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#rockbox log for 2017-07-15

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10:44:50jrmuHi all, does rockbox contain any proprietary code/firmware in it?
10:45:44jrmuI heard about this project a few months back, was really interested in picking up an mp3 player to use it with
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11:14:15duo8no ofc not
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11:22:20jrmuduo8: you mean, 'no, of course no proprietary code'?
11:22:20jrmuok, no binary blobs, that would be great
11:22:30jrmuI should get a rockbox capable player then
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11:23:59iceCaltjrmu: you have a wide range to select from. Some might be even good in used condition.
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12:10:08BilgusNow do be aware any player running linux could possibly have proprietary code. esp if it were a port
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12:29:12pamaurytechnically speaking, most devices 'use' binary blob to do low-level init, or because the bootloader cannot easily be changed or removed completely. Almost all targets running linux have proprietary drivers indeed
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14:05:00jrmuBilgus: does that apply to rockbox?
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14:08:05Bilgusnot in and of itself our code is all GNU GPL2+ as far as i know..
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14:10:14jrmuBilgus: thanks.
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14:11:06jrmuok, I will keep a look out if I see any players supported by Rockbox
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14:13:08BilgusPamaury is definitely the more senior dev in here so he'd be able to say for sure but yw. the fuze+ is one you could still get but is kinda quirky with its touchpad and (a few?) of the chinese players or ipods, and a bunch of Sonys pamaury has ported
14:15:10Bilgusotherwise I paid ~$100USD for a NOS clip+ but I mean I could have bought used for like ~$50 Its still my favorite player ever
14:19:22jrmuBilgus: thanks for clarifying. I may have to just get whatever I can find
14:20:15jrmuI don't think they manufacture mp3 players anymore, right? But probably the only ones I can find easily are the ipods
14:20:26jrmudo you still find having a rockbox player to be much better than a smartphone?
14:21:16jrmuI mostly use my phone as an audio reader, never use it for phone calls
14:37:32BilgusI love having an mp3 player, after 2 destroyed smart phones I've gone back to a dumb phone circa 2010? I bought like 3 of em NOS and Ive killed one in the last 3 or 4 years not to mention the battery life its just more convenient imo to have a device that does one thing well
14:38:33jrmuI can completely relate. The smartphone battery dies too fast, and in general is just too complicated
14:38:33Bilgusnow I will say part of the whole mp3 player thing is because of the clip+ being small i can clip it to a shirt pocket and not have to worry about it
14:38:33jrmuusually I just want to listen to audio
14:39:46jrmuIs Rockbox just in maintenance mode now, though?
14:40:35jrmuI think the mp3 player market has died
14:42:37BilgusI think pamaury has singlehandedly added 6 or so ports and theres a few others in progress but yes there are fewer and fewer capable mp3 players so the just keep getting more expensive as the market gets smaller and you have less economy of scale to keep them cheap
14:44:39Bilgusbut you know I would have thought records were dead 5 years ago
14:44:59jrmuthere are always nostalgic fans
14:49:44jrmu:)
14:50:45jrmuSometimes old tech is just a lot simpler and better
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14:52:18duo8one day, the floodgate between rockbox and chinese players will open
14:52:23duo8one can only hope
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14:54:55duo8cheapest new rb-portable player is the benjie t6
14:55:34lebelliumthere is no rockbox on benjie t6
14:55:55lebelliumI'm not even sure Wodz is working further on it
14:58:16duo8well at least it has the hw to run it
14:58:27duo8it's already above the 3000 atj players
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15:01:13lebelliumit has hw but without proper documentation and motivated dev
15:01:15lebelliumit's useless
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15:07:01jrmuduo8: what is atj?
15:08:37duo8microcontrollers for use in pmps, by actions
15:08:46duo8i just call the common ones atj
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15:09:13duo8lebellium does it not have even a MB of ram
15:17:11jrmuduo8: these atj players can never run rockbox?
15:17:25duo8apparently so
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15:40:12Bapt_Hi there!
15:40:39Bapt_If anybody has troubles regarding an iPod 5/5.5G converted to iFlash and using rockbox, i'd be glad to offer any help
15:44:32duo8i have a 6.5g and plan to use a generic adapter though
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16:21:14asymsuconHi, anyone tried the line-in mod for Clip+/Zip? - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51716.msg239440.html
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16:57:40duo8why is the microphone not an option?
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17:09:27asymsuconduo8 - only mono
17:09:54asymsuconand it's still an option, however having line-in would be good upgrade
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19:31:26tomflintAre there any playback performance issues with FLACs and the 30gb ipod 5.5? I'll be running it off of microSDs and won't use the library function.
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19:51:52saratogaflac is one of the fastest compressed formats there is, so there won't be performance issues
19:52:05saratogaa lot of those SD adapters don't work very reliably though
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20:01:21tomflintI'm running the iflash quad with an 80gb logic board now. It's been great.
20:02:21tomflintI wasn't sure how much of an impact 32mb of RAM vs 64mb would have with playback.
20:03:35saratogait doesn't affect playback
20:04:10saratogaon a hard drive device it'll have slightly better battery life due to less frequent disk spin ups
20:04:33saratogabut that wasn't a huge difference, and for a time we didn't even use the extra memory on 64 MB devices
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20:12:53tomflintoh nice! that's great news. A guy is selling me a 5.5 30gb logic board with the screen and click wheel for $20, so I think I'm going to make another modded ipod for a friend
20:13:54tomflintthanks, saratoga!
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20:37:18saratogano problem
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