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| 00:30:44 | Bilgus | 'CH23> Bilgus: how can i boot from the internal memory, without editing the µSD card?' take the memory card out while player is off then re-insert after it boots |
| 00:31:32 | Bilgus | OR boot just like normal then go to the rockbox.sansa file in the internal memory and run it |
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| 00:44:49 | harlock | is there any way to totally remove ios from my ipod video (5th gen)? i have rockbox running, and that is all i want. i dont want it to ever ever ever try to boot ios. |
| 00:47:54 | gevaerts | harlock: have a look at https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodPatcher |
| 00:56:27 | harlock | oh its not hard at all |
| 00:56:31 | harlock | gevaerts: thanks! |
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| 01:22:56 | __builtin | ugh, this is pretty much impossible to debug |
| 01:31:17 | jhMikeS | __builtin: talking about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root |
| 01:31:56 | __builtin | no, not that |
| 01:32:10 | __builtin | it's in the bytecode interpreter for QuakeC |
| 01:33:21 | __builtin | it does boolean operations on floats |
| 01:33:48 | __builtin | as in, c->_float = (int)a->_float & (int)b->_float; |
| 01:35:32 | gevaerts | & isn't boolean! |
| 01:35:53 | jhMikeS | It just ands two integers and assigns it back to a float |
| 01:36:54 | __builtin | well, it does boolean ops on them as well |
| 01:37:10 | jhMikeS | that's valid too |
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| 01:49:09 | __builtin | yes, it's pretty weird though |
| 01:58:19 | Bilgus | jhMikeS, what other plans do you have for the g#1556? |
| 01:58:22 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #1556 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1556 : Allow mounting of any directory as the root directory. by Michael Sevakis |
| 01:59:17 | Aldem | Hello rockboxers |
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| 04:53:23 | jhMikeS | Bilgus: none whatsoever without another FS code update |
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| 10:40:36 | lebellium | pamaury: did you get something from him https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sony-nw-zx300-coming-soon.854693/page-64#post-13767409 ? |
| 10:47:16 | pamaury | lebellium: yes i have the model id |
| 10:49:33 | lebellium | It's a pity we can't find service manuals anymore |
| 10:49:38 | lebellium | there are all model IDs in |
| 10:51:04 | pamaury | yeah... |
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| 12:26:16 | CH23 | Bilgus: thanks, i was hoping there'd be a button combo at boot to make it switch, much like it can to the og firmware. |
| 12:27:08 | CH23 | also another somewhat silly question: would it be possible to write software to make the fm radio work with DAB+ |
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| 12:36:46 | Bilgus | CH23, on some devices that would be fine but not on all since there aren't a lot of bytes left to shoehorn it into the bootloader |
| 12:39:09 | Bilgus | but we could maybe write a stub loader that sat on the card and gets loaded from the bootloader then does a menu that lets you select something but it seems pretty convoluted for not much gain |
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| 13:03:34 | lebellium | may an head-fier ask in the https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sony-nw-zx300-coming-soon.854693/ thread to try out the latest scsitool version? |
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| 13:07:05 | pamaury | lebellium: I answered the guy by email |
| 13:07:22 | lebellium | ok |
| 13:07:23 | pamaury | I asked him to run more tests to get the kas and other things |
| 13:07:47 | pamaury | but still interested in people running https://gist.github.com/pamaury/36b9c79b936abf300bfd203a295029ca on a NW-ZX300 or NW-A40 |
| 13:07:52 | pamaury | even NW-A30 |
| 13:08:25 | lebellium | A40 is not released yet I think |
| 13:08:40 | pamaury | yeah but in the future |
| 13:08:49 | pamaury | I guess any new player basically |
| 13:09:35 | lebellium | even about http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51792.0.html |
| 13:09:50 | lebellium | there are hundreds users on head-fi but no one bothering making some tests |
| 13:11:21 | pamaury | yeah that's annoying |
| 13:11:45 | lebellium | if it was risky I may understand |
| 13:11:56 | lebellium | but it's just about reading some information |
| 13:13:20 | lebellium | I don't want to sign up on head-fi just to tell people off so it would be nice if an head-fier here can try to convince people on head-fi we need their help as beta testers |
