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#rockbox log for 2017-07-11

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01:46:44__builtinhmm, this is weird
01:46:51__builtinconvttf-generated fonts won't load properly
01:47:01__builtinit seems to fall back to SYSFIXED
01:53:00HunterebBilgus Is there a chance you'd compile and upload that set of firmware + bootloader within the next hour? I have to go to sleep soon because I'm still recovering from a long drive back from Florida vacation and I need some extra rest time... Would love to have it for tomorrow.
01:53:36HunterebI might just set up a build environment on my home server of this project for the future, are there any benefits to that besides committing personal patches?
01:55:02__builtinyeah, getting to use other people's patches
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02:00:45Bilgus_phHuntereb noit'llbeabout3hoursfromnowwhenI'm backat my devmachine
02:01:18Bilgus_phwhy spaces didn't work IDK 3- hours from now when I get back to my dev machine**
02:03:45__builtindoes anyone know if the built-in font and UI font count towards the max number of fonts?
02:04:54HunterebAw, I guess I'll check back in tomorrow sometime ;(
02:06:14Huntereb__builtin btw I'm reading every question you're asking, sorry I can't help. I'll probably set up a build environment tomorrow as well just to get more familiar with this project ;)
02:07:13__builtinyou're free to disregard them if you wish ;)
02:08:04__builtinI'm working on making the puzzles games have nice adaptable font sizes, by the way
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02:12:02HunterebThey use their own specific fonts now, and you want them to scale with the selected system font or something?
02:13:08__builtinno, for now they're stuck with whatever font the theme has
02:13:27__builtinwhich doesn't work well for some of the text-oriented ones
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02:13:37HunterebAh, ok I getcha
02:13:42HunterebSounds like a good fix
02:13:55__builtinI'm thinking I'll have to provide a special font pack
02:14:51HunterebWhy not use the default system font if that's what they were originally designed around? They could still be scaled using this font as well.
02:15:31__builtinthe thing is, they weren't designed for rockbox at all
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02:17:05HunterebOh, well that changes things :x
02:17:32__builtinthey originated from here: https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles
02:17:53__builtinI ported them to rockbox a couple months ago
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02:20:00chapuHey, everyone. I'm having very weird issues when trying to uninstall Rockbox. Any help would be much appreciated.
02:20:06HunterebWow I didn't know they were so new to the project, amazing how active development is. At one point I heard this project was still and almost abandoned, but that must have been false.
02:21:30Hunterebchapu what's the problem?
02:21:32HunterebAlso, __builtin is it normal for the stock sansa firmware to erase my rockbox settings when I boot into it? ;(
02:21:47__builtindid you save them in rockbox?
02:22:28__builtinthey're only saved when you soft-poweroff or manually save them, afaik
02:23:12chapuI tried the utility to uninstall, says I have to do it manually.
02:23:22chapuBut when I remove the folder manually, it does not actually disappear.
02:23:31chapuIf I eject and reconnect, it's all still there.
02:23:41chapuEven tried formatting with GParted (I use Linux) to no avail.
02:23:51chapuI can't delete nor create new files.
02:24:01__builtinyou can't just remove the rockbox files, you need to remove the bootloader
02:24:08Huntereb__builtin I saved the configs manually but they got erased when I rebooted into the sansa firmware, it was like rockbox was initialized :/
02:24:10chapuI was about to try the dd method described in https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick
02:24:18chapubut I thought it would be best to ask here first,
02:24:34__builtinchapu: I don't think that'll be necessary
02:24:53Hunterebchapu If you're actually mounting the device and you can't write to it at all, maybe your flash memory is broken? Is it a sansa device?
02:25:26chapuIt doesn't seem broken.
02:25:29chapuSorry, I forgot to mention.
02:25:35chapuIt's a Sansa Clip+
02:25:43HunterebAre you able to write any data to the device at all?
02:25:53chapuThe player works just fine (except it will sometimes randomly throw a kernel panic with Rockbox)
02:26:01chapuThat's why I wanted to remove, format and reinstall.
02:26:05chapuBut all the music is still there
02:26:08chapuI can listen to it.
02:26:17chapuAlthough it does take a few tries to get it on.
02:26:22chapuNop, not able to.
