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#rockbox log for 2017-08-22

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04:30:41CH23Hi there, i've got an issue with my sansa clip plus where the internal memory is locked from editing, deleting, or adding files or directories
04:31:15CH23i'm running Version: e00d78dM-170812
04:31:36CH23on my computer i run linux
04:31:45CH23and it all worked before
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04:54:45Bilgus_did you happen to put on the multi-boot loader first??
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08:10:50CH23Bilgus_: i did not replace the boot loader since i put on 3.14
08:11:36CH23and between that moment and current situation i almost never had this issue
08:12:02Bilgus_but did you install the multi-boot bootloader?
08:13:39Bilgus_if the internal memory has gone read-only then thats going to be your only option
08:17:47CH23what is the difference between the regular rockbox bootloader, and the multiboot bootloader?
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08:20:33Bilgus_unfortunately if your memory is already readonly I doubt it'll do you any good :/
08:21:40CH23_oh dear
08:24:22Bilgus_Someone suggested saving your settings to a file and loading that from the sd card as a workaround, not the best in the world but better than nothing I guess
08:24:36CH23_i was hoping this was some software issue, but it basically means the flash chip is at end of its life?
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08:31:18Bilgus_basically yes
08:31:47Bilgus_it'll be fine to read from but I doubt you'll get it to write
08:32:26CH23_is this a common chip that you know? i might try to replace it if possible
08:35:30Bilgus_no it is custom, and they guy that said he'd have a go at it never did report success
08:38:02CH23_the same chips were used for certain USB sticks, so that's a start
08:39:03Bilgus_hmm not something i've heard but do let US know
08:41:06Bilgus_cool if you get to the point of needing a dd of the clip+ I have a 4g and an 8g
08:42:03CH23_awesome. i can't promise i can get around to this anytime soon, but i will most likely try
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08:42:55Bilgus_hey if you are successful many clip+ owners will rejoice this is a common problem as they age RB'd or not
08:43:31Bilgus_then the next thing would be where to find an adata 8g drive lol
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08:47:34CH23_and hope they didn't change the internals
09:00:12CH23_sandisk cruzer uses the same flashchip as well
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09:07:38CH23_Bilgus_: about the contents of the flash memory; is there more than just the accessible data, and if so, how did you make a copy of it using dd?
09:08:57Bilgus_not really sure if it is accessible actually..
09:10:11CH23_i'm wondering if the soc on the clip+ boots the usb functionality, or that it uses something on the flash chip
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09:27:47CH23_sandisk cruzer blade contains same flashchip too
09:28:08CH23_so i'd say, if there are no revisions, this chip would be easy to find
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09:57:10CH23Bilgus_: could you send me one of those backups? i want to see how restricted we are to 4 or 8GB, as it may seem that there's a 16GB compatible flash chip
09:57:44CH23the 16gb version seems cheaper
09:58:22Bilgus_I'll upload some in the next day
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10:35:12Fa1thAnyone owning a sansa clip sport?
10:40:59Fa1thI didn't want to ask for the firmware
10:41:06Fa1thJust wanted to ask if the keyboard feels wiggly
10:41:18Fa1thOr it's only in my unit
10:41:51Bilgus_the sport is utter crap in my experience
10:42:18duo8considering it's meant to be a cheap throwaway player, that's probably normal
10:42:49Bilgus_CH23 it looks like i'll have to put the clip+ into recovery mode to access the hidden partition I'm not willing to do that on my 8g but I can do it on my 4g
10:43:16CH23if you tell me how, i could do it on mine
10:43:35CH23granted there's no permanent damage to the operation of the device
10:43:57Bilgus_sansa unbrick page
10:44:07Bilgus_there is always that risk..
10:44:57CH23oh this is easy
10:45:18CH23i did that once thinking i bricked it
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10:56:58CH23also FYI, you can do this without removing the entire front of the clip+, just unscrew the lower 2 screws, bend the PCB(yikes, i know), and sliding out the keypad
10:58:35Bilgus_ah screw that it was just as easy to remove the 4 screws
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11:06:06CH23actually the screen is glued to the front
11:06:41CH23i'd like to keep the dust out of there
11:07:00Guest47253Bilgus_: is the multiboot thing on the sansas like what the Cowon D2 does? or are they different situations?
11:07:55Bilgus_what does the cowen D2 Do?
