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#rockbox log for 2017-10-01

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00:40:38micahhey, i got a nwz-a17, and am looking at −− there seems to be a missing word there, "unzip it at the of your device"
00:40:51micahi guess that is supposed to be 'at the root of your device"?
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00:42:58__builtinyou can edit it (it's a wiki)
00:48:52micahsure, but I am not certain that is the missing word
00:49:07micahas it says in red at the top, "do not follow those instructions if you don't understand them, they could brick your device"
00:49:30micaha key missing word could mean the difference between a bricked device and not :o
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02:49:06MarcusBCan someone add me to the WikiUsersGroup? I just registered and was directed here.
02:49:49MarcusBWikiName is "MarcusBehel"
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09:34:16johnb4micah: I fixed that wiki line.
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16:14:57pamaurylebellium: johnb4: g#1681 adds support for pcm frequency selection
16:15:07fs-bluebotGerrit review #1681 at : sonynwza10/a20: enable pcm frequency selection (UNTESTED) by Amaury Pouly
16:15:19pamauryI can't test it because I don't have the A15 with me but feel free to try it, otherwise I'll test on tuesday
16:15:26johnb4I will give it a try.
16:16:28pamauryit will switch to 44.1k by default so you should not have the strange issue you had before (unless my code is wrong and it panics ;))
16:16:37pamauryyou can also switch to 48k
16:17:18micahpamaury: i got that weird auction site to take back the wrong sony they sent me, and they replaced it with a proper nwz-a17
16:17:21micahjust got it
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16:19:59pamaurymicah: same price?
16:20:56johnb4pamaury> g#1680 : is that about bass/treble?
16:20:58fs-bluebotGerrit review #1680 at : sonynwzlinux: enable software tone controls by Amaury Pouly
16:21:57pamauryjohnb4: yes
16:21:58micahpamaury: yeah!
16:22:05micahso in the end, i got a great deal
16:28:02micahjust putting rockbox on it now. i do not understand the sony interface :P
16:28:54robertd1Hi, i keep getting the bus error at 40b19078 address 0x00000000 when playing flac files in nwz a860
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16:39:19johnb4pamaury: I tried g1681 with the A15, but it has still the same behaviour (I do see the new menu entry and it shows 44.1 when I hear that FF sound).
16:42:16pamauryrobertd1: we didn't find the problem yet
16:42:41pamauryjohnb4: can you plug usb and pastebin rockbox.log please
16:44:31robertd1pamaury thanks, i have tried with different flac files and compressions. No problem at all with wav files
16:47:13pamauryjohnb4: something is wrong, it should print something on frequency change, did you compile it yourself?
16:48:32johnb4I copied only the binary
16:48:59johnb4but that should be ok, right?
16:50:36*pamaury looks into it
16:51:22pamauryah, I think I know what the problem is
16:52:52johnb4micah: what website did you get this from?
16:54:40pamauryjohnb4: I updated g#1680, try it again
16:54:42fs-bluebotGerrit review #1680 at : sonynwzlinux: enable software tone controls by Amaury Pouly
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16:57:29pamauryrobertd1: I can reproduce the bus error, but it's hard to debug since there is no useful information about the crash :-/
16:59:58robertd1pamaury is there any way I can help ?
17:00:38pamaurynot really, you gave me the file, now I need to find the problem
17:07:29johnb4pamaury: well done. This worked on two trials.
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17:10:28pamaurycool :)
17:10:35pamauryjohnb4: did you try 48k?
17:11:08johnb4I changed it to 48k while playing an mp3. No change noticed.
17:13:20johnb4micah: do you live in the US or Canada?
17:17:37pamaurygrrr, this flac crash is completely random, it's going to be super hard to debug
17:28:23pamaurynow flac doesn't crash anymore but I simply recompiled everything...
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17:30:43johnb4That is the same crash I had reported for the E450, right?
17:34:21pamauryabout flac?
17:38:32pamauryyes it's the same issue
17:39:15johnb4pamaury: Bass and Treble certainly does have an effect on the A10. In addition to what I would expect, if feels on values > 0 also the volume is increased.
17:39:26johnb4* it feels
17:41:06pamauryjohnb4: it's all done in software so I expect it should work :-p
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17:42:18johnb4:-) I got that wrong.
17:42:24pamauryrobertd1: do you have a 100% reproducible way to trigger the crash?
17:42:33pamauryfor me it's random, some builds fail, some don't
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17:42:47robertd1pamaury with any flac file it crashes
17:43:25pamauryarg, but for me none crashes now :-/ it sounds like an alignment issue
17:48:00robertd1pamaury after recompiling the error disappears?