| 13:15:35 | lebellium | btw, how do you find the NWZ-A10? Did you play with it? |
| 13:16:57 | pamaury | I didn't play with it a lot but the screen is very nice |
| 13:17:07 | pamaury | I think I prefer the form factor of the 585 though |
| 13:17:16 | pamaury | the keys on the A10 are a bit weird |
| 13:18:12 | lebellium | yeah I don't like the "back" and "option" keys |
| 13:18:30 | pamaury | I have also bought some extension cable for the wm-port, I'm trying to hack them, I suspect it's possible to obtain a serial console with the wm-port |
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| 13:53:33 | pamaury | lebellium: I've found a NWZ-S764BT on leboncoin, buying it ; |
| 13:53:42 | lebellium | leave it to me :( |
| 13:54:13 | lebellium | I still don't have any S7XX grrr |
| 13:54:25 | lebellium | I should look at leboncoin more often |
| 13:55:08 | pamaury | lebellium: to be honest I don't do much with those players. If you are interested and once I've ported the to the S760 and possibly made bluetoooth work I can give you the S750 and S760 |
| 13:55:52 | lebellium | I'm sure I don't do more than you with them :P |
| 13:56:51 | lebellium | and when from time to time I want to use a player I don't usually use, then most likely the battery is empty |
| 13:57:04 | lebellium | collecting DAPs is the worst choice ever :D |
| 13:58:31 | pamaury | yes :) but at least you are collecting them, I just port to them and never use them again |
| 13:58:44 | pamaury | and then I pile them in a box and forget about them |
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| 14:00:00 | lebellium | we'll see later when you give me back the S540 and A860 if I can accept the S750 and S760 or it's a too big gift \o/ |
| 14:00:10 | lebellium | if* |
| 14:02:14 | pamaury | I still need to decide what to do about the A860 bootloader, do you think I should make it touch screen aware or is it sufficiently with the buttons? |
| 14:05:58 | lebellium | I think it would be nice to have it screen touch aware too. Then if someone has a broken button, it could be still used ? |
| 14:07:12 | pamaury | it's just a lot more work because we don't have gestures in rockbox and I guess that's what is most natural for the bootloader. I'll have try at it |
| 14:08:50 | lebellium | you mean swiping left/right or up/.down? |
| 14:09:45 | pamaury | yes |
| 14:10:30 | pamaury | I mean I'm lying a bit, we have gegstures for lists in rockbox, but the bootloader cannot include all of that stuff |
| 14:15:37 | lebellium | ok |
| 14:15:49 | lebellium | it it's so much work, don't bother with it then |
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| 15:20:49 | man_in_shack | welp, my sansa clip+ is dying |
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| 15:42:17 | Bilgus | ok. |
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| 15:48:09 | man_in_shack | finally making progress on it now. managed to get it mounted in stock firmware mode |
| 15:52:04 | Bilgus | your best bet is probably to put the multiboot bootloader on there and starting running from the SD card instead |
| 15:52:27 | Bilgus | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51844.0.html |
| 15:53:55 | man_in_shack | looks like a broken filesystem on system device |
| 15:54:01 | man_in_shack | .rockbox dir is screwed up |
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| 15:57:32 | Bilgus | its a sign of the internal flash being on its way out |
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| 16:06:05 | man_in_shack | i think i bricked it |
| 16:08:49 | man_in_shack | ok, is not bricked :) |
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| 16:22:54 | man_in_shack | ok, it died during firmware update :| |
| 16:25:28 | man_in_shack | rockbox bootloader is still there. is there a way to force it into bootloader usb mode? |
| 16:30:24 | Bilgus | sure just hold the center button |
| 16:30:54 | Bilgus | what do you mean it died during fw update? |
| 16:31:12 | Bilgus | it turns off automatically once the update is done |
| 16:31:29 | man_in_shack | it turned off after like 2 seconds |
| 16:31:42 | man_in_shack | stock firmware not booting now |
| 16:31:43 | man_in_shack | fun |
| 16:31:48 | Bilgus | yeah maybe thats a bit quick |
| 16:32:30 | Bilgus | the rockbox bootloader handles the stock fw as well they are packaged together |
| 16:32:39 | Bilgus | are you using linux? |
| 16:36:12 | man_in_shack | yah |
| 16:36:41 | man_in_shack | this is fun |
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| 16:37:59 | Bilgus | so does the bootloader still come up on boot? |
| 16:39:05 | man_in_shack | i got it to "loading firmware" and it takes ages to say "no file found" |