11:08:14Guest47253I am not very tech savvy, but it reminds me of it
11:08:53Guest47253the internal memory is read only and you have to put the .rockbox folder on a sd card to use it
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11:13:30Bilgus_well yes but It still allows you to use internal memory If possible, you need a special firmware to boot from the SDCard otherwise it acts like normal been recommending people to put the boot loader on now so when eventually the internal flash dies it can then boot from SD or you could do it from sd card always and save your internal flash
11:14:10CH23i am so stupid sometimes. i mistook a 1gb SD card for the flash memory
11:15:02Bilgus_so is your device not read-only then?
11:15:33CH23no, i made a copy of the SD card, not the flash memory
11:16:19CH23Disk /dev/sdc: 3965 MB, 3965190144 bytes
11:16:33CH23that's all i see
11:16:58Bilgus_ah well I have an image made of the internal partition it has the multi-bootloader on it already so not strictly a OF image but a recovery image none the less
11:17:14Guest47253so the multi-boot loader can help if the internla flash is read only, but when it dies you can't boot anymore?
11:17:25CH23if i get another flash chip then i suppose that's all that matters
11:17:30Bilgus_no you can still boot
11:17:56CH23Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table
11:18:01Bilgus_but see the issue is it needs to be installed before the flash goes read only
11:18:02Guest47253so this would aply for the Cowon D2 as well?
11:18:10CH23should i worry
11:18:12Guest47253I see
11:18:15Bilgus_CH23 then you have it right
11:18:45CH23oh i understood that it would be only 1GB in size
11:18:49Bilgus_when I got it into recovery mode I had the same invalid partition table message
11:18:53Bilgus_dd worked fine
11:19:13CH23 Execute "sudo fdisk -l". It should report a drive without partitions, with a size of 979.75MB (approximately, there is some 1000/1024 Bytes rounding). If it reports 4MB, your flash is broken.
11:19:24CH23^this is what's shown on the recovery page
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11:19:47Bilgus_no mine just showed 3.4 G and I checked the disk once back in 'normal' mode to make sure it didn't contain the same info I dumped with dd
11:20:14Guest47253good luck guys! bye
11:20:21CH23bye, Guest47253
11:20:24Bilgus_the recovery page is awful generic though
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11:21:22Bilgus_recovery Image
11:21:27CH23i sort of want to attempt to nuke the entire flash and see if i can still get into recovery mode
11:22:09Bilgus_I think you might screw yourself doing that but you might try and put that image on and zero the rest
11:23:23CH23well the idea is that i have to transfer another flash chip onto the device, and that's not partitioned specifically for the clip+, so if it doesn't work, replacing the flash is of no use
11:23:58Bilgus_thats why you would partition it prior i'd think
11:24:10CH23on the USB drive itself?
11:24:40CH23a friend just found the datasheet of the flash memory
11:26:49CH23before i flash anything, is your backup from an old or new version clip+ ? i have the old version
11:31:49Bilgus_it says AMSV2 Variant 1 but I think they all say that
11:34:57CH23i wonder if it actually matters
11:35:13CH23apparently the radio chip is the only difference, that i know of?
11:35:28Bilgus_well let me look in the OF
11:42:51Bilgus_it says V01.02.16A in the info screen admitedly I'm not at all familar with the OF is there some other HW info screen I'm missing?
11:52:55CH23i believe in rockbox you can actually see which radio chip you have in settings > dev > fm radio
11:53:17CH23can't check myself because i have the slowest dd session of my life right now
11:53:51CH23yeah that's the old one iirc
11:56:17Bilgus_according to the wiki the things been kicking since 2010 or so
11:56:48Bilgus_should be a comma, this one has been kicking since 2010 or so
11:58:18Bilgus_the sdcard imploded about 6 months ago and fried the sd controller so now I have a 8g though it has the SI4700 as well
12:13:39CH23that's a scary thought
12:19:35CH23hey isn't the flash chip basically replacable with any other TSOP48 nand chip?
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12:21:23Bilgus_I'm told no and guessing by the lack of progress by the other guy that tried it no.. you can check the forum logs
12:22:44Bilgus_sorry IRC logs
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12:25:46Bilgus_it was Dongs IIRC
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12:26:48CH23this whole thing is dongs indeed
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12:36:24CH23dongs: did you ever getthe pinout of the original sandisk flashchip?
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12:48:59dongsCH23: no, its still on my shelf, havent fucked with it since last time i talked about ti
12:49:15dongswith teh jtag and everythign still attached.
