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| 13:05:09 | Natanelion | I heard there is a way to load firmware from sd card in newer versions, is that right? |
| 13:05:43 | Natanelion | I have a clip zip and I suspect it's internal storage is worn-out... |
| 13:06:13 | Natanelion | and that it may fail and I dont wanna mess with that... |
| 13:08:13 | Natanelion | and also- is that possible for creative zen? |
| 13:11:50 | johnb3 | Natanelion: See http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=51844.new;topicseen#new for the zip. |
| 13:11:52 | pamaury | Natanelion: we have some experimental patches for that yes on the clip+. You should ask Bilgus. |
| 13:12:40 | pamaury | It's not enabled on the Zen yet |
| 13:16:08 | Natanelion | is it possible to do all this without connecting usb? |
| 13:16:23 | Natanelion | by transferring files to sd or something? |
| 13:17:40 | johnb3 | If you have RB installed, you can place the bootloader file on the SDcard (with a card reader), and copy it over to the internal memory. Then you have to boot into the original firmware to install. |
| 13:18:48 | Natanelion | I dont have access to original firmware |
| 13:19:25 | Natanelion | when I try booting it, it just freezes on green screen |
| 13:20:29 | johnb3 | What is your limitation regarding USB? |
| 13:21:00 | Natanelion | also the last time I tried, I had problems making big partitions (larger then the size of minimal RB install) so I have only installed the minimal RB (I think a big part of internal memory is write- protected or something |
| 13:23:33 | Natanelion | oh nvm I can connect usb |
| 13:25:06 | johnb3 | Bilgus found a way to write the bootloader directly to the flash while in a special recovery mode. I have not succeeded on my read-only clip+, but maybe yours is in a better state. Wait for Bilgus to join vor instructions. Do you have access to Linux PC (or live disc)? |
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| 13:25:27 | johnb3 | *for instructions |
| 13:25:58 | Natanelion | johnb3: I'm just afraid to change anything in the internal storage |
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| 13:28:34 | Natanelion | so my main limitation is I cant enter into the original firmware |
| 13:28:52 | johnb3 | Well, if you want to boot RB from an SD installation, you need to update the bootloader. However, you can always put a copy of RB on the SDcard, got ther and launch RB from there. |
| 13:31:14 | Natanelion | ... and to update the bootloader I have to run original firmware? |
| 13:31:29 | Natanelion | and I think I have access to a linux stick |
| 13:31:51 | johnb3 | Or use the direct write approach by Bilgus. |
| 13:32:16 | Natanelion | where can I find instructions? |
| 13:32:32 | Natanelion | the link you gave me asks me to launch original firmware |
| 13:33:22 | pamaury | johnb3: isn't the direct write what is documented there: https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick ? |
| 13:33:51 | johnb3 | It was a conversation on IRC during the last week or so, you can browse the logs or wait for Bilgus. |
| 13:34:34 | Natanelion | yeah I *could* browse a week worth of logs... |
| 13:35:17 | johnb3 | pamaury :Basically yes, but you need an image to write to it. Bilgus has a special RB FW that exposes the flash area without disassembling the physical device. |
| 13:36:13 | Natanelion | can this be launched from sd and then used to install the new bootloader (patch)? |
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| 13:36:35 | johnb3 | Bilgus' files are here: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pyydmx9m5zi1d/Recovery_Images but for the instructions either read the logs or better wait for him to join IRC. |
| 13:36:51 | pamaury | johnb3: ah yes |
| 13:37:25 | johnb3 | Natanelion: yes you can launch it from sd, but then you have to write the image. |
| 13:39:08 | johnb3 | see also g#1692 ... |
| 13:39:12 | fs-bluebot_ | Gerrit review #1692 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1692 : EXPOSE Original Firmware Area clip+, clipzip - NEVER COMMIT by William Wilgus |
