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#rockbox log for 2017-09-17

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00:17:17gevaertspamaury: did you see that the ypr[01] builds broke when you added the sonys?
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00:19:27pamaurygevaerts: ah no, since last time I tried to view the errors message of ypr0 I was getting a blank page
00:19:36pamaurythe build server really has some problems
00:21:18*pamaury fixes the problems with ypr0
00:22:00lebelliumthank you
00:22:03lebelliummy poor R0 :(
00:23:19lebelliumgoing to bed, I'm available tomorrow if you need me to check things with YP-R0/R1
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00:24:15lebelliumI think it was question of the new toolchain some time ago
00:24:18pamaurylebellium: it would be nice to (re)test ypr0/r1 with the new arm toolchain and possibly switch
00:24:42pamauryah damn, 102 errors
00:25:08lebelliumI'll probably need your instructions to check/build the toolchain
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00:38:23pamaurynow ypr0 is fixed and the other builds should be fine after this build
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01:27:44__builtinmmh, I know why music isn't working
01:27:52__builtinI didn't port timidity along with SDL_mixer
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03:07:48saratogaBilgus_: current dev build works fine on my e200v2
03:07:56saratogano issues with volume scroll on the WPS
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03:11:43saratogaBilgus: see above
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05:20:23[Saint]Ugh. Viewers icons are a nightmare.
05:20:44[Saint]There's something really screwy going on there but I'm not sure what
05:21:58[Saint]Even if you jiggle the ordering of the icons in the bitmapstrip around, I'd you try and make a custom viewers list shit just goes haywire.
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11:00:47johnb3saratoga (logs): As I have seen you pushing lang file updates, would you please be so kind to push g#1609?
11:00:49fs-bluebotGerrit review #1609 at : Rename "Selective Backlight" to "Backlight Exemptions" and add German translation by Johannes Rauh
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14:56:26pamauryI suspect the build server is stuck
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14:56:37pamauryah finally
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17:50:35pamaurywhat do people here think about the file system situation on application ports (ibasso, ypr0/1, nwz) ? I am not super happy with the fact that it starts in / and that the user has to navigate to some obscure (/contents, /sdcard, /whatever) to find its file. Wouldn't it nicer to have the file system have some kinds of "fake root" showing (for example) "Internal storage", "SD card" and "Rootfs" so that it's more user friendly?
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17:58:22johnb3I agree that for someone not familiar with Linux the many directories will be disturbing. Today for the first time I found /allcontents on the NWZ-A20 which has two sub-directories int and ext. Something like this could be a starting point.
17:58:28pamauryand most users don't even need to access anything in the root filesystem, this could be hidden by default with a setting
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17:58:57pamauryjohnb3: do you have a /contents/ directory on the A20?
17:59:07johnb3yes, in addition.
17:59:13pamauryand where is the sdcard mounted?
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18:01:37johnb3sdcard is both on /allcontents/ext and /mnt/media. The latter is where I used to navigate to. I have added an Internal and SDcard entry into the shortcuts.txt.
18:02:16pamaurywhat is shortcuts.txt ?
18:02:45*pamaury discovers a rockbox feature, again
18:03:33pamaurywhere do shortcuts appear?
18:04:28johnb3You can have a screen showing the shortcuts instead of the quickscreen.
18:05:14johnb3which has a key binding on all targets I know.
18:05:36lebelliumWell with the "start browsing here" feature, it's not a problem to have obscure directories but I suspect that not many people are aware of this feature
18:05:40pamauryI see, cool. But still it would be better if the file browser was more aware of this on RaaA
18:06:21pamauryespecially because of the unaware user it's probably weird if, for example, the browser starts in /contents/ and then he goes up and ends up in / unexpectedly
18:07:12johnb3Also, as the Sony OF creates various directories on the root of the SD, I like the idea of a virtual root and hiding those directories.
