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#rockbox log for 2017-11-09

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16:38:38CH23pamaury: i saw the logs regarding clip+ radio chip, and my registry at 00 has 1242 1253 4001 0000
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16:46:46pamauryCH23: ok let me see the datasheet
16:47:00pamaurySi4703C19
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16:47:25pamauryso it supports RD
16:47:26pamauryS
16:47:46CH23sweet
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16:48:11CH23i've 2 working models both with that radio chip then
16:48:46CH23they're v1 clip+, 4gb and 8gb
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16:52:04pamauryCH23: I see, so some clip+ are RDS capable, I guess we could add support for that in mainline, after checking that it works
16:54:03CH23i'll see if i can get it to build
16:54:45pamaurythe problem is that the code in mainline won't do for the clip+
16:55:25pamaurybecause it expects the tuner interrupt line to be wired to the cpu (as in the clip zip), but I suspect it won't be the case on the clip+ (though it would be interesting to try it). It should poll on the clip+
16:55:40pamauryas in http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/371/
16:56:10pamaury(except this patch is not great and should be rewritten)
16:56:36pamauryI think polling should b factorised between drivers, it doesn't make sense to have N copies of that anyway
16:57:14CH23so are you saying that that patch won't work in mainline, or?
16:57:57pamauryCH23: it won't merge I suspect and it's a bit hackish
16:59:19pamauryfirst I would suggest to try the following (just to make sure): in firmware/export/comfig/sansaclippplus.h, add
16:59:19pamaury#define TARGET_EXTRA_THREADS 1 /* RDS thread */
16:59:19pamaury#define HAVE_RDS_CAP
16:59:19DBUGEnqueued KICK pamaury
16:59:19pamaury(see how it's done in sansaclipzip.h)
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17:00:01pamauryit should compile but I don't expect it to work because the interrupt line is not wired, but we should check that to make sure
17:01:52CH23i'll try
17:02:03pamauryI think my clip+ has a RDA radio, I don't know if those support RDS, at least our driver don't support it for sure
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17:14:58CH23should i remove the # in front or is that not how it works?
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17:29:58pmstrategieHello. May I ask a question regarding WM1Z cap removal?
17:31:18CH23pamaury: do i need to rebuild bootloader as well?
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17:57:38RufusAI had a play with the A10 rockbox nightly build and FM radio is a nice addition - thanks @pamaury appreciated as ever.
17:58:20RufusAI also tried generating an English.voice file for the A10 using the Rockbox Utility file generated okay but...
17:58:58CH23pamaury: now the registry shows: 1242 1253 4001 0048
17:59:07RufusAon attempting to boot the player get a Segmentation fault at 0001b884 address 0x00000000
17:59:38CH23RufusA: does this happen on every boot?
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18:00:08RufusAYup every boot where a voice file is present, removing the voice file, and it boots fine.
18:00:42RufusAIt may of course be that I mangled the .voice file creation somehow
18:00:51CH23i think i had a similar issue, i think it worked after recreating the voice file
18:01:36RufusAInteresting, in which case I might play around and see if I can create a valid one!
18:05:45CH23pamaury: ping me when you're here after 40 minutes please
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19:05:10pamauryCH23: I'm here
19:06:23CH23cool, me too
19:06:55pamauryCH23: you are familiar with gerrit? I can put a patch for you to try
19:06:55CH23so i've build it with the settings changed, it shows 3 extra lines in the debug radio thing
19:07:22CH23yeah, i am, please do
19:07:24pamauryCH23: and do you see some RDS data?
19:08:02CH23not sure what it should look like
19:09:15pamauryCH23: turn on the radio, seek to a station that should have RDS, then go to debug screen, there is a line PS: ' ', does it display some text there?