| 13:42:34 | pamaury | Natanelion: re Zen, what I could do is change the code so that if the internal storage is not formatted as FAT, it switches to the SD card automatically. I guess that's what you want so that you can use the internal storage with the OF and SD with OF and RB? |
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| 14:01:42 | Natanelion | pamaury: johnb3: any of you have an idea about when can I expect Bilgus to log in? I dont think that mentioning me is the first thing he would do when he will enter the channel... |
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| 14:04:01 | Bilgus_Ph | Natanelion when you type my name it dings |
| 14:04:06 | Natanelion | and about zen, I want to be future proof for this kind of situation, where flash memory corrupts and then I wont know... |
| 14:04:20 | Natanelion | Bilgus_Ph: oh cool |
| 14:04:47 | Natanelion | so can you tell me what to do to auto boot rockbox from sd? |
| 14:04:57 | Bilgus_Ph | If you don't have access to the OF then you can write directly to the drive |
| 14:05:00 | Natanelion | dont have access to OF |
| 14:05:07 | Natanelion | how? |
| 14:05:29 | Bilgus_Ph | if you don't have access to Linux I have images for windows but it'll take a while |
| 14:05:52 | Natanelion | I do have access to linux |
| 14:05:58 | Bilgus_Ph | even better |
| 14:06:02 | Natanelion | raspberri pi is good? |
| 14:06:02 | Bilgus_Ph | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,52014.0.html |
| 14:06:13 | Bilgus_Ph | as long as it has dd then yes |
| 14:06:19 | Natanelion | dd? |
| 14:06:57 | Bilgus_Ph | type dd −−help at the command prompt |
| 14:09:11 | Bilgus_Ph | so you will go to that forum post and grab a few files from the mediafire folder in the clipzip folder grab one of the recovery images |
| 14:09:16 | Bilgus_Ph | http://www.mediafire.com/file/cijca8e2guodln9/ClipZIP_rockbox_RECOVERY%282%29.sansa |
| 14:09:54 | Bilgus_Ph | then go to the linux folder and grab http://www.mediafire.com/file/yibi1m6s589rq4j/clipzip4GB_RECOVERY_image32.bin |
| 14:11:43 | Bilgus_Ph | so what you will do is put the clipziprecovery.sansa file on a sdcard, run rockbox like normal go to the file browser (long press on the filebrowser and 'show all files') then enter the filebrowser and run the new sansa file |
| 14:12:49 | Bilgus_Ph | once that boots you will then connect the USB and first pull off your old install |
| 14:13:31 | Bilgus_Ph | you'll have to wait a minute or two before it connects it should give a warning on the device screen 'Warning Recovery Mode' |
| 14:14:05 | Bilgus_Ph | then at command prompt type 'fdisk -l' it'll return with sdX is not a valid partition |
| 14:14:39 | Bilgus_Ph | we need that id so it'll be sdb sdc sde sdf sdg sdh which ever |
| 14:15:09 | Bilgus_Ph | next you will type 'dd if=/dev/sde of=clipziporig_image.bin bs=512 count=$((0xF000))' |
| 14:15:24 | Bilgus_Ph | and wait for that to complete |
| 14:15:31 | Bilgus_Ph | if you get errors stop there |
| 14:16:07 | Natanelion | wait a moment |
| 14:16:15 | Natanelion | the 2 files are enough? |
| 14:16:38 | Natanelion | or do I need to download anything else |
| 14:16:44 | Bilgus_Ph | finally you will push the new image back dd of=/dev/sdX of=<name of file you downloaded.img> |
| 14:16:59 | Bilgus_Ph | for the moment the two files are enough |
| 14:17:20 | Bilgus_Ph | you will have to set up the sdcard next for booting from sdcard |
| 14:18:09 | Bilgus_Ph | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51844.0.html |
| 14:18:50 | Bilgus_Ph | http://www.mediafire.com/file/a6ndfooqpdopo2o/MultiBoot_FW_ClipZip_5-22-17_rockbox-full.zip |
| 14:20:06 | Bilgus_Ph | that file you will unzip to the sdcard and you will create a file called rockbox_main.clipzip and open it and place in it a single '/' no quotes no enter no space just / |
| 14:21:20 | Natanelion | >once that boots you will then connect the USB and first pull off your old install |
| 14:21:27 | Natanelion | I dont think it boots |
