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#rockbox log for 2017-10-06

00:07:22BilgusRufusA could you post this in the forum as a little guide for the next person?
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02:13:47mathieulhHi, I just purchased a Sony Walkman NW-ZX300 and tried the destination tool available here
02:14:04mathieulhwhich unsurprisingly says that the device is not supported
02:14:47mathieulhin the page it says: If you get an error message like "Your device is not supported. Please contact developers.", please come to the #rockbox IRC channel to discuss it with developers.
02:14:52mathieulhthus I am here
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10:42:46pamaurymathieulh (logs): I'll have a look
10:43:40pamauryah, I can get the kernel but I don't have the players IDs. I will need someone with a NW-ZX300 and NW-A40 to run the scsitool for me
11:08:55pamaurywodz: ping
11:09:02wodzpamaury: pong
11:09:35pamauryI'd like to work again on the Fiio X1 in the near future. You said you had fixes for mips, do you tink you can extract them and put them on gerrit or push them?
11:10:23wodzpamaury: shure
11:11:20wodzpamaury: wodz/rockbox-wodz/commit/f9e85db38c126cdbfc165067a18299a1124245b4">
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12:51:16pamauryit seems like my lang fix has completely fixed the random builds problem \o/
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15:10:35pamaurywhat is the latest version of the android NDK that we support?
15:10:55pamauryI'm trying to build the DX90 but fails because it doesn't knwo −−system
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16:37:31fmlpamaury: Last commit to scsitool.c: "You device..." It should propably read "Your".
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17:28:38wodzBloody hell! Basically I can't use iram on ATJ in rockbox. It is too far apart from dram and calling code in iram from dram would need far jump (aka register based jump). In gcc you can pass -mlong-calls which makes *all* function calls register based or -mno-long-calls which makes *all* function calls short (26bit offset at most). There is no way (or at least I can't find how) to use regular calls when offset fits in 26bits field and long
17:28:38wodzcalls when don't.
17:30:21wodzI can't use MMU to remap this two regions closer together because on exception (irq is exception as well in mips terminology) MMU is bypassed and KSEG0/1 is used.
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17:32:07pamaurywodz: I have a similar problem on jz. How large is the iram on ATJ?
17:32:50wodzI still can put main stack there but this mem segmentation on mips is annoying
17:34:46pamauryah ok, it's quite big
17:35:31pamaurycan't you reactivate mmu on exception on mips?
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17:39:12wodzpamaury: when mips takes exception is unconditionally jumps to EBASE + offset appropriate to exception type (tlb miss, cache error, general exception, interrupt). Now the tricky part is that top 3 bits of EBASE are static and always points to kseg0/1 so you *always* end up in unmapped memory on exception.
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17:40:24wodzpamaury: What you could do in theory is to provide static mmu mapping (so you are confident it is always valid) and rejump to mmu mapped address at the very beginning of exception handler.
17:41:56wodzbut why mips toolchain can't inject trampolines when needed as arm eabi used to do?
17:43:41pamaurywodz: yes that was my idea, use a static mmu and a few stubs for the exceptions, that's what I do on jz since on mips the compiler seems stupid
17:44:25pamauryI really thought trampolines were a solved problem these days and that the linker was doing the job, but apparently not on mips
17:45:02wodzpamaury: working with mips is like touching the dinosaur :-)
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17:45:40wodzpamaury: Do you have public code for jz? github or something?
17:47:51pamaurywodz: no, it's somewhere on my disk, I haven't touched it in month, I'll dig it up for you (assuming it works, I don't remember if I actually made it work completely or not)
17:48:17pamaurythere was a problem with the mmu mips code on rockbox that is completely broken iirc
17:50:12wodzpamaury: I coded simple static mapping in asm
17:50:42wodzpamaury: It worked in hwstub so it took me a while to figure out why it fails badly in rockbox
17:54:27walle303I've got a sansa clip zip that shows up as a 32MB block device when connected, screen is black, is this some sort of recovery mode?
17:58:20Bilgusonly problem there is how do you force recovery mode on the clipzip..