19:11:24pamauryok give me 5/10 min for a patch
19:13:42CH23it shows the following: PI:0000 | PS:' ' | RT: | CT:1970-01-01 00:00
19:14:41pamauryok so not working
19:15:17CH23i'll try the other player as well, this one had some weird possible damage
19:20:28pamauryCH23: going to have dinner, I'll finish my patch after that
19:21:38CH23thanks, it's not working on the other one either
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20:28:08pamauryjhMikeS: I would like to extend CONFIG_RDS and I am interested in your opinion. Specifically I would like to add two more options:
20:28:08pamauryRDS_CFG_POLL: this would add for example si4700_rds_poll() which would poll the RDS ready bit and call rds_process() with the data if ready. This is necessary because otherwise fmradio-i2c has to know the details about about RDS is polled which seems like a bad idea
20:28:08pamauryRDS_CFG_THREAD: this would provide a way to implement the rds threads in rds.c instead of having multiple copies of essentially the same code everywhere. Instead rds.c would have a thread a call a function implemented in fmradio-i2c.c typically
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21:00:37pamauryCH23: can you try g#1727
21:00:40fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #1727 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1727 : 3Introduce support for RDS polling. Enable RDS on the clip+. (WIP) by Amaury Pouly
21:00:48pamauryIt compiles but is untested
21:00:59pamauryI will start looking at the RDA tuner on my clip+
21:02:33CH23do i need to have the modified sansaclipplus.h?
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21:04:47CH23pamaury ping
21:06:28pamauryCH23: you need everything
21:06:44CH23oh that's in the patch?
21:07:03CH23sorry i'm dumb
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21:25:05CH23it works!
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21:28:12pamaurycool :)
21:28:37pamauryjhMikeS: I changed my mind a little bit, g#1727 gives an example of what RDS_CFG_POLL would do
21:28:38fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #1727 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1727 : 3Introduce support for RDS polling. Enable RDS on the clip+. (WIP) by Amaury Pouly
21:30:06CH23hold on, my 2nd clip seems to crash but it might be because i only replaced the rockbox.sansa file. testing now by full replacement of .rockbox directory
21:36:40CH23both my clips are wonky(not related but still impacting this testing); it works on this one as well
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21:39:38CH23PI:83C8 | PS:'Qmusic ' | RT:Qmusic | CT:1970-01-01 00:00
21:39:51CH23qmusic is a dutch radio station
21:40:14CH23i'll try to find a time signal
21:42:21CH23time just updated
21:43:08CH23so that means it's completely functional
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22:10:58[Saint]How married are we to the Rockbox logo and colour scheme?
22:15:38pamaurythey could use some refreshing
22:16:41[Saint]That's what I'm thinking, but I'm getting ahead of myself.
22:17:36pamauryI mean the whole website could benefit from some retheming and improvements
22:18:01[Saint]pamaury: can I ask you, what, if anything, was a standout feature in a theme that you thought "Holy shit, that's nice" or what, if anything, do you think that the current default theme is missing and _absolutely_ requires?
22:18:12[Saint]everyone else in the channel, same question ^
22:19:39pamaury[Saint]: readability is a must, there is plenty of information online on how to choose a good color palette (including some that work for color blind people, just saying)
22:22:00[Saint]One thing I'm struggling with is what to do with the UI in the case where there isn't any album art.
22:22:00[Saint]Album art is a pretty big part of any given theme, and it being missing leaves a rather large hole in the usable space.
22:22:00[Saint]Should I just use a fallback image to indicate that the album art is missing and has defaulted to a generic image, or should I shift the metadata to use the free space left by the missing album art and possible display more/more relevant metadata?
22:22:36[Saint]On the one hand, ...more metadata.
22:22:36[Saint]On the other hand, UI's moving elements is unexpected and not necessarily a nice thing to do.
22:24:00pamaury[Saint]: I would vote fallback image (like a music note), I agree with you that UI that change every song doesn't sound too good
22:25:06[Saint]If nothing else it certainly makes the code a lot easier. For the larger screens it's not too much of an issue, for the smaller screens I can't help but think that squeezing in some more metadata into that space would be a good idea.
22:25:29[Saint]I'm conflicted. I don't want it to have different behavior, but I don't want to waste space either.
22:26:33pamaurymayeb ask other people, I usually don't care about themes so I'm the wrong person ;)
22:27:55[Saint]Eh, at the end of the day, you're still a user, and I value your opinion.
22:28:17[Saint]Generally speaking I find the best input comes from people who aren't terribly personally affected by a given change.
22:28:28[Saint]Kinda...objective/un-biased.
