance, is that right? |
| 15:14:24 | user890104 | (talking about windows only) |
| 15:14:34 | bluebrother | prof_wolfff: since we statically link mks5lboot.a that means Rockbox Utility needs to link against libusb |
| 15:14:44 | prof_wolfff | yes, mks5lboot needs to be linked against libusb |
| 15:14:50 | bluebrother | :( |
| 15:15:05 | bluebrother | I'd really like to avoid a dependency on libusb on Windows / OS X |
| 15:15:29 | bluebrother | can it be built in a Apple-only way? |
| 15:15:40 | prof_wolfff | yes, rbutil needs to be linked with libusb, it is needed for mks5lboot.a |
| 15:16:29 | user890104 | bluebrother: why do you want to avoid libusb? |
| 15:16:31 | prof_wolfff | yes, we could remove the libusb dependency easily but then the user needs to install the Apple drivers (iTunes) |
| 15:17:06 | user890104 | prof_wolfff: it is possible to install the apple drivers without installing itunes |
| 15:17:19 | user890104 | there are instructions on the freemyipod wiki |
| 15:17:43 | prof_wolfff | i think so, they are included in a folder with iTunes, but not sure if they are distributed without iTunes |
| 15:18:03 | user890104 | well, you can cheat a bit, and download itunes' setup |
| 15:18:09 | user890104 | then extract it with 7-zip |
| 15:18:21 | user890104 | and run only AppleMobileDeviceSomethingSomething.exe |
| 15:18:35 | bluebrother | user890104: (1) additional dependency / complexity for development / deployment, (2) more options for the user -> more confusion |
| 15:18:52 | user890104 | so if the user already has itunes, mks5lboot should work fine |
| 15:19:17 | user890104 | if not, they can choose 1) to install itunes, or 2) to extract the drivers from itunes' setup and install only them |
| 15:19:18 | prof_wolfff | yes, even with a mks5lboot not linked with libusb |
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| 15:19:32 | bluebrother | it's a bit like when it comes to restoring the Ipod: use Itunes :) |
| 15:19:42 | prof_wolfff | :) |
| 15:20:03 | bluebrother | there are other ways (which I used myself) but those are more advanced, and thus something I'd keep out of something like Rockbox Utility |
| 15:20:09 | prof_wolfff | but actually there is no native API support for Mac, only libusb |
| 15:20:41 | user890104 | how do other installers that need usb access work on mac? |
| 15:20:47 | bluebrother | ok, but at least on Windows we could have a Apple-driver-only solution, which should fit 99.9% of the users. Right? |
| 15:21:08 | bluebrother | how many installers do need usb access are actually out there? ;-) |
| 15:21:40 | user890104 | uhm, honestly i don't know, that's why i'm asking |
| 15:21:49 | bluebrother | the only thing that comes to mind are tools that require special USB drivers anyway, so you'd need to implement a driver :) |
| 15:23:07 | bluebrother | I guess it needs a bit more investigation to figure if we can avoid libusb on OS X |
| 15:23:16 | prof_wolfff | yes, a appls-driver-only solution is ready, but rbutils compilation using -lusb-1.0 works well for me, see http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/1268/14/rbutil/rbutilqt/rbutilqt.pro |
| 15:24:25 | prof_wolfff | it seems that the libusb problem could be the same for cryptopp |
| 15:25:51 | bluebrother | prof_wolfff: well, where do you get libusb from? And which version / binary? The main problem is that there is no standard way to get it. If MinGW would ship it ... |
| 15:26:11 | bluebrother | and a similar problem exists with zlib. In case you build with MSVC you cannot simply -lz |
| 15:26:24 | prof_wolfff | just a moment... |
| 15:26:50 | bluebrother | so for the zlib issue I'm considering to add our own copy. It's not that much actually. |
| 15:27:04 | bluebrother | cryptopp is a much larger library unfortunately. |
| 15:28:04 | prof_wolfff | i used mingw32-gcc-4.8.1 + precompiled libusbx-1.0.15 |
| 15:28:30 | bluebrother | ok, so let's say I want to build using MSVC ... |
| 15:29:05 | bluebrother | oh, and does libusb link statically? |
| 15:29:52 | prof_wolfff | yes, version 1.0.15 links statically for 32-bit |
| 15:30:52 | prof_wolfff | newer precompiled libusb versions i tested has problems linking for 32-bit regarding some 64-bit dependency issues |
| 15:31:56 | prof_wolfff | actually there are mks5lboot and rbutil 32-bit executables statically linked using the precompiled libusbx-1.0.15 |
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| 15:33:17 | bluebrother | ok, so that's working now but likely to give problems in the future when things change |
| 15:34:00 | prof_wolfff | yes, more than likely :( |
| 15:34:27 | bluebrother | that's why I would like to avoid these dependencies. I've had my fair share of hunting down such issues, don't need more of that :) |
| 15:35:30 | bluebrother | so. On Windows we could rely on the Apple drivers (which means we require the user to install Itunes and check the "enable disk access" box). That'll allows us to get rid of libusb on Windows |