| 16:40:09 | Bilgus | whats the version on the bootloader |
| 16:41:12 | man_in_shack | i think it's fully bricked now |
| 16:41:18 | man_in_shack | when it was working, it was 4.00 |
| 16:41:42 | Bilgus | is this a 4gb unit? |
| 16:42:56 | man_in_shack | 8gb |
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| 16:45:40 | Bilgus | what happens when you plug it into your pc? |
| 16:49:55 | man_in_shack | linux is having trouble IDing the device |
| 16:50:22 | man_in_shack | getting lots of "unable to enumerate device" in dmesg |
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| 16:51:25 | Bilgus | weird |
| 16:51:32 | Bilgus | whats lsusb show? |
| 16:54:03 | man_in_shack | sandisk corp. sansa clip+ (msc) |
| 16:54:42 | man_in_shack | seems i'm getting errors when trying to actually access the partition |
| 16:54:54 | man_in_shack | mass storage device comes up ok |
| 16:55:24 | man_in_shack | so you're probably right about the flash being the problem |
| 16:55:28 | man_in_shack | seems pretty dead |
| 16:56:04 | Bilgus | well if we can get multiboot on there it will still be a usable device |
| 16:56:28 | Bilgus | have you ever taken the clip+ apart? |
| 16:56:33 | man_in_shack | no |
| 16:56:48 | Bilgus | do you fell comfortable in doing so |
| 16:56:52 | Bilgus | feel* |
| 16:57:16 | man_in_shack | not tonight :P |
| 16:57:18 | Bilgus | if we can get it into recovery mode we can try and write the bootloader directly |
| 16:57:41 | Bilgus | https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick |
| 16:58:14 | Bilgus | check that out when you have time I can guide you through the steps, there won't be any need for soldering |
| 16:58:52 | man_in_shack | thanks |
| 16:59:41 | Bilgus | you'll need a spudger or credit card or guitar pick and a small screwdriver |
| 16:59:52 | Bilgus | flat head and a phillps |
| 16:59:56 | man_in_shack | yah |
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| 17:02:05 | man_in_shack | have probably lost my customised theme |
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| 17:03:01 | man_in_shack | is ok though. was going to switch it out anyway |
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| 17:04:31 | Bilgus | the data is probably still there |
| 17:04:57 | Bilgus | no guarantee that it isn't corrupted though |
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| 18:02:03 | micah | with my nwz-a17, there are all these folders in the 'contents' directory that keep coming back, and I dont want them |
| 18:02:22 | micah | DCIM, MP_ROOT, MPE_ROOT, MUSIC, PICTURE, PODCASTS, RECEIVED, VIDEO |
| 18:02:41 | micah | i've removed them from the rockbox interface, and removed them when the device is mounted, but they come right back |
| 18:05:38 | micah | also, the 'files' selection gets me an entire OS tree, and I need to go into contents to get to the actual things I want to play. on my previous device it would just go right into the actual files... i see there is a settings->file view->start file browser at / |
| 18:05:47 | micah | but i can't seem to change that to start the file browser at /contents or similar |
| 18:41:59 | lebellium | micah: they'll always come back so just stop losing time deleting them |
| 18:43:20 | lebellium | you can start browsing at /contents |
| 18:43:45 | lebellium | highlight the /contents folder, long press on play |
| 18:43:50 | lebellium | and select "start browsing here" |
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| 18:56:44 | pamaury | micah: for now there is no hope to remove those directories, they are automatically created by Sony. |
| 18:58:18 | Bilgus | do those devices have the ability to run scripts at start-up maybe make one to auto-delete them or even hide? |
| 18:59:14 | lebellium | well, I don't understand why those folders are bothering someone |
| 18:59:24 | lebellium | if you don"t need them, just don't use them |
| 18:59:38 | pamaury | I agree with lebellium that I fail to see the problem |
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| 19:00:34 | Bilgus | probably just cluttering it up but I do see the point |
| 19:00:51 | Bilgus | ignoring them.. |
| 19:03:26 | lebellium | I guess all famous brands (Samsung, Sony, Sandisk, Cowon etc) have done that for years so that if someone formats the device, he's not afraid seeing nothing at the root afterwards |
| 19:06:16 | lebellium | the customer feels reassured seeing his "Music" folder back by default and he just has to feed it again. |
| 19:10:13 | Bilgus | Pamaury how do you feel about setting up the multiboot bootloader rockbox_main.<MODEL_NUMBER> and getting it committed so people are insatlling it by default |