18:07:54pamaurywhat kind of directories does it create? hiding those won't really be easy though unless you start in /mnt/sdcard/MUSIC for example
18:07:57johnb3like MP_ROOT, DCIM, RECEIVED
18:08:23lebelliumI don't think we should hide the Sony folders
18:08:31johnb3Yes, that's where my shortcut points to.
18:08:53pamauryI don't think we should hide the folders, the user can always create a shortcut to a subfolder
18:09:03pamaurybut I am for hiding / by default
18:09:10lebelliumIf I transfered files over bluetooth in OF, I don't want the "RECEIVED" folder to be hide
18:09:35pamauryor rather make / non-default and not the root
18:10:37johnb3lebellium: I see. Seems like I am mentally fixed to USB. :-)
18:13:40johnb3"Start Browser at" /mnt/sdcard/MUSIC atm just has the problem, that if I back out (to the left) I get to the full file system again. I am fine with all of that, but you are looking for ease of use for a newbie, righht?
18:14:39lebelliumwell, even if you get to the full file system again, if you go back to the home menu and then back to file browser, you're in MUSIC again
18:14:59pamauryyes, the way I see it there would be a virtual root folder with (for example) Internal, SDCard, Rootfs. If you go to Internal it goes to /contents, but if you go back it goes back to virtual root, not to /
18:15:00lebelliumthe only problem is that newbies are not aware of "start brower here"
18:16:33lebelliumInternal, SDcard and Rootfs sounds nice to me. You're still able to go to Rootfs if wanted
18:17:29*pamaury admits he has no idea how to implement this
18:17:56lebelliumI think lorenzo looked at it for yp-r0 back to the time
18:18:02lebelliumbut without real success
18:18:50johnb3offtopic - how do you do this thinking * .... in the IRC client?
18:19:52pamauryjohnb3: start your sentence with /me
18:20:19*johnb3 johnb is trying it
18:20:37__builtinit really messes with your grammar
18:20:47lebelliumit should have been
18:20:52*lebellium is trying it
18:25:27*johnb3 is thinking of his son who often talks about himself in the third person (and who is reading this on the screen).
18:27:31*__builtin points to #rockbox-community now
18:32:42lebelliumpamaury: are you planning to upload pre-built bootloaders to the wiki?
18:37:07pamaurylebellium: yes, I'm writing instructions
18:41:16pamaurylebellium: you can start reading
18:44:56lebelliumfor windows I think we should reuse the .bat file
18:45:50pamauryah yes you are right
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18:53:54lebelliumlooks like there is an Agptek Rocker v2 but I can't find what's new in the V2...
19:09:11Bilguspamaury, virtual root folder is already a WIP with jHMikeS' patch
19:10:55Bilgusbasically IIUC you could mount the folder as root and then enum the folders below that into the namespace
19:12:30pamauryBilgus: I'm not sure it's exactly that, this patch allows to mount any directly as root but it's not a virtual root folder no?
19:13:03pamauryor you would need to create a directory somewhere with three or more symbolic links yeah
19:18:02__builtinUgh. The same function I thought I "fixed" yesterday is crashing again :(
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19:20:51Bilgusgiven a handful of folders /mnt/sdcard/bleh, /mnt/contents, /mnt/whatever the way I read it was you would mount for instance /mnt/sdcard/ as root then place /mnt/contents & /mnt/whatever into the root name space and to the user it'd all show as /bleh, /contents, and /whatever or put /mnt/ in there hide /sdcard/ and you'd have /bleh, /mnt/.. and
19:20:58__builtinis there some compiler flag to disable generating that instruction completely?
19:21:13pamaury__builtin: not that I know
19:22:16Bilgus.. and all the other directoried below
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19:24:54BilgusSaratoga, Thanks for checking your device you were saying I should have them try a version before voltage changes where abouts did that occur?
19:26:15pamauryBilgus: probbaly create a special directory /rockbox for that but yes the principle is the same
19:27:01__builtinis there a way to run a debugger on the device?