12:49:31CH23here's the datasheet on the chip
12:49:52dongsi gotta get a chinaman to get that shit as pdf
12:49:58dongswenku.baido is fucking annoying as shit to use
12:50:32dongsso what does it say ? (since its still loading here)
12:50:32CH23i could probably download the pages (as jpg) for you
12:50:44dongsits not even loading, so i cant read it at all :)
12:50:58dongsthere it is.
12:51:00dongs second try worked
12:51:04CH23it has the full specs, including signals, voltages, and pinouts
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12:53:44dongsis it 43 pages?
12:54:04dongssearching for that title brings up a bunch of more china scam sites but at least some don't require payment to v iew heh
12:54:39dongs .. replace 43 with 42 41 40 etc
12:55:24CH23i'll download it and upload it for you
12:55:34dongssure if you can. meanwhile im just getting those pngs
12:57:11CH23then there's no use for me doing it as well :P
12:57:35CH23despite 'CH' in my name, i'm not chinese, so i can't get around that site either
12:58:20dongsthe only chinese i know is the 2 characters for "download"
12:58:27dongswhich is all I really need to know anyway
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13:02:04CH23dongs: not related but wondering if you were ever on rizon, specifically in the iOS cracking/jailbreaking community?
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13:02:40dongsno, i don't do illegal things. i was on rizon to troll anniemay fgts, but thats about it
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13:03:09CH23pretty sure we've met there before
13:03:39dongshm that pinout matches
13:03:49dongsby matches i mean... has almost no useful pins
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13:05:00dongsx8 nand mode
13:05:08dongsso... why doesnt normal stuff just work when replaced?
13:05:55CH23that's the $50 question
13:06:10dongsits certainly not something with "sd controller on chip" since its clearly pinout as standard x8 nand
13:10:19CH23did you previously clone the nand to a new nand?
13:11:02dongsnope. that was on todo list i think, tho all my samples are the ones that were no longer bootable
13:11:17dongsi guess if we pick something with same block size/plane organization
13:11:18dongsit should work
13:11:28dongsi forgot what crap i got as replacement, lets see if its even remotely compatible
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13:13:28CH23i could upload the rip i did of mine just now (though i did that via USB, recovery mode)
13:13:52dongsis that from a 8gb version?
13:14:12dongsmeh ok. i have some 4gb chips from same micron family too
13:14:32CH23is good for you?
13:14:36dongsthats fine
13:15:43dongsblock size on that micron is 2048k
13:15:50dongs4096 on sandisk
13:16:08dongs~no idae if that matters~
13:16:47CH23i hope it will be uploaded in about 1 hour, i don't know what time it is for you now?
13:16:58dongs8pm, i'll be around for a while
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13:17:11dongscompressed right? it shouldnt be THAT huge
13:17:23dongstho I guess if there was mp3s and crap on the image before its probably not very well compressable
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13:17:33CH23i am so dumb
13:17:38CH23let me compress it first
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13:17:49dongstry :) but don't hold your breath, i don';t think format actulally clears flash
13:20:40CH23i had barely anything on there
13:21:13CH23can't format it though, i don't think i could ever put anything on it again
13:22:39CH23might be good to know, my clip recently became 'read only', so i don't know how that works, if it's hardware, or firmware flag.
13:23:04dongsis it 'readonly' in original firmware?
13:23:13dongsfor me when my shit croaks, it just stops booting any firmware, period
13:23:27CH23it's rockboxed
13:23:37dongsright, but you have the hold-home-to-boot-of thing right
13:24:14CH23well, it would sort of work in one of the modes
13:24:28CH23but i believe it never wrote the data
13:24:30dongsyeah. it'll sort-of-boot a couple times then finally die permanently.
13:24:46CH23yep, which is why i summoned you :P
13:25:15CH23i was thinking of replacing the flash, but you have made effort already
13:25:49CH23if you read todays logs, you can see that i did find a number of flashdrives that utilise the exact same NAND
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13:26:36dongshow did you confirm sansa chip = the stuff in that pdf
13:27:30CH23the part number mentioned on the front page is the same as is on my nand chip
13:27:44CH23no other way
13:27:49dongsok nice. heh the one I had on my shefl wiht jtag attached, already has a micron part soldered on it
13:28:07dongsbut uh..
13:28:14dongsi think its jsut random one, not the 4/8gb ones i got later
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13:29:01CH23i don't know how nand communicates exactly so i don't know if they're interchangeable or not
13:29:44CH23i read somewhere that the number of dies inside the chip matter but more than that and even that i don't know
13:30:08CH23i'll be AFK for a bit, lunch must happen.