| 14:21:48 | Bilgus_Ph | also Natanelion when you first boot the recovery firmware it'll come up with an init message that has to disappear before you plug the usb |
| 14:22:27 | Bilgus_Ph | like the device doesn't boot at all? |
| 14:22:33 | Natanelion | yes |
| 14:22:59 | Natanelion | again, trying to boot of just brigs up green screen |
| 14:23:06 | Natanelion | oh wait |
| 14:23:12 | Natanelion | it booted like normal |
| 14:23:35 | Bilgus_Ph | good hopefully it still has a few times left before its kaput |
| 14:24:11 | Bilgus_Ph | make sure when you run the recovery firmware you wait for the message to disappear before you plug the usb |
| 14:24:15 | Natanelion | after running the .sansa file, it boots automatically into rockbox |
| 14:24:18 | Natanelion | with a feew |
| 14:24:23 | Natanelion | messeges |
| 14:24:28 | Natanelion | were too fast to read |
| 14:25:34 | Bilgus_Ph | good if you are at the file menu you are ready to plug the USB |
| 14:26:10 | Bilgus_Ph | once yopu plug usb wait for message 'warning recovery mode' |
| 14:34:34 | Natanelion | yeah I got this messege |
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| 14:34:49 | Natanelion | sorry for long wait, my setup is pretty stupid |
| 14:35:04 | Bilgus_Ph | nbd all the info is above |
| 14:36:00 | Natanelion | when I entered "fdisk -l", it gave me lots of "cannot open ..." |
| 14:36:47 | Bilgus_Ph | looking for doesn't contain a valid partition |
| 14:37:01 | Bilgus_Ph | probably sdb or sdc |
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| 14:37:50 | Bilgus_Ph | if you don't see that wait a few moments and try again |
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| 14:38:59 | Natanelion | OK I ran it with sudo and now it shows me a huge wall of text |
| 14:42:30 | Natanelion | I dont see any "doesn't contain a valid partition" |
| 14:42:56 | Bilgus_Ph | sometimes it takes a few minutes before it shows up |
| 14:43:18 | Natanelion | and I dont see any adb or adc either... |
| 14:43:33 | Bilgus_Ph | it'll be sda sdb sdc sdd sdf |
| 14:44:20 | Natanelion | very wierd... when I did it b4, it did work... tho that was on x86 computer... |
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| 14:48:56 | natanelion | https://pastebin.com/BVUpNBn3 |
| 14:49:04 | natanelion | if you care, please take a look |
| 14:49:30 | natanelion | and it didnt change when I did it again a few times |
| 14:49:56 | Bilgus_Ph | it'll be something like Disk /dev/sdb: 3966MB, 40006184 bytes |
| 14:51:08 | Bilgus_Ph | hmm yeah it's not there lots of block devices though |
| 14:51:27 | Bilgus_Ph | something to do with the pi I think |
| 14:52:20 | natanelion | IDK what went wrong... I only have the clip zip connected |
| 14:53:36 | Bilgus_Ph | ok well I'm not home atm I have a pi and a clipzip at the house so for the moment go ahead and disconnect the device and plug it into a charger don't shut it down and i'll get back to you in an hour |
| 14:54:26 | natanelion | can I just disconnect it? or something special b4 disconnecting... |
| 14:54:37 | Bilgus_Ph | nope just disconnect it |
| 14:54:56 | Bilgus_Ph | bbiab |
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| 14:55:12 | natanelion | and I can try to run cubuntu from a usb stick on an x86 machine if that matters... |
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| 16:18:20 | Bilgus | natanelion, sure |
| 16:26:30 | Bilgus | on my raspi I get dev/sda and dev/sdc/ not sure why yours shows block devices |
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| 16:33:14 | Bilgus | natanelion, if you are still on the pi type lsblk and make note of what shows up and then plug the device back in waiting till the warning message comes up and type lsusb and see if a sansa |
| 16:33:23 | Bilgus | device shows up |
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| 16:33:42 | Bilgus | finally type lsblk and make note of what changed |
| 16:39:10 | natanelion | SanDisk Corp. is what I see after "lsusb" in one of the lines |
| 16:41:23 | natanelion | and the difference is both sdb and sda |