19:28:56pamauryif it's linux based yes in theory (though in practice it's probably tricky)
19:29:42pamaury__builtin: maybe you could run it in qemu user emulation? Compile it for arm linux and then run in qemu with gdb support
19:31:01__builtingood idea
19:31:42pamauryI suspect you can use the new arm linux toolchain from to produce the binary
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19:32:33pamauryotherwise maybe you distribution provides an arm toolchain. Just make sure both the toolchain and qemu run a armv4 cpu so that unaligned accesses don't work (although I don't know how qemu handle them
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19:43:49__builtinthe issue isn't in the function from yesterday, but instead in its caller
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19:46:31__builtinpamaury: by the way, the toolchain build failed
19:46:52pamaurywhat error message?
19:47:03pamauryso far everyone managed to use it
19:47:13__builtinfails in building ppl
19:47:29pamaurycan you send me the log?
19:47:40pamauryI thought I had disabled ppl ctually
19:47:59pamaury__builtin: this is the old toolchain
19:48:05pamauryyou need to get the latest
19:48:10pamaurythere is a new toolchain
19:48:18__builtinah, I'm on an old branch
19:48:21__builtinmy bad
19:48:43pamauryno ones manages to build the ypr0 toolchain :-p
19:53:21pamaurylebellium: I need your advise
19:54:32pamauryThe bootloader file needs to be named NW_WM_FW.UPG otherwise update won't work. Thus I could upload bootloader with that name for all targets BUT then I'm afraid people will put the wrong file on the wrong target and it won't work either. But if I named them for example NW_WM_FW_NWZA10.UPG then people will forget to rename
19:54:35pamaurywhich one is better?
19:58:14__builtin\o/ fixed
19:58:34__builtinapparently it was the result of more unaligned accesses
19:59:07__builtinI guess when I added some code somewhere it changed the address so it wasn't aligned anymore and it crashed
19:59:54pamaurysounds like a problem can appear at any time
20:00:31lebelliumpamaury: IIRC there is no check for the model on the device. So technically you could brick the device right? So maybe it's better to rename it with the risk to get people coming here saying "it doesn't work" because they didn't read the instructions carefully. But better this than bricking the device
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20:01:00pamauryno, each device has a different encryption key, it will reject the upgrade
20:01:22lebelliumah ok
20:01:44pamaurybut I'm more afraid of people download bootloaders and reuploadin them which will make them impossible to know which is which
20:02:09lebelliumI would name the file with the model and the date
20:02:25lebelliumor version
20:02:34lebelliumlike for scscitool
20:02:54pamauryyes that's my idea
20:04:06lebelliumfor scsitool instructions say replace "vX" by the version
20:04:15lebelliumand we didn't get many people doing it wrong
20:04:23lebelliummost of them read the instructions
20:09:28__builtinpamaury: I found from many years ago
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20:12:38pamaurygevaerts: what is the procedure again to upload some files on ?
20:12:45pamaury__builtin: how is that different from -mno-unaligned-access ?
20:19:33__builtinI don't think 4.4.4 supports that
20:20:03lebelliumpamaury: do you really need to unplug and plug again the device between putting the UPG file into the device and using scsitools ?
20:20:25pamaurylebellium: not really, but on windows if you eject I think the driver letter disappears
20:21:00lebelliumok, my question was then: do you really need to eject it?
20:22:44pamaurylebellium: yes otherwise the file might not be writte to disk properly
20:25:06pamauryI prefer to make sure it works, after it's not a big deal to disconnect and reconnect once
20:25:34gevaertspamaury: put them somewhere and tell zagor
20:26:28__builtinwait, isn't in the www.git repo?
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20:27:01gevaertsOh, wait isn't, though
20:27:22pamaury__builtin: I think it is but I'm not sure upload is automatic
20:27:27gevaertsYes is in www.git, but there's nothing there really
20:28:06gevaertsSo for that, yes, put it in git and talk to zagor
20:28:18pamauryyeah, so it's not in www, I need to put it in
20:28:42__builtinwell, mainly consists of links to*
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20:39:33*pamaury starts building bootloaders
20:40:04pamauryhmm, before I do that though, there is something missing: uninstall
20:40:40pamaurywe need a way to uninstall the bootloader, and I would prefer to avoid having two updates for that
20:41:10pamaurymaybe we could have a mecanism like: if the update finds a file "rockbox_uninstall" at the root of the device, it uninstalls instead of uninstalling?