02:26:27chapuIs the memory dead? :-(
02:26:32HunterebBecause from what I've heard, sansa devices flash memory units usually die and don't let you write anymore. Just read...
02:26:46HunterebSounds like you have a common case of dead flash memory :/
02:26:47__builtinhow old is it?
02:27:18chapuLess than a year, a refurb though
02:27:33HunterebDo clip+'s allow expandable storage?
02:27:33chapuI had another one previously, same model.
02:27:44chapuEnded up just not turning on suddenly one dat.
02:27:46chapu*day
02:27:52chapuYeap, via microSD
02:28:31HunterebIf they allow micro SD's you could just boot rockbox and store new music on the SD card... But as for removing the old music and installing newer versions of rockbox... You might be SOL now that it's occured.
02:29:26chapuDang.
02:29:40chapuSo no amount of dd over bash will solve this, right?
02:29:44HunterebAs Bilgus_ph mentioned previously, you could have installed a custom bootloader to boot rockbox data from the SD and never have to worry about dying internal storage, because all you'd ever be doing is using the onboard storage's bootloader, and rockbox would be updatable from SD. Too late for that, though...
02:29:46chapuIt's just the memory went the way of the dodo.
02:30:17chapuHum.
02:30:33chapuGood thing last time I bought the Clip+, I bought two of them :-)
02:30:43HunterebIf you'd already tried writing 0's over the whole drive and all that fun stuff, and you have the same result every time, you're probably not gonna be able to do much. Unless you're having permissions issues in Linux, I doubt gparted is doing its job wrong.
02:30:48chapuI've got a spare, unused (refurb as well, though) sleeping inside a drawer.
02:30:59chapuNope, didn't try the dd yet.
02:31:06chapuThe article said to ask first.
02:31:36__builtinchapu: so what are you trying to do? remove rockbox completely?
02:32:30Huntereb__builtin he's just trying to do anything to his internal storage
02:32:40HunterebAnd he's testing it by wiping it clean, but he can't seem to
02:32:44chapuWell, when I started having these issues, I thought I would try removing and reinstalling Rockbox.
02:33:00chapuRight, after I noticed this I tried to just format the damn thing
02:33:02chapuNo dice.
02:33:21chapuDo you think dd'ing the original firmware is worth a shot?
02:34:20*__builtin isn't an expert on the sansas
02:34:27HunterebI guess the clip and stuff get mounted as plain usb flash drives, probably not mtp, so DD would be alright to use on it to give it a try. Just make sure you actually select the proper drive letter or you could fuck shit up baaaad.
02:34:49chapuHahahah! yeah, I'll be careful.
02:36:14chapuThanks a bunch, guys.
02:36:20HunterebDo you know what dd is? It mirrors an image to a destination. Meaning virtual locations like /dev/null or /dev/random can be used to write all 0's or "random" data to a destination device.
02:36:30chapuYeah, I know dd.
02:36:36__builtinwait
02:36:50chapuIs there some tutorial page for the custom bootloader for SD cards somewhere you can point me to?
02:36:52__builtinyou shouldn't be doing this unless it's actually bricked
02:36:54HunterebThat's why I say be careful if you don't know what you're doing lol
02:37:02chapuI'd like to try that with my last remaining Clip+
02:37:11__builtinchapu: Bilgus here should know about that
02:37:21chapuWell, it's not bricked...
02:37:27chapuBut it's not much use, either.
02:37:39chapuI mean, yeah, I can keep on using it with the music that's already loaded.
02:37:40__builtinwhat's wrong with it>?
02:37:51chapuBut it will eventually crash and burn, right?
02:38:14HunterebLet me look at how internal storage is mounted when my device is plugged in, dd might not be the best idea... It's probably some odd emulated device.
02:38:29chapuIt randomly throws kernel panics, takes several seconds to boot up, once you power it off, after a few minutes, it doesn't turn back on (you have to do a hard reset).
02:38:45Huntereb__builtin he can't write to it so it looks like the flash memory is gone.
02:38:45chapuThose are the main issues.
02:38:52__builtinchapu: it's highly unlikely that trying a random procedure that's not designed for this situation will fix it
02:39:09HunterebHe's not trying to fix it
02:39:17chapuTrue that.