22:29:15pamaurysure, I mean to be honest I don't care about album art at all, I always found it useless, but metadata as well. Either I know what I play and I don't need, or play at random and I don't need either.
22:30:48pamaurythe only thing that I care about is possiby where I am in the song and how long it is.
22:38:15CH23maximalist: albumart, track title, track number, track length, bit rate, bit depth, frequency range, album title, artist, genre, year
22:39:22CH23minimalist: track title, track length, album title, artist
22:42:19CH23can't say much regarding colours, i've never used rockbox on anything but my current clip+; but I use the 'balanced' theme, it has: battery life, volume, track length, total number of tracks, time, artist, track name.
22:43:27CH23on larger screens having album art is very nice, on smaller ones i think it takes away from usability
22:43:56CH23but there's dyslectic people out there, for whom albumart might help a lot
22:49:40[Saint]Ok, status bar ordering...
22:49:49[Saint]volume|battery|time?
22:49:55[Saint]battery|volume|time?
22:49:57[Saint]other?
22:50:26CH23volume | time | battery
22:51:23CH23actually i based that on something i just realised isn't really a standard. what do most smart phones use?
22:51:31[Saint]for some context into how this is going to look, all of those values are going to be left or right justified.
22:51:40[Saint](depending on the language set)
22:52:01CH23oh. why not 'full width' spread?
22:52:35[Saint]there's an icon (used in touchscreen variant to return to main menu), and a window title to go in there too.
22:53:04[Saint]icon and heading are left justified in LTR languages.
22:53:14CH23why use a window title?
22:53:37CH23on what targets does rockbox run as just an add on?
22:55:04[Saint]I can't name them all offhand, but there's a few targets where we don't run as an operating system, but instead run as an application hosted within that operating system.
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22:55:16[Saint]YP-R* is one I'm aware of immediately.
22:55:41[Saint]IIRC, you could grep the target configs for DEFINE_HOSTED
22:56:16[Saint]or perhaps PLATFORM_HOSTED, I forget.
22:57:45CH23i was just thinking; why have a window title, people know they're in rockbox
22:58:22[Saint]Yeah, you're kinda forgetting that there's about 30 different distinct screen states people can be in.
22:58:34[Saint]Settings, Recording, Now Playing, Addons, ...
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23:08:34CH23i don't know how this is usually displayed on larger screens. i think the clip+ has one of the smallest screens of the targets?
23:15:06[Saint]It isn't, and it does.
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23:27:49jhMikeSpamaury: one target already does polling
23:32:00pamauryjhMikeS: I know the samsungypr0 does it, but it's ugly
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23:32:29pamaurybecause it relies on the code in fmradio-i2c to know how rds works for that particular tuner, leading to duplicate definitions (like STATUSRSSI and RDSR)
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23:36:00pamauryI simply suggest to factor the code (because I want to add RDS support for the clip+, which also requires polling)
23:37:51jhMikeSpamaury: I just noticed the patch. You sort of moved the YPR code into the driver.
23:38:23pamaurybasically yes
23:38:57pamaurywe needs to check if the rds data has already been processed or not, this check is best done in the driver
23:39:46pamauryCH23: I have tried different things but the RDA5802 in my clip+ does not seem to support RDS, although that does not rule out some other variant of the clip+ that support it, like some have si4703 instead of si4702
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23:43:33CH23pamaury: sorry to hear. i do think though that the pcb for v1 and v2 is the same?
23:44:46pamauryI don't know but the PCB does not matter, it's the tuner chip that matters for RDS
23:45:56CH23oh i thought you meant that another clip+ with the RDA5802 might work
23:46:07CH23yeah i get you now
23:49:01pamauryCH23: there are two versions of the RDA5802, one with RDS and one without
23:49:12pamaury(RDA5802E vs RDA5802N)
23:49:18CH23oh
23:49:32pamauryso some clip+ with rda5802 may actually support it in theory
23:49:41CH23i bet E means Europe, and N north america
23:52:49pamauryI am not sure, RDA seems to use random suffix for its product, like E, N, F, P, M. And the N version came out a year or two after the E version based on the datasheet dates
23:54:06pamauryand there are other difference, like the N versions can send the audio data in digitial form to the SoC over i2s

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