| 19:12:19 | Bilgus | it looks like it'll be awhile yet before we have a mainline capable of booting from the SD Card but at least the bootloader would already support it |
| 19:13:01 | lebellium | Arf. I should install that on my Clip+ and Clip Zip before the internal storage is dying |
| 19:14:09 | pamaury | Bilgus: can you recall me what needs to be added to the bootloader? I have no objection. Just remember that in any case it requires to release a new bootloader for targets if you want people to actually download and use it |
| 19:15:34 | Bilgus | needs BOOTDATA in crt.0 and HAVE_BOOTDATA + rockbox.main defined in config |
| 19:16:43 | pamaury | we sent a mail for the mailing list right? |
| 19:16:44 | Bilgus | right now it is set up to do the player name rockbox_main.clip+ clipzip etc johnb thought it might be better to use the Model# since thats already defined |
| 19:17:17 | Bilgus | Yeah a long while ago where we kinda hashed out how it would work |
| 19:18:38 | Bilgus | https://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2017-02/0000.shtml |
| 19:20:11 | pamaury | ah yes. Maybe reply to the mailing again explaining the final status, see if people have more comments and if not we submit. Well the model number is quite obscure, I guess we could falldown to model number if no user-friendly string is defined? But even then I suspect we want to enable that per target and it's a small addition |
| 19:21:19 | Bilgus | yeah you do already have to add HAVE_BOOTDATA anyways |
| 19:22:27 | pamaury | I would say everything needs to be well documented in the code and commit text |
| 19:22:38 | micah | pamaury: thanks |
| 19:23:30 | Bilgus | I think it pretty much is but i'll look it over |
| 19:23:42 | micah | lebellium: i often am looking through my audio trying to find things, and if I have to always ignore with my brain 8 ALLCAPSDIRECTORIES, then I'm having to use visual grep, when a computer can do that for me |
| 19:24:22 | micah | also, i'm looking often there with little time to make a change, so I have to scroll past them each time too |
| 19:25:40 | micah | anyways, its just clutter, i am OCD about keeping my stuff organized on the device, so I will just have to go wash my hands 500 times instead |
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| 19:28:01 | pamaury | maybe I will eventually manage to bypass Sony's database refreshing thingy and that will solve the problem. I have an idea about that but I haven't tried it yet. |
| 19:30:59 | lebellium | the database refresh is more annoying than the autogeneration of folders |
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| 19:43:33 | micah | i want to adjust the max volume, and I see where I can do that, but I dont know what the current max volume is set to |
| 19:43:48 | micah | it seems a little low for this device |
| 19:45:44 | pamaury | micah: not sure I understand, just press volume up until it stop ^^ |
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| 19:46:02 | pamaury | lebellium: I think the destination settings affects max volume even in rockbox right? |
| 19:47:04 | lebellium | hum good question |
| 19:47:13 | lebellium | I don't even remember if I checked that point |
| 19:47:41 | lebellium | since it's RaaA it should be based on the Sony volume, right? |
| 19:50:21 | pamaury | well it depends if the volume is enforced in the driver or not. But I think it is |
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| 19:50:34 | pamaury | micah: you might want to change destination using https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SonyNWDestTool |
| 19:51:22 | pamaury | ask lebellium which destination to use |
| 19:52:10 | lebellium | Try "E" |
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| 19:55:55 | pamaury | maybe I should provide a way to change destination in the debug menu |
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| 20:07:30 | pamaury | lebellium: got the NW-ZX300 info |
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| 20:08:46 | lebellium | what for is it helpful? |
| 20:09:42 | pamaury | I got the kas, I don't know how to use it yet but at least we have it for the future |
| 20:09:52 | pamaury | I still can't determine the color thing though |
| 20:10:24 | lebellium | yeah the ZX300 is not a good example for the color... |
| 20:10:43 | lebellium | it will only be available in silver and also in black but in China only |
| 20:16:20 | micah | pamaury: the problem is I'm pressing volume up until it stops, and I'm constantly listening at rockbox's max volume, and it cannot go louder. However, under Settings->Maximum Volume Limit I can set different levels there. There is a list ranging from 4dB to -100dB, but I dont know what the current value here is set to |