02:39:22HunterebHe's just trying to get any kind of write working at this point
02:39:45chapuThe biggest annoyance for me is the problem when turning it on, at this point.
02:39:58__builtinit won't suddenly make the flash work, either ;)
02:40:17chapuEvery time I have to do the hard reset a couple of times (hold down home + power for about 20 secs) before it will actually turn on.
02:40:50HunterebThat is also true... chapu are you certain you're not just having permissions issues when mounting the device on linux? Can you save config files on the device itself?
02:41:10chapuI haven't really tried.
02:41:19chapuBut when I copy something into the player, Linux doesn't complain.
02:41:24chapuIt's like it worked.
02:41:30HunterebBut nothing appears?
02:41:38chapuOnly that I eject it, plug it back, and the thing I copied is just not there.
02:41:41chapuRight.
02:41:53chapuAll the rest of the files are still in there, though.
02:41:57HunterebThe flash memory is probably just reporting back that the write was successful even though it failed
02:41:59chapuAround 8GB of mp3s
02:42:17HunterebThat's pretty standard of flahs drives and such
02:42:23chapuI didn't know flash memory could fail so... catastrophically.
02:42:31chapuStill being able to read but no writing? Bonkers.
02:42:43HunterebYeah
02:42:49chapuMust be these crazy Sansa memchips.
02:43:02chapuEvery single USB thumb drive that ever died on me would die a more dignified death.
02:43:17chapuYou know, stop being detected by the OS, errors while trying to write AND read.
02:43:23chapuThings like that.
02:43:30HunterebAnyway, my fuze+ mounts as a plain fat32 partition, so DD should be fine to use on it, just format it back to fat32 when you're done, if it even accomplishes anything.
02:43:44chapuWell, it's not like I'm missing on much.
02:43:54chapuI'll give it a shot. If it doesn't work, I still have the other one.
02:44:06chapuSo I can install a bootloader and do everything from the SD?
02:44:10chapuSweeeeeeeet.
02:44:16HunterebThat's just what i've heard as common from the sansa line in my research, yeah it is odd-ish but it happens. Fortunately it happens this way with these specific devices...
02:44:41chapuThanks a lot for all the input, chaps.
02:44:43chapuMuch appreciated.
02:44:49HunterebYeah, I'd ask Bilgus_ph about it like I mentioned. He told me about it earlier and it seems like the best option.
02:45:15HunterebNo problem, the people here seem really friendly so I want to return the favor ;D
02:45:31Bilgus_phSee Multiboot http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51844.0.html
02:46:01Bilgus_phthe files for FUZE+ aren't there yet but will be in a few hours
02:46:05Hunterebbtw chapu, gparted has an option to write all 0's if you like UI's better than commandline applications.
02:47:34chapuOoooh, I'll defo give that a try.
02:47:43Hunterebhttps://lewd.pics/f/c9ec2b60/2017-07-10-204711_1280x800_scrot.png
02:54:37__builtinthese TTF fonts look like crap below 10px
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02:57:54Huntereblol
02:58:16Huntereb__builtin don't make it look too pretty, rockbox already looks so unpolished and that's what makes it feel so comfy to me"
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03:00:54__builtinoh don't worry, it'll still look like crap when it's done
03:01:46__builtinwell crap, it looks like I've got a bad cable
03:03:24HunterebWhat device are you deving on __builtin?
03:03:30__builtinipod6g
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03:06:02HunterebWow, that sounds like a fun device to carry around. Have you put a bigger battery and storage into it?
03:06:31HunterebI've seen people put stuff like 3000mAh batteries and SSD's into the ipods, which would just awesome.
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03:09:17__builtinno, this one's all stock
03:09:26HunterebSpecs?
03:09:50HunterebProbably gonna roll over and sleep in a sec tho
03:10:03__builtin160GB, 216MHz ARM
03:10:10__builtin64MB RAM
03:10:20HunterebYeesh, more than enough space for me...
03:10:40__builtinit's a pretty nice piece of hardware
03:11:10HunterebI'm surprised, for some reason I expected beefier specs for an Apple handheld, but I mean, it's just a music player... 64MB must be huge for rockbox.
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03:15:59HunterebI'm off to sleep, nighty night. Thanks again for all the help!