17:58:42funmanit forced itself apparently
17:59:19Bilgusi'm saying on one not bricked/borked
17:59:40Bilguslike to pull off a recovery image
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18:03:18BilgusI wonder just how similar the zip and the plus are
18:03:57walle303Oh, my instinct was right, just dd over the image
18:04:04walle303Dropped in to make sure though
18:04:44Bilguswhat are you putting back?
18:05:18Bilgusif you are just going to force the image you better make damn sure you put it at the right offset
18:05:52walle303is it 0xf000? for the clip zip?
18:06:09Bilgusdon't know
18:06:38walle303I don't see much info about the clip zip on this page
18:07:04walle303Well, the entire 32MB file I dumped from it is all zeros
18:07:57walle303So, I'm guessing the NAND got zeroed out somehow or something
18:08:02Bilguseh I guess it doesn't get too much worse
18:08:28BilgusIf you get it to work do document it on the forum plz
18:08:48Bilgusalso you might want to write the multiboot bootloader
18:09:11Bilgusrather than stock fw or the standard bootloader
18:09:29walle303Yeah, That's the one I have
18:09:45Bilguswithout a recovery image though I'm pretty sure there is a bunch of init stuff you are missing
18:10:12walle303Wait, I have another clip zip here which [besides a broken screen] works fine
18:10:42Bilguswell! you would need to figure out how to force it into recovery mode
18:11:09Bilgusor just transfer its 'goods' to the other player and be done with it
18:11:59walle303Well, I see a possibility for putting it into recovery mode
18:12:53Bilgusthe unbrick page tells you to short out those pins all thats doing afaict is pulling the nand enable low and simulating its absence
18:13:28Bilgusso if you probe what you think is the right pins one of them should go back to the nand enable
18:13:30walle303Oh, ok, I can probably do that if i can find the pinout for the nand
18:13:49BilgusIIRC someone finally found the proper manual
18:14:25Bilgusyou'd have to search the IRC logs
18:14:29wodzAFAIK 32MB thing is not nand
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18:14:58Bilgusoh is it just the image partition?
18:15:44wodzBilgus: honestly we don't know what it is. Maybe some ramdisk or just debug stub or something else.
18:16:23wodzAFAIK you cannot resurect amsv2 if it is in 32MB mode
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18:19:21walle303Is the image partition not part of NAND?
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18:19:58Bilguswodz are you sure I swear the recovery partition on the clip+ is 32 mb
18:20:57wodzBilgus: I may be wrong but you need to see image of the size of nand chip. Then you can simply dd something to it and it persist.
18:21:41walle303Bilgus: Do I have to worry about offset still if it's just the image partition?
18:21:52walle303or can I just dump the image right onto it
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18:23:47Bilgusyou don't have a dd of the recovery so I imagine you need to have the offset
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18:25:07BilgusI was able to pull the recovery off a working 4gb clip+ and write it to another that I placed in recovery mode and it worked but I haven't a clue about the clipzip I imagine wodz is far more proficient
18:25:49Bilgusthere is the image I pulled maybe you can deduce something from it
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18:28:29Bilgusfigure offset F000 is something like 60 kb of data you don't have
18:29:25Bilgusoh nm it starts at 512
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18:31:58walle303I compared that image to the firmware image I have and the header structure looks identical
18:32:46Bilgushmm I was under the impression the header starts at 512 but hey what do you have to lose?
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18:36:05pamaurythis is weird, now with the fixed cpufreq code I see the cpu frequency on older players and it seems they always run at 500 Mhz but still audio stutters when backlight is off, this is very strange
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18:36:20walle303Welp, Nothing
18:36:28walle303It appears it's some sort of ramdisk then or something
18:37:27Bilgusso it didn't persist then?
18:37:32walle303it didn't retain any of the data after rebooting it
18:38:01walle303Oh wait, It doesn't retain any of the data immediately after writing it
18:38:12walle303I suppose the NAND could be toast
18:38:30Bilguswell that would jive with what wodz is saying
18:38:58walle303I guess I should just desolder the screen and solder it into the broken one then
18:39:18Bilgusyeah one good from two bad thats a win
18:40:55Bilgusget your flux ready
18:41:22walle303Well, I need to seperate the screen from the other one without possibly breaking it
18:45:45walle303I suppose I could just generate the voice files for the one with the brown screen
18:45:54walle303It's already got rockbox on it
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18:50:23fs-bluebotBuild Server message: Revision 4382f87 result: All green
18:52:25Bilgussounds safer imo
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19:14:24CH23Bilgus: got my 2nd sansa clip+ set up, also with a 330mAh battery upgrade. not sure if you remember the voltage going haywire on the other one, but indeed this one doesn't seem to do that.