13:30:39dongsooh. found the chip i pulled
13:30:44dongsit is indeed SDTNMAHEM-004G
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13:30:55dongshm no one letter different
13:31:03dongsvs SDTNPNAHEM
13:32:18CH23mine's HAHEM
13:33:31CH23i misread
13:33:42dongsso different pn from the pdf?
13:33:50CH23hold on
13:33:52dongsd o n g s
13:33:59dongspic that shit incase you're misreading it again
13:34:48CH23actually i didn't misread, mine is NAHEM, i just looked at the pic of my NAND, sorry for the confusion
13:35:38CH23so the document matches my NAND. all is well.
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13:55:51CH23|AFKdongs: are you on telegram by chance? it's easier for me to communicate that way
13:58:14dongsindeed i am
13:58:26dongssent you /notice with info
13:58:33dongsor that.
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16:51:19Will_Hi~ I have a sansa e200R v1
16:52:05Will_mistake.. C200R v1, can i use the manual for e200R to install bootloader...
16:52:23Will_there's no guide for c200R
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17:06:16__builtinWill_: I don't think there is a c200R
17:06:23__builtinit's probably just a normal c200
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17:23:57Will_yes there is...
17:24:13Will_there's no USB mode menu
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17:52:47Will_oh sorry, after i flash to 01.01.07p the usb menu comes
17:53:11Will_this c200 has REFURB mark at the buttom
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18:16:33usviwhat is the difference between Sansa Clip Zip v1 and non-v1? Will Rockbox run also on v1 ?
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19:54:09funmani don't think there's different versions of Clip Zip
19:55:40__builtinsure it's not a normal clip?
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20:02:25usviIll link you what I found when I get back to my computer
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20:21:30usvimost of those are listed as "(v1)"
20:21:37usvibut the purple has both variants
20:22:07usviplain purple:
20:22:18usviv1 purple:
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21:18:46BilgusI wonder if thats an Error they show the clipzip in stock @ $30?
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22:49:42BilgusI went ahead and ordered a blue one might as well have one for backup
23:06:09__builtinthat's odd
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23:18:14Bilguswhats that?
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23:31:56__builtinthat it says the zip is in stock
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23:35:04ulmutulI think I favour g#1632 over g#1356. It's just as good and it doesn't clutter the menu.
23:35:07fs-bluebotGerrit review #1632 at : Sokoban: enable restarting level via "Select Level" by Sebastian Leonhardt
23:35:07fs-bluebotGerrit review #1356 at : Sokoban: add "restart current level" option to menu by Sebastian Leonhardt
23:36:58__builtinulmutul: you are a committer, right?
23:37:11ulmutulYes :)
23:37:30BilgusI was able to place the order and got a confirmation e-mail we will see if it actually goes through though
23:38:01__builtinwell, I don't think you've added yourself to docs/COMMITTERS, have you?
23:39:54ulmutulHm, you're right, I don't think so. One more thing to push :)
23:39:56Bilgusoh and I used WELCOME10% to get another $3.00 off :)
23:40:25ulmutulI think I'll push g#1291 and g#1292 if there are no objections.
23:40:28fs-bluebotGerrit review #1291 at : pacbox: clean-up screen size code by Sebastian Leonhardt
23:40:28fs-bluebotGerrit review #1292 at : pacbox for small screens, up to 75x96 by Sebastian Leonhardt
23:43:04ulmutul__builtin, what do you think about pushing g#1346? It's basically the same as sgt-flood, but I'd like to have some more lua plugins in the repo.
23:43:06fs-bluebotGerrit review #1346 at : FS #11922: Lua game - Pixel Painter by Sebastian Leonhardt
23:44:07__builtinit seems alright to me
23:44:55__builtinas we already have duplicated functionality (e.g. minesweeper/sgt-mines)
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23:46:44ulmutulBTW I have a fix to amaze ( g#948) somewhere on my computer. We shouldn't release 3.15 without adding 10 more games :D
23:46:45fs-bluebotGerrit review #948 at : FS #8647: Amaze - 3D maze game plugin by Franklin Wei
23:48:00__builtinoh, feel free to push to that task, I haven't even thought about it in ages
23:48:30BilgusWeird you can't reach the page through their nav bar <MP3><Music/Video> but you can search for the clip zip and it says in stock or go to the link usvi posted to see the list As even the clip zip is selling @ 60-120 atm if it is actually in stock I think everyone should buy one :D
23:49:50Bilgusunfortunately only wonky colors though no Black
23:58:23ulmutulHm, git is doing weird things :/
23:58:40__builtinwhat's the issue?

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