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04:26:08__builtinyay, fancy fonts work :)
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11:23:23HunterebBilgus installed! Seems to be working as I have the menu option mentioned in the OP. Thanks!!
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12:01:43SPLESH_2015is there a way to use scsitool on Mac ?
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12:06:39pamaury_Splesh: which scsitool? (There are two) At the moment the SCSI library (lib/SCSI) is not ported to Mac but I don't think it's super hard, just someone with a Mac needs to do it
12:07:17SPLESH_2015pamaury_: Hi I got A35 by the way and made some photos
12:08:14SPLESH_2015sadly I can not upload them and quality of my camera is not so greate
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12:10:40SPLESH_2015eMMC used in my device is KLMAG2WEPD-B031
12:11:02pamaury_Did you manage to dump the emmc?
12:13:00SPLESH_2015with SD Card adapter it is not possible i will get specialized eMMC/NAND programmer tomorrow
12:13:38SPLESH_2015this emmc is configured for 1.8V IO
12:15:25pamaury_Ok, I hope it will work
12:18:23SPLESH_2015Yes also will have to create some sort of board preheater because they using Lead free solder and I have only air heat soldering station
12:18:38SPLESH_2015I will be not easy task
12:21:03pamaury_That sounds complicated
12:21:19*pamaury_ is not an electronical engineer
12:21:55SPLESH_2015pamaury_: if you interested in my photos of the board I uploaded them to my GoogleDrive and posted link in here yesterday.
12:22:37pamaury_Yes I saw the link but I'm abroad and my connection is crap
12:24:20SPLESH_2015I'm too not electronical engineer it is just a hobby of mine but I am in this hobby for a long time so may be i will have luck )
12:27:25SPLESH_2015and for that specific player it will be one way trip i'm afraid i will be not able to put it back
12:27:55SPLESH_2015I mean the eMMC chip
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12:28:51pamaury_Maybe someone here can help you put it back? I am sure we have some skilled people in this channel ;)
12:28:55SammysHPSPLESH_2015: so how do you get it out?
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12:29:30SammysHPhuh? both gone?
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12:50:46duo8anyone here with a binary of convttf?
12:50:58duo8i can't compile
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15:34:17SPLESH_2015SammysHP: I will disolder eMMC chip with hot air gun from my soldering station and then connect it to a special device to extract data from chip
15:35:28SPLESH_2015SammysHP: Here is raw example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOYo9AcUQQI
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15:42:30wodzSPLESH_2015: what package is this eMMC? BGA?
15:43:30SPLESH_2015wodz: yes it is BGA153 11.5x13 mm size i believe
15:44:28wodzSPLESH_2015: moving it out with hotair should be pretty easy. Putting it back not so much without some experience :-)
15:46:09SPLESH_2015wodz: yes and with out stencil for it too
15:47:01wodzSPLESH_2015: this are easily available for a set of standard BGA types
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15:49:41SPLESH_2015wodz: yes I ordered one from china already but before i will do i will experiment on some other boards that I have to be 100% confident in what i'm doing
15:54:19SPLESH_2015will also try to connect to it in system but this is not easy task too
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16:06:31Bilgusduo8, I have a ubuntu 32bit version of convttf and I also put the freetype source files in there for you have a look at freetype/docs/install.<system>
16:06:32Bilgushttp://www.mediafire.com/file/4yilvgh9lje57h8/freetype.zip
16:07:04duo8huh, my system is 64bit tho
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16:07:32duo8don't know why i can't compile
16:08:34BilgusI figured it was bc you don't have freetype installed?
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16:10:36Bilgussorry.
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16:26:52SammysHPSPLESH_2015: use solder paste
16:27:06SammysHPshould work fine (but try to pre-heat the board)
16:28:27SPLESH_2015SammysHP: I know how the process works but I now do not have all need tools
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17:53:56duo8Bilgus i have freetype2 installed
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18:07:41SPLESH_2015duo8: where is package that you need to compile
18:08:14SarasaHey, quick question: what's the maximum micro SD capacity a Sansa Clip+ with Rockbox latest version can handle? Does it have trouble with HC?
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18:12:28duo8convttf
18:12:45duo8Sarasa 2TB
18:15:32SPLESH_2015duo8: I installed libfreetype6-dev and it compiled
18:16:18Sarasaduo8: great, so a 32 GB class 10 SDHC should pose no problems, right?