19:15:09BilgusI do. good to hear though
19:16:49CH23what's also interesting is that with same software build, when started at the same time, the screen goes off about half a second sooner on the newer one
19:23:13Bilgushmm, not a big surprise really
19:33:53CH23dongs: did you get any further on the transplanting of NAND?
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21:07:24RBNBHi again guys! I am still looking to get an Italian voice file for spoken menus.
21:07:48RBNBHas anyone maybe created one already, or can tell me what I need to create one myself within RB Utility?
21:08:41wodzRBNB: Check irc logs (near the bottom)
21:09:54RBNBOMG you are awesome, thanks so much for hinting that my question had been answered!
21:15:59RBNBAww crap, I followed the instructions provided by RufusA...I got spoken menus, but there was noise in between all the time.
21:16:09RBNBNow the device got into PANIC mode and is unresponsive
21:16:47CH23hold power for 10 seconds, it should turn off then, and clicking power should reboot it
21:18:46RBNBCH23, thanks that worked for the moment.
21:19:14RBNBUnfortunately the problem persists, and the screen keeps going into some flashing mode, showing "undefined instru..."
21:20:24RBNBIt seems only keeping the language as "English" lets it operate normally
21:20:51CH23i wonder why
21:22:30RBNBI have been working with Rockbox for many years, I have never seen such an error to be honest
21:22:47CH23i could find a number of them on google
21:23:25CH23nothing relevant it seems
21:23:35RBNBI was so happy at first, getting Italian spoken menus, but as I said, there was always some strange noise in between the sound clips.
21:23:51RBNBAs if the unit tried to load some sound that doesn't work and causes the error
21:25:10CH23i don't have a clip zip but i'll try to replicate on my clip+
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21:30:21CH23RBNB: how large were the generated files?
21:30:28CH23in total
21:30:40CH23i only have about 160MB free
21:31:44pamauryI'm running out of idea on this audio stutter problem on the NWZ. Apparently the cpu is running at constant speed, ALSA does not report an underflow afaict, and it clearly happens *only* when lcd is off.
21:33:04RBNBI used the voice file which RufusA created himself and offered for has 2,3 MB
21:34:11RBNBCH23, do you have all components installed to create a voice file yourself?
21:34:21CH23yeah seems like it
21:35:03CH23Bilgus: how can i boot from the internal memory, without editing the µSD card?
21:38:07CH23Data abort at 30046E9
21:38:14CH23FSR 0x8
21:38:27CH23(domain 0, fault 8)
21:38:48CH23address 0xA8000018
21:39:23CH23pc:30046E94 sp:30096A
21:39:36CH23something is afoot
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21:44:59wodzpamaury: does it sound like digital or maybe it pickups something in analog?
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21:45:31pamaurywodz: sounds digital, suddenly the audio goes silent for half a second and then resumes
21:47:17pamaurywodz: I put my fiio x1 stuff at pamaury/rockbox-1/tree/fiiox1"> it's probably not working/unusable and I don't really remember where I left it
21:48:10wodzpamaury: I am interested mostly in mmu part
21:49:47pamauryyou can look at crt0.S there is special code to setup mmu (it never a different stack since memory is not mapped yet) and then I apparently changed something in mips-mmu.c
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22:00:11RBNBCH23, did you use the file provided by RufusA or did you create your own voice file and it produced the same error?
22:01:13CH23there was something weird about the process; i created it myself, but at first it didn't do it right. just now i got it working. i will try Italian now
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22:05:43CH23RBNB: what OS are you using?
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22:09:47CH23RBNB: it seems to be working fine for me
22:10:56RBNBI am on Windows 7 on my laptop
22:11:21RBNBShall I maybe try the voice file you created on my Zip?
22:11:54CH23i don't think they're compatible, are they?
22:13:05RBNBHmm, good question actually. Both players are so similar...but I assume if one single menu items differs, everything could fail
22:13:29RBNBIf you don't mind, you could make that file available just as a tryout. But I'll be happy to try to create one myself
22:13:45CH23i'm going to try and extract it
22:15:13CH23RBNB: do you happen to be on Telegram?