| 16:41:40 | natanelion | both show up after I connect the usb |
| 16:42:30 | natanelion | (one with 4GB which prob. is internal storage and one with 2GB which is prob. the sd card) |
| 16:42:33 | Bilgus | ah you probably still have the sdcard in the device |
| 16:42:49 | Bilgus | take the sd card out and see if sdb disappears |
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| 16:44:18 | natanelionRPi | take out the sd while still connected to USB? |
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| 16:45:16 | Bilgus | yep |
| 16:46:44 | natanelionRPi | yeah sdb disapeared |
| 16:47:20 | natanelionRPi | now what |
| 16:49:44 | Bilgus | now type dd if=/dev/sda of=clipzipdump.bin bs=512 count=$((0xF000)) |
| 16:49:48 | natanelionRPi | btw partition table on the zip is fine, I just want to do it to be future proof... part of the inner storage is already read-only, I wanna do it before everything becomes read only.;.. |
| 16:50:12 | Bilgus | it might already be we will find out shortly |
| 16:50:45 | Bilgus | once that completes type head -C -n5000 clipzipdump.bin |
| 16:50:56 | Bilgus | sorry not head hexdump |
| 16:51:12 | Bilgus | hexdump -C -n5000 clipzipdump.bin |
| 16:51:44 | Bilgus | look through the output for AS3525... develop.00000....... |
| 16:52:10 | Bilgus | we want to make sure we have the right device before we go writing to it |
| 16:52:19 | natanelionRPi | it should take some time to run, right? |
| 16:52:36 | natanelionRPi | the dd line I mean |
| 16:55:55 | Bilgus | yeah probably a few minutes |
| 16:56:16 | Bilgus | the pi isn't the fastest thing in the world |
| 16:56:30 | Bilgus | it'll give you a pass/fail message when its done |
| 16:57:56 | Bilgus | is it still running? |
| 16:58:39 | Bilgus | if it is you probably should press [CTRL] c |
| 16:59:09 | Bilgus | then double check what you typed and re run with sudo |
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| 17:00:20 | natanelionRPi | https://pastebin.com/x8fq0w2R |
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| 17:01:38 | Bilgus | not good sign |
| 17:01:48 | natanelionRPi | yeah I know.. |
| 17:01:52 | Bilgus | try it again |
| 17:02:29 | natanelionRPi | the zip has white-screen-ed *panic* |
| 17:03:33 | Bilgus | yeah that means it errored out |
| 17:03:51 | natanelionRPi | Stkov usb pc:3006D150 sp:3 A: 30098594 bt end |
| 17:04:10 | natanelionRPi | so what now?force shut down? |
| 17:04:13 | Bilgus | start over we will try one more time |
| 17:04:22 | Bilgus | yeah disconnect from usb |
| 17:04:31 | Bilgus | hold power button a good 30 seconds |
| 17:04:47 | natanelionRPi | ok done |
| 17:04:53 | natanelionRPi | run again sansa file? |
| 17:04:54 | Bilgus | put sd card back in |
| 17:05:03 | Bilgus | start the recovery firmware again |
| 17:05:12 | Bilgus | and reconnect to the pi |
| 17:05:30 | Bilgus | wait for init message to disappear though |
| 17:05:41 | natanelionRPi | done |
| 17:05:47 | natanelionRPi | remove sd? |
| 17:05:55 | Bilgus | then when warning message comes back up type lsblk again and see if sda is there |
| 17:06:12 | Bilgus | don't pull sd card this time we know its the 2gb device |
| 17:06:51 | natanelionRPi | sda still there |
| 17:07:08 | Bilgus | ok try dd again |
| 17:07:20 | natanelionRPi | ok |
| 17:07:32 | natanelionRPi | what that dd does anyways? |
| 17:07:54 | Bilgus | it reads the bytes from the device |
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| 17:08:53 | natanelionRPi | and btw mom of the commands you told me to run did run without sudo... |
| 17:09:03 | natanelionRPi | ok done |
| 17:09:37 | natanelionRPi | same messege |
| 17:09:42 | Bilgus | now type hexdump -C -n5000 clipzipdump.bin |
| 17:10:20 | Bilgus | oh same message huh well its like this then you still have a semi working device if we continue from here it might be a brick |
| 17:10:42 | natanelionRPi | I ran the hexdump |
| 17:10:54 | natanelionRPi | ok it panicked |
| 17:11:00 | natanelionRPi | again |
| 17:11:14 | Bilgus | what you can do is put a full install on the sdcard and run it from your rockbox install johnb does this with his clip+ |