| 20:16:37 | * | micah looks at https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SonyNWDestTool |
| 20:18:14 | lebellium | in settings->maximum volume limit you can set a lower maximum volume but it won't be higher than the default max volume |
| 20:21:21 | micah | dest_tool get tells me: |
| 20:21:22 | micah | Destination: CA (301) |
| 20:21:22 | micah | Sound pressure: 0 (off) |
| 20:22:02 | lebellium | I think CA is already uncapped but not sure |
| 20:23:06 | pamaury | micah: try in the original firmware then |
| 20:23:16 | pamaury | it might just be that the device is not loud |
| 20:23:33 | micah | wiki shows dest_tool of CA as ? |
| 20:23:49 | lebellium | Yeah, the table comes from me |
| 20:24:07 | lebellium | It put "?" because I didn't try it |
| 20:25:33 | micah | tried max volume in the OF, it seemed louder, but I need to go back to RB to compare |
| 20:27:06 | micah | yeah its definitely louder, and seems to have a lot more bass |
| 20:27:52 | pamaury | hum, now this is weird. It appears that Sony might have change encryption again in NW-ZX300, the kas has again another format... |
| 20:28:33 | lebellium | about the bass level, can you check in the Sony Test Mode if in CA region, they put +X dB on bass? |
| 20:28:40 | lebellium | they did it for the E580 |
| 20:29:24 | pamaury | micah: Sony has some funky audio settings like "acoustic mode", available in the driver, that do weird things (TM). Maybe Sony always enables them by default, I think Sony likes bassy boosted sounds these days |
| 20:30:55 | lebellium | hum no there is no bass settings in the test mode on NWZ-A10 |
| 20:31:12 | micah | lebellium: Tools Menu->Service menu->Audio ? |
| 20:32:10 | micah | Audio has a submenu->OUTPUT, SN, F1, F2, SEPLR, SEPRL, MAXOUT, NMLZR, SPCHK, SPKCHK, USER1, USER2, USER3, HIRES |
| 20:32:21 | lebellium | yes |
| 20:32:48 | lebellium | there isn't what I expected |
| 20:33:16 | micah | wow F1... i thought that there was a huge truck idling outside |
| 20:33:37 | lebellium | you shouldn't test all things with earphones in your ears |
| 20:33:40 | lebellium | it's risky |
| 20:33:51 | micah | halfway through testing those... |
| 20:33:53 | micah | haha |
| 20:34:01 | micah | thanks, i'll stop |
| 20:35:03 | micah | should I try to set the destination to E? |
| 20:36:17 | lebellium | you can try but I really think that CA is already uncapped and that your headphone is too demanding |
| 20:36:43 | lebellium | pamaury: it's not possible to test the different audio modes in the debug meny anymore? |
| 20:36:48 | lebellium | I can't find it |
| 20:36:49 | micah | but then why is it louder in the OF? |
| 20:37:00 | pamaury | lebellium: no, I wanted to turned them into proper settings |
| 20:37:10 | pamaury | except I didn't yet, but that can be fixed easily |
| 20:37:20 | lebellium | ok |
| 20:37:36 | lebellium | micah: as pamaury said, there are several (I guess 3) different audio modes in the Sony driver |
| 20:37:45 | lebellium | it may be that Rocbox doesn't use the same as the OF |
| 20:37:56 | lebellium | when he'll add that to Rockbox you can try and compare |
| 20:38:29 | lebellium | during my earlier beta tests, one mode was very noisy so we switched to another one |
| 20:39:48 | pamaury | lebellium: yeah but the noise was due to a bug in Sony's driver I think, now it's fixed because we workaround this bug |
| 20:39:53 | * | pamaury adds some settings |
| 20:40:46 | micah | ok. once I've done the `dest_tool set` how do I reset the settings on the device? |
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| 20:43:21 | robertd1 | Hi Pamaury did you find out what caused the bus error at 40b19078 address 0x00000000? |
| 20:43:30 | pamaury | robertd1: no :( |
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| 20:43:52 | lebellium | Sony>settings>common settings>reset/format>reset all settings |
| 20:44:21 | pamaury | jhMikeS: ping |
| 20:44:54 | micah | lebellium: thanks |
| 20:44:57 | robertd1 | pamaury I recompiled, the error was gone, then it reappeared again after shutdown :-( |
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| 20:45:33 | pamaury | it's completely random on my device, that makes it very hard to debug |
| 20:46:04 | jhMikeS | pamaury: yes? |
| 20:47:12 | pamaury | jhMikeS: I want to add some "audio" settings on Sony, we don't really know what they do and they are boolean. Should I add them to audiohw_setting.h or directly in the settings in apps/ ? |
| 20:47:44 | pamaury | (they are specific to the hardware so I'm not sure they should go in audiohw_setting) |
| 20:47:45 | jhMikeS | pamaury: have more info? |
| 20:48:00 | jhMikeS | they should go in a header for the hardware really |