18:16:29SPLESH_2015i can give you binary but you will need library libfreetype.so.6
18:17:11duo8can you static link it
18:17:18duo864bit
18:17:58SPLESH_2015if you will provide cc flags or I can google them my self )
18:21:56SPLESH_2015Hm got bunch of "undefined reference to"
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18:45:58SPLESH_2015duo8: Ok i did it
18:46:06duo8wow
18:47:48SPLESH_2015https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B35SkSKx9dTydTRaY29DZHI2TWs
18:48:54SPLESH_2015only standard libs are needed like libc libm
18:53:08duo8hmm, still
18:53:22duo8notosans has a latin font and cjk font
18:53:32duo8how would i use both in rockbox?
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21:16:54HunterebHey Bilgus_, I'd like to set up an environment to build rockbox with your changes. I know there's a guide to building it yourself, but is there anything special I'd have to do to include your changes? Any issues? Haven't even looked at the guide yetas I'm still on work for another hour, will look when I get home
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21:22:42johnb3chapu: erasing the internal flash might render your clip+ completely unusable. Check out http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51616.msg239647.html#msg239647 for an alternative, that let's you save bookmarks, change setting in a persistent manner etc.
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21:23:55Bilgushunterb you just need to get it setup to master with the guide then type 'git review -d <change ID>' for example g#1613 -> 'git review -d I697b3d0499f85e789c3020bc2133fbe0023f72a2'
21:30:51Bilgusor you can do patches first downlaod the patch through gerrit and then follow directions at https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WorkingWithPatches
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22:07:58johnb3Bilgus: Would you be so kind to create a bootloader for FuzeV2, too?
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22:12:31Bilgusyeah but you'll need to test it as I don't have one to test on
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22:14:06johnb3Is http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1558 the only task that needs an additional file?
22:14:59lyra_hsHello again! Now I'm trying to understand how CODEC_HEADER works. Everyhting is clear except &ci. But it is undefined for CODECS library - it defines only is warble.c . How does it work?
22:16:17lyra_hsNow I'm writing own cmake build script for rbcodecs. I've compile okay warble.c and all libraries - now I'm trying to compile *.codec
22:16:36Bilguswhat do you mean an additional file?
22:16:40johnb3Ah, likely g#1552, too.
22:17:00johnb3looking at your different commits, you add header files
22:17:26johnb3Referring to your bootloader work.
22:17:39johnb3*I am referring
22:18:19pamaurylyra_hs: in codeclib.h
22:18:19pamauryextern struct codec_api *ci;
22:19:06pamaurythen in codec_crt0.c: struct codec_api *ci DATA_ATTR;
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22:19:59lyra_hsOh, I've missed codec_crt0.c. Thanks
22:20:00pamaurybasically it works like this: the codec embed a vtable for codec API (ci). This table is fill with 0 when the codec is built and the codec header records the address of that table. Then when rockbox loads the codec, it looks up the ci address and fills it
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22:21:35lyra_hsAs I've thought. Thanks
22:22:14pamaury(I might be wrong, you'll need to double check the details of course)
22:22:27pamauryin case, grep is your friend ;)
22:23:52Bilgusit really only needs to have the BOOT_REDIR defined since the crt.0 is already done for the sansas
22:23:55lyra_hsI just greped "struct codec_api ci" without the pointer =)
22:24:44Bilgusill update it here shortly and build a bootloader and fw for you
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22:25:43johnb3thanks, I will try it tomorrow then.
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22:25:59HunterebBilgus thanks!! Looks easy!
22:28:14blbroTorC, __builtin: I get hilights for fs-bluebot, but I cannot react on them right now.
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22:34:53Bilgusjohnb3 if you could can you send me the install procedure for the fuze v2 when you get a chance and i'll add it to the multiboot forum post
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23:06:24Bilgusok fuzev2 files are at the mediafire link http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51844.msg240021.html#msg240021
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23:31:17HunterebIs it possible to hide the Rockbox header from the main menu?
23:31:31HunterebA theme I'm using doesn't look very good with it there
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23:48:14HunterebNevermind, it's a menu title I didn't realize this with this theme lol
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