22:16:22RBNBSorry I don't :-8
22:16:35CH23then i'll upload somewhere else
22:17:44CH23all you need is the .voice file, right?
22:18:50RBNBYes, as far as I know that's everything!
22:19:44CH23actually i think i might be able to generate the correct voices
22:20:28RBNBI can't thank you enough either way, for taking the time to work on this
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22:27:59RBNBCH23, do you use RB Utility for this? Can't it just create the voice file for a player that is connected to the PC?
22:32:54CH23RBNB: i'm trying to build the software for the zip, to make the utility create the voice file for it
22:33:34CH23i must say though, the voice software that i have on my computer isn't super nice. but it beats not being able to use the player
22:34:50RBNBDefinitely, my blind friend will be more than happy about the most rudimental voice implementation
22:35:09CH23yeah i can relate
22:38:52RBNBI can't really do anything but wait here because building is far beyond my own IT knowledge. Just keep me posted
22:45:52CH23i'm creating the file right now. i made the utility believe i had a clip zip mounted. hah.
22:48:30CH23if you place this in .rockbox/langs/ it should work
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22:50:59RBNBAlright, I'll give it a shot right away :-)
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22:54:53RBNBOh no, I can't believe my bad luck. A similar thing happened, when I set the language from English to Italian, I could hear the voice file works, but immediately the player got that error again
22:55:05RBNBthe screen flashing and showing "undefined instru"
22:55:22CH23try restarting it and keep it in italian
22:55:36CH23it might be that it can't handle the change in language
22:56:46RBNBActually, I cannot even change the language to Italian anymore. Even when I turn voiced menus off beforehand, the error comes immediately when I switch the language
22:57:07CH23have you tried reinstalling?
22:58:26RBNBReinstalling Rockbox you mean? No I could try that! Can I do it all via RB Utility? Shall I uninstall the bootloader too?
23:00:48CH23leave the bootloader be for now
23:01:02CH23the utility can install rockbox for you
23:04:11RBNBSame thing. I uninstalled Rockbox, reinstalled it and put the voice file back in place. All I could hear was the voice saying "lingua" and then the player crashed again
23:04:30RBNBThis is so frustrating, it's like we have everything there but then this unexplainable error
23:05:13CH23in that case you could try reinstalling the bootloader; be sure to have a copy of the original firmware when you do
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23:05:59RBNBYes, I still have it stored on my PC from the original installation
23:07:07RBNBBut since the English voice file works without problems, chances are very small this is going to change anything -.-
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23:08:47RBNBHm, it looks like RB Utility cannot uninstall the bootloader for the ZIP
23:10:27CH23i think you can just reinstall over it
23:11:30RBNBI will try. So you tried this procedure for your Clip Plus, and it worked? And you have RB 3.14 installed like me?
23:12:48CH23i have the latest developer build on mine
23:18:05RBNBWhy not, I will just try that one, although it might not have any positive effect on the ZIP
23:20:05CH23i'll link you in a moment
23:23:37RBNBIT WORKS!!!!
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23:24:58RBNBI did the whole process via RB Utility before I saw you posted another download link...but it works! I reinstalled the bootloader together with the latest daily build of RB, then copied over the voice file provided by RufusA
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23:27:46CH23i have removed both files from mega, the links will no longer work
23:28:24RBNBAlright! Seriously CH23, I am at loss for words right now.
23:28:44CH23luckily now the clip zip can do the talking ;)
23:29:10RBNBThe time you put into this today, is not only going to make Rockbox accessible for someone who otherwise wouldn't have the chance...
23:29:26RBNBIt is going to give a blind person the chance to listen to music after all
23:30:19RBNBAs far as I know, RockBox is the only project to have an implementation of vocalisation
23:30:29CH23i know what's it like to live with a disability, and music is very important to me too, so i'm really happy that this works and exists
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23:37:03RBNBI'll make sure to get another donation your way...what you do is incredible, I cannot say this often enough
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23:58:20RBNBAt this point, I want to shout out to RufusA, whenever you read this: THANKS for providing the Italian voice file, it sounds really good and natural. It will help a lot :-)

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