| 20:48:36 | pamaury | One is called "acoustic" mode, and the other "cuerev". They change the volume curve but I haven't really identified what was the intended purpose |
| 20:48:42 | pamaury | ok |
| 20:50:36 | jhMikeS | basically like how the wm*.h headers are set up with the "AUDIOHW_SETTING" macros. It still needs hooking up with settings.c the usual way. |
| 20:52:01 | jhMikeS | though if they're just booleans and don't have units or a scale, AUDIOHW_SETTING probably isn't really required |
| 20:52:13 | pamaury | they are just boolean so I won't use AUDIOHW_SETTING |
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| 21:23:56 | lebellium | pamaury: can precise in the settings name which one is used by Sony like "acoustic mode (OF)" for example |
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| 21:31:23 | pamaury | lebellium: at first I will make it reappear in the debug menu and have a clean API for this. Then I'll push the setting if it turns out to be useful |
| 21:31:32 | lebellium | ok |
| 21:31:40 | pamaury | lebellium: I don't think the OF has an equivalent setting |
| 21:31:54 | lebellium | it doesn't |
| 21:32:14 | lebellium | but to help the user choose and understand, it would be nice to know which one of the 3 modes is used in OF |
| 21:32:25 | lebellium | see micah questions |
| 21:33:33 | pamaury | I don't know, for all I know it might depend on other things, like the audio output or it might be part of the implementation of some Sony's settings |
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| 22:02:23 | pamaury | I've pushed acoustic and cuerev mode code in the debug menu |
| 22:02:41 | pamaury | the settings are in g#1691 but I prefer to wait to see before adding potentially useless settings |
| 22:02:43 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #1691 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1691 : sonynwz: turn "acoustic" and "cuerev" into proper settings (DON'T PUSH) by Amaury Pouly |
| 22:10:26 | pamaury | lebellium: I'm looking into adding bass and treble settings since those appear to be supported by the hardware. There is also what I suspect is Sony's "Clear Stereo". Do you know what this is? |
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| 22:51:25 | pamaury | lebellium: are you sure the NWZ-A10 can't detect whether the headphones are inserted? |
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| 23:29:15 | lebellium | pamaury: sorry, was watching a movie |
| 23:29:25 | lebellium | at least I'm sure the OF doesn't make use of it if the feature exists |
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| 23:31:42 | lebellium | In OF there is a "ClearAudio+" sound setting. On older models I think it was called Clear Stereo |
| 23:33:09 | lebellium | yes, on the E360 there is "Clear Stereo" |
| 23:34:16 | lebellium | I don't know what it does, I don't hear any difference |
| 23:35:04 | lebellium | I don't see "Clear Stereo" on the A10 and "Clear Audio +" is different |
| 23:35:22 | pamaury | Ok, I'm disassembling the drivers and it's not clear this Clear Stereo thing is even implemented, it's no-op |
| 23:35:52 | lebellium | Clear Stereo is a common feature on Sony but maybe it was just disabled on the A10 because they noticed it's useless :P |
| 23:35:54 | _Bilgus | lol I bet someone somewhere swears it makes a difference :p |
| 23:36:01 | pamaury | also bass and treble don't seem to be (afaict) easy to change from the API. One needs to turn the codec off and on for the value change to take effect I think |
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| 23:36:31 | lebellium | about bass and treble, it's strange that there is no setting in the Sony Test mode compared to other players like E580 |
| 23:36:57 | pamaury | _Bilgus: even if it's not implemented, it's changes a boolean a memory, some audiophile is bound to hear this difference. I'm sure a boolean set to true can increase the SNR of the headphone |
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| 23:39:09 | lebellium | there are some audio differences between the E580 and A10. I don't know for the A10 if you pay more for better sound but at least you pay more for something different :D |
| 23:40:23 | lebellium | pamaury: oh, the E580 also has "Clear Stereo" like the E360 |
| 23:40:27 | lebellium | but the A10 doesn't |
| 23:41:24 | lebellium | but the A20 does! |
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| 23:42:05 | lebellium | that doesn't make any sense |
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| 23:43:08 | lebellium | there are more sound settings difference between A10 and A20 than I thought... |
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