| 17:11:44 | Bilgus | or we can attempt to continue but chances are it becomes a paperweight although not a very good one |
| 17:12:00 | natanelionRPi | each time manually? |
| 17:12:12 | Bilgus | yep just like how you ran that recovery |
| 17:12:48 | Bilgus | pain in the ass but it works |
| 17:12:56 | natanelionRPi | I mean, I did it before, but whats the point... |
| 17:13:39 | Bilgus | you can get a fuze+ directly from sandisk while they last |
| 17:13:56 | natanelionRPi | is there a list of things that rockbox firmware runs on startup? |
| 17:14:01 | Bilgus | like $30-40 bigger than the clipzip but a decent player |
| 17:14:28 | Bilgus | sure but you can't write to the drive... |
| 17:15:00 | natanelionRPi | yeah I dont really need a big player... I have a smartphone yknow.. I just want a small piece of hardware as a novelty |
| 17:15:39 | natanelionRPi | wait I think I can write to part of the drive... I did it before, after this problem started... |
| 17:16:10 | natanelionRPi | a small part of it is still writeable isnt it... |
| 17:16:22 | Bilgus | doubtful |
| 17:17:15 | Bilgus | what you can try is putting on the latest dev version from the rockbox site and see if it updates |
| 17:17:30 | Bilgus | http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 17:18:00 | Bilgus | if that works I can build you a fw that will run the sdcard on startup but it'll be a day or two before I get to it |
| 17:19:00 | Bilgus | more than likely it'll say the new fw copied to the device but when you goto the system>info screen it'll still be the old version |
| 17:19:48 | Bilgus | when you do it first try renaming the existing .rockbox folder to old.rockbox |
| 17:20:07 | Bilgus | and then copy the new .rockbox folder |
| 17:20:37 | natanelionRPi | ok |
| 17:20:39 | natanelionRPi | last time I messed up rockbox (some very stupid things) and it was uncrecognizeable as a usb device... then I tried manually making a partition table of a small port of internal memory and it did work, only problem was that it was so tiny only minimal rockbox could fit... how I formatted the rest of the memory idk, but it somehow works as read only memory but is recognized as part of the same thing the whole internal storage |
| 17:21:35 | Bilgus | really dd doesn't care and neither does that recovery fw you tried |
| 17:21:55 | Bilgus | its an issue with the device not something you did or could do |
| 17:23:00 | natanelionRPi | yeah I know but I just happen to notice when the problems I did became apearent |
| 17:26:05 | Bilgus | if you want to continue type dd if=/dev/sda of=clipzipdump.bin bs=512 count=$((0xF000)) conv=noerror |
| 17:26:39 | Bilgus | this part won't kill your device but we can see just how much it can pull |
| 17:31:40 | Bilgus | now type sudo hexdump -C -n30720 clipzipdump.bin > clipziphexdump.txt |
| 17:32:12 | Bilgus | and have a look through that file with a text editor for a bunch of 00 00 00 00 00 entries |
| 17:32:39 | Bilgus | or pastebin it and i'll have a look later |
| 17:33:04 | Bilgus | but for now i GTG i'll check back in probably 12 hrs |
| 17:34:28 | Bilgus | do'nt continue any further though |
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| 17:53:53 | natanelion | ok thanks... I copied the files of dev version of rockbox over and now it does show me the new version... |
| 17:56:25 | natanelion | about your suggestion to make a version for me that boots from sd automatically - thanks, I think that is what I want... and I dont really care about how much time it takes as long as I could get a notification somehow (with the forum? mail? whatever..) I appreciate the work you are willing to do... |
| 17:57:26 | natanelion | and dd does say it copied 1.6 mb so... |
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| 18:09:09 | natanelionRPi | https://pastebin.com/GhgczfhQ |
| 18:09:28 | natanelionRPi | thats the pastebin... |
| 18:10:01 | natanelionRPi | and (sorry for late response..) Good Night |
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