17:48:29pamauryyes, but I probably the next build will crash, I haven't touched anything
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18:06:41CharlHello, I have bricked my Sansa Clip Zip: OF boots to a green screen and modifications to internal storage is reset after poweroff/on (Rockbox still starts and can play files, just not write anything). This happened after I force-removed an SD card while running the OF. Connecting to USB from the OF fails; neither Windows nor Ubuntu can recognise the player.
18:07:09CharlAlso tried to use Rockbox Utility to flash original firmware. Tried to power on/off the OF several times with and without SD card. Sandisk logo displays for ~3 sec and then green screen. Hoping somebody can help.
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18:08:55pamauryCharl: I don't know much about the Zip but if writes to the internal storage are not persistent, it sounds like a dead internal storage, a very common problem on sansa players
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18:11:12Charlpamaury: Oh my, that does not sound good. If that is the case, is there anything I can do to revive the internal sd?
18:14:01pamauryCharl: not that I know, but you might want to ask again tomorrow, when there are more people that know about that particular players
18:14:28pamauryif with luck you manage to reflash the bootloader once, I know we have a patch to put everything on the sdcard
18:14:56robertd1Charl have you tried the suggestions at the forums ?
18:17:56robertd1"powering off the player, holding the center key and then plugging it into USB. If that gets you into USB mode you can try formatting the disk"
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18:20:00Charl_robertd1: Yes, I tried the suggestions in that thread. Formatting through USB bootloader mode does not do anything (tried on Windows and Ubuntu). But the interal sd DOES show up with the correct size (8GB).
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18:25:16johnb4Charl_ : I have a clip+ with readonly memory. I put a build on the SD and start it buy launching the rockbox.sansa file from there. (aka ROLO). That build mounts only the SD, so all settings are written and read from SD.
18:26:52johnb4If you want me to, I can do such a build for the zip later today.
18:28:56Charl_johnb4: That sounds really helpful.
18:30:56pamauryjohnb4: but he needs to be able to reflash the bootloader at least once
18:31:08pamauryor write to the internal storage
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18:33:17Bilgus_I think he starts into rockbox from internal then runs the special build on the sd which then saves its settings to sd
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18:33:44Bilgus_convoluted but given no other option I guess its better than the trash
18:34:28robertd1Charl_ Without the device connected to the usb port and no sd card, after holding on/off button pressed for 30 seconds what does the screen show?
18:34:49Bilgus_but true if he can't boot the rb on the internal it wouldn't work...
18:36:28Charl_Bilgus_: I can boot rockbox (but not OF) from the internal. It's in a read-only state though.
18:40:17Charl_robertd1: It shows nothing; during 10 first seconds rockbox powers on and then off, after 30 sec the device remains off.
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18:43:28robertd1Charl_ There is no way of forcing MSC mode by hold the center button while connecting the device?
18:44:02CharlHow do I know whether it is in MSC mode?
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18:44:57robertd1Charl if it shows as a hard disk in your pc
18:46:47Charlrobertd1: That works (Zip shows up as hd in Windows, rockbox displays logo for 1 sec but then screen is black).
18:48:00CharlBut formatting in that mode doesn't do anything, I tried it on Win10 and Ubuntu. Win10 says "cannot complete format", Ubuntu gives success message but reverts back to same filesystem.
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18:49:09robertd1Charl you cannot format that way. Windows 10 uses exfat formatting. A silly question, do you have the sansa clip firmware in your pc
18:51:52Charlrobertd1: Not sure what you mean. Do you mean if I have installed the Windows drivers? If yes no I haven't.
18:52:43CharlNot manually at least.
18:53:46robertd1Charl both the windows drivers and the sansa firmware for the device. The problem occured when you removed your sd card from the device?
18:55:33robertd1If I remember there used to be a sansa updater application for the pc
18:55:40Charlrobertd1: Yes, occured when I removed sd card.
18:57:53robertd1Charl if I were you I would try to format the device in ubuntu, fat 32
18:58:17Charlrobertd1: The newest Sansa Updater I can find is from 2009, to old I presume...
18:58:41CharlI tried formatting in Ubuntu already, pretty sure it was fat32.
19:02:25CharlI'll try it again.
19:03:01robertd1Try with the sansa updater first please
19:08:30Charlrobertd1: Just tried sansa updater (for the fuze, there doesn't seem to be one for zip) but it does not recognise the player
19:08:55CharlTried plugging in with the center button down and plugging in "normally"
19:09:17robertd1Char check this please
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19:12:28Charlrobertd1: That one didn't detect it either.
19:13:27robertd1Chad in windows explorer can you open your device?
19:14:09Charlrobertd1: Yes, opens like any flash drive. Windows does not seem to label it as an mp3 player though.
19:14:31robertd1is it empty?