20:41:20pamauryor is it too complicated ?
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20:50:50saratogaBilgus_: you can see all the commits we did here;a=history;f=firmware/target/arm/as3525/system-as3525.c
20:51:13pamaurylebellium: I updated the instructions in, what do you think?
20:52:26saratogathis might also be relevent:;a=commit;h=36480c259fd087c6c24f0046addf8d5c0380889a
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20:53:44saratogaanyway, sorry i'm not more helpful, just super busy right now with work
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20:55:32Bilgus_nbd once I hear back from that person I'll start going back, Just knowing where to look is super helpful
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20:58:53saratogadid you say that the crash is in some drawing code?
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21:08:40Bilgus_yeah it shows up on volume change while in WPS, the address points to the bitmap_draw_transparent_part code which I disabled and it didn't crash anymore
21:09:20Bilgus_I then checked to see if maybe it was overwriting the end of the buffer but it wasn't
21:09:51__builtinBilgus_: what's the code in question?
21:10:05Bilgus_I need to verify that they did indeed try using the failsafe theme though
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21:13:41Bilgus_there is some logs
21:14:00__builtindoes the C version work?
21:14:09saratogathat really sounds to me like it might be related to the theme, are you certain he was using cabbie?
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21:15:07Bilgus_well that is a good question, assuming (s)he did as I said and installed the build I gave then yes was running cabbie
21:15:23saratogashould confirm that he deleted his old .rockbox folder
21:15:38Bilgus_now if they actually tried the failsafe theme I haven't heard back yet for true verification
21:15:44saratogacertainly possible that if he has an old theme from 3.13 or earlier that it might crash the current theme engine
21:16:01saratogaif he has an old theme, might also be interesting to know which
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21:16:29Bilgus_good point but from context of the forum post they installed it fresh from the rb utility
21:17:02Bilgus_but there was mention of the brother having a e200 v1 so maybe they have a franken theme going
21:17:37saratogathe picture he shows in the first post isn't the default theme
21:17:44saratogaso he has at least installed something else
21:18:18saratogathe scroll wheel will cause the theme engine to update, so it is possible that there is a crash in there
21:18:25Bilgus_Builtin that was my next test but haven't heard back from them car trouble or something
21:18:48saratogaactually, maybe someone knows which theme this is?
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21:20:31Bilgus_now the next thing is if it is a theme that is causing it I'd like to put in code to check for the condition and fail graceully
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21:23:18Bilgus_builtin: also referring to differences between the C code and ASM code there is an extra command in the generated asm vs the handwritten mov r3,r3,asl#1 which means arithmetic shift left 1
21:23:59Bilgus_and I noted something in the ARM manula about it but figured since it worked everywhere else it probably didn't apply
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22:56:24lebelliumpamaury: regarding the instructions, shouldn't the device be in MSC mode too when putting the UPG file?
22:56:45pamauryI don't know if it matters actually, but yeah maybe
22:56:51pamauryfeel free to edit the instructions
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22:59:30*pamaury doesn't know why the S750 builds don't appear on
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23:10:51lebelliumOk, i'll edit them tomorrow night
23:11:21*pamaury is building and testing each bootloader and uninstall
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23:26:27lebelliumpamaury: that's conscientious work :)
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23:33:42*pamaury cannot add him to Rockbox Release Group on gerrit so he adds himself using gerrit cli interface, and it's not easy!
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23:44:44pamauryZagor now has a bunch of emails with bootloader to upload
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23:48:06robertd1Hi, im experiencing white screen crashes when trying to play flac files on a sony walkman. The error is "bus error at 40b19078 address 0x00000000"
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23:52:20pamauryI remember hearing some complains about flac recently on another target
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