| 15:35:48 | bluebrother | OS X is a more complicated unfortunately |
| 15:36:00 | prof_wolfff | yes, i can remove easily the libusb dependency and use only native API for windows |
| 15:36:15 | bluebrother | you can just #ifdef that part |
| 15:37:00 | bluebrother | so we can still build it with libusb, but then I'd go for using libusb-less for Rockbox Utility, and if someone needs a libusb-based approach it could be done using command line tools |
| 15:37:02 | prof_wolfff | it is already done, just comment USE_LIBUSB |
| 15:37:09 | bluebrother | oh, nice |
| 15:37:55 | prof_wolfff | yes, we can supply mks5lboot.exe with libusb support and rbutil with only native API |
| 15:38:25 | bluebrother | great :) |
| 15:39:02 | prof_wolfff | i suspect there is no native API on OS X 10.6+, right? |
| 15:44:35 | bluebrother | prof_wolfff: there's IOKit: https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/DeviceDrivers/Conceptual/IOKitFundamentals/Introduction/Introduction.html |
| 15:44:55 | bluebrother | that's how we get the attached USB devices on OS X right now |
| 15:45:21 | bluebrother | see base/system.cpp:337 |
| 15:45:55 | bluebrother | though I don't know if that's feasible for our purpose |
| 15:47:04 | prof_wolfff | i think so, it seems the openiBoot project is using that API, i can try to port it but will take some time, the important thing is that i can test it on a Mac mini |
| 15:50:30 | bluebrother | oh, great. Upstream creates a libcryptopp.so. Debian has libcrypto++.so, but a symlink libcryptopp.so, at least. But pkg-config doesn't know about cryptopp, only libcrypto++ :( |
| 15:51:01 | prof_wolfff | will try to do that and update the gerrit patch ASAP |
| 15:51:20 | bluebrother | I'll try to find some time for the zlib / cryptopp issues |
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| 17:19:33 | monotux | quirk of the day, my ipod classic (120 gb originally) wont start as it only has 3653 mW available. anyone else with this problem? |
| 17:34:26 | johnb2 | pamaury: I am trying to enable Sony A20. Searching through the different files and comparing with A10, I am confused when to name the model nwz-a20 and nw-a20, i.e. omitting the z. |
| 17:35:05 | johnb2 | Is there a special logic behind that or was the z just left out by mistake? |
| 17:39:22 | johnb2 | You do this for the A30 in a similar manner, but I thought the A20 was like the A10. |
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| 17:51:37 | lebellium | johnb3: A20 and A30 only exist as NW while the A10 can be both NW and NWZ |
| 17:53:01 | lebellium | well, not exactly. The A10 only exists as NWZ, it was not sold in Japan |
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| 17:59:46 | lebellium | I'm wrong, it was sold in Japan http://www.sony.jp/support/walkman/download/nw-a10s/ |
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| 18:09:20 | johnb3 | Ah, I see. Then I will change it to consistently be NW-A20 only. |
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| 18:58:58 | johnb3 | pamaury: trying to compile mknwzboot, I get |
| 18:59:28 | johnb3 | ../../utils/nwztools/upgtools/mg.cpp:22:31: fatal error: crypto++/cryptlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:59:45 | johnb3 | the whole crypto++ directory is not existing. |
| 18:59:58 | johnb3 | How would I get this? |
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| 19:23:05 | johnb3 | pamaury: would you be so kind to review http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1597 ? |
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| 19:48:04 | saratoga | seems surprising no one noticed |
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| 21:10:56 | saratoga | lorenzo92: do you speak italian? if so could you look at FS #13111 ? Otherwise I'll just commit it for the 3.14 release |
| 21:10:57 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/13111 updated Italian translation (bugs, unconfirmed) |
| 21:13:14 | lebellium | will it be really version 3.14 with so many changes? |
| 21:13:37 | lebellium | it should be 4.0 |
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| 22:44:17 | prof_wolfff | monotux: it seems the iPod is modified with a different HDD that consumes more power than the original HDD, right?, are you using the new bootloader? |
| 22:58:50 | __builtin | lebellium: my thinking is that 4.0 will be distinguished by not having HWCODEC support |
| 22:58:55 | __builtin | whereas 3.14 will |
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| 23:00:11 | lebellium | so dropping HWCODEC support is a bigger change than the hundreds changes between 3.13 and 3.14? |
| 23:00:16 | lebellium | That doesn't make any sense to me :S |
| 23:00:54 | __builtin | there have certainly been tons of changes since 3.13, it's just that it's more significant to have 4.0 mean "no HWCODEC" than "many changes" imo |
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