19:14:52Charl"3.12 GB free of 7.35 GB"
19:15:34robertd1Charl can you see the .rockbox folder in there?
19:18:03CharlInterestingly, "Properties" for the device lists two Rockbox drivers.
19:18:30robertd1Charl you can try this
19:22:58Charlrobertd1: Yes, I have tried that method.
19:24:13Bilgus_Charl can you copy a file to the drive and have it persist a reboot?
19:24:25Charlrobertd1: Nope.
19:24:34CharlBilgus_: i meant
19:25:08robertd1In the hd properties can you right click and tell me please the file system?
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19:25:53Charlrobertd1: FAT32
19:26:01Bilgus_ok so here is your options 1: do what johnb suggested 2: open the player and do the recovery method
19:26:39Bilgus_unfortunately I only have a 4g image of the clip+ firmware so I doubt it'll work on your device
19:27:07Bilgus_not to mention option 2 has the potential to brick your device
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19:28:04Bilgus_so if you can find someone to open up their 8g clip+ and image it in recovery mode you might have a chance
19:29:21CharlBilgus_: I don't want to risk permanently bricking the device, so I'd rather load stuff off of the SD card. And I really
19:29:44Bilgus_then I think that is the option I'd go with..
19:30:00Charldon't know what you mean by 'imaging' and 'recovery mode' (noob here, sorry).
19:30:02Bilgus_Did you say you could get into the OF?
19:32:15CharlBilgus_: No, I can't. If I leave the OF on (which displays green screen) for ~1 hour the green screen disappears and the Sansa logo reappears, though the PC still doesn't recognise the player. I've read about people leaving the OF on and player plugged in for hours, which apparantly fixed the problem, but no luck for me.
19:32:25Bilgus_basically you short two pins on the board and it comes up in recovery mode you then make an image of this from a working clip+ and put it on your broken one
19:33:23Bilgus_oh I think you are on the clip zip then sorry
19:33:33CharlBilgus_: Yes, I'm on the Zip. :)
19:33:34Bilgus_I haven't even tried it
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19:34:05CharlThe link doesn't list the Zip though.
19:34:18Bilgus_ok so I think your only option is what johnb suggests
19:35:07CharlWhich was somehow loading Rb firmware off the SD card?
19:35:37johnb4gimme 20min and I will upload a build.
19:35:38Bilgus_basically the way it would work is you let rockbox boot ( the one internal)
19:35:57Bilgus_then you run the new one from the sd card
19:36:02CharlThanks for all your help. :)
19:36:06robertd1Charl in some cases trying to manually update the original firmware solves the green screen problem
19:36:16Bilgus_it does a soft boot which we call ROLO
19:36:33Bilgus_and that would have to be done everytime you start the player
19:37:01Bilgus_robertd1 if the files he puts on don't persist a reboot he won't beable to do an upgrade
19:37:39Bilgus_Charl if you want to try and do an upgrade rather than using the sansa ones do the multiboot bootloader instead
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19:38:10robertd1Bilgus_ I agree. I wasnt sure he tried that before
19:39:23Bilgus_and on top of that if he isn't able to get in to the OF I'm not sure it will even do an upgrade...
19:39:34Bilgus_but it's not going to hurt to try
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19:41:00Bilgus_but you know what Charl i have an idea
19:41:37Bilgus_go into rockbox, long press on files and go to 'show files' choose 'All'\
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19:43:09Bilgus_exit from there and go to files in the root of the drive are DID.bin and several .SYS files delete all the SYS files and reboot and try to enter the OF again
19:44:49johnb5if copying doesn't persist, deleting probably won't either
19:45:41Bilgus_probably but its worth a try since when those files get corrupted the OF freezes
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19:46:14Bilgus_if we can get him into the oF then he might have a chance to get a new bootloader on
19:47:08CharlDelete just the sys files, right?
19:47:49Bilgus_yeah as far as I know the DID.bin file is fine to delete too but for now just the (3) .SYS files
19:49:04Charlstill shows green screen i'm afraid
19:49:37Bilgus_ok long press power and go back to rockbox and see if the files are still gone
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19:50:15CharlNope, still there.
19:50:26Bilgus_you probably have to set sho to 'all' again
19:51:00Bilgus_yeah I don't think you have any other option than what johnb suggests
19:57:05CharlThanks for all the help guys! Bbl
19:57:22johnb5Unzip this to the root of your SDcard.
19:58:16johnb5Boot into RB, navigate with the File Browser to /<microsd> and select rockbox.sansa in there.
19:59:16johnb5It should restart RB with only the content of the SD visible. All changes now should persist and end up in the SD/.rockbox folder.
20:03:57johnb5This procedure (navigate, select) has to be done after each start of the device. That's what my son has to do ;-)
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